Given the fact Caedral didnt have any numbers, his takes aren't all that bad. Who could've guessed her E roots for 2.25 seconds and Q has 800 range without any real travel time lmao
Honestly, I think he's right about e being pretty weak, it's gonna be really hard to hit cause you can't recast it, and for that same reason it can't be used defensively on any level. The closest comparison is anivia q, which is already quite meh and hard to hit and that can be recasted and you can knock people into it with your wall.
Ok? That’s fine. I mean, a very long root with slow and a projectile reflect ability. It’s not as if she doesn’t deal damage, so if she gets some of kills what’s the issue?
Ksing on support isnt that bad of a thing. You ks anyone who would live anyway. On good engages you dont since you have an almost morg root. So hard disagree with that. + Below masters ksing as supp is even better.
hmmm im still not sold on bloodletter's curse - im not sure if i'd want to buy an item that only procs the MR shred AFTER my damage combo, when it's similarly priced to any of the other items with either more pen and AP or equal stats and ability haste
@@sentro5382I mean nemesis said in the video, that he doesn’t see this champ as burst and more thriving in sustained fights, akin to kalista. Or he discussed an example build like blackfire syndra. It also has tank stats to further his point of building relatively tanky (Liandries, Cosmic etc….) hitting a Q (a 3sec cd ability) is enough to amp your damage for the rest of the fight and give you bulk stats so you survive longer if you are hit. You become obnoxious to deal with from a distance and more annoying than what you would normally be up close. You put the opponent in a situation where they have to kill you fast (which they won’t due a tanky-ish build) but can’t if you position correctly.
@@sentro5382 yea I'm not sold on it either tbh, feels weird to force into a build as there are magic pen items that are better. Unless your team is AP heavy I don't see a need to shred Mr over penetration, and in that instance, because of her Q, perhaps she'd be one of the better champs for the BLcurse.
I played her today... the champ is an insane lane bully, the r is an insta kill switch mid game. And the w and e are so busted, it doesent matter how much u crush her in lane she will come back mid to late game and run over the game due to her passive
Imagine you play Nami and Renata and your ult is just on higher cooldown than her w.... Basically you give one ult of your team to the enemy for the whole game
Or you just… don’t throw abilities at the champ that reflects abilities every 30 seconds? She can only press it once in a fight. The skill expression comes into how and when it is used, and the counterplay is the same.
@andrew_h6 how are you going to use your ult when both teams group? She can flash in front of it any time she wants as well. You act like you can decide which champ exactly to Renata ult. When someone wants to tank it he can. Also even if Renata and Nami hit your team, Mel can just w it and hit your team as well. So the best case for you is both teams get ulted.
@ Just don’t press your ultimate key until you see Mel press W. You already have to do this with Samira and Yasuo, since they already completely delete Nami and Renata ults.
Honestly she seems like a tame champion design compared to what we got before. The only thing that i see being very annoying is the w , a normal spell should not be able to reflect a champions ultimate , yeah the damage is nerfed but thats not the problem, the problem is that it can reflect big aoe ccs like renata or maokai. This champion basically makes renata r useless in teamfights. This is not okay. Like imagine being renata waiting 120s for your big impact ultimate and mel just reflects it with a basic abiliry with 30s cooldown
Well there's still playarounds to it. You can maybe try focusing her down so that she uses W for survivability. But yeah it's still kinda broken since you have to wait until that W is out of the equation and you might just miss alot of ult angles during that
i'd like to see, how fast she can stack conquerer and the new bloodletter item with her q, e and autohit passive. since her dmg is so backloaded with execute and ult. also, would shadowflame crit passive be calculated into the execute threshhold or not?
Does her passive not have a time limit? In theory it can stack throughout the entire game until that person is executed right? Or am I missing something
I see a 110 mana Q ability. Get ready to not play the game if you don’t have lost chapter + double mana runes + blue buff. The champ looks cool tho, can’t wait to try it.
It's a cool champion but i saw zapzap using e nuking waves and rooting the enemy laner non stop it's a non interaction champion. That seems insanely strong. But on the other hand it was a kata so for a melee champion that seems unplayable since sylas for example has one projectile on a long enough cd that she either has e up or w up. But i don't think that's easy to play into other control mages or set up mages. Like you can't reflect a lissandra R.
Sadly Nemesis didnt spot the most op part of Mel. At 23:29, she executes the baron from almost 3k HP by just hitting one or more enemy champions with an ability. So if the enemy team is doing nash, all you have to do is hit an enemy champion and baron with an ability and you can 100% steal the nash. This is ridiculous and will be nerfed.
but that was when they getted baron, not enemies, so she is stacked up very much, her default combo for one time will deal way less damage than needed to kill baron you need multiple rotations
@@kamon9339 sadly you are the one that doesn't understand this situation. Mel's team is doing baron. So she was getting an insane amount of stacks on him. Just one combo will do absolutely nothing to baron
@@kamon9339 It'll feel like Kalista I imagine, after they nerfed her stealing with rend. They're not gonna let that happen again. You'll need to stack a TON of Overwhelm to deal any real damage.
Yeah, actually, yes that makes sense. Any longer reflecting and the game will break. She already counters multiple mages, and has insane range. Yasuo is melee and has limited movement options. I'd you play yas a few times, you'll see his weaknesses pretty clearly.
they 100% need to remove the minion and monster execute. It's so disgustingly broken that the champ will just be an auto smite for your team if you start objectives.
@@Tomardes Kalista you at least have to calculate the damage yourself and have a good estimation of how much damage you do, coming from playing Kalista. Mel passive quite literally just auto smites.
Doesn't seem too bad, the numbers are worse than Kalista's "additional stack" numbers; 3(+0.25%)AP per additional compared to Kalista's 24 (+45% AD) (+ 20% AP). She'll need to stack A TON for the monster execute to matter. Even with Kalista's "half damage vs epics" on rend she still hits them way harder. They already nerfed Kalista's ability to Rend Epics, they will account for it in advance here.
W reflect can be used as a negating ability in lane, instead of using it as an aggressive spell you can just stand on top of the wave so an ahri can't Q the minions and get prio
this champ has piss scalings and will die to any bruiser with a gapclose, they dont rely on landing one key cc ability they can just engage perma and she cant play, every toplane gapclose has shorter cd than her reflect so they get mercs and then gg she gets killed off cooldown. at BEST mel top will be annoying against champs with 0 mobility but those are few and far between
@mk11211 her root is low cd and high cc and easy to hit. Her reflect is not the important spell early anyway. That is not what her kit is about early. And shit scaling is fixed with high health because ap items are strong for long fights like rift and liandry. She just burns and tanks and CCs everyone. Top is not only about splitting. Or 1v1. Early it is, but mid and lategam, this champs becomes a monster in teamfights. You'll see.
@@axlvanaudenhove6564 there's no reason you would play her top when she becomes the same teamfighter in mid but has a much better lane and doesn't get stomped by every matchup. she has the same weaknesses top as any immobile mage and she is never getting played into irelia/jax/camille or any tank that will permatank her after one item and spam ping jungle. she also doesnt cc everyone, she can cc one person realistically but 1v2 or if they have mercs she gets 100-0d before the root is up again. she has 0 mobility, 0 sustain, and having one root and being ranged doesn't make a champ viable toplane except as a 4fun pick. 0 sustain, 0 mobility, 0%health damage or true damage/pen for tanks, all she can hope to do in that lane is waveclear and back off if she didn't already get molested but her ratios look bad enough that she's not insta waveclearing, especially if she's behind. i honestly think you just don't play this game enough to see why it's terrible. it might be an s tier pick into mages mid but into bruiser top the kit won't allow you to play
non-support becoming support has got to be the most miserable category. Hwei and Seraphine. Heck, even Brand and Velkoz simply because they can poke hard
i would prefer if this champ was a assasin like akali or LeBlanc and kept only the w it dosent feel special as it is e q are reprinted spells from other mages they just gave ger w as strong skill it does not connect well with her at least in my opinion All in all counter champ but a boring one
i uninstalled that game like 2 weeks ago , riot keep releasing garbage op unskilled champs .. this game is just another pokemon nowdays ,combined ofc with gatch system like wtf..
There are a few PBE games on youtube already and she is looking disgustingly broken. Q range is insane, E slow/stun is insane, the reflect is good enough to be her ult but they just slapped it on W and gave her a no skillshot, free damage R on any champs that are marked by her passive. Ult isn't even point and click. It's press R and AEO detonate the team. Oh btw all of her damaging abilities have built in elder execute buff, including her ult. Balance team truly cooked with this one
that feels like a silver take she looks to be kinda useless in low elo and playable master+ she is like a neeko but with a reflect and no engage and worse mobility she feels kinda alright definitly not broken most pbe games are insanely out of perspective
@@eebbaa5560 people complain about the same 5 new champs because they are disgusting to play against, Mel will be their new poster girl so she will also make the list
You're out of your mind. Which midlaner has a utility burst without damage? It makes no sense for her W to be her R instead. Zoe may come to mind but she essentially has her R only to make her only source of damage hit (Q). PBE gameplay means nothing, these are high elo players being matched with midlaners who may have peaked gold.
Why would they give her an angry chimpanzee expression on her face? She is much kinder and gentle looking in the show! Even when she gets angry she still looks good in Arcane... I wonder who was in charge of her model.
Given the fact Caedral didnt have any numbers, his takes aren't all that bad. Who could've guessed her E roots for 2.25 seconds and Q has 800 range without any real travel time lmao
Honestly, I think he's right about e being pretty weak, it's gonna be really hard to hit cause you can't recast it, and for that same reason it can't be used defensively on any level. The closest comparison is anivia q, which is already quite meh and hard to hit and that can be recasted and you can knock people into it with your wall.
yeah but you gotta count her W as a CC ability as well, u aint picking her into 0 CC projectiles anyways
Q is 1000 range
Her execute on passive pretty much dooms her ability to play support, unless you want to be a killstealing support.
Ok? That’s fine. I mean, a very long root with slow and a projectile reflect ability.
It’s not as if she doesn’t deal damage, so if she gets some of kills what’s the issue?
Ksing on support isnt that bad of a thing. You ks anyone who would live anyway. On good engages you dont since you have an almost morg root. So hard disagree with that. + Below masters ksing as supp is even better.
But I think she can be a strong APC
That's how AP Supports are played
Mage supports are supposed to get the kills botlane so they can be ahead and carry the Adc to a free late game
23:28 Executing baron at 2811 hp, ah yeah fair
just saw that, what the fk, how are junglers meant to play against this POS 2000 year champion
Also lvl6 full combo 3k dmg with no items💀
The Q damage looks like it will instantly stack that new AP black cleaver so it'll shred MR really fast
.3cd per damage instance
hmmm im still not sold on bloodletter's curse - im not sure if i'd want to buy an item that only procs the MR shred AFTER my damage combo, when it's similarly priced to any of the other items with either more pen and AP or equal stats and ability haste
@@sentro5382I mean nemesis said in the video, that he doesn’t see this champ as burst and more thriving in sustained fights, akin to kalista. Or he discussed an example build like blackfire syndra. It also has tank stats to further his point of building relatively tanky (Liandries, Cosmic etc….) hitting a Q (a 3sec cd ability) is enough to amp your damage for the rest of the fight and give you bulk stats so you survive longer if you are hit.
You become obnoxious to deal with from a distance and more annoying than what you would normally be up close. You put the opponent in a situation where they have to kill you fast (which they won’t due a tanky-ish build) but can’t if you position correctly.
@@sentro5382 yea I'm not sold on it either tbh, feels weird to force into a build as there are magic pen items that are better. Unless your team is AP heavy I don't see a need to shred Mr over penetration, and in that instance, because of her Q, perhaps she'd be one of the better champs for the BLcurse.
@@sentro5382 so farm I cant only see it on morde who fights forever
Morgana gets power creeped
True she's just better morg
Morgana and shaco are the 2 literal worst champs ingame rn. Everything is better than Morgana mel isnt special here
Nah, Mel doesn't take damage, but she still takes CC, even if she uses W a Rell can still engage her hard
that root duration on an AOE root is absurd!
Its a similar mechanic to Annie shield that reflects some damage but Mel's is just so much better obviously.
It's a bit too unique to compare it to her shield. There... isn't much we can compare it to
Closer to a counter from smash bros
@@alwaysabiggafish3305 Zelda neutral B
I think Annie's shield no longer deals damage to anyone who hits it.
I played her today... the champ is an insane lane bully, the r is an insta kill switch mid game. And the w and e are so busted, it doesent matter how much u crush her in lane she will come back mid to late game and run over the game due to her passive
Can't wait for mel to one shot caitlyn with a headshot reflect
Imagine you play Nami and Renata and your ult is just on higher cooldown than her w.... Basically you give one ult of your team to the enemy for the whole game
Or you just… don’t throw abilities at the champ that reflects abilities every 30 seconds? She can only press it once in a fight. The skill expression comes into how and when it is used, and the counterplay is the same.
@andrew_h6 how are you going to use your ult when both teams group? She can flash in front of it any time she wants as well. You act like you can decide which champ exactly to Renata ult. When someone wants to tank it he can. Also even if Renata and Nami hit your team, Mel can just w it and hit your team as well. So the best case for you is both teams get ulted.
@ Just don’t press your ultimate key until you see Mel press W. You already have to do this with Samira and Yasuo, since they already completely delete Nami and Renata ults.
Basically apc pro max
Honestly she seems like a tame champion design compared to what we got before. The only thing that i see being very annoying is the w , a normal spell should not be able to reflect a champions ultimate , yeah the damage is nerfed but thats not the problem, the problem is that it can reflect big aoe ccs like renata or maokai. This champion basically makes renata r useless in teamfights. This is not okay. Like imagine being renata waiting 120s for your big impact ultimate and mel just reflects it with a basic abiliry with 30s cooldown
Renata has been already countered by windwall champions since her release. If they have Samira you can't reliably use neither Q, nor E, nor R
Well there's still playarounds to it. You can maybe try focusing her down so that she uses W for survivability. But yeah it's still kinda broken since you have to wait until that W is out of the equation and you might just miss alot of ult angles during that
"This champion basically makes renata r useless in teamfights"
Windwall? Hello?
Yeah she definitely is NOT ksante
@@Alierii windwall+sylas ult
A proof that regular league comment section crybabies can't form their own opinions.
As it stands right now, securing her on your team is an insta win.
i'd like to see, how fast she can stack conquerer and the new bloodletter item with her q, e and autohit passive. since her dmg is so backloaded with execute and ult. also, would shadowflame crit passive be calculated into the execute threshhold or not?
What sucks about her W is that she can't do any recast on skills that do something else on recast.
Does her passive not have a time limit? In theory it can stack throughout the entire game until that person is executed right? Or am I missing something
There should be a timer that expires, if does count as a debuff so i doubt its permanent
its a 5 sec debuff
Question is, can you reflect Senna Ult?
I see a 110 mana Q ability. Get ready to not play the game if you don’t have lost chapter + double mana runes + blue buff. The champ looks cool tho, can’t wait to try it.
It's a cool champion but i saw zapzap using e nuking waves and rooting the enemy laner non stop it's a non interaction champion. That seems insanely strong. But on the other hand it was a kata so for a melee champion that seems unplayable since sylas for example has one projectile on a long enough cd that she either has e up or w up.
But i don't think that's easy to play into other control mages or set up mages. Like you can't reflect a lissandra R.
her range is actually super high
Sadly Nemesis didnt spot the most op part of Mel. At 23:29, she executes the baron from almost 3k HP by just hitting one or more enemy champions with an ability. So if the enemy team is doing nash, all you have to do is hit an enemy champion and baron with an ability and you can 100% steal the nash. This is ridiculous and will be nerfed.
but that was when they getted baron, not enemies, so she is stacked up very much, her default combo for one time will deal way less damage than needed to kill baron you need multiple rotations
@@kamon9339 sadly you are the one that doesn't understand this situation. Mel's team is doing baron. So she was getting an insane amount of stacks on him. Just one combo will do absolutely nothing to baron
@@aetas810 yeah you are right, still good for 100% securing the nash tho. Just not as broken as I had thought
@@kamon9339 It'll feel like Kalista I imagine, after they nerfed her stealing with rend. They're not gonna let that happen again.
You'll need to stack a TON of Overwhelm to deal any real damage.
Her multipliers are low for some reson, looks like support ap scalings
Because her range is high
It's Swain via Darius, minus the protein shakes
mel: reflect spells on u for 1 sec 21 sec cd
yasuo: delete all projectiles in a large vicinity for 4 seconds give vision 14 second cd
You forgot being completely immune to damage and get a burst of movespeed that doesn’t self slow after like blitz w
Yeah, actually, yes that makes sense. Any longer reflecting and the game will break. She already counters multiple mages, and has insane range.
Yasuo is melee and has limited movement options. I'd you play yas a few times, you'll see his weaknesses pretty clearly.
looks kinda like annie before she got tibbers focused and was more bursty, or morgana.
she would be a lot more op if W could be put on allies
they 100% need to remove the minion and monster execute. It's so disgustingly broken that the champ will just be an auto smite for your team if you start objectives.
Just like Kallista/fed Kaisa?
@@Tomardes Kalista you at least have to calculate the damage yourself and have a good estimation of how much damage you do, coming from playing Kalista. Mel passive quite literally just auto smites.
Doesn't seem too bad, the numbers are worse than Kalista's "additional stack" numbers; 3(+0.25%)AP per additional compared to Kalista's 24 (+45% AD) (+ 20% AP). She'll need to stack A TON for the monster execute to matter. Even with Kalista's "half damage vs epics" on rend she still hits them way harder.
They already nerfed Kalista's ability to Rend Epics, they will account for it in advance here.
@@Bladius_they will Account for it.. if it wasn’t riot games
She's definitely a burst mage. On 2 burst items she oneshots squishies with e+q only from half the screen away. Her dmg currently is stupid.
How?
She has terrible ap scalings.
100% a control mage, going mana and healthy mage items with conq to stay alive and stack her passive
@@SenatorDodo09try her on pbe, the base numbers and pure amount of stacks of passive she applies
naahh but why they downgrading all the arcane visual designs for league ???
her W is capable under 10s CD also with top on of that transendence rune, tried already on PBE...this will be bull....
W reflect can be used as a negating ability in lane, instead of using it as an aggressive spell you can just stand on top of the wave so an ahri can't Q the minions and get prio
If you can stand that far up in front of your wave you have prio anyway
Champ looks so fun unlike the last mage we got
Lets nt get hyped abt the numbers plz cz numbers always change
This is going to be kind of like Swain.
You'll be able to play this top as well.
Definitely not...
this champ has piss scalings and will die to any bruiser with a gapclose, they dont rely on landing one key cc ability they can just engage perma and she cant play, every toplane gapclose has shorter cd than her reflect so they get mercs and then gg she gets killed off cooldown. at BEST mel top will be annoying against champs with 0 mobility but those are few and far between
@mk11211 her root is low cd and high cc and easy to hit. Her reflect is not the important spell early anyway. That is not what her kit is about early. And shit scaling is fixed with high health because ap items are strong for long fights like rift and liandry. She just burns and tanks and CCs everyone.
Top is not only about splitting. Or 1v1. Early it is, but mid and lategam, this champs becomes a monster in teamfights. You'll see.
@@axlvanaudenhove6564 there's no reason you would play her top when she becomes the same teamfighter in mid but has a much better lane and doesn't get stomped by every matchup. she has the same weaknesses top as any immobile mage and she is never getting played into irelia/jax/camille or any tank that will permatank her after one item and spam ping jungle. she also doesnt cc everyone, she can cc one person realistically but 1v2 or if they have mercs she gets 100-0d before the root is up again. she has 0 mobility, 0 sustain, and having one root and being ranged doesn't make a champ viable toplane except as a 4fun pick. 0 sustain, 0 mobility, 0%health damage or true damage/pen for tanks, all she can hope to do in that lane is waveclear and back off if she didn't already get molested but her ratios look bad enough that she's not insta waveclearing, especially if she's behind. i honestly think you just don't play this game enough to see why it's terrible. it might be an s tier pick into mages mid but into bruiser top the kit won't allow you to play
Gold 4
that w is gonne solo win some games late game lol
non-support becoming support has got to be the most miserable category. Hwei and Seraphine. Heck, even Brand and Velkoz simply because they can poke hard
If you W Lillia ult, the deer goes to sleep because it's a really fast projectile, you can even block it with Yas W
No dashes well done I guess
its doctor strange but cool
I'm 100% convinced they created Mel so Faker could win worlds for the next 10 years
Looks like an APC
She seems like a mage designed for bot imo.
i would prefer if this champ was a assasin like akali or LeBlanc and kept only the w
it dosent feel special as it is e q are reprinted spells from other mages
they just gave ger w as strong skill it does not connect well with her at least in my opinion
All in all counter champ but a boring one
so you just don't like mages got it
@@vinogr00nko93 not exactly mage's are cool but i feel we have too many of them
Bro just yapping watch the damn spotlight jesus christ
I get botlanevibes...with her passive she could go supp and still deal ok dmg, as an adc...she could be insane
Mel's W not so good of a spell? lmao
buff yasuo
i uninstalled that game like 2 weeks ago , riot keep releasing garbage op unskilled champs .. this game is just another pokemon nowdays ,combined ofc with gatch system like wtf..
senna ukt should not be reflectable, stupidest shit ive seen all day
Senna ult is a projectile, yasuo can block it
There are a few PBE games on youtube already and she is looking disgustingly broken.
Q range is insane, E slow/stun is insane, the reflect is good enough to be her ult but they just slapped it on W and gave her a no skillshot, free damage R on any champs that are marked by her passive. Ult isn't even point and click. It's press R and AEO detonate the team. Oh btw all of her damaging abilities have built in elder execute buff, including her ult.
Balance team truly cooked with this one
that feels like a silver take she looks to be kinda useless in low elo and playable master+ she is like a neeko but with a reflect and no engage and worse mobility she feels kinda alright definitly not broken most pbe games are insanely out of perspective
goddamn you guys complain about every single champion just give it a rest already
@@eebbaa5560 people complain about the same 5 new champs because they are disgusting to play against, Mel will be their new poster girl so she will also make the list
You mean Master+ youtubers playing against normal players on PBE are making a champ look broken? AINTNOWAY
You're out of your mind. Which midlaner has a utility burst without damage? It makes no sense for her W to be her R instead. Zoe may come to mind but she essentially has her R only to make her only source of damage hit (Q). PBE gameplay means nothing, these are high elo players being matched with midlaners who may have peaked gold.
Meanwhile, blitz still slow himself after his w
Mostly agrees with caedrel, calls his take shit anyway. Classic nemesis 😂
He was kidding dude chill.
what a trash toxic overpowered and unfun champion.. 200 f years..
Why would they give her an angry chimpanzee expression on her face? She is much kinder and gentle looking in the show!
Even when she gets angry she still looks good in Arcane... I wonder who was in charge of her model.
it's just worst neeko with reflection
Neeko is ahh compared to this
the r is youst boring
This is a permaban champion, idgaf about her gameplay but executing monsters from the jungle with a damage higher that your maxed smite is a nono lol.
First?😂😂😂
If it stacks to infinity duration should not be a problem...
stacks are lost if you stop hitting for a bunch of seconds