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I just knew you were going to mention The Ghost Halls. I love that short story, it's beautiful, sad and yet a show of honor among foes.
It's just.... One of the thing I loved about Warhammer Fantasy was the many alliances made off many different factions. Eldar Halerquins and Grey Knights side by side would be a terryfing foe to face.
It would lead to such a Legolas and Gimli relationship that I would adore, the pride and knowledge of fatalistic eldars that know their deaths will be long and postponed for fear of the Dark Prince, with the duty bound and psycoindoctrinated warriors of Titan, that know no song will be sung, no glory reaped, just duty to their brothers, the people they protect and the galaxy they are trying to save.
I can picture this:
Fulgrim laughed, a sickeningly sweet noise that bore into the farseer's mind and very soul, a champion of She-Who-Thirst, a thing of list and pride so overwhelming that it almost felt as if it had a gravity to pull her Anima from her soul stone. It was titanic, and diminutive at the same time, and it wa going to do things to her that made her shiver in sheer horror.
"Little Eldar, alone, afraid, a rose to be pluck" Fulgrim almost sang the words, smiling with sharp teeth.
"Oh, do not fear, little Eldar, you have much yet to endure before metting my Prince. This will not be fast"
"Oh, it will, abomination. Faster than the solar winds, than doom from Khaine's own bloody hands. You fall here"
"Really, little soul, pretty thing that you are? You think your kind can best me?"
"No, but yours can" He laughed, and somewhere, windows broke under the uluating noise.
"Mine you say? Tell me, what magnificent host of my dear brother's blue clad buffoons have you summoned? Or it's Leman' angry rabble the one that has come smelling their own asses? Maybe it's Dorn's stone brained rabble? Vulkan's paththic and mewling children? Who? Which of my brother's lineage will I crush this day in offering to my beloved lord? "
"None" she said, and then she smiled. Fulgrim arched and eyebrow, before the horizon came alight with blue and white flames. And from the furious blaze of psychic teleporation, came a hundred silver-clad angels, knights of fire and zeal, among them, dancing masked and laughing shadows of death. At the head, shield braced and sword drawn, came the living embodiment of their order.
Only did then Fulgrim understood theat the Eldar force he had crushed was the anvil.
And now, he beheld the Hammer.
And now, he remembered fear.
HOLY SHIT THIS IS SO BADASS GW PLEASE GIVE US THIS
@@livefromtheblacklibrary he he he, thanks. I like writing these shorts stories with the ideas I get.
Holy shit man this sounds really cool 🔥
10/10
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Bro, Please Bring back the Tarot series!
I actually would like a forbidden romance story between an Imperial Skull Probe and a T'au Drone.
YES. THANK YOU
... motherfu-
Haha!
I’m imagining it’s a cute animated film like Wall.E
I’m the grim dark future of the 41st millennium, there is only love
The idea of some harlequins stumbling across a bunch of greyknights well driving to fight some chaos and just telling them to get in is both hilarious and very in character.
It really is lol, just the implication lets you imagine wtf happened
No fr I could see the logic to it why kill the harlequins the just gonna serve slanesh so might as well fight along each other lmaoo
*Grey knight:* What's up Becca, you xeno slut!
*Harlequin:* Trisha you Monkeigh whore, get in we're gonna fuck up some demon Karen's!
*Grey Kight: YASS QUEEN SLAAAY!*
HA! Wonder if the Grey Knights were on their way there through the Webway in order to get the drop on the chaos space marines, probably to accomplish some smaller but vitally important objective such as retrieving a stolen artifact of human or other species lost technologies and along the way the ran into some Harlequins going the same direction and they decided to car pool for the sake of efficiency.
"Harlequins Clown van stop by some Grey Knight after it appears from a webway"
"No time to explain! Get in the Van! There are Chaos waiting to be clowned no now!"
I always saw the Grey Knights relationship with Eldar being more like game respecting game and an understanding that they share a common enemy in Chaos hence why'd they give them their spirit stones back that one time
Yeah that’s exactly it!
He did lament they weren't able to retrieve more.
Bro. I was moved to tears when the brother paladin knelt and offered up the soul stones. Like HOLY TERRA I cannot believe how honorable the Grey knights where here.
IKR, and all they wanted was their fallen brother to be remembered 🥺
This is something I love about them. Because of their obsession with dealing with Chaos. They often don't have the same anti-Xenos zealotry of other Astartes. It doesn't mean they're guaranteed to be kind to them or anything but it allows for stuff like this where they can genuinely connect with the Eldar via a hatred of a fate in the hands of Slaanesh.
@@kieranadamson3224i do wonder if having the Emperor's genetic code running through them grants them aspects of His intent. They are more directly connected to the Emperor than any other Chapter. Most if not all, have psychic power levels that suggest most are Beta, maybe even Alpha-level Psykers. The amount of control they exert is insurmountable. Wouldnt be shocked if they to some degree can hear his voice.
Just make sure you’re not a civilian who saw a demon
Grey Knights and Eldar fighting Chaos together makes total sense to me; they’re the most learned factions about Chaos, and they both know it.
I’m also a sucker for stories with Humans fighting alongside other Xenos, be it Eldar or T’au and for any which reason, because that’s the core message I like to see in my grim dark Sci-fi Fantasy; yes, shit’s bad, but that’s why we gotta stand together if we want to survive.
Problem is that the other Xenos races are a big part of why shit's bad.
Well, not so much the Tau, but that's coming once their AI turns on them.
Though there’s no reason why their AI would turn . Most of their ai are either digitized tau or AI with the brainpower of dogs .
Daot AI were made at the same level as humans and more.
That was their mistake . They made what was essentially another race and expected them to fight their wars and labor
The tau on the other hand are actually being smart with their AI
@@nomus1172 Tau have essentially made the Geth from Mass Effect with their drones. The only reason they haven't had a rebellion is because the Tau are largely immune to the influence of the warp. I think as soon as that changes their AI will turn on them just like with Humanity.
@@plmokm33 they aren’t immune to the warp just hard to notice or influence.
They can still be possessed and influenced but it usually happens in direct contact with the warp .
Plus why would the Ai rebel anyway with how the galaxy is with Deamons ,orks and planet consuming bugs everywhere.
@@nomus1172 because the warp can directly influence AI, That's why the Men of Iron rebelled. Yea I know they're not completely immune, that's what I'm saying. Once their sudden psyker event happens like it did to humanity, they're going to suffer the same fate.
Grey Knights: We're not telling anyone about this.
Harlequins: Oh we're telling everyone about this, but no one will believe us.
Grey Knights: We are fine with this arrangement.
I like the idea of the best Grey Knights would be the Loyal marines from the Traitor Legions. Their Loyalty to the Emperor and their duty was strong enough to resist not only Chaos, but the influence of their Primarch, which is not an easy thing to do for some legions.
Absolutely! The first grand master was a loyalist Thousand Son for that reason!
@@livefromtheblacklibrary
Technically, it's a TS combined with a shard of Magnus.
I really like it when there’s an alliance between humans and eldar. The dawn of war winter assault expansion had a cool mission for this, even though the alliance only lasted like 30 seconds.
Plus, it’s a cool visual style. Seeing the brute industrialism of the imperium fighting beside the elegant eldar is a sight to see. It’s why I like fan art depicting the two.
Huge same! It’s why a lot of people were stoked about the Ynnari alliance until…the thing
@@livefromtheblacklibrary is the thing the guilliman/Yvraine “partnership”, the fact that the Ynnari get no development from gw, or something I missed?
The fact that the Deathwatch basically wiped them out on a whim and their book series got cancelled part way through
@@livefromtheblacklibrary oh crap, that is bad. Come on GW, let me like the eldar, please.
This sort of thing is why a lot of eldar fans are into age of Sigmar as well
Grey Knights fought with the Necrons once, against the Nids.
It's in the 7th edition codex. One of the Necrons Lords salutes the Grey Knight Brother Captain at the end of the fight. Pretty sweet.
While not fighting together, ini "Godblight" itwas interesting seeing an eldar's perspective on Grey Knights interrogate a demon
Yeah true!
Honestly I’d like to see more cooperation between the Eldar and Imperial forces. With Chaos having ripped the galaxy in half the Eldar and the imperials just look stupid when they fight each other.
Yeah it’s honestly frustrating
At least my boy Guilliman is making alliances with them. It’s a good start towards a grand alliance. I mean even Dante had a temporary truce with the silent king. Larger alliances are possible I think and should happen imo. But with returning primarchs like the lion. It kinda off sets the need for the imperium needing Ally’s lol
Yeah true, as long as Guilliman and Lion get along (they won’t)
@@livefromtheblacklibrary I think they will. I mean the lion already tried the whole distrusting Guilliman route during the HH. They have to be closer now. Just like Guillimans introspection in the newest books we will have something similar with the lion and Luther and the fallen. It will have to change him and I think he will hug Guilliman just like he did back on Macragge during HH when they meet.
Yeah i absolutely agree but to have them unilaterally get along would just be so BORING imo, like after the initial “Fuck yeah! Badass duo!” hype, it would absolutely get old in the way Guilliman’s return was cool for like what a year at most?
I think it is very good characterisation for the Grey Knights that the one thing they requested in return for their great deed of saving the Eldar soul stones, was for the one who had died to be remembered in the long memories and longer histories of the Eldar. Because the Eldar of course keep a strong oral and written history and live for thousands of years, whilst the Grey Knights are so secretive almost no records of their great deeds are recorded even though many of the imperial worlds they come from probably put a lot of stock in the commemoration of great deeds. A tension that probably vexes their entire knightly order. Like the Men In Black I suppose.
I am a man who enjoys any jolly cooperation, especially in the 41st millenium. While I understand that superstition is a big part of 40k, I truly wish there would be more bromances. In my heart, Grey Knights and Eldar will always have mutual respect like in the excerpts you have mentioned.
Absolutely, I think it just shakes up the setting a bit in a way that isn’t overly disruptive and makes sense for both factions
I really love the idea of Grey Knights fighting alongside Eldar, especially the short story "Ghost Halls." They have no quarrel with each other, so they have no reason to fight. And the Grey Knights actually respect the Eldar, to the point of leaving the Eldar almost in utter disbelief at the amount of respect being given to them. It's honestly something I find endearing between the two factions.
And the Harlequins just pulling up to a bunch a Grey Knights saying "Get in Mon'Keigh, we're killing Chaos Space Marines" is absolutely hilarious and I love it.
This is actually something that makes a crap ton of sense. The grey knights are the imperium's for most daemon killers, and are incredibly knowledgeable about the ins and outs of chaos. They'd absolutely know the origins of slaanesh, and also know that slaanesh's favorite treat is eldar souls, and know that eldar souls empower slaanesh. So it makes a lot of sense for the grey knights would try to keep slaanesh from eating them up, if for no other reason than to keep slaanesh from getting stronger. This opens up the opportunity for A LOT of interesting stories. A lot of "begrudgingly allies" type stuff.
Also it's just cool to think about grey knights teaming up with eldar. Grey knight termites charging into battle, shining spears riding through the sky, harlequins dodging and dancing through the hordes , while Dreadknights and guardians duel with the greater daemons in the distance.
"Space marines are mindwiped"
Meanwhile in the Deathwatch book all of them talk casually about the Grey Knights out in the open during lunch.
Deathwatch is also a branch/ has ties to the inquisition
As soon as you are apart of the higher parts of the inquisition and you are cut off from your background, you basically get in on the thing
Man, I think Grey knight are getting so cool for me now, particularly after playing Chaos Gate. They have this knight feeling and also this Crusader look, there believe in the emperor is more spiritual than Sisters and Black Templers. But Nuns with guns are also pretty bad ass.
Great story telling from you.
Ayyyy thanks! And yeah I LOVE their armour, def my fave. I’ve never played Chaos Gate but I’m considering it
@@livefromtheblacklibrary highly recommend the story is written by ADB
I get your point, 40k is a lot better with nuance.
Grey Knights would be interesting having fight alongside necrons perhaps
Bro that would be SO SIIIICK 👀 tho I believe the Blood Angels recently fought alongside them
@@livefromtheblacklibrary that's correct! Dante actually met the silent king(who was wearing a death mask of sang), and the silent king offered a temporary alliance to push back the Tyranids. Dante kinda got fucked over a bit though, because the necrons helped, but over the course of the campaign they slowly started pulled their assets out system.
I mean hey it’s Xenos waddaya gonna do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Necrons are more reliable allies than Eldar
@@livefromtheblacklibrary I bet tryzin has a collection of grey knights
Almost certainly
i listen to a LOT of warhammer youtubers and i gotta say you are great at finding details ive never heard before, great stuff dude.
I think it's super interesting, plus it makes sense. The Eldar are more than willing to do whatever it takes to preserve their species and the Grey Knights are willing to do whatever it takes to fight Chaos. The idea of them allowing is just plain cool, especially given how little (non-violent) interaction there is between the various factions in 40k.
This was a really wholesome story to read. Really shines a light on the Grey Knights honor and their pragmatism. If someone will stand against Chaos with them, they will accept their help, be it human or xeno. 😎
Eldar: Hay... you guys wanna go do a drive-by on some demons?
Gray knights: ...yes...yes we do.
As a Grey Knight Player I always feel like the Grey Knights and Aeldari should team up more often considering how the recent setting is, it would be an absolute delight to see these two factions fighting more often alongside eachother vs chaos in general
Word bearers and iron warriors should have been the main villains of 40k not the black legion because they are grimdark as hell like they are both chaos undivided sorta with iron warriors and they both do really screwed up things daemonculaba and others things plus word bearers could challenge the imperium faith so like the faith of the emperor vs the faith of the chaos gods and iron warriors could challenge them in their technology plus again they both do really screwed up things like daemonculaba being one of them and i mean abbadon is literally a cheap Horus and he even looks like him so he should have been a secondary villain but no GW had to make him the main baddy
EXACTLY, Iron Warriors and Word Bearers are my fave traitor legions for that exact reason. Black Legion and Abaddon are more or less cartoon moustache twirling villains at this point.
@@livefromtheblacklibrary yup bro
“I know it’s not cool that we’re here but we couldn’t let some fucking animals get a hold of this place”
Grey Knights are so godamned cool they might become my favorite chapter
Two of my favourite factions, and an interesting interaction between them.
The Months of Shame bugged me, The Grey Knights should have put their foot down and told the Inquisitor, politely, that their purpose is fighting chaos not fellow loyal space marines, nor wiping out the baseline humans they are charged, as space marines, to protect. They should have left the Inquisitor to pursue his issue with the Space Wolves on his own.
The secrecy element also feels pointless since the Fall of Cadia, with so many survivors from that conflict. Really the Grey Knights should finally reveal themselves to inspire faith against chaos.
Months of Shame read like Space Wolf fanwank to me.
And also the fact that in older 40k times the space Marines chapter / legion would look different from one another but in modern 40k all it takes is to paint them in a different colour no specialty nothing so they all are kinda the same nowadays
Yeah especially after Primaris
I know it's a longshot, but I would love an Eldar/Imperium alliance in the future, at least for a time. take some cues from sigmar and let their population grow a bit.
I want to point out that the Space Wolves actually did try diplomacy to save the people of Armageddon from the Inquisition at first, which you all can tell how that went.
It speaks alot how serious they are when the Space Wolves try to talk things out first....
Yes!! I became more excited than a Slaanesh cultist in the pit of pleasure upon seeing a video about the Harlequin. They are frankly one of the most underrated and intriguing factions but very little about them seems to be told. I would love to know more.
ABSOLUTELY! I love Harlequins and hope we see more!
Gey knight: nothing below my waist, im saving myself for kaldor draigo.
This is my first time watching your videos and I like it another Warhammer video added to my favorites 👌
THANKS!!!
I think Arch Inquisitor Kryptman had been escorted to the black library by a great harlequin. I pretty sure I read that in White Dwarf in the late 90's. There were a few other collusions between the inquisition and the eldar referenced around that time
I think that was Inquisitor Bronislaw Czevak in the book Atlas Infernal (unless they brought Kryptman also)
@@livefromtheblacklibrary 100% right. It was Czevak. Atlas Infernal is another fun book that wouldn't be written now. It's a little expositional in places, as all older BL tends to be, but I liked the mischevious character of inquisitor Czevak. Nowadays inquisitors are rarely shown as anythying except unthinking zealots, which is ridiculous really as that's the last sort of person you'd give the power of exterminatus to.
Older inquisitor books were what really got me into 40k past a cursory knowledge of the setting so it’s a shame we don’t get them taking centre stage anymore, these days they’re just kinda…around
@@livefromtheblacklibrary I share that experience. I think it's the fact that the likes of Eisenhorn and Ravenor revealed aspects of the w40k universe away from the battlefield. The inquisition context certainly lends itself to more character driven writing and not just space marines blowing stuff up! Arguably, BL does now publish a lot more stories that shows us life in the Imperium from many perspectives not just combatants (e.g. Varangantua crime novels, Outgunned, Vaults of Terra). Personally, I feel it's for the best. I think inquisitors have been overdone in w40k fiction. I'd prefer they kept their rarity value and BL authors waited till they had a really original new take on the inquisitor figure, instead of constantly rehashing the same tired cliches over and over again.
The months of shame is one of is one of my favorites the fact that the privilege marines and the inquisition tried to killed the space wolfs is just suicidal.
Yeah didn’t exactly pan out like they hoped…
not gonna talk about Space Wolf writer privilege?
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Your pronunciation of "raison d'être" was very good. 9/10
To be fair I’m Canadian and they teach us French from grade 3 to grade 9 so if I mispronounced it I’d probably get my ass kicked by my old teachers 🤣
@@livefromtheblacklibrary oh a fellow Canadian!
3/10, he spoke french but he spoke facts.
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I personally would like for the grey knights to be far more open with xenos, as long as they fight the common enemy of the warp, of hell itself. Personally I wish for more such story's of the grey knights and eldari going absolutely hog wild on warp incursions then a bow and a few words of farewell before departure
The first bit of law I read about the Grey Knights was about Eldar helping them through the Web Way to THE black library probably 30 years ago.
It's always cool to see these moments of cooperation, however brief. Here's hoping with the looming threat of the entire setting of 40k now being surrounded by tyranids that are closing in we're gonna see more of that, if not on the tabletop then at least in lore. Aside from the genestealer cults and the nids themselves, every faction's extremely motivated to stop the hungering menace as not even orks or chaos would want to see all life snuffed out (even if the former just wants to keep having someone to fight)
you know this because lets be honest you heard the stringstorm music- Chrono 2023
ITS THE SAME WITH RYLANOR ISNT IT
@@livefromtheblacklibrary I AM HE WHO REMEMBERS THE ANCIENT OF RITTTESSSSSS
I can’t believe Stringstorm invented 40K
@@livefromtheblacklibraryIt all makes sense now...HE IS JAMES, QUICKLY! WE MUST FIND HIS WORKSHOP LEST HE SLIP AWAY!
@@captainpanic3616 HOLY SHIT YOU FIGURED IT OUT! QUICK GET TO A SAFE HOUSE, THE INQUISITION IS COMING FOR YOU.
I was fan of Grey Knights back in 3ed. They changed so much starting in 5th that I didn’t really like them for a while. But I’ve grown to love them again.
8:40 top imagery. subbed
There's a ton of great short stories in what's now the back catalogue of 40K fiction. I'll have to look that one up.
Honestly! Audiodramas too!
Agreed. The the best story telling is when things are not black and white. The two examples you gave the shades of grey that are the most interesting. I love the Grey Knights working with the Eldar as they share a common foe. That is what made Dawn of War so interesting when we see the Blood Ravens working with the Eldar. Lately, everything that comes of out of Games Workshop is a hammer sadly.
Shades of... *Grey* Knights 😏
i feel that because grey knights are so aloof and mysterious that does give them potential to work with factions like the Eldar. After all given the knights past reputation the Eldar are likely the one faction that actually likes them so it's has great potential for comradery.
Their very skin is etched with protection spells, also the elder are very instrumental on the end game of the grey knights which is to destroy chaos
Yeah they’re so cool
Oh, so Ordo Malleus can make deals with xenos but Ordo Xenos can't make deals with daemons to stop actual multi-planet threats. Whoop-dee-doo.
I just imagine the Grey Knights sitting in a circle on the surface of some gently floating space-debris, legs splayed out, backs erect at a 90-degree angle, near still as stone staring into nothing. One of them is drawing on the dust with his finger. Then the Harlequins see them out of the corner of their eye, drive by and yell:
“Hop onboard Mon’keigh your apostate-kindred need a fine thrashing,”
The Grey-Knights look at them, before wordlessly clambering onto their vessels, I’m imagining those smaller-ones displayed in the image, and quietly sitting in the back. The one who was drawing now draws on the accumulated dust of the vessel. A Harlequin hands him a notepad and mechanical pencil. He is happy.
I want the human Eldar alliance so bad.
The early lore made the universe feel massive and slightly unconnected (which it should). Now the lore feels to uniform and corporate.
That’s one thing I think Star Wars Legends does better than 40K, creating scope of setting
It makes no sense for eldar to fight humans, and the imperium knows this
Do they know this? Yes
Do they care? Absolutely not 😎
Seriously don't get why people say modern W40K isn't grim dark anymore.
Like what? I would say it's the exact opposite. Comically stupid over the top grim derp dark:
Univers torn in half? 3 daemon primarchs vs 1 loyal ( soon 4 vs 2), Chaos Space Hulk attack ships, Ynari didn't do anything, Silent King vs G-Man... seriously it's looking absolutely shit for humans!
How the hell can someone say it ain't grim dark enough? All you want is just more over the top brutal gory grim derp.
I'm starting to think Chaos player are the loudest in the community and are not happy that it's not "evil" enough and humanity still lives, so they cry and wine since years and sadly some of them work at GW and push everything in this way.
I also want more nuances but for crying out loud more grim dark would give us the exact opposite!
Agreed
Full agreement. It IS full on grimderp- it's not even an amusing grotesque like before, now it's edge for the sake of edge, worse than ever before
Id love to see the tau (farsight enclaves) fight demons when the grey knights arrive to assist, there would be many interesting options there
For more casual games, my playgroup is cool with me allying eldar with my Sisters or Grey Knights (granted with the caveat that my sister must have Stern & Kyganil.)
Makes for some really fun narrative games!
Guardsman killed after surviving a fight alongside Grey Knights?
Guardsman being reported KIA and pressed into kill teams for inquisition 👍
Gray knights are one of my least favourite factions, but i love this! Kinda wish they showed this vibe more often rather than just brooding murder hobos 😂 awsome vid
40k back then was more grimdark and was fun , nowadays 40k nowadays lack those things very much there is no more of that here even the new models aren't gothic like damn
Yeah the new models going all “tacticool” (especially the infamous Primaris weapons) is really lame, 40Kis becoming too milspec sci-fi imo
meh not really look up what the Redempteur dreadnought does to the pilot, that is why there are no venerable Redemptors.
mr gouldings short story sounded very much like heresy... havent heard from him for a while, I wonder what hes doing these days...
Aren't chapter masters allowed to know about the Grey Knights? I'm pretty sure thats how Grimnar knew who and where they were and sent a wolf to get them to fight angron
I like it, except for the part where he mentioned they were from Titan
Isn't supposed to be a secret?
Hmmmmm. There is some fan art in works with this now...
FINGERS CROSSED 👀
@livefromtheblacklibrary oh no I meant that literally. It's already in the works
Oh wow! You drawing it yourself or is it a commission?
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Commission. I am better with minis than pen. Which is where another fan project is coming into play as well
Prepare to be disappointed, gw loves the ultramarines.
Pain. Anguish, even.
So the Grey Knights and the whole moon of Titan need to be kaboomed
I would like to see some team ups more often. Shake up the dynamic a bit.
If the emperor ever returns to some form of active life, I‘d love for it to cause a scism in humanity with a lot of the high confessors claiming he isn‘t the real one since he denouces the religion that gives them power over people and they basically rebel. Maybe taking the bigger part of the imperium with them and leaving a maybe temporalily greatly weakend emperor and his till then returned sons with a reason to now deal more with xenos that the emperor never would have had a problem with even back in the great crusade.
He sent cato sicarius a vision about the tau being very important as allies against chaos and a vital part of humanities future once. He had trained with eldar as is evident in the end and the death. And eldarad ulthuan mentioned he considered him a close friend once.
So I could see the imperial truth faction ally with some craftworlds and maybe farsight to form a sort of Coalition of Reason in the galaxy.
Likely not to happem but would be cool
"Stuff like this would never be written in the 2020's"
But why actually ? Why did we come to such a rigid lore for 40k ? What happened to get to it ?
I'm asking because I've been a 40k fan for more than 15 years now and I don't see any problem regarding Grey Knights cooperating with Eldars or other unusual alliances...
It just makes the setting a bit more realistic and reliable than just every faction separated from the others without never any compromise.
I would love to see the Eldar getting more Ws
The Grey Knights and the Eldar have a very interesting understanding. I firmly believe that the Grey Knights know of the prophesy that the Eldar and Human race have an interwoven fate. Theres cooperation. Tolerance. Even to some degrees, shared respect.
This relationship between Grey knights and Eldars is awesome. As much as I hate Grey Knights, I like them here.
If I may, why do you hate grey knights?
@@lordchristoph9935 That thing... ''kill everyone who knows about you.''
@@pixelgun4789gray knights"hay we are trying to keep choas a secret ok...it's for your own good and well as ours"(shing,STAB)!!!!(Slump)!!
Things like lore dumping and mysteries make for excellent RUclips content, they don't always make for good stories. Stories that people want to actually read are character/plot driven. The story you cited is character and plot driven.
I also really like the idea of a chapter that is just "kill demons" above all else, that has zero qualms with xenos.
Nice video
How about Leagues of Votann sometimes?
Ohhhh maybe! I mention them in my Vashtorr video a bit but once they start appearing in novels I can really go in on them
@@livefromtheblacklibrary okay
Codex gives lot of juicy info too
Not the "entire Inquisition" it was one Inquisitor that try to strong arm the Wolves. The GK wasn't also not happy about that but had to follow his order and also made Plans with the other Inquisitors to assassinate Kysnaros (the Lord Inquisitor that startet this shit). Grimnar killed him in the end and Björn showed up and endet this all. The thing was that Kysnaros was not a Member of any Ordo and was also of unknown origin. Also he abused the GK for a Mission that was clearly not their Job and with that entire thing he damaged not only the SW but also the GK and other Imperial forces. So its the question if the damage was intended from a 3rd Party. ;)
Idk if retconned but in the older codex versions it was mentioned that the GL and Eldar (beside other Xenos) had some deals. The Tesserakt traps for Demons were provided by the Eldar and other Stuff. They also shared information's and a sort of cabal 2.0 going on. You may look at the first releases of GK, their a a lot mentioned but in the Wiki articles they just stated that their Equipment comes from "... even some alien factions".
With the new state of the Galaxy I think it would be very cool to have lots of refrences of gray knight activity. But to keep them mystirias still they shouldnt get a new noval or anything well maybe 1, but the gray knights actions should be felt, nothing directly confirmed, but demon princes found dead, hords found defeted, that sort of stuff, told from other prospective and never really knowing who did the deed.
"EYYYOOOMAN! . . ."
Head cannon the eldar made a statue of the grey knight.
I hope guilliman makes them an open organization now. Or even give them primaris
Why Gray knight must be such a hush-hush secret?
It's kinda ok about the warbands chaos thing but prehaps could be presented differently. It allows a kinda cannon creation room for
players while having solid fluff examples fleshed out to use for marketing and basic gateways into the narrative if it wasn't like this it would either be like how starwars/ star trek universes is constructed (narrative in a setting that self reference repeat) or have litte to no fluff only basics of setting and just basic descriptions of factions.
Are you going to do any more videos on the emperor's tarot cards?
Waiting for the last one to drop
oh this... but what about blood angels and necron team
Sometimes i feel like 40k is just gonna be made to please the masses since GW wants to go mainstream and so will leave their grimdarkness and cooler stories for more acceptable ones which everyone will gulp in because of mass produce
Yeah that’s exactly it unfortunately :/ they wanna be like Halo or Mass Effect because that’s what people expect
@@livefromtheblacklibrary 😔
I now want to run an Only War TTG and lead the characters into a doomed mission involving demons then after a few sessions just jump forward a year give a big exp drop reduce their insanity and give them all the corruption resistance trait but not tell them what happened in that year, drop them in a different conflict fighting a different enemy on a different world with a different unit. 🤣and if they ask me what happened say "you don't remember" and if they ask anyone else they don't know.
I feel like Malcador Benning there gean father makes more sense cuz Malcador made them and used himself as there temple
That's a white scar in the thumbnail, not a grey knight
No it’s a Grey Knight Purifier. Look at the helmet and symbol (old dagger on open book)
Hhe Gray Knights have been taking a backseat unfortunately.
I still recall them from Dark Crusade.
KITTEN!
Love the clowns and GK... Wishing they both werent horrible in 10th so i could play them and not xenos hunters :-(
Its more an agreement to return soul stones and stuff😊
Geneseed from the emperor? Thats custodes. Grey knights are pulled from the chapter elite no?
No Deathwatch are pulled from elite
@@livefromtheblacklibrary deathwatch is pulled from those with a certain genetic instability....
Is it Saturn or Jupiter where the moon of Titan is located?
“Titan is the largest moon of Saturn and the second-largest natural satellite in the Solar System. It is the only moon known to have a dense atmosphere, and is the only known object in space other than Earth on which clear evidence of stable bodies of surface liquid has been found.” From Wikipedia, yeah it’s Saturn
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Interesting, for some reason I thought it was Jupiter's moon, why did I think that.
@@livefromtheblacklibrary I had the GK codex too. Was just reading through, lol
@@heiroftheredeemer2828 quick way to remember, all of the moons of Jupiter are named after people Zeus/Jupiter fucked.
Imo grimdark is best when the characters are humanized, and the brave have hope, while others have given up or become jaded. That's why I like the Guard so much, because the average soldier knows they're most likely going to die, but a good number of them die believing in a better future, one that they are a sacrifice for others to reach. I feel like GW is too busy trying to keep the status quo, and has forgotten to give any hope of success to characters, even if its just a pipe dream. (Ik its GRIMdark, but it can have good characters at the same time while maintaining the 40k vibes)
I want the lamenters to get a book
Codex alpharius does not support this action
But Guilliman does 😏
@@livefromtheblacklibrary WHAT THE FU-
Ok you asked for our rants, man. So sorry, lol.
The entirety of Grey Knight lore, if taken literally as canon, causes me to look at them like this:
Grey Knights are space marines from dad's direct geneseed.
They are all powerful psykers. Each one is described as more powerful than a normal space marine librarian. But that would be too overpowered for the tabletop game, so there is some lore somewhere about them focusing all that crazy power into their force weapon or using it as part of some squad power usage in some weaker, communal capacity... or some BS that makes no sense when you could just have an army of librarians crush everything in sight.
They are not moral; they kill innocent allies for daemonic rituals instead of thinking harder, and they wipe out whole civilizations of innocents without a definite reason... "just to be sure".
This means the whole incorruptible thing has nothing to do with morality- they're just immune to Chaos because dad.
The Hallowed Ground rule in our new Warpbane Task force is really just silly inquisition code for "shadow of chaos", lol.
I used to think they were "holy" in the traditional moral sense used elsewhere in fiction. Nope.
There is no "holy" in 40k; the term is subjective.
this is still lore thy would im sure share true names
hey i play both of these
I know where it can be found. On Indrid cast youtube videos.
Random comment to help with algorithm
Much appreciated, because this one is kinda stuttering 🥲