Sole lawbringer in the point and 3 guys show up. Attackers: It's going to be easy it's just one! *Champion Gundyr hp bar appears* Attackers: oh *Boss music starts playing* Attackers: shit
You know what's worse than boosting the zone whole game? having 2 ppl boosting a single point the whole game. Yeah that happens all the time when I'm playing solo. I'm always like, fine I'll go 1v4 on the minion lane.
@@emerealm3779 I do it with my friend as well. We rotate helping the other two teammates when they need it. Just communicate and I will help. Spam stuff in chat and you're on your own lol. Mainly do it to counter roaming four person gank strategy. Get it all the time. 2v4 is better than 1v4.
For Honor is actually killing my gains. I always sleep late at night because of this. And I am starting to procastinate with my workouts... I simply cannot stop playing. lol
@Van Den Berg there is no point in using the big boy dash, the recovery is so long that it'd be like if you didn't use it running beside someone and you didn't fuck their sprint up lmao. Either way run run is bad
@@isseihyoudou4872, I don't have solid evidence, but I'm pretty sure the average speed by repetitively oni dashing is one of the higher ones in the game.
@@drderpphd ive literally been running beside a friend. Use big boy run. And the recovery is so long that my position never changed I'm back beside that friend I dashed ahead of
As a solo player, I'll probably boost zones anyway. I'm aware that not or partially doing it is more efficient. I just don't trust random players enough to make these coordinated plays.
As a solo player i always focus on the mid because clearing minions and holding the mid gives you MORE points than boosting a zone and it can't be contested when other players come in.
@@RafaelSantos-pi8py Well, not every character can clear mid efficiently. Some are plain terrible at it. So, if you're playing a vanguard or something, then sure, clearing mid is VERY beneficial for your team. Otherwise, the capture points are the priority.
Dear Fridge, The educational content must stop. Eventually the level will improve to the point where there is more competition in tournaments especially when TG lands. Players may even attribute issues on console to integrated input delay and will pick up the plausible improved version when they get their new consoles at the end of the year. As we all know the comp word is bad and you are contributing to more comp word. I know you'd never do that intentionally. Thanks for reading this and good luck with making duels versus light spammer videos instead. All the best, 0_c
If TG lands console FH will die, I cant play a dom game without landing with at least 1-2 KSA 80 latencey players on each team because everyone except them is jumping ship with the prospect of increased speed on the horizon. I'm all for the damage changes but the speed changes should not happen, we are 2/3 of the community and should not he brushed aside because the top percentage of your playerbase have a staring problem and are to scared to attack each other
@@stephenharcourt11 I don't think TG changes will come that soon. I think they plan to make FH 60 fps on the next gen consoles otherwise they probably wouldn't have made drastic changes like this. At least I hope they think that far ahead and aren't oblivious. Could be wrong though. I hope I'm not
One thing that you really didn't mention, though it's important: All of this only matters if people play well. Either 4 good players, or a competitive environment. If I had to choose between an Orochi who just feeds revenge while getting external blocked, or a Lawbringer/Bash Prior who just sits on the point and tries to hold it, stall it from being sneakily captured, you know my choice. Since it isn't a choice I can make, I stick back myself, as I have no intention fighting with an useless teammate at my side, versus 1-4 enemies who just spam me with bashes and 50/50 guessing game moves. I sit on the point, boost, slowly gain points, go clear mid when it saturates, then I stroll back. Hold the point versus the occasional opponent that comes, then cry when few meta characters beat my pick from the other 70% of the cast, and my team can't get either mid or the other point versus one person.
Have you considered that your team can view you the same way you view them as a random not making good plays when your boosting a point. Now they are going to be inclined to play in a way that hinders the team overall because “their random teammate (that’s you) isn’t making good plays”
Mack Prime it doesn’t matter quite frankly. People just do not respond well to strangers pinging objectives or for assistance. If people actually paid attention I’d be more inclined to agree with you but the fact of he matter is, if they aren’t willing to work with me why should I work with them?
This mentality is a self fulfilling prophecy. Boost points because randoms suck > randoms get outnumbered and lose fights because you're boosting points > "man these randoms suck I better stay on this point" > repeat
Julian not my fault people don’t look for pings and quick chat. I try and do my part but if they don’t want to listen or acknowledge it then there’s no point in trying to work with them.
I personally think that boosting the nearest point to the enemy spawn with 2 people total is a good way to keep them away from mid and your nearest point. The reason why is it demands your opponent's attention on some maps, thus making them waste their time and keep them away from other objectives. Except of course if they finally grow a brain, communicate as a team and gank you 4v2 or prioritise other objectives (which still are maybe defended by other 2) This is at least my way of seeing this, because i mostly play and communicate with my team of 4. But i still agree that one person won't make much of a difference if they're alone in the lobby with randoms.
I disagree with this argument partially because one major variable is missing and that's the enemy attacking your boosted point. While you are correct that boosting all game is not good, staying on one point, depending on your enemy, can be good. If the enemy gets behind in points, your point is likely the first place they will go to and you will begin to stall and your teammates can help. If you win that fight, you get a major boost on the scoreboard and in points. This makes it so "boosting" and "defending" combined are well worth it. That said, if someone's point never gets attacked, which is very rare from what I've seen, then yes, only boosting is a not sound strategy. Ideally your teammates would focus on stalling the other two points and force your team to only have the points.
What I do as a heavy is boost and anchor a zone, until a teammate close to me needs help in a 1v2, or if my team is 3v4 in another zone. This is a pretty optimal strat, if you asked me.
I'm just going to copy and paste a comment I made. Competitive player here, this isn't a viable tactic considering how if two people boost one zone the entire match the 2 people at mid are still going to have quite the tough time especially if they aren't going the correct heroes for mid. In most competitive scrims and dominion tournaments, a heavy like Black Prior or Warlord only boosts when the team doesn't know where all the enemies are if they do, that is when they leave for rotations and help their team at mid. Plus it isn't BAD to boost a zone it's just that boosting the entire match is utterly terrible.
@@lepyramid5730 2 people boasting a single zone is bad optimally but 1 (preferably heavy for the additional points for defending a zone) allows you to get the most you can out of a zone but unless you're capturing a zone in Breach it's pretty redundant.
Thanks freeze, I had been wondering for a while why my team had been mad at me for us winning a game. Their main point was the fact that I was boosting a zone all game, and I hadn't understood that. Thank you for letting me know and others know that its a bad thing to boost all game. You really helped me freeze, and I hope others take your information as well as I did. Although I will say, when my teammates invited me to a party to ask what I was doing all game they were quite rude, I can understand they may be tilted after a match but really it would've gone the extra mile for them to explain why what I was doing was a bad thing for the team and not to do it anymore. I can't be hopeful for people to be like that anymore as I am playing For Honor of all games. (at least its not league of legends)
Hey this was actually quite eye-opening. I will say though that when you are boosting a point and also managing to fight off ganks with a pretty decent antigank hero (like JJ), you're doing way better. If you can consistently beat a 2 or 3v1, you are doing your team real well as even though you might not be gaining points with a contested zone, you are depriving two other important zones of a number of heroes. I have had games where we should have lost but a good warlord/conq/JJ was fighting off ganks in a zone most of the match and thus kept us in good standing. But I used to genuinely think if I parked my ass in a zone, the unattested point accumulation was worth it and the longer I stayed there the better it was. Thanks for the vid!
The best thing to do is to play to your hero's strength if they have good minion clearing capabilities, or just keep an eye on what's going on elsewhere in the map if you are boosting. Boosting all game can be a good idea but only if you're having to defend it with some regularity. If your enemies are focusing the other points and your team can't dislodge them, you need to assist them. In other words, stay aware of what's going on in the battle and keep to where you are most helpful, even if that doesn't look like you get the most points.
Though there are some points I agree with, there’s also the point of teammates actually guarding the point from enemies. In a perfect FH match, yes I can see the team actually dealing with a 4v3 if the teammate does nothing but boost, but you also forget that the enemy might also try to point rush and gank the point guard. So technically it can range from 1v4 to a complete 4v4. And the way you made it seem was that the enemy would go after the other points other than the boosted zone
I’m not saying that I fully disagree, I’m just saying this as a safeguard standpoint. But if someone is complaining about losing after they lost, then it can be their fault for not capturing the other zone from the enemy
First off: Thanks a ton for this video. Trying to explain to people how they are not contributing to the team's success, despite them top-scoring is such an absurdly frustrating task. Maybe this will change some people's minds. I feel like the biggest issue however stems from the fact that the game's UI straight up "lies" to the player. If you just look at the HUD, it seems like holding the midlane only gives +1 score a second, while holding A and C gives +2, so naturally A and C seem way more valuable, especially if you boost. In reality though the scoring works differently: - Unboosted capture zones grant 0.74 points/sec (44.4/min) - Boosted capture zones grant 1.85 points/sec (111/min) a x2.5 multiplier - Holding mid lane/minion zone grants 1.35 points/sec (81/min) - "Farming" mid (ie. killing minions as fast as possible) gives between ~40 and ~70 points/min, depending on the map, with most maps giving ~50/min (0.85/s) If Ubi wants people to actually play "properly" they should honestly start actually displaying how much each point contributes to the team. You can't fault people for making bad decisions, if they are given incorrect information. Renown probably also needs to be looked at. Especially Heavies get ridicolous renown for just parking the bus at home base all game.
As a Jorm main I will continue to boost point and never touch minion lane. Don't have the range to wipe out a bunch of minions and if I'm (In a majority of situations, In a 1v2/3 ) on a point will continue to stay there. Also I likey seeing 1000 points next to my name.
CrimsonStarDrago i don’t think the idea is you have to clear minions. However spotting a point while your teammates are all fighting the rest while you chill is a shame for the rest. They are one man out and could possibly use the help. And Jorm is a great at ganks if you don’t spam your hammer bashes
its been 3 years and this video is still something most players should see. just today i had 2 teammates boosting 1 zone the whole game. we lost of course
Personally I've found my favorite strategy working in 4s is to have a designated initial anchor on a home point while the rest of the team runs to the mid-lane initially, once the mid Lane is taken, the enemy team ends up in a choke point on B fighting for control, at which point the initial anchor can rotate out with teammates as needed to keep a constant presence in mid, or they all rush the initial anchor point and we simply rotate our anchor point to the one they decided not to focus on. Executed properly this strategy yields an initial 2-300 point lead, even if you lose your anchor point fairly early. And as long as you can maintenance the minion lane after that and run back captures on the main points then you're good.
The only time I boost is when I'm on temple garden up at a with lawbringers conquer perk and fourth teir bomb perks to keep minion lane cleared which is usually near the end of the game so yeah it falls in line with what the video suggests
As someone who boosts a lot, I'm guilty of doing it all game sometimes. But one thing I've done recently to change that is to leave the home point and contest the enemy point once I have all 4 of my feats. Not a perfect solution, but it works for me and puts me in the field rather than stuck on a point.
One of my strategies as Orochi as crazy as it is, is to attack zone A as Attacker or C as Defender since those are closest to the enemy spawns. Essentially I survive as long as possible to prevent the enemy team from gaining points while the rest of my teammates focus on B and the zone closest to our spawn. Suicidal? Yes, but it actually works.
I play by myself a lot and when someone boosts point a or c the enemy team almost never goes and tries to get that point, so my teammate just sits there with 1 or 2 kills and did absolutely nothing. And then calles us trash for losing.
I sometimes boost all game if the enemy team can be easily defeated by my teammates. If it's looking hot, I will stop boosting and try to cap other zones
I usually just boost point when I realize my teammates dont understand how to not give an enemy revenge when I'm fighting them (95%) of my games and they end up killing us both bc of it.
Ranked dominion actually existed at one point but got removed since not many players played it. Only ranked duels remained for some reason. I highly doubt it had more players than ranked dominion.
I mean I do it on certain maps and certain situations. For example, if we are playing sanctuary bridge, or any map that has a point closer to the opponents, run to their point and hold it as long as I can. During that time it would be two at B and one at A just incase someone trying to past by. All the enemies are focused on me, so they get to boost and clear all they want and help me from time occasionally.
Here's my 2 Cents on this topic: I play the game since day 1. I agree that it's not good to just stand there on a point all game BUT if you leave it every now and then to Clear B and help teammates on mid or nearby in general I think it is reasonable. Quite often I'm in a Situation where I have nowhere to heal since no one was defending our "gimme point". The result is that the team gets slaughtered most likely if they already lost some or a lot of health which then leads to the opposing team having more time to secure these objectives + B while we are dead. It also gives them renown when they pick up these easy kills which makes the rest of the match more of an uphill battle even if you team up and try to take back your home point you get fire flasked, spear stormed etc. you name it. it is very hard to get ouf that situation and more often than not it results in your team breaking. So it's a thin line between being useless and uselful. People need to find a middleground Edit: watched more of the video and you mentioned most of what I've said
I completely agree, and it’s even worse when it’s 2 people. Because I personally love constantly love being in 2v4s at best. But my luck is constant 1v4s because F me.
I play solo 90% of the time so I'm just gonna boost zones anyway and occasionally leave the zone to prevent whoever trying to capture it from touching the zone's border
As a slow ass Highlander main, I tend to stand on points as long as I possibly can. If there is a 3v4 fight going on, I try to wait long enough for a teammate to gain revenge or to asses if they need my help at all. If so, I will have usually boosted the zone long enough for us to have an advantage so I come in to help. If we are getting steamrolled, I like to capture the opponent's zone and boost it, which forces them to either lose points overall (as our zone will be contested more often) or come attack me which takes pressure off of my teammates. Worked well for me so far. Of course, if a teammate comes in and starts boosting the zone, I leave immediately. In my experience, unless we are winning by a landslide the enemy team will eventually come to challenge my boost, so I end up contributing to the fight without having to leave the zone. If the enemy has mid and their zone boosted, there is not much point for me to boost our zone, so I try to leave and capture one of theirs or contest it to reduce their point income.
I boost all game if the point I’m boosting is CONSTANTLY being attacked (as in a defeat one guy and not 5-10 seconds later another one comes along. It sucks to have two enemies constantly attacking your point and your three teammates can’t seem to contest B OR the other point against two enemies. Surely that would be an exception because it happened to me often?
I stay at one point normally until the minion lane is lost, then I head over to clear it. However, If backcapping is happening 4.6 seconds every time I leave any zone I'm just just stay at it for the rest of the game because I'm not abandoning my team in a 4v3. They are actively trying to take this point. Freeze didn't mention this type of situation but it happens quite a bit on smaller maps. Especially a lot on Shard.
That's not boosting a zone all game, that's defending a zone all game. There's s difference, boosters are 4heads that sit on a zone when no one is attacking it while their teammates die in 1, 2 or 3 v 4's trying to take a zone so they gain points faster than the other team
Ah freeze, I would love if you shared your opinion on the new heroes coming this year. Do you think there will be two new wu lin? You think there will be two unique or “hybrid faction” heroes? What weapons would you like to see them to wield? I would love two between these: -Axe with Celtic oval shield or just a shield (favourite). - Lu Bu spear -Chakram or Katara, or Claws. -Dacian Falx -Estoc -Saber or Scimitar, or Falchion.
I think a great video idea would be explaining why those changes in the recent testing ground that made more attacks unreactable (or harder to react to) is healthier for the game. The warrior's den did explain the concept behind why it would be healthier if more moves were more unreactable but you could tell a lot of people either misunderstood what was being said, or didn't listen to it.
I think the ideal strat is pair roaming at the start, two break off their pair to the middle lane who have strong/stronger minion clearing than the partner.. Since both instances have the mid lane decently close to both points switch off and panic back-up if the first pair gets that 4 player deathball on one point. Divide and conquer is good but solely depends how the other team even works to begin with, if they strictly deathball then it's a simple game because though they have the most kills in some instances they play more recklessly feeding the oh so useless revenge we always need lol increases a team's improbability of dying to deathballing.. Unless of course they gank smart which is often the case but I still think this is the overall best strat for Dominion.
Can we have a video talking about basic breach tips? It's not an awful mode, but 99% of people in matchmaking treat it as a huge deathmatch and it's so frustrating.
Yea boosting is bad, except wnen I don't do that my team dont gain any points and just die then leave in the middle of match and so I alone with 3 bots completely hopeless, search the most cinematic place in map to die
I mainly boost when I’m trying to get enemies to permanent breaking, or when I know that a person will keep coming back to a point over and over whenever they die.
I do find it's more beneficial with a bunch of randoms simply because while holding it I'll frequently be attacked 1v1 or 2v1 at the point i'm holding. This often results in an even or better situation for teammates and of course an easy spot to come back from minion and heal ( at which point i'd leave the point for minion lane ). I can see how with a team that's communicating this is bad. But too often i find if I leave our point all that happens is teammates won't notice the other team running right past them and sniping the point. Then everyone gets scattered , potentially dying in awkward situations and now opponents end up holding 3 points until respawn. And at this point usually enemy team will have 3 or more people come to the closest spawn point and it turns into a big brawl at that point that takes awhile and meanwhile they'll still have minion and their closest point. Obviously on the right team staying there all game is bad, but with a bunch of randoms as long as enemies keep coming my way it seems to work well. edit : nm , i made this point before the 5:00 minute mark, he just covered this.
Honestly, I always assumed that rotations were pretty common (at least as long as injured players have the sense to retreat when injured and not die needlessly). Even still, pretty annoying when you have teammates using mid clearing classes try to boost when you're using someone who can't clear mid nearly as well. Guess that's why we don't play with randoms. If you do see this comment, I'd like to suggest a video about something like "what to do when breaking" or some such (especially for situations where even holding all zones won't cause your team to rally). I feel like a lot of people will just do whatever they were already doing even if you can no longer rally. Not sure if I'm doing things wrong by trying to gather everyone together for a last stand or if the randoms are by splitting up and trying to push the zones. I could honestly see either one, or both, being wrong.
1 post I saw said that people with 2 weapons, aramusha, berserker, should be able to counter after they get light parried since their lights only use one weapon
I see your (Freeze) point, and I agree that an extra teammate in ganks is generally more valuable than one boosting a point all game, but allow me to pull up some points on why people do this. -People don't trust their teamates. In solo matchmaking, it's hard to coordinate a team objectively, so usually they just go around killing people and leave behind unprotected points. There were also times when my randoms were feeding the deathballing team at A, so I just camped C in hopes that they moved on. By the time my teammates gave up on feeding them, we still had a chance of winning because I farmed C and B. -Another reason is because the player sucks. One of my friends is new to the game, and she struggles against the people I matchmake with her (I'm a much higher rep than her). We tell her to sit the point, because she becomes a liability in ganks, feeds people revenge, and cannot hold her own against most people. We opted to let her take a defensive playstyle by camping points, and so far it has worked out fairly well in both the enjoyment and strategy of each game. If she encounters someone, we rush back and help her as she holds them off. -It's actually a viable strategy. I know you (Freeze) literally said that camping a zone is more of a detriment than a help, and I agree, but sometimes it's for the better. Having a boosted zone all game is a huge benefit to the team score wise. IF your team is capable of 3v4ing the enemy team (via revenege gain, seperating them, deathballing, etc.), then it would actually help more by boosting a zone and leaving them to their own devices. To be honest, boosting a zone the entire game or not is not an individual problem, but is rather part of the bigger question, "What should I be doing right now?" If your team has control of the map, is absolutely destroying the enemy themselves, find you more problematic than useful in fights, or is just so incompetent that you need to carry your team point-wise to stay in the game, than staying at a point(s) instead of helping the team is completely viable. However, like you've (Freeze) said, if the team needs help in a critical gank that they're struggling with, need help capping points, or anything else that needs additional assistance that you are capable of doing, than you should leave and help. It's all about what you should be doing in reaction to the current situation, not cemented rules on how long you stay at a point. If you need to camp or help, do it to the benefit of your team. Thank you for listening to my Tedx talk.
I had a match where my entire team was just camping point A(not sure if they were trolling or not) and I was the only one running around. I was able to clear mid pretty easily since I was lawbro and I tried to secure C. I basically lost every fight tho and it became a cat and mouse game where I clear mid then grab C when the other team is distracted, then get pushed out of C like 2 min later when the whole team come charging in at me.
Also if you’re boosting a point try your best to keep the fight off the point to squeeze out a few more points and also keep the advantage of healing while they try to worm their way in
You would think it was obvious. Thats what I've been doing since the game released, but some people cant seem to grasp the importance of moving around the map capturing & holding B.
As a raider main my strategy is: Clearing B until i have my third feat if my teammates need assistance on a zone i'll help as much as i can. If we succed i'll head back to B and keep clearing the minions until i have third feat. I only boost the zone when i need healing. So far it has worked pretty well. I'm contribute to my team and helping out as much as i can.
It's definitely frustrating when people sit on a point, though I'm less inclined to be annoyed by it if the map is something like Sanctuary Bridge and they are sitting in the 'home' point for the other team, since the other team tend to throw throw themselves at that point. Also not so annoying if it's A point on The Shard, since that just seems to be where pretty much *all* the fights happen. I'll just bounce between B and C then to keep them clear and capped.
It's common knowledge that even if you can't clear mid, you still have teamfighting potential, so expecting your teammates to do all the fighting for you is not only hurting yourself and your own experience but also hurting your teammates as well. It doesn't mean don't boost especially if you don't have the kit to clear out minions quickly, just don't sit there all game, lookf or something to occupy your hero and their particular skill set. Anti-Backcap, teamfights/gank, and switching and opponent around could help out quite a bit as long as your teammates are rotating properly. All in all, before even watching the video I can already tell you that this is just a good example to follow, you don't have to and you can play the way you like, but ultimately everybody knowing the strat is gonna help out allot, especially in full random lobbies.
Hey freeze I’ve been extremely unsure about something for a while and I can’t shake if you made a video on it or not and have no friends to test it with, but does the conqueror feat affect how many points are gained by boosting a point in dominion? I know it’s a substantial, almost essential feat in breach. But is it even useful in dominion at all?
It doesn't affect how many points per second in dominion. It's 1 or 2 points still. Boosts last like 10 or 15 seconds longer, and zones are taken proly like 1 second faster. Pretty much a useless feat. Taking points in breach just got sped up too in a recent patch.
What about the time it takes to reach where the fight is going on? The best strategy I think is when no one else is on a zone, you get a free capture. And usually in half a minute or so, someone comes to contest you.
Freezes advice, while sound, is very oversimplified. If people keep contesting you for that point, then stay on it. If people are contesting you for that point because they're slaughtering your team and have full control over all the other points, it might be a good idea to help out instead
It's extra dumb when you have two teammates in a party that camp in a zone during a whole game TOGETHER. They are emoting each other while me and another teammate fighting 2 or 3 enemies all the time. The urge to quite the match when that happens is unreal.
Chill out. They're just having fun. If you have that much of a problem with that, you can just send them a message later letting them know your side of the story and ask them to change politely. Often times when I emote spam with someone, they're a random. I rarely stay at the same point all game but I've stayed just to emote spam a few times.
I play an rare playstyle, The bard. I help out teammates, if they ask, or i see them beeing attacked by multible enemies. Also I hate ganking, and will refrain from doing so, if I see that the fight is fair.
How I usually play it when I play is I hold a point and boost it and occasionally rotate where needed. Most but not all of my focus is on that key point
Ima link this to everyone that I see boost points all game to this video. A couple days ago my and my friend were just wanting to play and the other two were just sitting on our point, I was pissed. I knew we were going to lose. I would be fine if one person was on the point because we were on Sanctuary Bridge.
This may only be me but when i boost i always juggle one of the zones and the minion lane, but theres also when some enemies try to back cap and so i also end with decent kills (8-25) depending on how much they want me dead, but i also only boost with heavies.
I keep thinking of this video because the topic gets me upset too much. They should implement a basic tutorial that tells you how 4 is the greater number than 3.
Once I had a guy in voice chat all game boosting A in Temple Garden as he complained that we were garbage teammates as we lost team fight after team fight, gank after gank... Then after the end of the game I politely messaged him and said: "C'mon man, why did you shower us with insults as you did nothing but sit at A all game?" He messaged back saying there is nothing he could do, he was number one so it means he was the best and reiterated that everyone but him was garbage... I completely agree boosting is a bad strat, unless I am ordered to do so in a premade team, then I do it to be respectful of whoever gave the order...
After I capture a zone I wait a couple of seconds to make sure that nobody is coming, and boost the zone for a second. But I’m not sitting there all game. That’s just stupid
Hey Freeze, you think you can drop a video on what the term, 'reactable/unreactable' actually means? Not just for me, but for everyone. I know you did reactability videos before, but a fresh and updated one (especially due to the recent Testing Grounds stuff) would be great. From what I've seen around the web, people seem to have completely different ideas of what it means and it's infuriating how off some of them can be. Some people seem to think that '*UN*reactable' means 'so fast you can't even move your guard fast enough', where others mean it's just fast enough that it isn't a free parry/punish every time. This mostly pertains to mix-ups that don't involve something innately unblockable, as you always have the option to block those (which is easier than parrying). I'm tired of misconceptions of what unreactable even means, especially the '33% chance to block because 3 directions' example a LOT of people are somehow *still* throwing around. I know this sounds convoluted but to try and provide a proper example, a lot of people still think the recent Testing Grounds changes turn the game into a complete guessing game (at *all* times) so fast you can't even block *ANYTHING* without guessing, which is a load of garbage. I'd love something to help put everyone on the same page and help stop misuse of the terminology. Again, long winded and confusing question but I hope it sort of makes sense.
Should really watch the video. Boosting is NOT bad. ONLY boosting, and not doing anything else, is bad. Boosting should be done whenever possible and it's not to the detriment of your team.
You didn’t mention that two people on the zone will not make the boost better. The worst thing could happen to you if two or more people are staying in one zone the whole match
Idk if this is bad but when I play doom with a full squad is 1 person on the 2 player zones 1 for each and 1 person roaming and 1 minion lane in order to be close to both
Nope, mind not changed. Its an objective game mode, not team deathmatch. Goal is to reach max points so you can win. Just because Im boosting all game doesn't automatically make it 3v4 for my team on the rest of the map. I usually have 1, sometimes 2, enemies who insists on taking my zone and will keep coming back to me over and over everytime they spawn. So im boosting most of the match, while still getting kills and team is fighting 3v3 or even 3v2 on the rest of the map.
Serious question. Let’s say for example we are playing on temple garden and the C point is consistently being contested and changing hands every minute or so while the mid point is not as hectic as C but being cleared again every now and again. With point gain being inconsistent under these circumstances, would it be beneficial to capture A if you see its undefended and defend A for the game unless you see the mid point is captured by the other team or you see a huge 3 v 4 team fight?
I never leave capture points when I play Jorm. He's too strong when ganked along with how "heavies" contribute to the team with having to anchor points.
The problem why people boost is a bit difrent in my experience Lower rank players HATE the fact that minions knock you out of executions and deal quite a lot of damage if you don't watch out and that makes fighting in the mid lane a lot less enjoyable than fighting on a point
>palette is completely one colour that is not related to either team colour What even is team recognition nowadays in For Honor. At least from a distance.
Overvaluing group fights loses more games than overvaluing boosting. If someone is just waiting to leave and back cap as soon as you join the group fight there's no point in going. Putting points on the board is more valuable than winning a group fight until you're breaking. Your team in the 3v4 just has to cover each other, stick in their minions and fight their minions off the line. If they do that, they will have the point advantage. The comp community can't seem to adapt to any strategy that isn't just outnumber and gank your opponent. It's an overvalued strategy. If you leave the boosted point you're risking an even bigger point disadvantage to now have 4 people clear the line instead of 3. If your team can't clear minions off the line in a 3v4 and give you the faster point gain while boosting, then there's not much hope of them winning a 4v4 group fight anyways. So what happens if you come off the point and lose a 4v4 anyways? You just lose the game faster.
Or when you see two point holding the same point while forcing me and the other teamate to do all the work while they spam emotes and get "high" kill games.
When I played I sat on a point until a teammate called for help. Cause if I leave a point unattended then the enemy would just simply capture it. I guard the point until someone releases me of my duties or I see the whole enemy team on the minion line or the other point. To make up for my absence, I always went for the point closest to the enemies to distract until my teammates captured the other point and/or cleared the minion lane. Was my strategy bad?
Me : Players are ganking me! I need support! The teamate holding a point during all game and watchin in the distance: Continue! You are doing great! Me: NOT THAT KIND OF SUPPORT DAMNI...*Dies*
good vid, but I think thats too much for random lobby to handle. Especially when enemies still sometimes like to doomstack and win all fights, but loose the game cause of points. Also: regenerate in dom? Is that really the best 4th feat for conq?
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I like boosting on a zone because it makes me feel like a boss fight
Sole lawbringer in the point and 3 guys show up.
Attackers: It's going to be easy it's just one!
*Champion Gundyr hp bar appears*
Attackers: oh
*Boss music starts playing*
Attackers: shit
A new challenger approaches
Attac Heli as a lawbringer,main since the beginning, I can confirm
"Never should have come here" skyrim music starts playing
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You know what's worse than boosting the zone whole game? having 2 ppl boosting a single point the whole game. Yeah that happens all the time when I'm playing solo.
I'm always like, fine I'll go 1v4 on the minion lane.
Had two jorms do this exact thing for two straight games and I died inside.
I do this on purpose with my friend and we win 7/10 games.
@@emerealm3779 People like you are the reason I stopped playing public queue Dominion.
@@emerealm3779 Fuck you and your friend then
@@emerealm3779 I do it with my friend as well. We rotate helping the other two teammates when they need it. Just communicate and I will help. Spam stuff in chat and you're on your own lol. Mainly do it to counter roaming four person gank strategy. Get it all the time. 2v4 is better than 1v4.
Conclusion: its more beneficial to keep B clean than to boost A or C.....
Ayy raider dp squad
Y tho
@@jotingodelacola760 did......you..........watch the video?
Unless... you’re on The Shard
@@nobro6971 oof shard flashbacks
The title made me think of some workout channels like:
"Why boosting all game is bad... *for your gains* " :D
"Boosting all game is KILLING your gains!"
Nice profil pic ac revelatioooon
@@SultanOfRUclips
Thanks mate
@@LoRezGaming
Damn it. You got me. I was actually referencing to him xD
Nice one, mate. You got a laugh outta me :D
For Honor is actually killing my gains. I always sleep late at night because of this. And I am starting to procastinate with my workouts...
I simply cannot stop playing. lol
Alright all my Shugoki mains. Ready to be a roaming Shugoki? It might take us 20 years to get to B but we will get there eventually.
Ian Keesee lmao 🤣
@Van Den Berg there is no point in using the big boy dash, the recovery is so long that it'd be like if you didn't use it running beside someone and you didn't fuck their sprint up lmao. Either way run run is bad
I roam and defend xD
@@isseihyoudou4872, I don't have solid evidence, but I'm pretty sure the average speed by repetitively oni dashing is one of the higher ones in the game.
@@drderpphd ive literally been running beside a friend. Use big boy run. And the recovery is so long that my position never changed I'm back beside that friend I dashed ahead of
As a solo player, I'll probably boost zones anyway. I'm aware that not or partially doing it is more efficient. I just don't trust random players enough to make these coordinated plays.
I am literally this.
As a solo player i always focus on the mid because clearing minions and holding the mid gives you MORE points than boosting a zone and it can't be contested when other players come in.
You're the random player that you dont trust lmao
@@RafaelSantos-pi8py Well, not every character can clear mid efficiently. Some are plain terrible at it. So, if you're playing a vanguard or something, then sure, clearing mid is VERY beneficial for your team. Otherwise, the capture points are the priority.
God you're that guy who watches me get 1v3 and runs away lol.
14:45 It looks like Shaolin bats away Conq's shield for getting in the way
5:36 high IQ warlord gameplay right there
He was using his iq to bash freeze quite literaly
Haha head go bonk
@Kevin Suwandi the warlord lost though
Lol that warlord
As a person who has boosted points for 2 years I feel personally attacked
You have been a liability for 2 years
Same.
@@Ixb3rs3rkxI or he enjoyed the game while others took it too serious
@@jakemorrison6634 Nobody denying that, doesn't make him any less of a liability to teammates
@@iDeathSparky who cares? It's not ranked and there's definitely not enough of a competitive scene for this to been seen as an issue atm
Dear Fridge,
The educational content must stop. Eventually the level will improve to the point where there is more competition in tournaments especially when TG lands. Players may even attribute issues on console to integrated input delay and will pick up the plausible improved version when they get their new consoles at the end of the year. As we all know the comp word is bad and you are contributing to more comp word. I know you'd never do that intentionally. Thanks for reading this and good luck with making duels versus light spammer videos instead.
All the best,
0_c
Very convincing, I will take it into consideration and make some meme montages while pondering about it!
@@fkkfreeze make a cent meme video with 50+db
that will generate millions
@@fredfuchs5600 Don't forget the distortion effect during the 'INCREDIBILIS', both the audio and a deepfry effect on the picture.
If TG lands console FH will die, I cant play a dom game without landing with at least 1-2 KSA 80 latencey players on each team because everyone except them is jumping ship with the prospect of increased speed on the horizon. I'm all for the damage changes but the speed changes should not happen, we are 2/3 of the community and should not he brushed aside because the top percentage of your playerbase have a staring problem and are to scared to attack each other
@@stephenharcourt11 I don't think TG changes will come that soon. I think they plan to make FH 60 fps on the next gen consoles otherwise they probably wouldn't have made drastic changes like this. At least I hope they think that far ahead and aren't oblivious. Could be wrong though. I hope I'm not
One thing that you really didn't mention, though it's important: All of this only matters if people play well. Either 4 good players, or a competitive environment.
If I had to choose between an Orochi who just feeds revenge while getting external blocked, or a Lawbringer/Bash Prior who just sits on the point and tries to hold it, stall it from being sneakily captured, you know my choice.
Since it isn't a choice I can make, I stick back myself, as I have no intention fighting with an useless teammate at my side, versus 1-4 enemies who just spam me with bashes and 50/50 guessing game moves. I sit on the point, boost, slowly gain points, go clear mid when it saturates, then I stroll back. Hold the point versus the occasional opponent that comes, then cry when few meta characters beat my pick from the other 70% of the cast, and my team can't get either mid or the other point versus one person.
Preach!
Randoms often don’t make good plays that’s why I boost on a zone, less risk of getting pissed.
VRTX Prawn exactly bruv👍🏽
Have you considered that your team can view you the same way you view them as a random not making good plays when your boosting a point. Now they are going to be inclined to play in a way that hinders the team overall because “their random teammate (that’s you) isn’t making good plays”
Mack Prime it doesn’t matter quite frankly. People just do not respond well to strangers pinging objectives or for assistance. If people actually paid attention I’d be more inclined to agree with you but the fact of he matter is, if they aren’t willing to work with me why should I work with them?
This mentality is a self fulfilling prophecy. Boost points because randoms suck > randoms get outnumbered and lose fights because you're boosting points > "man these randoms suck I better stay on this point" > repeat
Julian not my fault people don’t look for pings and quick chat. I try and do my part but if they don’t want to listen or acknowledge it then there’s no point in trying to work with them.
1:05 That Valk and Shinobi just took a seat
I personally think that boosting the nearest point to the enemy spawn with 2 people total is a good way to keep them away from mid and your nearest point.
The reason why is it demands your opponent's attention on some maps, thus making them waste their time and keep them away from other objectives.
Except of course if they finally grow a brain, communicate as a team and gank you 4v2 or prioritise other objectives (which still are maybe defended by other 2)
This is at least my way of seeing this, because i mostly play and communicate with my team of 4.
But i still agree that one person won't make much of a difference if they're alone in the lobby with randoms.
T. Akb a competent enemy team will just ignore their home point then and go backcap and boost minion lane so you lose the game.
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Agreed.
I agree as long you don't forget the mid and go clear minons.
I boosted a zone yesterday and went 10 in 0 with 830 points, and my closest teammate only had 300 points
@@Beanorator Did you win? Because if you didn't who cares?
I disagree with this argument partially because one major variable is missing and that's the enemy attacking your boosted point. While you are correct that boosting all game is not good, staying on one point, depending on your enemy, can be good. If the enemy gets behind in points, your point is likely the first place they will go to and you will begin to stall and your teammates can help. If you win that fight, you get a major boost on the scoreboard and in points. This makes it so "boosting" and "defending" combined are well worth it. That said, if someone's point never gets attacked, which is very rare from what I've seen, then yes, only boosting is a not sound strategy. Ideally your teammates would focus on stalling the other two points and force your team to only have the points.
The only time I boost a point for extended periods, is when my team is capable of beating the other team consistently.
Doesn’t help tho that some characters have just overall bad minion clear capabilities.
What I do as a heavy is boost and anchor a zone, until a teammate close to me needs help in a 1v2, or if my team is 3v4 in another zone. This is a pretty optimal strat, if you asked me.
I would say it is. Heavies lack mobility so you decide to move only when you have a clear purpose to. I can definitely respect that.
I'm just going to copy and paste a comment I made.
Competitive player here, this isn't a viable tactic considering how if two people boost one zone the entire match the 2 people at mid are still going to have quite the tough time especially if they aren't going the correct heroes for mid. In most competitive scrims and dominion tournaments, a heavy like Black Prior or Warlord only boosts when the team doesn't know where all the enemies are if they do, that is when they leave for rotations and help their team at mid. Plus it isn't BAD to boost a zone it's just that boosting the entire match is utterly terrible.
@@lepyramid5730 2 people boasting a single zone is bad optimally but 1 (preferably heavy for the additional points for defending a zone) allows you to get the most you can out of a zone but unless you're capturing a zone in Breach it's pretty redundant.
Thanks freeze, I had been wondering for a while why my team had been mad at me for us winning a game. Their main point was the fact that I was boosting a zone all game, and I hadn't understood that. Thank you for letting me know and others know that its a bad thing to boost all game. You really helped me freeze, and I hope others take your information as well as I did. Although I will say, when my teammates invited me to a party to ask what I was doing all game they were quite rude, I can understand they may be tilted after a match but really it would've gone the extra mile for them to explain why what I was doing was a bad thing for the team and not to do it anymore. I can't be hopeful for people to be like that anymore as I am playing For Honor of all games. (at least its not league of legends)
Hey this was actually quite eye-opening. I will say though that when you are boosting a point and also managing to fight off ganks with a pretty decent antigank hero (like JJ), you're doing way better. If you can consistently beat a 2 or 3v1, you are doing your team real well as even though you might not be gaining points with a contested zone, you are depriving two other important zones of a number of heroes. I have had games where we should have lost but a good warlord/conq/JJ was fighting off ganks in a zone most of the match and thus kept us in good standing.
But I used to genuinely think if I parked my ass in a zone, the unattested point accumulation was worth it and the longer I stayed there the better it was. Thanks for the vid!
The best thing to do is to play to your hero's strength if they have good minion clearing capabilities, or just keep an eye on what's going on elsewhere in the map if you are boosting. Boosting all game can be a good idea but only if you're having to defend it with some regularity. If your enemies are focusing the other points and your team can't dislodge them, you need to assist them.
In other words, stay aware of what's going on in the battle and keep to where you are most helpful, even if that doesn't look like you get the most points.
Though there are some points I agree with, there’s also the point of teammates actually guarding the point from enemies. In a perfect FH match, yes I can see the team actually dealing with a 4v3 if the teammate does nothing but boost, but you also forget that the enemy might also try to point rush and gank the point guard. So technically it can range from 1v4 to a complete 4v4. And the way you made it seem was that the enemy would go after the other points other than the boosted zone
I’m not saying that I fully disagree, I’m just saying this as a safeguard standpoint. But if someone is complaining about losing after they lost, then it can be their fault for not capturing the other zone from the enemy
If you're going to camp in a zone, do it in the zone nearest to the enemy's spawn, not your own. And somebody, ffs, clear out B.
Almost like b is also a point in the game 😂
Me on breach: trying to stop the attack from dominning the zones and stopping the ram
My teammates: gank in 1 guy and die
First off: Thanks a ton for this video. Trying to explain to people how they are not contributing to the team's success, despite them top-scoring is such an absurdly frustrating task. Maybe this will change some people's minds. I feel like the biggest issue however stems from the fact that the game's UI straight up "lies" to the player. If you just look at the HUD, it seems like holding the midlane only gives +1 score a second, while holding A and C gives +2, so naturally A and C seem way more valuable, especially if you boost. In reality though the scoring works differently:
- Unboosted capture zones grant 0.74 points/sec (44.4/min)
- Boosted capture zones grant 1.85 points/sec (111/min) a x2.5 multiplier
- Holding mid lane/minion zone grants 1.35 points/sec (81/min)
- "Farming" mid (ie. killing minions as fast as possible) gives between ~40 and ~70 points/min, depending on the map, with most maps giving ~50/min (0.85/s)
If Ubi wants people to actually play "properly" they should honestly start actually displaying how much each point contributes to the team. You can't fault people for making bad decisions, if they are given incorrect information. Renown probably also needs to be looked at. Especially Heavies get ridicolous renown for just parking the bus at home base all game.
As a Jorm main I will continue to boost point and never touch minion lane. Don't have the range to wipe out a bunch of minions and if I'm (In a majority of situations, In a 1v2/3 ) on a point will continue to stay there.
Also I likey seeing 1000 points next to my name.
CrimsonStarDrago i don’t think the idea is you have to clear minions. However spotting a point while your teammates are all fighting the rest while you chill is a shame for the rest. They are one man out and could possibly use the help. And Jorm is a great at ganks if you don’t spam your hammer bashes
its been 3 years and this video is still something most players should see. just today i had 2 teammates boosting 1 zone the whole game. we lost of course
Personally I've found my favorite strategy working in 4s is to have a designated initial anchor on a home point while the rest of the team runs to the mid-lane initially, once the mid Lane is taken, the enemy team ends up in a choke point on B fighting for control, at which point the initial anchor can rotate out with teammates as needed to keep a constant presence in mid, or they all rush the initial anchor point and we simply rotate our anchor point to the one they decided not to focus on. Executed properly this strategy yields an initial 2-300 point lead, even if you lose your anchor point fairly early. And as long as you can maintenance the minion lane after that and run back captures on the main points then you're good.
The only time I boost is when I'm on temple garden up at a with lawbringers conquer perk and fourth teir bomb perks to keep minion lane cleared which is usually near the end of the game so yeah it falls in line with what the video suggests
As someone who boosts a lot, I'm guilty of doing it all game sometimes. But one thing I've done recently to change that is to leave the home point and contest the enemy point once I have all 4 of my feats. Not a perfect solution, but it works for me and puts me in the field rather than stuck on a point.
One of my strategies as Orochi as crazy as it is, is to attack zone A as Attacker or C as Defender since those are closest to the enemy spawns. Essentially I survive as long as possible to prevent the enemy team from gaining points while the rest of my teammates focus on B and the zone closest to our spawn. Suicidal? Yes, but it actually works.
I play by myself a lot and when someone boosts point a or c the enemy team almost never goes and tries to get that point, so my teammate just sits there with 1 or 2 kills and did absolutely nothing. And then calles us trash for losing.
I sometimes boost all game if the enemy team can be easily defeated by my teammates. If it's looking hot, I will stop boosting and try to cap other zones
I usually just boost point when I realize my teammates dont understand how to not give an enemy revenge when I'm fighting them (95%) of my games and they end up killing us both bc of it.
If ubi put a ranked dominion games then everyone will start caring for these common mistakes
Ranked dominion actually existed at one point but got removed since not many players played it. Only ranked duels remained for some reason. I highly doubt it had more players than ranked dominion.
FactSpeaker1993 that’s actually funny because no one plays deathmatch and still they didn’t remove it.
I mean I do it on certain maps and certain situations. For example, if we are playing sanctuary bridge, or any map that has a point closer to the opponents, run to their point and hold it as long as I can. During that time it would be two at B and one at A just incase someone trying to past by. All the enemies are focused on me, so they get to boost and clear all they want and help me from time occasionally.
Totally agree, but as a solo player 90% of the time when someone come heal they don't stay there. I'll probably keep my boosting activity going
I didn't know you got points from killing minions so I thought capping mid was a liability rather than an advantage
The last time I was this surprised, you could get a free guard break off parry
Here's my 2 Cents on this topic: I play the game since day 1. I agree that it's not good to just stand there on a point all game BUT if you leave it every now and then to Clear B and help teammates on mid or nearby in general I think it is reasonable. Quite often I'm in a Situation where I have nowhere to heal since no one was defending our "gimme point". The result is that the team gets slaughtered most likely if they already lost some or a lot of health which then leads to the opposing team having more time to secure these objectives + B while we are dead. It also gives them renown when they pick up these easy kills which makes the rest of the match more of an uphill battle even if you team up and try to take back your home point you get fire flasked, spear stormed etc. you name it. it is very hard to get ouf that situation and more often than not it results in your team breaking. So it's a thin line between being useless and uselful. People need to find a middleground
Edit: watched more of the video and you mentioned most of what I've said
I completely agree, and it’s even worse when it’s 2 people. Because I personally love constantly love being in 2v4s at best. But my luck is constant 1v4s because F me.
Agree but on some maps it makes sense to put 2 people on the ennemy team's neareat point and keep/boost it
I play solo 90% of the time so I'm just gonna boost zones anyway and occasionally leave the zone to prevent whoever trying to capture it from touching the zone's border
As a slow ass Highlander main, I tend to stand on points as long as I possibly can. If there is a 3v4 fight going on, I try to wait long enough for a teammate to gain revenge or to asses if they need my help at all. If so, I will have usually boosted the zone long enough for us to have an advantage so I come in to help. If we are getting steamrolled, I like to capture the opponent's zone and boost it, which forces them to either lose points overall (as our zone will be contested more often) or come attack me which takes pressure off of my teammates. Worked well for me so far. Of course, if a teammate comes in and starts boosting the zone, I leave immediately. In my experience, unless we are winning by a landslide the enemy team will eventually come to challenge my boost, so I end up contributing to the fight without having to leave the zone. If the enemy has mid and their zone boosted, there is not much point for me to boost our zone, so I try to leave and capture one of theirs or contest it to reduce their point income.
I boost all game if the point I’m boosting is CONSTANTLY being attacked (as in a defeat one guy and not 5-10 seconds later another one comes along. It sucks to have two enemies constantly attacking your point and your three teammates can’t seem to contest B OR the other point against two enemies. Surely that would be an exception because it happened to me often?
Me and my friend: boost C and take B
The other random teammates: keep A, and they can’t KEEP ONE FUCKIN ZONE
I stay at one point normally until the minion lane is lost, then I head over to clear it. However, If backcapping is happening 4.6 seconds every time I leave any zone I'm just just stay at it for the rest of the game because I'm not abandoning my team in a 4v3. They are actively trying to take this point. Freeze didn't mention this type of situation but it happens quite a bit on smaller maps. Especially a lot on Shard.
That's not boosting a zone all game, that's defending a zone all game. There's s difference, boosters are 4heads that sit on a zone when no one is attacking it while their teammates die in 1, 2 or 3 v 4's trying to take a zone so they gain points faster than the other team
Ah freeze, I would love if you shared your opinion on the new heroes coming this year. Do you think there will be two new wu lin? You think there will be two unique or “hybrid faction” heroes?
What weapons would you like to see them to wield?
I would love two between these:
-Axe with Celtic oval shield or just a shield (favourite).
- Lu Bu spear
-Chakram or Katara, or Claws.
-Dacian Falx
-Estoc
-Saber or Scimitar, or Falchion.
Thank you for turning on my mind at 6 am Freeze!
I think a great video idea would be explaining why those changes in the recent testing ground that made more attacks unreactable (or harder to react to) is healthier for the game. The warrior's den did explain the concept behind why it would be healthier if more moves were more unreactable but you could tell a lot of people either misunderstood what was being said, or didn't listen to it.
I think the ideal strat is pair roaming at the start, two break off their pair to the middle lane who have strong/stronger minion clearing than the partner.. Since both instances have the mid lane decently close to both points switch off and panic back-up if the first pair gets that 4 player deathball on one point.
Divide and conquer is good but solely depends how the other team even works to begin with, if they strictly deathball then it's a simple game because though they have the most kills in some instances they play more recklessly feeding the oh so useless revenge we always need lol increases a team's improbability of dying to deathballing.. Unless of course they gank smart which is often the case but I still think this is the overall best strat for Dominion.
uh oh freeze you’re gonna trigger the warlords
Can we have a video talking about basic breach tips? It's not an awful mode, but 99% of people in matchmaking treat it as a huge deathmatch and it's so frustrating.
Yea boosting is bad, except wnen I don't do that my team dont gain any points and just die then leave in the middle of match and so I alone with 3 bots completely hopeless, search the most cinematic place in map to die
I mainly boost when I’m trying to get enemies to permanent breaking, or when I know that a person will keep coming back to a point over and over whenever they die.
I do find it's more beneficial with a bunch of randoms simply because while holding it I'll frequently be attacked 1v1 or 2v1 at the point i'm holding. This often results in an even or better situation for teammates and of course an easy spot to come back from minion and heal ( at which point i'd leave the point for minion lane ). I can see how with a team that's communicating this is bad. But too often i find if I leave our point all that happens is teammates won't notice the other team running right past them and sniping the point. Then everyone gets scattered , potentially dying in awkward situations and now opponents end up holding 3 points until respawn. And at this point usually enemy team will have 3 or more people come to the closest spawn point and it turns into a big brawl at that point that takes awhile and meanwhile they'll still have minion and their closest point. Obviously on the right team staying there all game is bad, but with a bunch of randoms as long as enemies keep coming my way it seems to work well.
edit : nm , i made this point before the 5:00 minute mark, he just covered this.
Nice double kill at the beginning of the video
Honestly, I always assumed that rotations were pretty common (at least as long as injured players have the sense to retreat when injured and not die needlessly). Even still, pretty annoying when you have teammates using mid clearing classes try to boost when you're using someone who can't clear mid nearly as well. Guess that's why we don't play with randoms.
If you do see this comment, I'd like to suggest a video about something like "what to do when breaking" or some such (especially for situations where even holding all zones won't cause your team to rally). I feel like a lot of people will just do whatever they were already doing even if you can no longer rally. Not sure if I'm doing things wrong by trying to gather everyone together for a last stand or if the randoms are by splitting up and trying to push the zones. I could honestly see either one, or both, being wrong.
1 post I saw said that people with 2 weapons, aramusha, berserker, should be able to counter after they get light parried since their lights only use one weapon
I do this it's my fav way to play and I get to look at my coop cosmetics also when I boost I genuinely feel like I'm the sole reason my team won 😃
I see your (Freeze) point, and I agree that an extra teammate in ganks is generally more valuable than one boosting a point all game, but allow me to pull up some points on why people do this.
-People don't trust their teamates. In solo matchmaking, it's hard to coordinate a team objectively, so usually they just go around killing people and leave behind unprotected points. There were also times when my randoms were feeding the deathballing team at A, so I just camped C in hopes that they moved on. By the time my teammates gave up on feeding them, we still had a chance of winning because I farmed C and B.
-Another reason is because the player sucks. One of my friends is new to the game, and she struggles against the people I matchmake with her (I'm a much higher rep than her). We tell her to sit the point, because she becomes a liability in ganks, feeds people revenge, and cannot hold her own against most people. We opted to let her take a defensive playstyle by camping points, and so far it has worked out fairly well in both the enjoyment and strategy of each game. If she encounters someone, we rush back and help her as she holds them off.
-It's actually a viable strategy. I know you (Freeze) literally said that camping a zone is more of a detriment than a help, and I agree, but sometimes it's for the better. Having a boosted zone all game is a huge benefit to the team score wise. IF your team is capable of 3v4ing the enemy team (via revenege gain, seperating them, deathballing, etc.), then it would actually help more by boosting a zone and leaving them to their own devices.
To be honest, boosting a zone the entire game or not is not an individual problem, but is rather part of the bigger question, "What should I be doing right now?" If your team has control of the map, is absolutely destroying the enemy themselves, find you more problematic than useful in fights, or is just so incompetent that you need to carry your team point-wise to stay in the game, than staying at a point(s) instead of helping the team is completely viable.
However, like you've (Freeze) said, if the team needs help in a critical gank that they're struggling with, need help capping points, or anything else that needs additional assistance that you are capable of doing, than you should leave and help.
It's all about what you should be doing in reaction to the current situation, not cemented rules on how long you stay at a point. If you need to camp or help, do it to the benefit of your team. Thank you for listening to my Tedx talk.
I had a match where my entire team was just camping point A(not sure if they were trolling or not) and I was the only one running around. I was able to clear mid pretty easily since I was lawbro and I tried to secure C. I basically lost every fight tho and it became a cat and mouse game where I clear mid then grab C when the other team is distracted, then get pushed out of C like 2 min later when the whole team come charging in at me.
Were they a clan or have the same character?
Also if you’re boosting a point try your best to keep the fight off the point to squeeze out a few more points and also keep the advantage of healing while they try to worm their way in
You would think it was obvious. Thats what I've been doing since the game released, but some people cant seem to grasp the importance of moving around the map capturing & holding B.
As a raider main my strategy is:
Clearing B until i have my third feat
if my teammates need assistance on a zone i'll help as much as i can. If we succed i'll head back to B and keep clearing the minions until i have third feat.
I only boost the zone when i need healing.
So far it has worked pretty well. I'm contribute to my team and helping out as much as i can.
It's definitely frustrating when people sit on a point, though I'm less inclined to be annoyed by it if the map is something like Sanctuary Bridge and they are sitting in the 'home' point for the other team, since the other team tend to throw throw themselves at that point. Also not so annoying if it's A point on The Shard, since that just seems to be where pretty much *all* the fights happen. I'll just bounce between B and C then to keep them clear and capped.
My boi freeze uploading at 5am
3:58 I feel bad for your ally there.
Thanks for this. I’m tired of trying to convince campers that they don’t know how to be a good team mate.
It's common knowledge that even if you can't clear mid, you still have teamfighting potential, so expecting your teammates to do all the fighting for you is not only hurting yourself and your own experience but also hurting your teammates as well. It doesn't mean don't boost especially if you don't have the kit to clear out minions quickly, just don't sit there all game, lookf or something to occupy your hero and their particular skill set. Anti-Backcap, teamfights/gank, and switching and opponent around could help out quite a bit as long as your teammates are rotating properly.
All in all, before even watching the video I can already tell you that this is just a good example to follow, you don't have to and you can play the way you like, but ultimately everybody knowing the strat is gonna help out allot, especially in full random lobbies.
Hey freeze I’ve been extremely unsure about something for a while and I can’t shake if you made a video on it or not and have no friends to test it with, but does the conqueror feat affect how many points are gained by boosting a point in dominion? I know it’s a substantial, almost essential feat in breach. But is it even useful in dominion at all?
It doesn't affect how many points per second in dominion. It's 1 or 2 points still. Boosts last like 10 or 15 seconds longer, and zones are taken proly like 1 second faster. Pretty much a useless feat. Taking points in breach just got sped up too in a recent patch.
mykotman ps4 that’s depressing, I been running it like every game cause I was almost certain it made things faster ;-;
1:05 was golden
What about the time it takes to reach where the fight is going on? The best strategy I think is when no one else is on a zone, you get a free capture. And usually in half a minute or so, someone comes to contest you.
Freezes advice, while sound, is very oversimplified. If people keep contesting you for that point, then stay on it. If people are contesting you for that point because they're slaughtering your team and have full control over all the other points, it might be a good idea to help out instead
It's extra dumb when you have two teammates in a party that camp in a zone during a whole game TOGETHER. They are emoting each other while me and another teammate fighting 2 or 3 enemies all the time. The urge to quite the match when that happens is unreal.
Chill out. They're just having fun. If you have that much of a problem with that, you can just send them a message later letting them know your side of the story and ask them to change politely. Often times when I emote spam with someone, they're a random. I rarely stay at the same point all game but I've stayed just to emote spam a few times.
I play an rare playstyle, The bard. I help out teammates, if they ask, or i see them beeing attacked by multible enemies.
Also I hate ganking, and will refrain from doing so, if I see that the fight is fair.
If you hate ganking, you probably shouldn't be playing dominion.
Josh Davis that why i play ranked and duels the most.
@@kompadrekane7159 Smart move.
If someone watches me fight a guy on a point im just leaving as its pretty clear you have no intention of winning
How I usually play it when I play is I hold a point and boost it and occasionally rotate where needed. Most but not all of my focus is on that key point
How I usually see teams are two point holders and a mid clearer and a rotating/backup mid clear
Ima link this to everyone that I see boost points all game to this video. A couple days ago my and my friend were just wanting to play and the other two were just sitting on our point, I was pissed. I knew we were going to lose. I would be fine if one person was on the point because we were on Sanctuary Bridge.
You play on xbox? I think i was in that match lol my team won.. This is prob jus a coincidence but who knows
@@wardedman12 definatly a coincidence. I play on ps4.
This may only be me but when i boost i always juggle one of the zones and the minion lane, but theres also when some enemies try to back cap and so i also end with decent kills (8-25) depending on how much they want me dead, but i also only boost with heavies.
Yup, heroes like shugoki and warlord are made for zoneboosting, conq is made for capturing points, while BP and JJ are more made for supporting.
what if you are boosting a point but a enemy constantly comes back every time you kill them
I keep thinking of this video because the topic gets me upset too much. They should implement a basic tutorial that tells you how 4 is the greater number than 3.
Once I had a guy in voice chat all game boosting A in Temple Garden as he complained that we were garbage teammates as we lost team fight after team fight, gank after gank... Then after the end of the game I politely messaged him and said: "C'mon man, why did you shower us with insults as you did nothing but sit at A all game?" He messaged back saying there is nothing he could do, he was number one so it means he was the best and reiterated that everyone but him was garbage... I completely agree boosting is a bad strat, unless I am ordered to do so in a premade team, then I do it to be respectful of whoever gave the order...
After I capture a zone I wait a couple of seconds to make sure that nobody is coming, and boost the zone for a second.
But I’m not sitting there all game. That’s just stupid
Hey Freeze, you think you can drop a video on what the term, 'reactable/unreactable' actually means? Not just for me, but for everyone. I know you did reactability videos before, but a fresh and updated one (especially due to the recent Testing Grounds stuff) would be great.
From what I've seen around the web, people seem to have completely different ideas of what it means and it's infuriating how off some of them can be. Some people seem to think that '*UN*reactable' means 'so fast you can't even move your guard fast enough', where others mean it's just fast enough that it isn't a free parry/punish every time. This mostly pertains to mix-ups that don't involve something innately unblockable, as you always have the option to block those (which is easier than parrying).
I'm tired of misconceptions of what unreactable even means, especially the '33% chance to block because 3 directions' example a LOT of people are somehow *still* throwing around. I know this sounds convoluted but to try and provide a proper example, a lot of people still think the recent Testing Grounds changes turn the game into a complete guessing game (at *all* times) so fast you can't even block *ANYTHING* without guessing, which is a load of garbage. I'd love something to help put everyone on the same page and help stop misuse of the terminology. Again, long winded and confusing question but I hope it sort of makes sense.
Gotta say im enjoying the corona-inspired upload schedule
Did that shinobi just deflect..... aint he suppose to have an automatic deflect attack XD 1:55
The shinobi was out of stamina
@@mykotman9406ohh didnt see that
This video has motivated me to play conquer as much as it pains me
I'm having quite a bit of fun with him :)
I’ll do better
what boosting is bad? :0 (tell that to my random team mates)
Should really watch the video. Boosting is NOT bad. ONLY boosting, and not doing anything else, is bad. Boosting should be done whenever possible and it's not to the detriment of your team.
You didn’t mention that two people on the zone will not make the boost better. The worst thing could happen to you if two or more people are staying in one zone the whole match
Idk if this is bad but when I play doom with a full squad is 1 person on the 2 player zones 1 for each and 1 person roaming and 1 minion lane in order to be close to both
Nope, mind not changed. Its an objective game mode, not team deathmatch. Goal is to reach max points so you can win. Just because Im boosting all game doesn't automatically make it 3v4 for my team on the rest of the map. I usually have 1, sometimes 2, enemies who insists on taking my zone and will keep coming back to me over and over everytime they spawn. So im boosting most of the match, while still getting kills and team is fighting 3v3 or even 3v2 on the rest of the map.
just because your opponents are doing even more stupid shit, doesn't mean your behaviour suddenly is any less stupid.
Serious question. Let’s say for example we are playing on temple garden and the C point is consistently being contested and changing hands every minute or so while the mid point is not as hectic as C but being cleared again every now and again.
With point gain being inconsistent under these circumstances, would it be beneficial to capture A if you see its undefended and defend A for the game unless you see the mid point is captured by the other team or you see a huge 3 v 4 team fight?
I never leave capture points when I play Jorm. He's too strong when ganked along with how "heavies" contribute to the team with having to anchor points.
Once again you fill my head with knowledge that I was oblivious too. Thankyou sir
The problem why people boost is a bit difrent in my experience
Lower rank players HATE the fact that minions knock you out of executions and deal quite a lot of damage if you don't watch out and that makes fighting in the mid lane a lot less enjoyable than fighting on a point
>palette is completely one colour that is not related to either team colour
What even is team recognition nowadays in For Honor. At least from a distance.
Overvaluing group fights loses more games than overvaluing boosting. If someone is just waiting to leave and back cap as soon as you join the group fight there's no point in going. Putting points on the board is more valuable than winning a group fight until you're breaking. Your team in the 3v4 just has to cover each other, stick in their minions and fight their minions off the line. If they do that, they will have the point advantage. The comp community can't seem to adapt to any strategy that isn't just outnumber and gank your opponent. It's an overvalued strategy. If you leave the boosted point you're risking an even bigger point disadvantage to now have 4 people clear the line instead of 3. If your team can't clear minions off the line in a 3v4 and give you the faster point gain while boosting, then there's not much hope of them winning a 4v4 group fight anyways. So what happens if you come off the point and lose a 4v4 anyways? You just lose the game faster.
Why am I up at 6am...
Still or already awake ?
@@modern.performer *YES*
@@calamari3064 lmao
I boost a point after I take mid then sit and boost while my friend kills minions then go and help him when people go near mid
Or when you see two point holding the same point while forcing me and the other teamate to do all the work while they spam emotes and get "high" kill games.
When I played I sat on a point until a teammate called for help. Cause if I leave a point unattended then the enemy would just simply capture it. I guard the point until someone releases me of my duties or I see the whole enemy team on the minion line or the other point. To make up for my absence, I always went for the point closest to the enemies to distract until my teammates captured the other point and/or cleared the minion lane. Was my strategy bad?
Me : Players are ganking me! I need support!
The teamate holding a point during all game and watchin in the distance: Continue! You are doing great!
Me: NOT THAT KIND OF SUPPORT DAMNI...*Dies*
good vid, but I think thats too much for random lobby to handle. Especially when enemies still sometimes like to doomstack and win all fights, but loose the game cause of points. Also: regenerate in dom? Is that really the best 4th feat for conq?