THE KHAN ARGUES THE IMPERIAL TRUTH!
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Hi all Wolf Lord Rho here,
Today we kick off our week long special, dedicated to the Khagan himself! And we begin with discussing, Jaghatai Khans' first ever visit... to Terra.
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Wolf Lord Rho: he was made for one purpose
Me: to go fast
WLR: to be that unknown element
Me:of speed
Speed is not his only gift you know.
You made mt day, bless you mate :D
The Khan's purpose is beyond our understanding.
-The reverse emperor of the east, probably
@@chrisbennett6236 of course acceleration is another one
@@blehindableh 😂😂
LOYALIST CHANNEL
FOR THE EMPEROR.
He did Perturabo last. He's not a Loyalist.
You missed the parts were the kahn tells him what will happen when the lie is revealed. He basically called all of it. How many of the primarchs who turned said outloud he (the emperor) lied to us
***His POWER is he can see through peoples bullshit!***
This is why the Khan is now my second favorite loyalist Primarch. He is a badass
That comment about expectation of mortal sympathy... that is what Guilliman is suffering from now.
Does the khan have ADHD?
Khan has a primitive look that hides the most cultured and informed mind of all primarchs thats why he is one of my favorites. Not a blind believer or a slave traitor.
Indeed I do.
Read the convo between Angron and Russ.
Several people knew what Emps was, it just wasn't a big conversation between brothers
@Ben Siener I now want to hear what YOU define as culture. Because the Mongolian high steps themes is a culture.
I wouldn’t call it blind belief.
@Benjyy X "Cultured: characterized by refined taste and manners and good education"
"Culture: the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively."
*Also*
"the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group"
So in some ways sure. They are different. But the overall definition they are pretty close.
Emperor: you wish to know what gift jhagatai has?
Remembrancer: yes my lord!
Emperor: it all started when I saw this movie called fast and furious 28000 years ago....
Fast and Furious could pass for a title of the Khan
lol that is so good
Fast and Furious only wish they could keep up with the Khan
Nothing is as fast as family though 😜
Lol
You say say that Alpharius isn’t the most unknown Primarch as if it’s controversial. Of course he’s well understood. I know all about him because I am him, and you are too!
I am Alpharius
I am Omegon.
I am Alpharius and I approve this message.
@@julejule7 You are Alpharius
No no I'm Alpharius
The Khan is another A+ student so the Emperor gave him less attention.
Meanwhile Guiliman: "Wait you guys get attention?"
Laughs in Angron
that was the clearest way of putting it. the great Khan had the Emperors confidence.
Hawk boi :3
Guiliman was not at the trail of Magnus the Red...
He was not at the Triumph...
HE WAS TOO BUSY GETTING IT DONE! (Age of Empires theme)
It's interesting that Jaghatai knew about Chaos at this point. Guess that throws out the theory that ONLY Johnson knew of Chaos before the Heresy.
He doesn't know of Chaos IE Old Night, just that the Warp is a thing and things reside in there. his view is arguably Naive due to no real exposure to what the Realm of Souls has become.
corax knew too, he mentioned some of the machines on the planet were fueled bhy the warp
The Khan and Corax knew about the Warp, not Chaos. Two things which are not synonymous.
@@blackmage665 Doesn't matter if he knew precisely what resided there, he knew it existed. Remember most Imperial citizens had no clue the Warp existed at all. And still throws the Johnson theory. Though Magnus and Mortarion growing up on Chaos worlds had already thrown that theory out.
@@johnsilver5783 Usually yes but they knew malevolent entities resided there. It doesn't matter that they didn't know the precise inhabitants they still knew they existed.
That Magnus and Mortarion also grew up on Chaos worlds had already thrown this theory out. Plus Perturabo through intellect and intuition knew there were malevolent forces that existed in the Eye of Terror. And yes again I'm aware he didn't know exact details.
Truthfully it wouldn't make any sense for the Emperor to tell Johnson, Magnus or Mortarion as they were already aware of Chaos and the dangers it held. So if it wasn't Horus it had to be Sanguinius could neither Guilliman or Dorn knew at this point. It also wouldn't have made any sense to tell any Primarch that I haven't listed as they would have been completely in the dark. Jaghatai and Perturabo knew through exceptional intuition. Plus we have no way of knowing how many of the Primarchs Malcador may have told. By their conversation he wasn't surprised Jaghatai knew so either Jaghatai guessed correctly at an earlier date or Malcador told him. The later seems highly unlikely as this was their first time meeting.
Alpharius and Omegon's secretiveness is deliberate, a choice they made, but The khan is genuinely unknowable, without any sort of effort spent on it
The Khan is the embodiment of the old addage that a plan, planned to absolute perfection, is doomed to fail. There will always be a rogue element you can't plan for, make contingencies for. So, the Emperor made it himself.
Genius idea
I think you missed the point. Jaghatai thought they should tell Imperial citizens about Chaos, thinking they could better prepare for it. It wasn't that Jaghatai or the Emperor had a single linear plan they just differed on how to get the end goal.
A contingency plan is like a good middle finger to the Changer of Ways.
@@svagglaorde4387 JUST AS PLANNED! or IS IT?
@@chrisbennett6236or at least warn the Primarchs the dangers of Chaos. You’d think prepping your generals with the invaluable intelligence on his greatest enemies would be an obvious decision.
I'm pretty sure the Emperor smiled to himself. There's a certain pride in knowing someone or something is doing what you made them for.
@Phocron That was my thought as well. We know from other videos on this channel that Jaghatai and The Emperor respected each other even though they rarely agreed. So it was logical to assume he took great pride in Jaghatai.
“Your tools will open your veins instead” he is referring to the fact that if he continually places the primarchs in the shit, they are going to turn on him.
Maybe he was pissed bout the word bearers gettin punished at monarchia
disrespected or mishandled weapons will sooner rather than later cut yourself instead of the enemy...
@@SpectralArrow Did that happen just after the Khan was found? I thought at that point, most Primarchs have been found.
Yup. And he was 100% right. For all that rho here claims that the Khan didn't understand what the emperor needed to do, the Khan was nonetheless right.
@@TheStrangeBloke The Emperor is always very good at rationalising his actions. (A bit like a certain Avenging Son...)
Jaghatai Khan is the wildcard. He is meant to be mysterious.
Will the White Scars show up for a magic carpet ride thru the ranks of a bunch of squishy heritics? Who knows. Maybe. Maybe not
Remembrancer: So what is the Khans gift?
BIG E: He's a speedy boi
Let it begin white scar week shall be legendary
*tips hat* Lord Inquisitor, good to see you, snazzy picture as always
Great Angel *Tips hat back* and to you good sir always a pleasure to see you
These make my days man, getting on to YT seeing WLR with a 22 minute vid? Thats a good feeling.
Hell yeah bro grab a brush and a glass of scotch and get loose baby!! That's my favorite
Well said, Rho - 'in the end he understands why the emperor made the decisions he did.' At the end of The Path of Heaven, when Jaghatai is standing in Dark Glass and pieces together what the emperor's plan was without ever being told any part of it, I remember wondering if any of the other loyalist primarchs could have pieced together the emperor's plan in the same circumstances. Maybe part of his inscrutability is his ability to see through deceptions and intuit the purpose of a given object or action (like he did with the alpha legion in Scars)?
Corax also figured it out. I don't know if he'd figured it out by this point but he does. Difference is he agreed with the Emperor.
I know it is a lot to ask, but PLEASE include the conversation between the White Scars Stormseer and Malcadors agent just before this meeting!! It is pure White Scar Gold! They lay out the imperial truth, and the Stormseer just instant says; That is wrong!
Damn,last time I was this early the C'tans diet was still mainly consisting of star radiation.
and the necrons still were fleshy bois
And still celestial fart gas
Emperor: ...and this is why I decided to (insert instances of Primarch mistreatment here).
Jaghatai Khan: You are a sucky dad, and if you keep on sucking, everything will suck.
Emperor: Go suck an exhaust pipe Biker Bowie, you know I have good reasons.
Jaghatai Khan: Golden armour and eloquence don't make you any less of an asshole.
If we had a sitcom-style series with the Primarchs as teenagers growing up raised by a single-father Emperor, Malcador would be the best uncle everybody would love.
I think that is the Emperors purpose and reasoning for the Warhawk. It causes the enemy to have a fear of the unknown. Jagatai is totally unpredictable, even to his brothers. For the Emperor, The Khan and Chogoris!!!!. Another great vid and upload by WLR! Cheers mate
Dorn would need more than a week, he is that awesome! Let us fortify the like button brothers!
Nah :P
Sleepy sack rhymes with Valrak?
I'll SIEGE your comment.
Only because there's vastly more lore on Dorn. They only recently started giving us lore on the Primarchs not named Johnson, Russ, Sanguinius, Guilliman, Dorn or Horus. Even Angron's lore has always been pretty basic.
"Be thankful he is able to converse with you at all".....so much in that line.
What I loved about the Khan’s meeting with Malcador is that Malcador is saying exactly what the truth is - using a lie. Humanity was not ready to deal with the warp. Not in any way, but least to deal with its temptation. It reminds me of Oppenheimer’s quote after the Trinity test: I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds. A necessary evil or a power play? Good and evil are rarely so obvious. What the god-emperor does is morally grey, even wrong, but I don’t doubt his intentions. The simple truth of 40k’s galaxy is that it was always brutal, brutal long before the emperor was created, long before humans even evolved. The Necrontyr, the C’tan, the Eldari, even the Old Ones destroyed entire civilizations and had day-to-day death, brutality, and violence in spades.
There’s a portion of 40k’s community that really can’t wrap their minds around it. To these sweet summer children, if only the Emperor was a kindly old dad who called his sons ‘sport’ and played catch with them after school, the galaxy would be a peaceful, heavenly place. We can harshly judge the emperor, because every moral issue is always looked at in a vacuum. We can play Monday morning quarterback easily.
Malcador explained it so simply: survival means playing hardball. Sometimes it means making decisions that suck, and mistakes are costly. Sometimes it means the few get a bad turn in order to safeguard the many. This scene is where the Khan starts to realize the truth of what it requires for humans to survive at all. Because at the end of the day, as bad as the Imperium is, as awful as the conditions of life are in it, it is a miracle there is any life at all. The universe- in 40k or in our own - is not a friendly place, and damn does it ever want to kill you.
I feel like Perturabo and Ferrus Mannus are more unknown in this day and age, not to mention the two missing ones. The Khan has gotten a lot of love lately. Not that I mind since he's in my top 3 list for sure.
"Your world was not Caliban"
Maybe it’s just me being a salamander fanboy but I’d love to see Vulkan and The Khan interact with each other and I don’t think it’s a coincidence malcador mentions him. I feel that Vulkan is everything that Jaghatai fails to see in the Emperor, the humanity and care for the average citizen that Vulkan is known for combined with the fact he is the only primarch that didn’t want to be a warlord or general would make for an interesting combination with Jaghatai’s views explained here.
“The inner workings of my mind are an enigma”
-Patrick Khan
Somewhere, out there in the imperium, a carton of milk mysteriously falls over and spills.
I think they Khan represents the emperor's freedom and independence. The emperer has forgotten since he devoted his life in service and preservation of mankind. At any moment in history the emperor could have walked away from it all, but has bound him self literally to the fate humanity.
This begs the question, was the emperor "free" at any point? Since his birth and past lives he has always been meant to be the protector of man. Maybe when he created the Khan it was like a father giving his child something which he never truely had. Maybe this why the Khan during the heresy the Khan never picked a side until the he found the reason for it him self on Prospero.
Malcador dunks on the primarchs week begins!
My favorite bit from that passage from that bit: 'I have heard this before,' the Primarch said. 'There were empires on my home world that offered freedom to their slave castes, but only when they were ready. That moment, strangely enough, never came. In the end they had to take it for themselves, to die for it, and even then there were some who said the day had come too soon.' He looked back at the Sigillite. ' The Truth will come out. You won't be able to hold the blindfold in place, and once it slips, the fury of those you deceived will be limitless.'
Jaghatai doesn't come to understand the "necessity," of the Imperial Truth, he comes to understand that there's no point in arguing. Just like I haven't come to understand the "necessity" of the DMCA, but I have come to understand that there's no point in arguing because it's not going to change.
The Khan is a complete mystery to everybody because he says EXACTLY what he means, in a universe where everybody tries to attach a deeper meaning to their words.
In a way, he confounds everyone because not only does he not play by the same rules as everyone else, he doesn't even seem to know that there are rules in the first place.
He genuinely isn't trying to be mysterious and dissembling, but nobody seems to grasp that.
Contrast to Alpharius, who goes out of his way to be mysterious, understands the rules better than anyone and tries to bend them into a pretzel.
The Imperial Truth was necessary, because Chaos isn't something you can "solve," and if you know about Chaos, you start seeing it everywhere: every brothel, every political party, all mention of duels and honorable combat, every fringe political party or scholarly tradition...all of them, and more, can give rise to cults that can threaten entire worlds. Yet, to address Chaos, you need to create a system of such horrible oppression that no Primarch would willingly agree to see it made. Each one would try though, and each would offer a different "solution" stemming from their own experience, and each one would be flawed in ways they couldn't see, because they needed experience with it that they simply lacked.
It would come down to "blindly trust the Emperor while he's creating the most oppressive regime in history," and that just means giving them even *more* reason to turn traitor. All the Emperor could do was buy time, and hope the Primarchs would eventually come to understand the danger as they fought Chaos fueled powers in the Crusade.
exactly
@@tawnykyle-cm5eq This^^
For being the Emperor of mankind, observe mankind for millennia, he made the simplest dumb mistake any leaders could made....
I’m not sure if the Imperial Truth was necessary or that it would have worked in the end.
For starters, the Imperial Truth was a lie, and the Emperor embodied said lie. His size, powers, and even charisma were all because he is and was a living god in human flesh.
And while I can understand that much like a child, you don’t go into great details about the true darkness of the world…to lie and cover up it’s existence is a mistake. Especially when the darker truths do end rearing their ugly head. Because how do you fight against something you were told doesn’t exist? Especially as doubt, anxiety, and fear creeps in as you lose faith in one you thought would never lead you astray.
I think it would have been better if the Emperor had explained and instilled in all a humanity greater intuition of how to recognize and resist Chaos…rather than deny it’s existence. All this happened because of that, and that the Imperial Truth is an Imperial Lie that would uphold as humanity spread across the galaxy.
While I understand what the Emperor was trying to do and avoid, it ultimately backfired tremendously for pretty clear reasons.
Uriah of the Last Church of Terra realized and warned The Emperor about this in his final moments, yet the Emperor refused to listen. Yet even while he decried gods and being one, The Emperor played and acted as a god all the while. Even killing more people and committing more atrocities then the zealous, religious crusades he condemned.
This isn’t to say The Emperor Of Mankind is incompetent, but highlights the fact that even the most intelligent and skilled are not immune to making catastrophic errors. Especially when they look at the bigger picture of without considering the details (AKA individuals and their own agency) who compose said bigger picture.
IMHO, it would have been better if he had embraced the role instead. Especially since it’s implied he directly influenced most of mankind’s religions.
Why didn’t the emperor kill the Kharn for not agreeing with the imperial truth?
"Ride like the Wind"
THIS! This right here is by fare my all time favorite thing about the Great Khan. I have allways believed the imperial truth a useful but ultimately distasteful Lie. So many Primarchs bought the lie completely, but The Khan did not buy it for a second!
Jaghatai seeing a bike: "What kind of horse is this?"
Again dude, the quality of your vids are just leagues ahead of other's.
Everytime you cover a primarch I'm like..well guess I'm starting this army now....
Does the Emperor or malcedor ever say sorry to the Khan during the siege? The Khan predicted the devolution of the primarchs, and even the devolution of humanity after the heresy. He even gives the reason for it and points malcedor at his own bias against humanity which is poisoning their great crusade. I feel like a sorry and a you were right is owed to him.
Man... I have been listening to you for over 2 years now and have a single complaint, I can't understand when the reading ends and your comments begin and find myself needing to listen to the same thing 3 times to get it... You newer stuff is a bit better than these older ones I will give you that.
“…once the Khan saw chaos he knew his father was right…”
Except he wasn’t right. At least in as far as not telling his primarchs.
Once your done with Khan week, could you give your father some care by looking at his conversation with his illusion duplicat in wolfsbane? It really nails some important sides to his nature.
Two faces of a single man is likely also a reference to Alpharius and Omegon. All the Primarchs are meant to be aspects of the Emperor. I firmly support the idea that Malcador is the one remaining shaman left that did not become part of the gestalt figure known as the Emperor.
"Scorn not your tools"
Wise words that could have prevented the heresy. Maybe focusing on the here and now rather than the infinite can better enable you to watch your back. Now I see why the Emperor was uncertain of the Khan's loyalty at the start of the heresy, he loved freedom a lot and disagreed with imperial truth
Alpharius is more known to us than the Khan..... Alpharius would agree.
Wait until I come back. Just wait.
We are waiting brother.
Did your alarm clock was Also dameged like Lions?
@@rogaldorn3900 Yes.
1:55 me when I’ve pirated every single 40k novel
I can't believe I'm 14 hours late. What is happening? Is the warp tampering with the notifications?
Yes. Via its servant, RUclips..
Top 5 primarchs
Sanguinius
Leman Russ
Lion el’jonson
The khan
Konrad Curze
So glad it's the Khan's week! My favorite by far
You kick ass Rho!
He only has one weakness.
Great walls.
How are you going to sit there and say Khan is more mysterious than Alpharius/Omegon?
@@chrisbennett6236 The Khan is an unknowable force that moves at a fearsome velocity towards the enemies of man, then disappearing without a trace with the same haste once said enemies are crushed. That is what we know of the Khan.
Why do you assume that he’s sitting?
Khan's hidden power is he can shuffle dance like a boss.
The Khan is free. He would never be a slave to chaos. He doesn't like cities or great wealth, he wants to ride and fight.
He's also amazing at seeing lies. He sees Malcador for what he is and sees the big e as what he ultimately is. He wouldn't or couldn't fall to the lies chaos needs to succeed.
Primarch #2- Jag, it's not that big of a deal. People were pretty burned out by the time I.....
*Jaghati staring*
Primarch #2- OK, it was pretty awsome....possibly bigger than the ones Horus and Leman had.....which makes that much more awsome. Look Bro, I gotta go help Sibling #11 with this...Random? Rangoon? Rang....not gonna matter once me and the my boys deal with it. I'm gonna go make quick work of some Xenos, rub it in 11's face, I come back, we take a bike out with some bats and smash every mailbox on Terra. It's gonna be great.
Jaghati- What would we do without you?
Primarch #2- Fall apart. I don't even want to imagine what would happen without me around.....alright, I'll be back, this shouldn't take long.
Ah jaghatai. Inspired by the chagatai khanate, the name of khan lives even through fantasy universe. Long live the Khan!
One thing that doesn't make sense to me is that the Emperor is the strongest psyker ever, but people still follow him. To be so, he has to understand Chaos better than anyone else, Malcador commented on this to Dorn. So how was his mind not addled when he had a deep comprehension of madness itself ? Can you even tap into the Immaterium without ever touching Chaos ? Then how did he do it and why isn't the method widespread? The answer to those question brings the validity of the Imperial Truth as a strategy into question.
Your mistake is assuming that “Jaghatai” is not Alpharius
JK comes from a culture that us highly spiritual on Chogoris. Given they are based around ancient Mongols. Their belief system means a lot to them. Going to Terra and being told that everything that he was told in his formative years, everything he has seen is a lie. Is something that was NEVER going to go down well. The tact that the Emperor should have used with JK should have been quite different to the other Primarchs.
Been looking forward to the week of the Khan.
I think that Jaghatai was being a hypocrite when he called the emperor a "Tyrant'. How many people on his foster world of Chigoris would say the same about you Jaghatai. Compared to other Primarchs, you have lived a rather cushy carefree (by comparison) life. The emperor imo has been more forthcoming with you that maybe even Guilliman (sounds weird to say it). But you were there at the gates as the wolves (sorry, no insult intended, Great wolf). Not even Robute or the 1st son can say that! Just give the old man a break. Imagine your worst day, and compare it him losing EVERYTHING He has strived for 40,000+ years to accomplish . He grand scheme turned to dust!
Well you proved you don't know shit about Jaghatai or Chigoris . Congrats you made yourself look stupid.
Take notes.
Chigoris is a feral feudal world. If you don't know what that means it means it has big nasty beasts that eat citizens for breakfast, lunch, dinner and snacking on the side. It also means until Jaghatai united the various clans it was in a constant state of war. And after he would have to deal with rebellions. Jaghatai has not had easy life by any stretch. You are thinking of Primarchs like Guilliman and Fulgrim.
You sound like one of those simpletons that think ONLY Chaos presents any kind of danger at all. News flash feral, feudal and eco-trashed planets are just as dangerous and just as harsh. The danger is simply different.
@@chrisbennett6236 can you give a response without the petty insults?
@@JohnJohn-ui6tw I believe the Khan short of just let the clans do there own thing instead of just ruling, Khan only was leader cause he was the strongest but he never really force his will onto anyone. He only went to war just to end stupid pointless wars, he no emperor just a leader keeping the peace. He really part of the few primarchs who you can safely say is not an emperor of his planet, just a guy who yells at people to stop fighting and unite.
Edit: you can see his shock the emperor is forcing his beliefs onto people and purging whole cultures. The opposite of what the khan did and so to the Khan, the emperor seems to just be another tyrant, it a shock plus he was just told he has to do the same. To purge and kill thousands of people but then he also has to tell a LIE to them, that a lot for a person of honor to take.
You sound like a very confused angry nerd😂😂by the way the kahn told malcador what would happen when the lies are revealed. Guess what happened😂
Being bound to the truth is a difficult way to live life. It causes intense pain, and truth-be-told, much of it serves very little benefit.
I envy people who are able to interpret ANYTHING and EVERYTHING (that is subjective) in a manner that makes their life easier. (Most people do this.)
This is why I believe intellect, or observational prowess, MUST be strongly correlated to depression.
I've been working my way through all of the primarch stories from the HH to modern 40k. Hands down the Khan is my favorite. He is independent, noble, courageous, selfless, and intelligent. He loves his people and always does what he believes is best for them.
I believe he represents the big E's conscience. That's why he wasn't trusted during the HH, because E knows that if the Khan decided the Emperor was more wrong than right, he would have rebelled, without compromise.
Jaghatai power is thinking outside the box and thus making the best decision you can.
Jagatai: *sees his brothers betraying the Imperium* Imma join the Imperium to kick your asses! Wildcard, bitches!! Yeeeeehaaw!
Khan is amazing. And he actually gets the truth that the imperial truth is a lie. There is gods. His book is really important. Since you seem come to understand why they choose this path.
A in depth conversation between the uncle and nephew . the quite ones truly are the most interesting in the Kahn. Silence being the golden nod to make him what you want . but a loyal son no matter what .
Second favorite primarch after Rogal. I can see Jaghatai and Rogal bonding over how blunt and honest both of them are
the emperor definitely watched cars because Khan real name is Lightning McQueen.
"Jaghatai Khan, the most unknown Primarch."
2nd and 11th Primarchs: Are we a joke to you!? Wait... Don't answer that.
They don't actually count as they don't really exist. A number with no details isn't a log entry.
It’s canon that the Emperor is a combination of all the remaining Shaman so they could reincarnate together into a single being to protect humanity... It makes sense one would have stayed behind to protect and educate the infantile new combo / Emperor, as it’s too big an investment to risk losing to the ruinous powers / going off course. It would also explain why Malcador is old and sickly but exhibits all the same powers as the emperor but on a lower power scale.
It isn't actually canon. First because that's not how 40k works. Second that is simply one of a few theories on how he came into being. A good theory but far from canon.
I feel like the Khan makes all the right choices of one who has no knowledge of the future, like explaining and treachhing people about chaos is the best defence but would yake too long and his forewarnings to the emperor are so right because he is explaining how it would bw seen by those who cant aee the future
There are times where Pup Lord Rho is reading the passages, and I get goosbumps. Love this channel.
If we get a new loyalist Primarch .... I hope its Jaghatai :)
Jaghatais gift?
*===S P E E D===*
he says i am going to enjoy this week but he says that about every week
No one know what is the k thinking
Thats my secret dady not even me 🐔
Fiaaaaaunnnn
Are there conversations between the khan and the lion? That would be interesting would they even say anything to each other or just stand around in awkward silence?
Silence doesnt have to be awkward, there aré a lot of people confortable with silence and a lot of people confortable with being Alone, like the Lion
A few grunts and nods. But they wouldn't need more than that.
Will you do a ferrus manus week at some point?
Best primarch week
Perturabo is the best… but they ruined him with the demon stuff.. beneath him
So 2 things stand out to me.
1st. The Emperor is supposed to possess traits that all the Primarchs have, but I've always wondered about alpharius and omegon. The Emperor doesn't have a twin. Or does he, or will he. A twin that already died, a twin that will exist in the warp and he on this plane. Or is malcador the Emperor's omegon as the Khan almost puts in as a suggestion. Could it be malcador is the Emperor's twin mimicking the deceit of alpharius and omegon. Deceit that the Emperor and malcador and the Emperor perform for the betterment of mankind, that also maybe even the alpha legion does.
2. Everything malcador says is always told 2nd hand. If the Emperor really has sacrificed and done so much and given up so much, why not tell these things to the Primarchs but it seems as though he has not shared one thing with any of the Primarchs, he tells them nothing. Malcador knows more because he can handle more?!? Whatever. I think if malcador knows more and is speaking the truth, its only because he is part of and connected to the Emperor by more than just friendship. Other than that he could be just as deceived as anyone. The only truth malcador knows is what the Emperor tells him. The Emperor is really the only one that knows anything and he can paint the canvas anyway he chooses, to malcador and anyone else. When the Emperor went into the warp and came out more powerful and with the knowledge of how to create the Primarchs... Only the Emperor knows what happened and what was said. The Emperor and the chaos gods. The Emperor could tell malcador anything he wanted. I will say this... The Emperor came out of the warp just as powerful on a grander scale, just like Horus did.
"The Truth known to only one man is just as good as a lie never spoken"
There a reason malcador know more than the primarch, it's because he can not be corrupted by the chaos.
Many 'loyalist' and 'traitor' primarch can have a very different role in the great game, that the case for the lion and jaghatan, at one point of the great crusade, they go to the warp gate on moloch with horus and fulgrim to be presented to the chaos god by the emperor. 4 primarch for 4 god.
Another exemple is mortarion, where in a game of prediction to know what better hand the emperor can have against chaos, he stay loyal to the imperium in the predecents sets and was supposed to stand, when the emperor see that he changed his loyalty, the god emperor was saddened.
So it's not so strange that the emperor say nothing to his sons, any primarch can betray him until the heresy happen.
An exemple of that, was when the lion after seizing powerfull weapon of siege from open traitorious legion give them to perturabo, who later use them on terra.
@@magnusmaximus1415 but we will never know if those that betrayed the Emperor betrayed him because they were kept ignorant in the 1st place and would the ones that remained loyal have remained loyal if they had known the truth.
I rather an ugly truth any day over a pretty lie.
About Malcador... He can be corrupted. There is actually no such thing as being uncorruptible. All the stuff talking about anyone cant be corrupted is just part of the 40k fluff propaganda. There are hints that even grey Knights can be corrupted if you read their codex and then go back and read it again. And the grey knights are made from the Emperor's own gene seed. Which hints at the fact that even the Emperor himself could be corrupted under the right circumstances. Their is no incorruptibility, just more highly resistant to chaos than others. The Emperor is just more resistant than everyone else. The Emperor in a conversation with Malcador among all the betrayals happening even actually asks Malcador if he has listened to the whispers chaos, cause the Emperor even knows that Malcador as powerful and as resistant to chaos as he is, isnt more powerful and not beyond corruption from the the chaos gods either.
@@leatherjacket9
nah, they were corruptible, not because the emperor kept his mouth shut about the chaos god, but because of their own reason.
the reality is much more worse than a dark stranger with many sweet and promise who manipulate you into is dark scheme, you need to remember for what kind of reason each traitor betray the imperium :
angron betray the imperium because he wanted to die like a slave onto his planet, and because the emperor save his ass, he wanted the imperium to crumble and he begin with his own son with a little chip...
perturabo betray because he feel that emperor sama and the imperium doesn't recognize him and all his effort to be a great warlord when he spent his son and allies live into the war meatgrinder like money.
alpha betray because the only thing he wanted was to destroy the chaos god, so he know what kind of danger it is, at the cost of humanity.
conrad kurze betray because he wanted to punish the imperium for the grimdark future he help to create in the first place so the snake bite his own tails.
mortarion betray because the emperor, for what we know, remind him his foster dad on barbarus.
lorgar betray because he wanted a god to worship, and the emperor refuse him that.
and you need to remember that is canon that there are people who can resist the temptation of chaos, ferrus manus and his many clones never bent to the will of chaos god, the lion even when a duke of changes wanted to corrupt him, sanginus accept his own death and the damnation of his own legion even after he saw a future where his legion are uncursed, malcador can hear the whisper, but it's doesn't meant that he accept to obey them, you need to remember that he stay loyal to the emperor, and the grey knight are the few who stay pure in their fight against the great enemy.
so yeah, there are people who can be corrupt, even a demigod, but not always because they believe into the lies of the chaos, but by their own reason even when fully know what chaos god are (many heretic inquisitor can state that), and you need to remember that not all people are corruptible, if not, there a long time ago that the imperium of man fell under the boot of chaos god to lick it.
@@magnusmaximus1415 I don't know where you got that the Emperor was just going to give four of his greatest sons over to the Chaos gods but I do know that from the beginning he never intended to honor the bargain with them, hence why they took and scattered them while they infants.
@@chrisbennett6236
i never say he wanted to honor the bargain, what i say is that he presented 4 son to the 4 chaos god on molech, and in the actual setting, each chaos god has his primarch champion, angron/khorne, fulgrim/slaanesh, nurgle/mortarion, tzeench/magnus, and it's interesting because even the chaos wanted different primarch before the heresy, but their fate finally is very different, lion and the khan stay loyal, horus never became the champion of a god, only fulgrim keep his fate unchanged.
Had me going for a moment there at the halfway point.
“Yea he’s a slave, But he’s god favorite slave”
wolf lord rho the emperor's shill🤣
Wait what's this about Kaliban? What happened at kaliban >_
The world was tainted by Chaos. It tried to tempt the Lion from his arrival. It failed.
Planet infested with some type Warp creatures balanced or throttled by ewoks. Cough*
Then there are bad feel feels and people get butt hurt. The lion flips out and bombards his world to shit then chaos gods get mad over more feel feels and the warp rips the weakened planet apart.
Then their is a rock filled with powered armored feel feels that tantrum over the original butt hurt feel feels.
@@kelman727 rumours, all rumours spread by alpha legion agents to undermine the glorious 1st. There was no chaos uprising on Caliban, no schism, nothing happened.
You can interpret this in an other way...A deal with the gods (hinted in other novels ) and malcador just sucks i hate him...Always crying about the old night, never lifted a sword to fight against the horrors, always hiding behind the emperor without seeing the flaws in the whole projekt.
Rain89 Skarlet Trying to bring the Imperium together and administrating it is not ‘lifting a sword’?
Did the Emperor sacrifice everything that made him human?
He's unknowable in the biblical sense 😉
The khan was supposed to turn!! But he didn’t!!! He made his own choices and decisions and was far to head strong for chaos!!!! FOR THE KHAN
The Khan should have been warmaster.
i love the khan he stayed not because of blind loyalty but because of logical thinking
"Be thankful that you can converse with him at all."
That didn't age well...