Why this OBSCURE Clone Wars Battle was CRITICAL to Palpatine's Plan - The Battle of Cartao

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  • @dartharbiter2334
    @dartharbiter2334 2 года назад +189

    they communicate by changing colours?
    imagine if you saw a giant group of them all chatting like mad you'd probably think you were high

    • @geetslys
      @geetslys  2 года назад +41

      It would be an insane trip 😂

    • @AngelDust6969
      @AngelDust6969 2 года назад +11

      The result of using death sticks.

    • @thalmoragent9344
      @thalmoragent9344 Год назад +1

      Or they all suddenly look at you sideways and turn a dark red 😅
      You'd understand that for sure

  • @SpaceMonkeyBoi
    @SpaceMonkeyBoi 2 года назад +70

    Palpatine is essentially the old man playing chess with himself in the PIXAR short

  • @Alec11_43
    @Alec11_43 2 года назад +126

    Interestingly, while palpatine’s spirit surviving and inhabiting clone bodies was never officially retconned, many EU writers chose to ignore it, paint it in broad strokes, and even suggest through multiple characters’ belief that they were simply clones and nothing more(including Timothy Zahn himself through Mara Jade in the “Hand of Thrawn”). I guess they wanted to give people the personal choice to accept it or ignore it, which is nice.

    • @michaelandreipalon359
      @michaelandreipalon359 2 года назад +27

      Yeah, that's the good thing about Legends... it can give you the proper headcanons if you want.

    • @sambridgers9543
      @sambridgers9543 2 года назад +3

      @@michaelandreipalon359 Even Lumiya felt that the Sith Order ended with Palpatine's death at Endor, with his clones being posers.

    • @thalmoragent9344
      @thalmoragent9344 Год назад +1

      ​@@michaelandreipalon359
      Amen. Legends is like a mini Star Wars multiverse of it's own

  • @KingFlameHawk
    @KingFlameHawk 2 года назад +72

    That feeling when your playing 4D chess and your opponent is playing 5D.

    • @geetslys
      @geetslys  2 года назад +16

      That is when you know you lost 😂

    • @chichibala
      @chichibala 2 года назад +6

      Not only is he playing 5D chess, but he’s playing against himself, both because he is the only one skilled enough to play, and because he’s that good he can play himself

    • @topdog5252
      @topdog5252 2 года назад +3

      @@chichibala he’s literally like a super-intelligent AI with his plans. It’s crazy

  • @indianajones4321
    @indianajones4321 2 года назад +138

    Palpatine: Yeah Spaarti Cloning, Yeah Science!

  • @Degenevesting
    @Degenevesting 2 года назад +182

    Legends is canon. Only certain disney era products are also canon.

    • @nacholukaszewicz503
      @nacholukaszewicz503 2 года назад +36

      @Enigma6344 Legends are as real as you want them to be. I consider disney movies legends, and don't believe they were true.

    • @cornman6262
      @cornman6262 2 года назад +19

      Yeah, what was that “sequel trilogy” it was wierd.

    • @personatthebay
      @personatthebay 2 года назад +1

      Yes

    • @nacholukaszewicz503
      @nacholukaszewicz503 2 года назад +14

      @@cornman6262 i mean, palpatine returning for no reason? Clearly just a legend

    • @widowswine7994
      @widowswine7994 2 года назад

      No there are SIGNIFICANT differnces between george lucas canon and legends they are called legends for a reason

  • @hunterkiller1440
    @hunterkiller1440 2 года назад +175

    Now I don't know if this is Legends or Canon with the Palpatine clones.

    • @amanzeihedioha
      @amanzeihedioha 2 года назад +9

      Legends or Expended Universe.

    • @Alec11_43
      @Alec11_43 2 года назад +17

      That used to be one of the big differences, as well as something that people used to hold Disney canon higher over the EU/Legends. It’s funny how things have changed so drastically since then, funny and crushing.

    • @hunterkiller1440
      @hunterkiller1440 2 года назад +14

      @@Alec11_43 I despised the Palpatine clones saga, it's like Disney wanted me to hate their Canon.

    • @yourboishitposts
      @yourboishitposts 2 года назад +17

      @@hunterkiller1440 everything is canon other than the sequel trilogy

    • @maxxor-overworldhero6730
      @maxxor-overworldhero6730 2 года назад +2

      @@yourboishitposts Solo is dead to people as well.

  • @zexalbrony4799
    @zexalbrony4799 2 года назад +66

    Normally, when people like Kinnman Dorian are working for either Palpatine or Sideous on secret missions during the Clone Wars I assume they don't know the full plan or extent of what there doing just to be on the safe side. If they fail they can't rat out the master plan because they themselves have no idea of it: If you want a massive coup or something to work you have to make sure as few people who will be helping do it know the true plan that way there are no leaks and they are helping without knowing it. Like how most Kaminos didn't know the full extent of Order 66, even the higher up Kaminos probably didn't know that all the Chips and Order would be activated and given all at once. Or like how that Munn Senator and Embo helped Sideous out with his plan to take over the banks in Season 6 of The Clone Wars.
    But given the unique situation, Kinnman was in, I'm pretty sure Palpatine mostly kept him in the dark because he thought it was funny.

  • @LMG1792
    @LMG1792 2 года назад +45

    Person: is it possible to learn these legends stories
    Long time Star Wars fan: not from a mouse

    • @jeremydale4548
      @jeremydale4548 Год назад

      Funny that Disney DECANONIZED everything, and then went on to say there was no source material. (If I recall correctly.)
      Disney Star Wars has been average at worst. (Which is WAY better than most are saying it seems) but they DID, and STILL DO Have YEARS of source material to draw from. Decanonizing it was a mistake.

  • @xminusone1
    @xminusone1 2 года назад +18

    Weyland hith a "e" is a reference to Prometheus. "Building better world"

  • @nickvinsable3798
    @nickvinsable3798 2 года назад +10

    I’m more curious about Republic operations that no one else but Palpatine knew about; Jedi weren’t involved & such, until it was too late & such…

  • @samuelbulow5291
    @samuelbulow5291 2 года назад +96

    After rewatching the bad batch, a weird question hit me (completely unrelated to this video).
    What purpose do bow style weapons, like the ones used by the nightsisters and omega, serve? Are they better in some ways? Or are they just there for some sort of 'cool' factor?
    Wouldn't complain if it's just that last reason 😁

    • @grayski3324
      @grayski3324 2 года назад +32

      I would say that they have the 'cool' factor but I also assume that those things don't overheat. It's also a good way of training your arm strength.

    • @evanschneidau4818
      @evanschneidau4818 2 года назад +24

      Maybe they're quieter, but I don't know for sure.

    • @geetslys
      @geetslys  2 года назад +40

      I'm not too sure. Let's just say they look cool 😂

    • @michaelandreipalon359
      @michaelandreipalon359 2 года назад +8

      Maybe the bows actually recharge.

    • @oberfeldwebelhans7652
      @oberfeldwebelhans7652 2 года назад +22

      I think that's just how different cultures developed their energy weapons.

  • @bogustoast22none25
    @bogustoast22none25 2 года назад +6

    “A battle you probably haven’t even heard of”
    Most people on this channel: try me

  • @Fleechin
    @Fleechin 2 года назад +17

    "Instead resembling a massive weed patch"
    Maybe they weren't just cloning in that place, yknow

    • @BillyBasd
      @BillyBasd 2 года назад +2

      One can clone plants, silly. It's REALLY REALLY easy

  • @CT5555_
    @CT5555_ 2 года назад +16

    I have thought no thoughts for myself, "Yes Lord sidious"...

  • @Michael-fm8xx
    @Michael-fm8xx 2 года назад +8

    That Hondo clip just made the video for me lmao. Awesome vid! I never heard of this and its really cool to see play out

  • @shawngiver5570
    @shawngiver5570 2 года назад +33

    Still want a live action battle of jabim
    Bring on the nimbus commandoes!

    • @geetslys
      @geetslys  2 года назад +8

      That would actually be a really cool battle to see in live-action!

    • @isaackim7675
      @isaackim7675 2 года назад +3

      For some reason I’m picturing Clone Commandos flying on the Nimbus 2000 into battle

    • @michaelandreipalon359
      @michaelandreipalon359 2 года назад +2

      Hmm, clones riding Nimbuses, Cleansweeps, and Firebolts... awesome.
      They better be magical girl clones though. Renata Corps, ready the vats... I recommend using Twilight Sparkle, Sakura Kinomoto, and "Alpha Bravo" (the initials would be a dead ringer, in case you watch a certain Disney cartoon lately) DNA.

    • @michaelandreipalon359
      @michaelandreipalon359 2 года назад +1

      Just don't use the Shooting Stars. Those things slow down terribly with age.

  • @marshalllatta2073
    @marshalllatta2073 2 года назад +28

    Palpatine is the greatest movie villain he is so freaking intelligent

    • @davidordaz5251
      @davidordaz5251 2 года назад +3

      And yet he always gets his electricity slapped into his face three times lol

    • @abraham2172
      @abraham2172 Год назад

      Yeah, at least in "Legends", not in the disney crap.

  • @kirkbolas4985
    @kirkbolas4985 2 года назад +14

    Yes…more Zahn based stories please.

  • @michaelandreipalon359
    @michaelandreipalon359 2 года назад +19

    Ah, yes, the Sepper military is using 1D chess, the Sepper leaders are using 2D chess, Dooku is using 3D chess, Doriana is using 4D chess, Palpatine is using 5D chess, and the Force/Celestials are using 6D chess. What's next, the Multiverse doing 7D?
    Say, where does this Battle of Cartao come from?

  • @inquisitorichijou883
    @inquisitorichijou883 2 года назад +6

    Palpatine was playing 4D chess by making others think that they were playing 4D chess.

  • @zerostatical9851
    @zerostatical9851 2 года назад +13

    Hey @Geetsly's I just wanted to say that I am new to ur channel. Butt I am loving it. The itro brings back soooo many memorys. I played the OG battlefront all my child hood. Those noises give my chills. Keep it up.

  • @amanzeihedioha
    @amanzeihedioha 2 года назад +18

    Kinda sounds like your saying Cartel. Planet Cartel, the hidden gem world of fluids.

  • @carsonscott4939
    @carsonscott4939 2 года назад +4

    You’re killing it man I watch your stuff every night before falling asleep👌🏽👌🏽

  • @christianvincentcostanilla8428
    @christianvincentcostanilla8428 2 года назад +3

    The first old Star Wars legends :
    Star wars the splinter of the minds eye by Alan Dean Foster

  • @indianajones4321
    @indianajones4321 2 года назад +8

    Aye! I finally made comment of the week! Thanks Geetsly’s! 👍

  • @Furonanator139
    @Furonanator139 Год назад

    I'm glad anytime you decide to quote Hando, honestly just character and personality wise he's one of my favorite's

  • @TANKTheImmortal
    @TANKTheImmortal 2 года назад +1

    The hondo clip you threw in there made this already great content 100x better

  • @Americandragonrider333.
    @Americandragonrider333. 2 года назад +1

    I always wondered where the Spaarti cloning came from.
    Now I know, thank you.

  • @smeagol-bp3wr
    @smeagol-bp3wr 2 года назад +1

    6:36 bro I was so confused I wasn't looking and I thought it somehow went to a different video

  • @Sov-Ryn15
    @Sov-Ryn15 2 года назад +4

    You can NOT have a video without Hando Onaka in it. 6:35

  • @eyescream8743
    @eyescream8743 2 года назад +1

    These kind of videos are why I love this channel. Thank you!!!

  • @chaoticdragons9990
    @chaoticdragons9990 2 года назад

    Awesome vid bro! Loved every moment of it.

  • @SsoupTime
    @SsoupTime 2 года назад +2

    Jedi Knight Jayford Toles looks like he wants pictures of spider man

  • @JERRYC3539
    @JERRYC3539 2 года назад

    Very interesting. Thank you for the information.

  • @wizard_of_poz4413
    @wizard_of_poz4413 2 года назад +1

    That thumb looked like the tie factory from the force unleashed

  • @lifevest1
    @lifevest1 2 года назад +4

    To this day I still loved reading about the financial audit discussed in the RC books about the secret army.

  • @ramblinnernd5905
    @ramblinnernd5905 2 года назад

    5:53 “You don’t seem to understand, Cartau, isn’t yours to conquer.”

  • @ramblinnernd5905
    @ramblinnernd5905 2 года назад

    That outro, so ominous, so beautiful.

  • @reyvilla6994
    @reyvilla6994 2 года назад +1

    4-d chess references always make me smile

  • @yes.elevens3688
    @yes.elevens3688 2 года назад +1

    When the reference to my man hondu happened I laughed

  • @vinogr00nko93
    @vinogr00nko93 2 года назад +6

    the line "cloning, the secret only sith new" sounds even more stupid now

  • @oberfeldwebelhans7652
    @oberfeldwebelhans7652 2 года назад +3

    Love that background music.

  • @MkJamm
    @MkJamm 2 года назад +44

    I would assume all battles in the Clone Wars was critical for Palpatine’s plans 🤔

    • @geetslys
      @geetslys  2 года назад +15

      Most of them would be, but some were more crucial than others.

    • @bspgamingfan218
      @bspgamingfan218 2 года назад +2

      And the rest were not in the plan

    • @Thehomelessathlete
      @Thehomelessathlete 2 года назад +4

      No probably no every single battle. We can assume that the poly armoured characters are the more orchestral protagonists. I mean he obviously manipulated the confederacy to use bad tactics to allow the war to continue.

    • @loganksu8981
      @loganksu8981 2 года назад +2

      Not the battle with ya mums ass. She was only one of palpatines concubines

  • @erenyeager3095
    @erenyeager3095 2 года назад +2

    This just proved that a clone is a clone is a clone

  • @neewb2723
    @neewb2723 2 года назад

    Hands down yes to more videos

  • @ChiefKBNo
    @ChiefKBNo 2 года назад +6

    LETS GOO

  • @smeagol-bp3wr
    @smeagol-bp3wr 2 года назад +2

    8:38 *spits out coffee*

  • @galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478
    @galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478 2 года назад +7

    Palpatine: Bibidi babidi cloning is now my property.

  • @cluemeinn
    @cluemeinn 2 года назад +4

    Bro can u pls make a vid on what if Palpatine kept the clones for empire?

  • @wafagdplqs4421
    @wafagdplqs4421 2 года назад +1

    Very very interesting !

  • @imdavidbaby
    @imdavidbaby 2 года назад

    Oh yeah, mount Tantus huhh lol😭 8:55

  • @christianvincentcostanilla8428
    @christianvincentcostanilla8428 2 года назад +3

    Revive Old Star Wars legends

  • @christopherhanton6611
    @christopherhanton6611 2 года назад

    very good video could you do a video about Mount Tantiss.

  • @damage_inc86425
    @damage_inc86425 2 года назад

    2:31 peep that MTG card!!

  • @cameronbutler5802
    @cameronbutler5802 2 года назад

    You’re probably my favorite Star Wars RUclips channel

  • @eidolon-0696
    @eidolon-0696 6 месяцев назад

    Hot take: Tup was a Spaarti clone. He got sprinkled into the 501st before Umbara, which was well after the cylinders were acquired. Could be a reason for why his chip failed. I know that the chips open a whole can of worms when it comes to the continuity, but it could be a viable scenario.

  • @TenchiBushi
    @TenchiBushi 2 года назад

    More T. Zahn stories please!

  • @BashMastache
    @BashMastache 2 года назад

    “Cloning. Secrets only the Sith knew.”

  • @chuckiedoesyourmom
    @chuckiedoesyourmom 2 года назад +2

    All the stories. All of them.

  • @markredden311
    @markredden311 2 года назад +1

    Would you consider doing a video on the book Shadows of the Empire? That's a bit of legends that seems to have been forgotten or ignored. Thanks in advance.

  • @MBP1918
    @MBP1918 2 года назад

    Nice video

  • @maxxor-overworldhero6730
    @maxxor-overworldhero6730 2 года назад

    Now that I think about it, do you have a video about Coruscant's moons?

  • @dewdrop2470
    @dewdrop2470 2 года назад +1

    Lets go kamino down with the spaarti

  • @thrawn3236
    @thrawn3236 6 месяцев назад

    As I Recall The Jedi Master listed in this video was killed on Outbound Flight. His Clone was the Guardian.

  • @capitancoolness942
    @capitancoolness942 2 года назад

    That thumbnail looks like the endor map in bf1 2015

  • @LordMorde
    @LordMorde 2 года назад +2

    sounds like death note music in the bg.

  • @EruptBlackman
    @EruptBlackman 2 года назад

    Yes I would like to hear more from Timothy zahm

  • @booki7057
    @booki7057 2 года назад

    I guess these spaarti clone cylinders would explain why his clone body was so fucked up in rise of skywalker, nice :)

  • @adamolupin
    @adamolupin 2 года назад

    More Zahn please!

  • @Mizzle420420
    @Mizzle420420 2 года назад

    What was the more cartoon looking clone wars show? I seem to recall a non-GGI animated show. I think it was the same animation style as Samurai Jaxk

  • @gimpytheimp
    @gimpytheimp Год назад +1

    So how could Palpatine's essence get all the way to Biss to go inside a new clone body when he got blown up on the other side of the galaxy? From what I know, Sith cannot maintain their essence after death and must essence transfer to a new host before death.

    • @jeremydale4548
      @jeremydale4548 Год назад +1

      That's probably what he did. Transfer before death.
      We don't kow how fast one could transfer

  • @richroll9894
    @richroll9894 Месяц назад

    Don’t think we didn’t notice your pronunciation of Tantis as “Taint-is”

  • @FirstNameLastName-tg3rc
    @FirstNameLastName-tg3rc 2 года назад +2

    (0:33) What was said in the Bad Batch that covered that?

  • @jaredquinney204
    @jaredquinney204 2 года назад +1

    Never even heard of this battle

  • @darthsquid2107
    @darthsquid2107 2 года назад +1

    Why have I never heard of a "bad batch" until recently? Is it another extension to Disney Wars?

  • @AtodaK
    @AtodaK 2 года назад

    Not directly related to the battle, but the possession of a massive clone army would also have it a lot easier to justify an ongoing war against the separatists. After all none of the senators who approved the ongoing hostilities were going to have to deal with grieving parents of the soldiers, it would have been much easier to exploit grieving families of civilians who were killed as a result of the war because those deaths would make it much simpler to constantly remind the public about the evils of the separatist forces.

  • @bwc-chvd
    @bwc-chvd 2 года назад

    its looks like one of those battlefront 2005 mods

  • @firetop-cn8vb
    @firetop-cn8vb 2 года назад

    Yes

  • @pokebreeder2517
    @pokebreeder2517 2 года назад

    so this place could build anythings? even something like a small core that could construct itself into a starforge like station?

  • @dartharbiter2334
    @dartharbiter2334 2 года назад +2

    yeeessss the meme the meme!!!!!!!!!

  • @NRAllen
    @NRAllen 2 года назад +5

    Actually C'bouth wasn't the original guardian, he really did kill the first one before Heir

  • @CloneScavengerVulpin8389
    @CloneScavengerVulpin8389 2 года назад

    Clone troopers are awesome

  • @Mr._Chunk
    @Mr._Chunk 2 года назад

    Yay Mount Taintus

  • @eldercolon1745
    @eldercolon1745 2 года назад +1

    What about battles that were lost but if won, would have been beneficial...

  • @hikersteel2043
    @hikersteel2043 2 года назад

    This kinda means that the clone and droid armys were equal in numbers. Eventually!

  • @bengrogan1992
    @bengrogan1992 2 года назад +1

    Lower cost droids ? Week .

  • @jamiewalsh3349
    @jamiewalsh3349 2 года назад

    Clones go to Byss in Legends. Clones go to Exegol in canon.

  • @darthvader2053
    @darthvader2053 2 года назад +2

    you most likely wont see my comment but could you make a video on darth malgus he is underrated

  • @ethanhoerr2924
    @ethanhoerr2924 2 года назад +4

    Could Howser from Bad Batch be a Spaarti clone given how he seems unaffected by the inhibitor chip?

  • @williambirkin6081
    @williambirkin6081 2 года назад

    Prototype Portal!?!?

  • @justanotherschmuck4149
    @justanotherschmuck4149 2 года назад +4

    wait, if the spaarti clone cylinders were destroyed with the remaining ones sent to palpatine, then how did the CIS get their hands on them for the battle of saleucami?

    • @jeremydale4548
      @jeremydale4548 Год назад

      Probably thievery against Palpatine's wishes

  • @themc.kennyshow6585
    @themc.kennyshow6585 2 года назад +3

    Hold on??? BILLIONS of clones? Definitely legends lore 😂

  • @macwade2755
    @macwade2755 Год назад

    This is Canon for me!

  • @michelecastellotti9172
    @michelecastellotti9172 2 года назад

    Hold up, Billions? Where did you get that number?
    Canon and legends numbers lists 3 MILLIONS tops, wich is dumb, but still, when was that changed?

    • @papapalps2415
      @papapalps2415 2 года назад

      Its always been billions or more. Even the most limited of brainpower and intelligent thought confirms as much, as does the entire era as a whole in its fundamental basis as a galaxy spanning war.

    • @michelecastellotti9172
      @michelecastellotti9172 2 года назад

      @@papapalps2415 dude, nowhere is losted a billions, i am the forst to say that 3 millions is a retarded number, especially when droids are confirmed as being quadrillions in some sources, but i cant find where billions is mentioned, i need the source

  • @nateosborne7361
    @nateosborne7361 2 года назад

    Why was the a mtg card In there

  • @garrymoloney9570
    @garrymoloney9570 2 года назад

    Wait I thought C’baoth killed the guardian and took over

  • @felixk1843
    @felixk1843 2 года назад +1

    Good story but 4:30 sounds like rubbish tbh
    Why would a cloning facility help the separatists turn out DROIDS faster lol

  • @goldeagle6431
    @goldeagle6431 2 года назад +1

    The Senate is CRITICAL to Star Wars.

  • @HybridRenoII
    @HybridRenoII 2 года назад

    Weyland-Yutani Corporation.....