was about to pull the trigger on EC3-CW, then the U came into my scope... cant decide which would be best, i have been using Deathadders for at least a decade since back in 2012 my SS sensei at that time caused alot of thumb pain after extended usage, too bad tho cause i felt i was really good with it, so i never went back to a symetrical/amph mouse after that regardless of poorer performance in any fps game i tried. my only complain about deathadders was the weight and that it was a bit to big for my hand so switched to the DA2mini but then that was way too small, so i thought the EC3 would be the sweetspot ...now the zowie U came out and it seems totally different design and id love the even lower weight vs the EC-W series. would it work... idk
Love these reviews with all the tools etc, am impressed. Well done techne very creative 👏 Also are they doing wired version? Some of us old bones still like wired mice
Every mouse company should make a cheap demo mouse for each model so that people could buy those cheap demo mouse to see if they like the shape or not.
I like that they give 2 recievers and 1 of them doubles as a charging dock since it helps justify the price, im kinda surprised they didnt do 2k though because im sure zowie has the know how to make that implementation rock solid like logitech
@@somebody6282 Shewwww I don't know where to go from here. Or maybe, this is a Comment to a reply that replies to the comment I commented on then replied to. 🤯
the thermal cam is a super neat touch! appreciate the super thorough and detailed review, makes sense for something complex like a mouse shape : ) subbed
Thank u so much. I’ve been doing thermal in many of my recent vids as well (new pulsars, beastx and so on) just if I wanna see any others. Thanks again ❤
@@TheTechne fs man i looked at a few other mouse videos from you and thats honestly a nice touch, idt other reviewers are doing that but its such an good way to convey where you rest the palm. smart fs
hi, how are u? i have a question. i try a lot of mouse but i cant fined my king yet. i have a problem with my pinky finger that make hurts after long time gaming. what am i doing? which mice is good for me? i try g305, g502, gpx superlight, g502x, g303 shroud, basilisk v3, viper 8k, deathadder essential, steelseries prime. i hope that u can help me in this
Another 2 side button mouse. Explain to me why you get a mouse with only 2 side buttons. Even if you get a steelseries 12 buttons side mouse its 89 grams. A 40gram mouse with 2 side button's isnt as usefull, if you use just half the buttons in a 12 button mouse you still have 4 more buttons than these 2 button mice. Mmo mice are better. I use the corsair scimitar. 2 buttons is never enough not for ANY game also its half the price (on sale)
You should think of testing the flatness of mice because i have had 9 fk1-c replaced for having a banana base and the glide is terrible, they really did not design the C series lineup well at all. I have also found some of glorious mice are not flat either. I dont see any reviewer on youtube testing this and i think its super important to the glide experience. Anyone can check their c series mice by placing a metal ruler longways on the base and at the rear 90% of the foot does not touch the pad and the gap is huge. Zowie responded to my findings saying it was within their tolerances, what a joke for over 1mm gap.
The only thing stopping me from buying it is the price. I could care less about money. But spending that ammount on a gaming mouse is insane in my opinion
Great review man. You make a relatable point around the 4:30 mark with regards to wider smaller mice. I’ve noticed the same thing and maybe it’s because I have abnormally wide hands? The dream for me is really just the Zowie EC2-CW exactly how it is shape wise but wider in the right most direction. The EC1 is too big for me but the EC2 is a bit too small specifically with regards to width. Someday if Zowie ever opt to make an EC1.5 / EC2L in between the 1 and 2 in size that’d be my dream end game and a day 1 buy.
Awesome review Techne! Gotta love the thermal cam, nice little addition to the videos and gives a clear perspective of hand contact. Gonna have to pick one of these up, love Zowie and U2!
One word without even watching. Price. This is a BASIC RUN OF THE MILL FPS ORIENTED GAMING mouse in 2024. It's worth £80 tops. My Lamzu Thorn cost me £88 DELIVERED in 2023. I know I am going to laugh uncontrollably when I hear the price.... It's TWENTY TWENTY FOUR - that's fkn SPACE AGE DATE. This is a BASIC 5 BUTTON MOUSE that does it's job. I'll be interested to hear your thoughts on the scroll wheel and how it's improved over the absolute WORST scroll wheel I may have ever used on the ECX-CW
@@TheTechne shape is 1:1 copy of Lamzu atlantis mini, just the sides are less curved to be more of a safe shape, and the hump is more in the middle than Lamzu so that You can fingertip it easier. NOT WORTH more than 90$. Even for a zowie quality of a build.
@@piopo7688 Great to see people's eyes opening. I feel like Morpheus when Neo asks him - am I dead? I have watched the evolution/regression of mice for 24 years - I started with a ball mouse and I am still at it. First was MS Optical 1.1 and I have had just about every top tier performance oriented mouse out there.
@@TheTechne Like I said to piopo - 24 years. And "new unique shapes is not found anywhere else." is a HAAAAARD SELL as a 'for EXTRA COST YOU GET....!!!! ANOTHER SLIGHT VARIATION OF AN AMBI MOUSE!' Little tip btw - there's only one way to really, REALLY test a mouse for FPS - 10 games of Valorant TDM - for 10 days. That's 100 matches. NOT DEATHMATCH, NOT another game 'in it's place' - VALORANT TDM, 10 games per day, 10 days. Give that a shot ;D (No pun) That's a genuine tip, you'll start noticing some nuances you never new existed when you've done it with several mice. I am hard to impress mate being my history, it's the price that will dictate how impressed I am with this mouse. Like it did with the Attack Shark X3 when I paid £33, delievered to my door. I know you think me harsh - I can't be sorry for my honest opinion. I have been stung enough to watch and learn, if I can save even a handful of the lesser experienced folk, that's a huge success. My current mains; EspTiger QingSui 3 Pro/Lamzu Thorn. A hard to beat combo for - almost every shooter, but absolutely 100% for tac (CS2/Valorant)
hope this release does not integrate za , s and fk shapes into only this one symmetrical shape for the zowie wireless lineup. We still need fk wireless, that classic mid hump low profile design, fk3 size would also be really cool to see.
Hey Techne! Good to see you are doing well, man. I was wondering if you are still using the Razer Blackwidow V4 75%, and if you have experienced any issues with it?
I love the driverless nature of Zowie mice. Set it and forget it and no bloatware on your PC like iCUE and Synapse, which it feels like update every day - it drives me nuts 😂
130$ is pretty expensive, but considering that the skates will be updated to 100% ptfe and the buttons might be separated from the shell (plus you get that big obelisk dongle which looks cool), I'd say it's a fair price.
@@fwabble No worries. There is no way I'm buying it. The shape is not for me, the mousewheel sucks, and the buttons not being separated from the shell is a complete no-no for me.
@@TheTechne yeah, but remember Lamzu can provide a smooth 4k experience on the same type of sensor for 2/3 of the price. Zowie (very big company) releases a mouse with the same sensor as Lamzu a YEAR later, and still can't provide even 2k implementation? Is that a joke? How long should we wait for Zowie to just catch up, not even to win the mice market again.
Hello man thanks for the review. Quick question, my hand size 185x105mm and using hybrid or relaxed claw grip. What would you do recommend. Endgame Op1we or sora v2 or zowie u2 or maybe vaxee np-01/np-01s? Also if I go ergo mouse could be vaxee outset ax 4k. I'm using razer deathadder V3 Pro atm but it feels longer and wider so its bulk for me and making in pain to my elbow. I like the hump backword against middle. Therefore I can't locked in from the palm. Thanks for the advice in advance.
I just tried this mouse. I can say that the coating feeling is great, it gives a very good grip feeling. I have the Razer deathadder V3 Pro, but I don't like its coating quality, I have to constantly correct my grip grip again and again, it feels rough and the Razer seemed big and long. The length of U2 is quite good, my hand is 18.5x10.5cm. Zowie U2 fills my palm very well, my thumb position is perfect, but since the right side was too thin, I couldn't place my pinkie finger as I wanted. I hold relax claw or pincer claw. So which mouse do you think I would be more comfortable with? Would you recommend Vaxee, endgame or pulsar models?
If it's not 40-60 grams it's just not for me. That's not say it's bad, zowie is a great company, but my main game is ow2 and as a genji player I need a crazy light mouse. Still, good mouse, tho, good coverage as usual
Genuinely think you must have a preference. Just as I do. Light mice with 2 buttons for me are useless. Mmo mouse 12 buttons 89 grams. Not useless. For me it doesnt matter any game, 2 buttons is never enough. Mmo mice have 12 buttons Even if you only use half that's 4 more than 2.
@@hayden1255 I play games like siege, that have leaning mechanics, grenades, flashes, drones. I have every one of those programed to a side button. press 1 for crouch 2 for lean left 3 for lean right 4 for grenade 5 will enter drone, 6 will throw a new drone 7 is stun/flash. Thats all I use in siege. Everything is programmed in a way that i don't mis click and I remember exactly what key does what so its quick too. I also have all of this programmed on the keyboard too, so if I need to lean and I'm using my grenade hotkey on my mouse, I can still do so on keyboard with q and e and crouch with c, etc. My thumb tip rests on 2/3 the pad can hit 5/6 and i move my thumb down for 1/4/7 depending on if i need crouch grenade or flashes. I like having crouch or jump on the mouse too. It all depends on the game. for games i use this they typically don't have lean so 2/3 are available. I just could not ever use only 2 buttons after having an mmo mouse for years. Again its just preference. if its weight. the SteelSeries makes an 89gram 12 button mmo mouse. that's pretty light considering it has 12 buttons. I don't like mine heavy but I also don't like them super light, I'm really somewhere in the middle, which is why I think the mmo mouse is perfect for me.
2 button mice are useless in every game. You set yourself at a disadvantage compared to someone using an mmo mouse, like the 89 gram steelseries. I use corsair scimitar and have no reason to upgrade. Icue software is already used for my pc fans anyway so it's a bonus that it's the same software for my mouse.
What do you think of the new Zowie shape?
Fucking love it and want it
im just happy its light
No idea dont have it
i don't know why it looks like better g pro for me .... I Love this new mouse shape by zowie 💖💖💖💖💖💖
@@Waltuhgamer lol
was about to pull the trigger on EC3-CW, then the U came into my scope... cant decide which would be best, i have been using Deathadders for at least a decade since back in 2012 my SS sensei at that time caused alot of thumb pain after extended usage, too bad tho cause i felt i was really good with it, so i never went back to a symetrical/amph mouse after that regardless of poorer performance in any fps game i tried. my only complain about deathadders was the weight and that it was a bit to big for my hand so switched to the DA2mini but then that was way too small, so i thought the EC3 would be the sweetspot ...now the zowie U came out and it seems totally different design and id love the even lower weight vs the EC-W series. would it work... idk
Do you think Zowie will ever release a glossy mouse again?
Love these reviews with all the tools etc, am impressed. Well done techne very creative 👏
Also are they doing wired version? Some of us old bones still like wired mice
Thank you so much! And I have no idea about wired. My guess would be no, but I vote yes and it would be a nice 60$ option.
Every mouse company should make a cheap demo mouse for each model so that people could buy those cheap demo mouse to see if they like the shape or not.
Refund? No. Demo Mouse? Yep
Acutally, Zowie have a mouse kit :) you can buy it and try all mouses in different sizes at home & then buy
Using an infrared camera to show points of contatc is actually megabrain level thinking.
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I like that they give 2 recievers and 1 of them doubles as a charging dock since it helps justify the price, im kinda surprised they didnt do 2k though because im sure zowie has the know how to make that implementation rock solid like logitech
yooo that infrared visualization is insane!! Great review brotha!!
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Wow the effort you put in to this comment is incredible
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@@somebody6282 Shewwww I don't know where to go from here. Or maybe, this is a Comment to a reply that replies to the comment I commented on then replied to. 🤯
You should stream Fortnite
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This review was far better than I was expecting. Thanks so much, really answered every question I had.
Thermal cam is something very useful and new in mice reviews! Thanks! Keep bringing more innovations!
How can you not compare this with the Helios you just reviewed 8 weeks ago
I was thinking between the ZA-13C and the U2, hard to decide, which would be better ?
You should get a Mike Tyson tattoo in the face!
Trying to work the nerve up for a head tat.
the thermal cam is a super neat touch! appreciate the super thorough and detailed review, makes sense for something complex like a mouse shape : ) subbed
Thank u so much. I’ve been doing thermal in many of my recent vids as well (new pulsars, beastx and so on) just if I wanna see any others. Thanks again ❤
@@TheTechne fs man i looked at a few other mouse videos from you and thats honestly a nice touch, idt other reviewers are doing that but its such an good way to convey where you rest the palm. smart fs
A comparaison with the vaxee np-01s wireless will be good because they got basically the same shape
Yeah i would love to see which one he prefers between the two.
180€for a mouse is crazy lol
There is no space for a thumb, keep hitting the big side button. Shit...
still want a wireless za13
Maybe we will live long enough to see Zowie develop a ZA wireless. I suspect they’ll release one before the end of 2050.
Hopefully this means zowie releases a version 2 of the EC2-CW with the features the U2 has already (lighter weight + 3395 sensor).
I have the U2 and EC2-CW. Only real difference is the shape. The sensor is sort of moot and while lighter, it's not like 79g was heavy anyway.
The flare camera is so next level. You are the actual GOAT imo
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hi, how are u? i have a question. i try a lot of mouse but i cant fined my king yet. i have a problem with my pinky finger that make hurts after long time gaming. what am i doing? which mice is good for me? i try g305, g502, gpx superlight, g502x, g303 shroud, basilisk v3, viper 8k, deathadder essential, steelseries prime. i hope that u can help me in this
Another 2 side button mouse.
Explain to me why you get a mouse with only 2 side buttons.
Even if you get a steelseries 12 buttons side mouse its 89 grams. A 40gram mouse with 2 side button's isnt as usefull, if you use just half the buttons in a 12 button mouse you still have 4 more buttons than these 2 button mice.
Mmo mice are better. I use the corsair scimitar. 2 buttons is never enough not for ANY game also its half the price (on sale)
love the infrared concept, really helps. Big thumbs up
Thanks man
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I might pick this up as a secondary mouse until my GPx finally breaks down. It's a few years old now.
Awesome review as usual
I bet I will buy it to try something new
While my viper ultimate still works as though it's new
You should think of testing the flatness of mice because i have had 9 fk1-c replaced for having a banana base and the glide is terrible, they really did not design the C series lineup well at all. I have also found some of glorious mice are not flat either. I dont see any reviewer on youtube testing this and i think its super important to the glide experience. Anyone can check their c series mice by placing a metal ruler longways on the base and at the rear 90% of the foot does not touch the pad and the gap is huge. Zowie responded to my findings saying it was within their tolerances, what a joke for over 1mm gap.
Is it close to S1 cuz idk i want s1 wireless but idk when they will release it and im thinking to try U2
The only thing stopping me from buying it is the price. I could care less about money. But spending that ammount on a gaming mouse is insane in my opinion
Great review man. You make a relatable point around the 4:30 mark with regards to wider smaller mice. I’ve noticed the same thing and maybe it’s because I have abnormally wide hands? The dream for me is really just the Zowie EC2-CW exactly how it is shape wise but wider in the right most direction. The EC1 is too big for me but the EC2 is a bit too small specifically with regards to width. Someday if Zowie ever opt to make an EC1.5 / EC2L in between the 1 and 2 in size that’d be my dream end game and a day 1 buy.
Hii i have a little question im looking for new headphones and i cant choose between the hifiman sundara and FiiO ft3 what can u preffer me and why
I want a fk3 wireless also its great they moved to the 3395 sensor
No background music? Shame
How does it compare in size to the G Pro Superlight?
how is this comparing with Vaxee NP01sw？
Definitely an interesting drop. Gonna look at picking it up after the pre order window
Awesome review Techne! Gotta love the thermal cam, nice little addition to the videos and gives a clear perspective of hand contact. Gonna have to pick one of these up, love Zowie and U2!
One word without even watching. Price. This is a BASIC RUN OF THE MILL FPS ORIENTED GAMING mouse in 2024. It's worth £80 tops.
My Lamzu Thorn cost me £88 DELIVERED in 2023.
I know I am going to laugh uncontrollably when I hear the price....
It's TWENTY TWENTY FOUR - that's fkn SPACE AGE DATE. This is a BASIC 5 BUTTON MOUSE that does it's job.
I'll be interested to hear your thoughts on the scroll wheel and how it's improved over the absolute WORST scroll wheel I may have ever used on the ECX-CW
true, but man that Zowie quality, and new unique shapes is not found anywhere else.
@@TheTechne shape is 1:1 copy of Lamzu atlantis mini, just the sides are less curved to be more of a safe shape, and the hump is more in the middle than Lamzu so that You can fingertip it easier. NOT WORTH more than 90$. Even for a zowie quality of a build.
@@piopo7688 Great to see people's eyes opening. I feel like Morpheus when Neo asks him - am I dead?
I have watched the evolution/regression of mice for 24 years - I started with a ball mouse and I am still at it. First was MS Optical 1.1 and I have had just about every top tier performance oriented mouse out there.
Like zowie is copying lamzu, its the other way arround. You also said there is a difference and then said its 1:1 clone lmao @@piopo7688
@@TheTechne Like I said to piopo - 24 years. And "new unique shapes is not found anywhere else." is a HAAAAARD SELL as a 'for EXTRA COST YOU GET....!!!! ANOTHER SLIGHT VARIATION OF AN AMBI MOUSE!'
Little tip btw - there's only one way to really, REALLY test a mouse for FPS - 10 games of Valorant TDM - for 10 days. That's 100 matches. NOT DEATHMATCH, NOT another game 'in it's place' - VALORANT TDM, 10 games per day, 10 days. Give that a shot ;D (No pun) That's a genuine tip, you'll start noticing some nuances you never new existed when you've done it with several mice.
I am hard to impress mate being my history, it's the price that will dictate how impressed I am with this mouse. Like it did with the Attack Shark X3 when I paid £33, delievered to my door.
I know you think me harsh - I can't be sorry for my honest opinion.
I have been stung enough to watch and learn, if I can save even a handful of the lesser experienced folk, that's a huge success.
My current mains; EspTiger QingSui 3 Pro/Lamzu Thorn. A hard to beat combo for - almost every shooter, but absolutely 100% for tac (CS2/Valorant)
Damn that thermal camera is an awesome idea!
Thanks man 👍
What is the best mouse pad for u2?
hope this release does not integrate za , s and fk shapes into only this one symmetrical shape for the zowie wireless lineup.
We still need fk wireless, that classic mid hump low profile design, fk3 size would also be really cool to see.
Agree, we need the entire Zowie lineup in wireless
Does the U2 work with the EC CW charging dock? As in both connection and charging.
Not connection but yes charging
Do you all think this would be a good mouse for a person who uses more of a palm grip?
I ordered a h2x mini and wondering if instead a Zowie S2-C or U2 is better for all around gaming?
Finally, a right weighing mice
The thermal cam was a very nice idea :D
nice review man you are a very nice guy
Why is it Wireless 😢
WE need a "VS" vs lamzu atlantis 4k/mini 4k 😄
Honestly not very similar. This is a mouse of its own.
Hey Techne! Good to see you are doing well, man.
I was wondering if you are still using the Razer Blackwidow V4 75%, and if you have experienced any issues with it?
I’m not. Actually testing some new KB’s, and have been enjoying the new Fnatic Streak 80 LP
@@TheTechne Alright, thank you for responding! Have a great day dude :D
So, the wife likes you better with a beard...
Hold up, mine or yours? I’m confused now 🤔
I love the driverless nature of Zowie mice. Set it and forget it and no bloatware on your PC like iCUE and Synapse, which it feels like update every day - it drives me nuts 😂
What's your hand size? I'm thinking this might be perfect for me as someone who pincer grips but utilizes fingertip for micro-adjustments.
I showed it in the start of the vid
Sorry mb, its late -_- Thanks for the vid @@TheTechne
Bro pulled out all the thingamabobs and doodads
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Excellent review as always! Can you do dongle and station on all Zowie mice? That would be a big deal for me
No, this is the first time Zowie is doing that
Thanks! I’ll wait for the updated version of the ec2-cw. Fingers crossed🤞
130$ is pretty expensive, but considering that the skates will be updated to 100% ptfe and the buttons might be separated from the shell (plus you get that big obelisk dongle which looks cool), I'd say it's a fair price.
There's no hope.....
@@fwabble No worries. There is no way I'm buying it. The shape is not for me, the mousewheel sucks, and the buttons not being separated from the shell is a complete no-no for me.
What's the polling rate?
1k
Is it better than razer v3 pro?
I vote yes
+1 for thermal cam; great idea
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Techne is the U2 something you might make your main mouse?
I really love it and can’t stop using it. But but not sure I can claim main just yet.
vs the s2?
Slimmer
@@TheTechne nice, thanks
wish they gave 2k hz
the latest tech is always nice to have. But with Zoiwe being so stable, I would take that over iffy 2k/4k
@@TheTechne yeah, but remember Lamzu can provide a smooth 4k experience on the same type of sensor for 2/3 of the price. Zowie (very big company) releases a mouse with the same sensor as Lamzu a YEAR later, and still can't provide even 2k implementation? Is that a joke? How long should we wait for Zowie to just catch up, not even to win the mice market again.
@@piopo7688 Vaxee also does not support 4k so there might be a reason for that. But lamzu also has good quality.
i love zowie mouse for a long time and i would love to try u2 mouse . i cant wait for it ..💖💖💖💖💖
I appreciate the in-depth reviews of ergo mice because it feels like they don’t get much attention (this is in general for the channel)
Thank u
Hello man thanks for the review. Quick question, my hand size 185x105mm and using hybrid or relaxed claw grip. What would you do recommend. Endgame Op1we or sora v2 or zowie u2 or maybe vaxee np-01/np-01s? Also if I go ergo mouse could be vaxee outset ax 4k. I'm using razer deathadder V3 Pro atm but it feels longer and wider so its bulk for me and making in pain to my elbow. I like the hump backword against middle. Therefore I can't locked in from the palm. Thanks for the advice in advance.
I just tried this mouse. I can say that the coating feeling is great, it gives a very good grip feeling. I have the Razer deathadder V3 Pro, but I don't like its coating quality, I have to constantly correct my grip grip again and again, it feels rough and the Razer seemed big and long. The length of U2 is quite good, my hand is 18.5x10.5cm. Zowie U2 fills my palm very well, my thumb position is perfect, but since the right side was too thin, I couldn't place my pinkie finger as I wanted. I hold relax claw or pincer claw. So which mouse do you think I would be more comfortable with? Would you recommend Vaxee, endgame or pulsar models?
If it's not 40-60 grams it's just not for me. That's not say it's bad, zowie is a great company, but my main game is ow2 and as a genji player I need a crazy light mouse. Still, good mouse, tho, good coverage as usual
Genuinely think you must have a preference.
Just as I do. Light mice with 2 buttons for me are useless.
Mmo mouse 12 buttons 89 grams. Not useless.
For me it doesnt matter any game, 2 buttons is never enough. Mmo mice have 12 buttons Even if you only use half that's 4 more than 2.
@DerickMcAfee I only need one side button for melee personally but it is a preference
@@hayden1255 I play games like siege, that have leaning mechanics, grenades, flashes, drones.
I have every one of those programed to a side button. press 1 for crouch 2 for lean left 3 for lean right 4 for grenade 5 will enter drone, 6 will throw a new drone 7 is stun/flash. Thats all I use in siege. Everything is programmed in a way that i don't mis click and I remember exactly what key does what so its quick too. I also have all of this programmed on the keyboard too, so if I need to lean and I'm using my grenade hotkey on my mouse, I can still do so on keyboard with q and e and crouch with c, etc.
My thumb tip rests on 2/3 the pad can hit 5/6 and i move my thumb down for 1/4/7 depending on if i need crouch grenade or flashes.
I like having crouch or jump on the mouse too. It all depends on the game. for games i use this they typically don't have lean so 2/3 are available.
I just could not ever use only 2 buttons after having an mmo mouse for years.
Again its just preference. if its weight. the SteelSeries makes an 89gram 12 button mmo mouse. that's pretty light considering it has 12 buttons. I don't like mine heavy but I also don't like them super light, I'm really somewhere in the middle, which is why I think the mmo mouse is perfect for me.
Great video once again Techne, W. How do you feel this shape over EC2-CW?? Btw this one is out of stock and EC2 is in stock...
Techne went full techie in this vid. God dang 🤣 good coverage tho brother
Thanks man 🤝
if its not >65g, im not buying it.
2 button mice are useless in every game. You set yourself at a disadvantage compared to someone using an mmo mouse, like the 89 gram steelseries.
I use corsair scimitar and have no reason to upgrade. Icue software is already used for my pc fans anyway so it's a bonus that it's the same software for my mouse.