The reason why the car didn't pass the the other car at 5:11 is because that car was still in gear and had it's break lights on and that is how they tell if the car is parked or not. You noticed that it went around when the break lights turned off
@@darthclide so what other indicators would you use then. Because if it's tied to the flashers and a car is waiting for a light at an intersection with the flashers on because of a heavy load of an oversized load or a slow vehicle or whatever the case may be. You fon't want the car tp go around it so what other indicators will you use
@@mthuhn Ummm you sort of answered your own question with your hypothetical? Because a heavy load or oversized load is distinguishable from a normal car/sedan/truck 100% of the time by humans. And Tesla FSD should be able to distinguish 99% of the time (1% for edge cases). Furthermore, this was not a slow vehicle, but a stopped vehicle. For many seconds mind you. Or I guess you could do the easier thing which is admit your software is nowhere close to level 4 or 5 autonomy if it can get stuck permanently behind a car with brakes + hazards. But Elon knows that would spawn lawsuits, so that won't happen anytime soon.
@@darthclide ahhh I've seen people drive with their flashers on for example a funeral or a car going slow do you want a robo taxi to pas them you always have to think about the safest move
11:09 More like "Tesla please train the car to accelerate firmly when it is its turn at a 4 way stop". If the Tesla had started inching forward as the black car made its turn, there would have been 0 confusion.
Yes! Next biggest milestone is Downtown Chicago. I'm afraid, at the moment, the car is too cautious/careful for a good/human-like downtown drive but we'll keep testing! Thanks for watching
Better every year, super impressive now, compared to my Lightning's Blue Cruise!. But sounds like it hasn't figured out how to miss pot holes, Do you ever worry about flats and rims and take over for that reason?
Bit sketchy in some areas like slow intersection reactions and awkward slowdowns. But I think playing safe without disengagement is what they're going for.
Looks like stop sign behaviour still needs to be more assertive so it enters and exits the intersection in a more assertive way. Does taking the car out of “chill” drive mode help at all?
Tesla CAN'T do the change due to NHSA's demand for them to stop at the stop sign. That can't be helped.......So, you wanting change to that and demands of NHSA's will override your request.
@@1flash3571 The vehicle doesn’t need to roll stop signs to be more assertive. I’m talking about reducing the time it takes to approach a stop sign/line and then quickly starting to move through the intersection when it is clearly your turn to go. Right now, there is just way too much time hesitating and confusing drivers around you. I would even suggest a mad max mode where the car will come to a complete stop earlier/faster when other cars are also approaching so that you can fast track your time to go before any other cars complete their stop.
I notice throughout the video the screen freezes and cars sometimes disappear. I have seen this on other V11 videos from different testers. Have you had a hard software crash yet?
L3 does not require the driver to monitor the drive, and allows a reasonable time for the driver to take over when conditions for engagement are no longer met-Mercedes allows 10 seconds. This is much easier to do at 40 MPH on precision-mapped highways where Mercedes Drive Pilot operates; much, much more difficult in a city environment, where the driver must occasionally take back control immediately, or at high speeds on a non-precision-mapped road or highway.
@@BigBen621 I often hear people say that L3 doesn’t require the driver’s immediate attention but that is not what I read when I look it up: “would enable the vehicle to handle "all aspects of the driving" when engaged but still need the driver attentive enough to promptly take control if necessary” To me that says that Tesla has achieved that.
@@jonathanlivingston7358 The difference is primarily in the time allowed for the driver to take back control when required. You didn't say where you looked this up; but the seminal document on levels of automation, SAE J3016 APR 2021 makes the following distinctions, in Table 2. Under Level 2, the driver must *supervise* FSD, and intervene as necessary to maintain operation of the vehicle. And the key statement is that the driver " *immediately* [takes over driving] whenever required or desired". If you have a Tesla with FSD, you're aware that this is quite dramatic; the display shows red hands on the steering wheel; there's a loud "beep beep beep" signal; and FSD disengages *immediately* . If you don't take over right away, the car just drifts along on its own. Under Level 3, there's no requirement for the driver to supervise FSD, but must be "receptive to a request to intervene and responds by [taking over driving] in a timely manner". So the driver doesn't have to continually monitor the system, but can't be asleep, either. And the system "[d]isengages *an appropriate time* after issuing a request to intervene", rather than immediately which the Level 2 FSD beta does. Mercedes has adopted 10 seconds as "an appropriate time", which you can see in the recent Drive Pilot videos; and it seems likely that this will become the de facto standard. So as I interpret the SAE standard, as long as FSD beta throws control back to the driver immediately when it chokes, it'll remain a Level 2 ADAS.
These stop sign intersections are way too slow now. In a major metro area when traffic is heavy, I would expect to be honked at constantly if I was letting Beta drive like this.
I think that won’t happen. Due to the recall of the NHTSA they were forced to implement that. A robot car has to follow the rules 100%. Most people will consider this long stop as an invitation to take the turn.
Stop recalculating the trip until it's done. You removed the stop and it was in the middle of the intersection when it finally got the new route. Then it did it's best to get back on track. Otherwise. Your videos are great!
While I agree with you, I believe we will find that all the autonomous driving systems will drive very slowly and take longer to make decisions. This is exactly what Waymo and Cruise do in San Francisco. In fact in comparison drives FSD actually completes the drive significantly faster than those two systems.. Hopefully over time FSD will be more assertive but for now we probably should anticipate slowness.
The reason why the car didn't pass the the other car at 5:11 is because that car was still in gear and had it's break lights on and that is how they tell if the car is parked or not. You noticed that it went around when the break lights turned off
So.... still improper behavior since it should have seen the hazards. So many things that FSD still can't see or interpret.
@@darthclide so what other indicators would you use then. Because if it's tied to the flashers and a car is waiting for a light at an intersection with the flashers on because of a heavy load of an oversized load or a slow vehicle or whatever the case may be. You fon't want the car tp go around it so what other indicators will you use
@@mthuhn Ummm you sort of answered your own question with your hypothetical? Because a heavy load or oversized load is distinguishable from a normal car/sedan/truck 100% of the time by humans. And Tesla FSD should be able to distinguish 99% of the time (1% for edge cases). Furthermore, this was not a slow vehicle, but a stopped vehicle. For many seconds mind you.
Or I guess you could do the easier thing which is admit your software is nowhere close to level 4 or 5 autonomy if it can get stuck permanently behind a car with brakes + hazards. But Elon knows that would spawn lawsuits, so that won't happen anytime soon.
@@darthclide ahhh I've seen people drive with their flashers on for example a funeral or a car going slow do you want a robo taxi to pas them you always have to think about the safest move
@@darthclide and if that car pulled out because it could have been in gear in the middle of the Tesla going around it then what would happen
11:09 More like "Tesla please train the car to accelerate firmly when it is its turn at a 4 way stop". If the Tesla had started inching forward as the black car made its turn, there would have been 0 confusion.
Awesome latest video. Always enjoy your posts... very challenging situations. If FSD can get around Chicago, it can go ANYWHERE.
Yes! Next biggest milestone is Downtown Chicago. I'm afraid, at the moment, the car is too cautious/careful for a good/human-like downtown drive but we'll keep testing! Thanks for watching
Budapest: hold my beer. :D
New York City: hold my gin and tonic.
London: Hold my tea.
Paris: Hold my croissant
Wouldn’t have been a proper vid without the honk :) Thanks for the drive sir.
Good to see you back. Best wishes from the UK.
Thanks Frenchie, could you test it through the downtown underground structures?
It looks like the visualization cuts out a lot - hopefully an easy fix in next point update
I Love this video ,so I just subscribed to your channel ❤💯💢
Thanks for subbing!
The long wait sitting behind the vehicle with flashing lights might have been shortened if the “minimal lane change” option was off?
Maybe. I will try next time
For voice up on the stalk to disengage.
I think it's the fact that my destination was too close. It works fine if destination is a bit further out. I'll know now.
@@FrenchieFSD to report by voice you have to disengage with the stalk not the brake.
When someone honks at you the car should take notice and send a recording
Better every year, super impressive now, compared to my Lightning's Blue Cruise!. But sounds like it hasn't figured out how to miss pot holes, Do you ever worry about flats and rims and take over for that reason?
When I’m not recording, I take over every time when I see a pothole. Chicago roads are really bad
Bit sketchy in some areas like slow intersection reactions and awkward slowdowns. But I think playing safe without disengagement is what they're going for.
Guessing Tesla can’t go wide release until they have the visualization locking fixed.
Looks like stop sign behaviour still needs to be more assertive so it enters and exits the intersection in a more assertive way. Does taking the car out of “chill” drive mode help at all?
Tesla CAN'T do the change due to NHSA's demand for them to stop at the stop sign. That can't be helped.......So, you wanting change to that and demands of NHSA's will override your request.
@@1flash3571 The vehicle doesn’t need to roll stop signs to be more assertive. I’m talking about reducing the time it takes to approach a stop sign/line and then quickly starting to move through the intersection when it is clearly your turn to go. Right now, there is just way too much time hesitating and confusing drivers around you. I would even suggest a mad max mode where the car will come to a complete stop earlier/faster when other cars are also approaching so that you can fast track your time to go before any other cars complete their stop.
FRENCHIE!!!;)🎈🎈🎈🥧
That's downtown? Where's all the traffic?
I'm guessing it's a Saturday morning. During the week it's pretty busy in that area.
It's actually not downtown. It's a neighborhood right next to DT. It's called West Loop. This wasn't too busy indeed.
I notice throughout the video the screen freezes and cars sometimes disappear. I have seen this on other V11 videos from different testers. Have you had a hard software crash yet?
9:15 why does it lose the visualization?
Rendering bug most likely, but FSD continues to work. Visualizations run independently from FSD.
Shouldn’t Tesla now be classified as level 3 autonomous drive? What’s missing?
Not sure about regulations but my opinion is that we shouldn't be too far from L3 on highway.
L3 does not require the driver to monitor the drive, and allows a reasonable time for the driver to take over when conditions for engagement are no longer met-Mercedes allows 10 seconds. This is much easier to do at 40 MPH on precision-mapped highways where Mercedes Drive Pilot operates; much, much more difficult in a city environment, where the driver must occasionally take back control immediately, or at high speeds on a non-precision-mapped road or highway.
@@BigBen621 I often hear people say that L3 doesn’t require the driver’s immediate attention but that is not what I read when I look it up: “would enable the vehicle to handle "all aspects of the driving" when engaged but still need the driver attentive enough to promptly take control if necessary”
To me that says that Tesla has achieved that.
@@jonathanlivingston7358 The difference is primarily in the time allowed for the driver to take back control when required. You didn't say where you looked this up; but the seminal document on levels of automation, SAE J3016 APR 2021 makes the following distinctions, in Table 2.
Under Level 2, the driver must *supervise* FSD, and intervene as necessary to maintain operation of the vehicle. And the key statement is that the driver " *immediately* [takes over driving] whenever required or desired". If you have a Tesla with FSD, you're aware that this is quite dramatic; the display shows red hands on the steering wheel; there's a loud "beep beep beep" signal; and FSD disengages *immediately* . If you don't take over right away, the car just drifts along on its own.
Under Level 3, there's no requirement for the driver to supervise FSD, but must be "receptive to a request to intervene and responds by [taking over driving] in a timely manner". So the driver doesn't have to continually monitor the system, but can't be asleep, either. And the system "[d]isengages *an appropriate time* after issuing a request to intervene", rather than immediately which the Level 2 FSD beta does. Mercedes has adopted 10 seconds as "an appropriate time", which you can see in the recent Drive Pilot videos; and it seems likely that this will become the de facto standard.
So as I interpret the SAE standard, as long as FSD beta throws control back to the driver immediately when it chokes, it'll remain a Level 2 ADAS.
I bought fsd and it doesn’t do anything different than the normal autopilot. Wtf
Have you turned it on? In the car go to settings (car icon on bottom left), click autopilot, make sure Full Self Driving is on
I would not drive my Model 3 Performance with 20" wheels and PS4S tires there.
First! Did those 4-way stops feel slower than 10.69.x series to you? Maybe Tesla is just being super cautious until 11.3.2, etc. Thank you!
Thanks Kentaro! I thought a FSD video dropped on Sunday might be appreciated :)
These stop sign intersections are way too slow now. In a major metro area when traffic is heavy, I would expect to be honked at constantly if I was letting Beta drive like this.
@@tonykchan I couldn't agree more. Let's hope it increases by v.12, 13, etc.
This is because of the recall of the NHTSA. They wanted to have longer stops.
Is it just me, my FSD feels like it wants to move sideways sometimes.
Try recalibrating the cameras in the menu.
@12:55 no turn signal?
You are right. No turn signal. “Near perfect”
Can you put your car into Joe mode please, to stop the blinker from being so loud and annoying. Ty
I used to have Joe Mode on but got a crash last week and reset all my settings. I'll make sure it's enabled again.
Very little traffic... not a user's usual urbain expérience.
My gosh is it slow. Feels like if you would walk you would get faster through the intersections
Needs to stop letting everyone go at stop signs
I think that won’t happen. Due to the recall of the NHTSA they were forced to implement that. A robot car has to follow the rules 100%. Most people will consider this long stop as an invitation to take the turn.
Stop recalculating the trip until it's done. You removed the stop and it was in the middle of the intersection when it finally got the new route. Then it did it's best to get back on track. Otherwise. Your videos are great!
I know bad timing. I will do longer destinations too. Appreciate the feedback
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A "Near perfect drive" is a very misleading title, it would be a nearly perfect drive for a 12 year olds 2nd attempt at driving maybe.
While I agree with you, I believe we will find that all the autonomous driving systems will drive very slowly and take longer to make decisions. This is exactly what Waymo and Cruise do in San Francisco. In fact in comparison drives FSD actually completes the drive significantly faster than those two systems.. Hopefully over time FSD will be more assertive but for now we probably should anticipate slowness.
Tesla don't have stealerships. But great vid.
I never know. How are they called? Just shops?