the 40K fandom: there is no way they can get that sword the PAYDAY gang: guys, the clown god of the eldar has a job for us, the khorn sword, go get it.
The thing is, the Eldar god of death doesn’t need to kill Slaneesh. It only need to defeat her to the point Slaneesh loses dominion over Eldar souls. GW really screwed over Eldar players. Major Kill had a good way of fixing it.
The mental image of Ynnead slicing slaanesh open and having an ocean of twisted and screaming eldar souls pour out of him, and him SURVIVING, is such a great visual and probably even more fitting for the lore too. It would definitely weaken him, but he wouldn’t get benched for very long like in AOS. I imagine getting cut open is very painful (shocker), so what if slaanesh survives being cut open by feeding off of his own extreme pain. As for the eldar, not entirely sure what would happens with them tbh. What would they need their spirits stones for now?
It's like the equivalent of that scene from Dragonball Z where Gohan punches Perfect Cell so hard in the stomach that Android 18 comes out. And then he just powers up again anyway somehow.
@DemigodoftheSea I understood every word of that, but I have no idea what any of it means. GW have been employing an edgy 11 year old as their lead writer of lore for some time now. The latest batch of writers don't understand what they have or how to balance anything. They only know how to sell Space Marines, and that's only because Space Marines sell themselves.
@@christopheraaron1255 The idea is basically that you can drag the souls of the Eldar out of Slaanesh, and then offer some reason as to why Slaanesh survives, and then regains that power by some other means.
I quite like Majorkills fan plot were Ynead squared off against a shard of Slaanesh and had to give it's life but before dying was able to close the imperial webway permanantly lifting a massive burden off the Emperor's shoulders.
This would be awesome. I'd love to see the Kaghan return. Ever since his fight with Morty in Warhawk, I've had much respect for him as a character. And this is coming from a dyed in the wool member of the IX since 1993.
Honestly, the Ynnari plotline could've actually gone somewhere. I doubt GW would've killed off Slaanesh, but the Eldar having their strongest god on the field would at least give them a fighting chance. Could end up being a situation similar to AoS where who wins is more uncertain rather being a guaranteed Chaos victory like the story of 40k has been so far, how Warhammer Fantasy was up until the End Times where Chaos did win, and how some GW writers themselves said that a Chaos victory isn't a matter of if, but when. Just kind of defeats the purpose of rooting for any other side of one is guaranteed a victory.
Nah the point is to root for the hopeless. The stars will burn out and chaos will win one day... but not today! Gods of Mars trilogy is depressing; heretical magos finds a machine that can reignite dying stars, but it does so by creating black holes in the past. 40k is mankind vs cosmic inevitability
At the cost of the imperium somehow. Any squeaky clean victory would be boring. It would also re-flair up tensions between the imperium and the Eldar to continue the setting as a war gaming backdrop. Imperium vs Eldar could be the main thread of 11th edition.
I really hope the necron plot is continued where the silent king and roboute make “peace”, but it’s very rocky, and only a few dynasties are willing to cooperate. Still giving room for Necrons to fight the imperium, but pushing the plot forward to closing parts of the rift off to reconnect half the galaxy.
after the eldar have become irrelevant as just a imperial vassal state you now want the necrons also to become just a imperial pet? anything interesting about them removed and the setting turned into a black and white pile of marvel boringness why why do we want bad storywriting so badly
@@ashardalondragnipurake you know what I said? The silent kind has one of the rockiest relationships with the imperium, it’s been done before with the blood angels, and they where far from pets, in fact the blood angels where used as bait the entire time that the Necrons where teamed up with the Blood Angels.
I think ynari shuold prepare a big assoult to slaanesh's palace to take the cronesword, all of their troops ready to jump in the warp enter the portals... and then for some immaterium shenanigans just miss their spot. They aren't in slaanesh's palace but in nurgle's garden. But not all hope is lost, there they can liberate isha, maybe with the help of leman russ who is searcing for the three of life (which corrisponds to isha). This would make yinari still lore relevant, but not cut slaanesh out. Ps. Sorry for typos, i don't have any respect for this language
The other option is that defeating slaanesh doesn't kill slaanesh, only weaken them and unhitch the eldar from slaanesh (plus steal a bunch of souls from slaanesh). They did soemthing like this in AOS so... Another way to do it is take inspiration from a plotline from the end times/AOS (as it was refurenced in the 2019 slaanesh battle tome). Ie have Lileath have a secret realm and daughter that the ynari discover
There are a few ways to fix the eldar plot line, one killing a chaos god does not mean the chaos god will always be dead, freeing the goddess Nurge has imprisoned is another big win that can happen, reforging Khane could happen.. Like that is just the top of my head.
It would be awsome if the next ynnari book series has them split into three groups One being forced to help khorne warbands and redeming skarbrand to break into slaanesh palace to take the key. Another helping the harlequin with aiding the dark eldar from their doom while finding those worthy of being saved. And the third led by eldrad trying to assemble all shards of khain to rebuild him some from against the greater daemons while being chased by a united night lords army led by decimus.
A plot line I’d like to see is a new Iron Warriors warband following around Vashtorr as various enemies come for them. Like you have the Necrons/Eldar who don’t want the lock opening, the Imperium led by the Lion out for revenge, and possibly even the other Chaos gods not wanting competition (Word Bearers vs Iron Warriors maybe?) Could be grounds for a really cool trilogy from the viewpoint of a modern day warband.
The way the Ynari worked, at least in 9th, was you could combine all eldar factions as a single army, including harlequins and Drukhari. Only catch is for every Drukhari/harlequin unit you use, you need to add a craftworld unit of the same role whether that be troops and such. Though it wasn’t as popular I believe as you lose many benefits each unit/model gets from their respective faction. Along with the fact that most abilities relied on you having to be at half strength (where your unit is down to half of what they were, like 5 models remain in a 10 model unit), something that, to me at least, isn’t as good given how fragile they are. Since a 5 man squad of tactical marines could do decent damage given they would he wounding on 3’s and cause of rapid fire. More than likely either killing the eldar unit entirely or reducing them to an amount that won’t make the ability matter as much.
Tabletop Ynnari exists to justify Eldar soup. You make Yvraine your warlord and then you can field Aeldari, Drukhari, and Harlequins together. There are some lore restrictions like you can't have Phoenix Lords and Harlequin Solitaires but that is really it. If GW want to develop the Eldar more they should have Yvraine or the wider Ynnari help oust Vect from Commorragh to unify/combine the Aeldari and Drukhari armies into one force. Also start making Exodites models. Space elves riding dinosaurs with laser beams is something that sells itself.
40k noob here... could exodites be included in the Ynnari as well or are they basically covered by craftworld Eldar? I don't know much about any of them I just thought some of their dinos and scouts / assassins were cool.
@@ghost101049 Exodites would really only work as an army if the Ynnari become the Elf mega faction. Exodites are basically Wood Elves and the Craftworlds are High Elves. Where Craftworlds are trying to preserve the Eldar Empire's culture (without the blood orgies) and tried to evacuate to escape Slannesh, Exodites saw the decadence of the pre-fall Eldar Empire and completely removed themselves from the greater Eldar society and live in isolationist communities on their worlds. By our standards they are still pretty advanced but for Eldar they are living in anarchy-primivitist communes. Craftworld and Dark Eldar dont really talk to them but they have defended their communities out of solidarity.
I’d love to hear more about the night lords and Decimus. Ik it’s probably never going anywhere, but I’d love to see it played out. Maybe Decimus and the night lords run into the ynnari and grey knights. But sadly I don’t think it’s ever going to happen
@@parkermaisterra8532I mean fair, however 10+ years and no update. I’m just hoping something at this point, even if it’s just one book or a page in a codex. Just a little something
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Essentially the new Elven gods defeated Slaanesh but couldn't destroy the Chaos god so instead chained her in a pocket dimension. Trapped but slowly breaking out as each chain is starting to snap one by one as the hedonism of the war still invigorate her and eventually break out to reek vengence on the new elven gods and their children it also give the status quo of the Hedonites Slaanesh something to do as there all fragmented into camps of ones who are in constant search for their missing god, the ones who don't care and still doing slaaneshi thing and the ones who are actually pretending to be She who Thirst
@@michaelsantamaria5295one thing they could have done is do to slannesh what they did to Khain. Taken a massive blow/shattered to pieces but they ain’t dead, hell this could have been something to rewrite Slaanesh something that can be both intriguing, interesting and also marketable. It is supposed to be the warp god of love, lust, excess and everything in between. Let them become something a series of “minor” warp gods like voltar
I want GW to work more with the C’tan Shards and see how they clash with Chaos. There’s literally a C’tan called The Outsider and he’s literally the strongest of them all. He left the galaxy during the Necron Revolt and is still out there. He could return and start eating the C’tan Shards of his fallen brothers now that the Necron Dynasties are divided. GW literally has the perfect “Anti Necron” character that’s also gonna tear up everyone else is given the chance. I wanna see this Star God pull up to the Eye of Terror and fight the Chaos Gods. Some apocalyptic level shit that’s threatening to destroy the entire 1% of the known universe the Milky Way Galaxy inhabits. Having that as a table top event that’s lasts an entire month would be the biggest event in Warhammer history after “The End Times” from Fantasy
I love the ynnari, so if they go down all or nothing, I want a war for the last cronesword. All out campaign against slaanesh and the emperor's children. Let yvrainne and co go out in a blaze of glory instead of being swept under the rug. That or just shift their goals from killing slaanesh to undermining chaos in the webway
GW finally makes a series about something other than space marines, make the Ynead series, write it as shit as they possibly could've, nobody likes it and then they say "s-see! We made a xenos book and they didn't like it, guess its time for the 10.000th space marine book!"
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Clonegrim could be used, but indirectly: Trazyn tricks some Kroot into eating Fulgrim’s geneseed and starts knicking every faction that’s barreling down on the Tau Empre.
The Deathwatch attacking Eldrad was the inciting event for the Ynarri, his ritual being interrupted was what caused Ynead to become bound to Yvraine. Yvraine's death happened at the exact moment Ynead was conjured but weakened, due to the Deathwatch's interference, and she became inexorably bound to Ynead rather than whatever Eldrad had planned.
Weirdest thing... for a few years, it really seemed like GW was queuing up dropping Slaanesh. She was side-lined in Age of Sigmar, down-played in 40k, and went ages without an update or new mini. They reconsidered and doubled-down on Slaanesh, but I think there was a period in the late 2010s where they were really considering it.
Actually majorkill made a pretty good video on how the yennari plot could have gone well and how it could still go well. Also why are the grey knights going after the eldar I thought they were bros.
They're all about anti-warp, and with the ynnari trying to create a New god (and their track record with thé last one), you better believe they're gonna be all over that
@@Bnvnuthey are anti chaos and they have helped the eldar before so the ynnari either weaking or even killing a chaos god would be fine for them. So maybe it's just anti xeno writing
@@greytodoroki9479 the grey knights literally don't care about xenos, they just care about warp entities and this is a big one that might deal massive damage to everything imperium included in it's awakening, so it's a big no-no for them.
Danm I really needed this video. Was up to date when 40k was practically stagnant, but after the resurrection of Guilliman my life didnt allow me to invest so much time in the hobby and things just kept happening. Thanks for the video and you got a new suscriber.
Has the opening of the great rift helped keep the Emperor alive on the golden throne? Since so much Warp Juice is in the Galaxy it’s helped the big E in the plague wars.
Small correction in the "Throne" series by Chris Wraight. It's stated here that the Custards were complicit in the deal with the Drukhari to "repair" the Throne. They absolutely were not. Crowl was the one that convinced Navaraderan to look into. Iirc it was a deal between certain members of the Senatorum and the admech
I would recommend reading Magis because it sets up to the events of the Bequin books and also gives some insight into Eisenhorn's... true nature, so to speak.
@@livefromtheblacklibrary totally check out the Magos. If you love Eisenhorn this one is a must. You don't need to read it for the greater story, like you said you have got on fine without it, but it adds so much more to his character and extra depth to the sequin series.
OMG as someone who can't buy the books and only knows what's going on from RUclips... Your channel really appreciated is there any schedule for this Plot videos?
I think the Eldrad/deathwatch situation occurred at the end of 7th or the beginning of 8th edition Warhammer tabletop. It had to do with the Gathering Storm storyline. The ritual was the first part of the story that led to the resurrection of Guilliman.
Eisenhorn was also what got me into 40k and I havent looked back. The end of the second Bequin book, which I just read only a month ago, has juat blown my mind. Those two words have me so psyched for whats to come.
personally my theory on vashtor is that hes been playing abbadon from the start, abbadon hates the worship of chaos, its just a means to an end for him to fuck over the imperium, which we all know GW is VERY< VERY unlikley to do. And even as strait faced as vashtor is, thats actually how he tricks deamons into becoming deamon engines. Normaly, deamons always speak in half truths and lies to eachother, so when vashtor doesn't lie at all, other deamons think he means something else and fall for it. This shows that vashtor is not at all above lying too, manipulating, and using others for his own gain, and thus combined that compared to abbadon destorying the imperium a 5th chaos god does next to nothing to rock the boat for GWs main money maker, makes me think whats most likley is abbadon is being fooled.
How do you all feel about Warhammer 40K continuing as a story I hear some people liked it more when the setting was more stagnant what do you guys think?
Personally if a story has any canonical time progression I absolutely need to see changes in the structure of the world to stay interested. It's one thing to say "here's the 'end' of the canonical timeline. now it's up to tabletop players to imagine what happens next" than it is to say "We'll keep writing stories and give this world progression, but won't actually allow the Status Quo to change or dramatically alter any of the big players". The former I can respect. Sometimes you just have to call an end at some point. But in the later case I find nothing but constant annoyance that the 'progression' and 'new storylines' aren't actually allowed to change the world at all. Don't lie to me and pretend you're making big things happen and shaking things up when you will never allow yourself to upset the Status Quo. In other words I'm kind sad the Yinnaed plot line fell through and that they almost certainly won't let Vashtor go all the way either. I also think I can see a path they are likely to take with the Farsight Enclaves and I can't say I'd be happy if I'm right. Likewise the Votaan are kind of a nothing burger and I don't see Gaz actually making any significant difference at least for a while (Tyranids are getting the attention they kind of deserved). Here's to hoping they eventually allow one of the traitor Primarchs to die or even redeem themselves, would like to see a major shakeup in the formula like that.
it's idiotic to keep a story stagnant, you can only write "and suddenly the heroic space marine, guided by the emperor, killed the bad guy" so many ways before you're sick of it. and considering how much shit gw has put out lately, to keep things as they are, they need to just progress things and let characters die and new things pop up.
There are so many still hanging threads in 40k. One is: What's going on in the Halo Stars? Is it a corrupted Necron dynasty? is it the remnants of the Rangda? Is it Hrud space? Is it some other xenos race that was supposed to have been wiped out during the Great Crusade, but some enclaves of them still survive? A combination of all? Or is it something else entirely?
I don't see ynnari leaving tabletop, they basically function as a way to play all eldar factions together which is something they provide for all large factions in certain ways, like agents of the imperium. They'll take a backseat role in lore for sure but there's no real need to get rid of them since the sword being in Slaanesh's Palace is the perfect stall for them. Also I think there is one way they could do it, and it would be brokering a deal with Kaldor Draigo to have him go get it for them, which is possibly why the grey knights are after them, it's GW setting up the next conflict they'll resolve and have a mutual goal, finding Draigo.
Yes, Draigo is the perfect guy to get anything done in the realms of chaos. It would be good storytelling if his character amounted to something significant like that, rather than just being an anomaly with no purpose.
"for the throne to function at the highest peak.. it must first cease to function.. that then it could be worked on" ~golden lineage (Plus the mechanicus has probably been slowly attempting to drain the life force of the emperor through the function of the golden throne. Probably because of some warp influence shenanigans... ultimately leading to the golden thrones current fucked up condition... Plus a lot of dead weight that has been sitting there for what... centuries probably a lot longer. But still. Also the reason why the drukari well the dark eldar most likely sees more benefit from reviving the emperor of mankind than removing... For one simple reason... the emperor of mankind if I'm not mistaken has been trying to deal with the problem of chaos for a very long time... also the reason why he's stuck upon the Golden throne... they would have probably investigated... because yes a homunculus might help but ultimately stunts any possible growth of said individual it was made after.. the homunculus could be comparable to a new born baby made as a full grown adult with knowledge and skills pre-understood from the moment it came to life. Still lacking a past. But can be very intelligent if the homunculus doesn't get lost in the maze of its own skills and what not... Along with there is only so much you can do the information gathered first hand upon the original subjugation attempt of Terra before... well you know.. slenesh tore them a new asshole literally.. Then it went one of two directions... the eldari. And the dark eldari resulting in acceptance and avoidance. Where the eldari would likely have nothing to do with the dark eldari or the imperium... the dark eldar would ultimately attempt a way to circumvent their fate through the emperor... of course they would not be loyal for say... but ultimately it would boil down to "You got us into this mess you can get us out" From the perspective of both lineages..)
A shame the GW's treatment of the Tau has been so lackluster, because the thing with the tau goddess opens the very fun scenario of Ethereals debating the deity created by their ideology. But GW forgets that Ethereals are supposed to be philosophers, not imperial nobles but blue.
GW could have just made a cool histe story about the Yennari breaking into Slaanesh's palace to steal the last crone sword. It could have been a trilog eldar mythology and thire gods. But no, if it can't be used to suck off space marines it's useless to GW
I'm excited to see more silent king and necron lore, although i don't think it'll unify the crons, espicially with the storm lord around, if anything im wondering if it'll be brought to a full blown civil war with crons! I dont think it'll go that far, but im really excited to see the interaction as much as guilliman and the lion.
people seems to forget that abandon are not inherently evil as in chaos infused horus, he reject chaos over his body, he just see that the destruction of imperium lead to the better future of humanity, it just happened that he will use anything he have at his disposal (dun dun chaos) once the imperium is destroyed, he will betrayal the chaos god (unlikely to success but he may do some damage as he is the chaos UNDIVIDED champion)
Honestly it’s really up in the air considering how LONG it’s been, he also doesn’t care too much about humanity imo, mostly just wants to destroy the imperium
I remember they revealled that Emperor's psyche fracturing back into the ancient shamans that created him when he met Roboute in the throne room. What if as a type of fan theoy The Emperor could permanantly close the webway gate but at the cost of utterly destroying the Imperial palace in a kind of massive psychic explosion and as a side effect the Emperor's soul shards that are the ancient shamans that orginally created him are blasted across the galaxy to reincarnate into bodies he one containing a portion of the Emperor's daemon killing psychic power? Maybe it could be played out like a scond primarch scattering of sorts with the surviving custodes attempting to reunite these demi Emperors into one again.
While isn't exactly his expertise maybe they could resolve the Dark Pact storyline by making return Vulkan to the setting, making him somehow repair the Throne with something he found during his absence
Story lines I think are perfect for the setting and ways to bring back the loyalist primarchs well sort of. (Yes including Clone Fulgrim) For context I will first say what happened to them and why they haven't returned before the story outline to bring them back. Jaghati Khan: When Jaghati chased the Dark Eldar into the webway he got lost. He was eventually found and taken by Cegorach and held until he is needed. Abaddon and Vashtorr use the key and open the lock which takes them to the black library and home of the Harlequins and the greatest knowledge ever. Cegorach unleashes Jaghati to try and stop Vashtorr and Abaddon gaining all the ancient knowledge. Omegon: (Yes he's loyal) Omegon has been active in the setting without us even knowing it. Despite trying to play both sides Omegon with his chapter of loyal Alpha Legion can't help himself and begins to assist The Lion in Nihilus and goes ahead of the Dark Angels forces to soften up their targets but gets caught out by Chaos. Now an enemy of both Chaos and the Imperium Omegon makes the choice to reveal himself to The Lion and tell him a great secret to try and convince him of his loyalty. Dorn: The secret from Omegon is that he saved Dorn from death during the first black crusade. He kept Dorn safe and smuggled him onto an Alpha Legion ship and placed in stasis so he could recover. The plan was perfect except thd ship was attacked by The Eldar and lost to the warp. The ship Dorn is on is finally discovered by the Charcaradons on the galactic edge but the crew are all dead and they can't revive Dorn, only Omegon can so they begin a campaign to find Omegon but chaos Alpha Legion warbands discover the truth and hunt them down. Corax: Corax has been in the warp fighting and killing demons and Chaos warbands on his own as a crazy Raven Demon. News comes to him through his victims that Omegon has been discovered to be apparently loyal. Corax decides to find out for himself and re-enters real space but he gets pursued by his own chapter who believe he has fallen because of his demonic raven appearance and they hunt him while trying to keep it a secret. Clone Fulgrim: So we know he's at Trayzn's museum. Trayzn's museum gets attacked by a splinter hive fleet who see it as the ultimate store of DNA they can use to further evolve. As Trayzn's forces begin to fall he makes the only move he can and releases Clonegrim and all the astartes from the 18 space marine legions he has in storage. The space marines destroy the Tyranid and because Trayzn gets injured they manage to escape on ships Trayzn also had in storage. They re-enter the galaxy as a massive force but with some knowing of the heresy and some unaware leading to trouble all while Fulgrim tries to unite them. Russ: Russ tried to get to the tree of life but got lost in the warp where his ship has been adrift with him fighting demonic incursions while also trying to remain anonymous to the great powers. Russ is discovered by the released Eldar god Isha who guides him to the gates under Commaragh where Russ battles demons and his sanity to try and reach Vect. Vulkan: Vulkan has been trapped in the warp with Gork and Mork after the waaagh energy transported him there. With no memory he has been drifting through the warp. The warp opens up amd spits him out in the systems of the Farsight Enclaves who just so happen to be under attack from an Orc Waaagh that threatens to overwhelm them. Vulkan with no memory vows to help Commander Farsight destroy the Orcs. Ferrus Manus: He's dead and his soul is with The Emperor. As the warp becomes stronger and stronger in the galaxy Ferrus soul begins to manifest in real space helping his sons. Knowing their father is trying to return the Iron Hands head straight for Terra and The Emperor to revive him but Demon Fulgrim pursues them trying to prevent his brothers return. Sanguinius: He's dead and his soul is scattered. He can only return durung the end times for 40k but his return is the result of a deal made between The Emperor and Tzeentch who piece his soul back together and his new vampiric demonic form returns to slaughter anything in his path.
Man, I’m still waiting for He’Stan and the Salamanders to find the last Artifacts, damn it! Plus, with Sanguinius dead, Vulkan’s the best next best candidate to bring back the Imperium Secundus Triumvirate
Something to keep in mind about the stagnation of the Ynnari plotline: that used to be the norm for all of 40k. The story never changed or progressed beyond the occasional story update at the conclusion of a rare, global campaign. The fact that there's story progression at all is a fucking godsend, cuz it didn't exist until 7th/8th edition. 13 year old me is losing his mind that there are playable primarch models that aren't Golden Demon conversions. This isn't an Old Man Yells At Clouds thing, I just think that taking a massive, generally stagnant, sandbox setting and injecting a progressing narrative is going to create some missteps and I think that's what happened with the Ynnari. They were too large of a paradigm shift in a period of massive paradigm shifts.
GW could move the Ynnead plot line forward by having Cegorach either trick or outright steal the Crone Sword from Slaanesh and give it to the Ynnari. Cegorach is already known to trick Slaanesh and save the souls of Harlequins from being devoured when they die. I'm sure they could have Cegorach and the Harlequins/Ynnari pull off a heist to get the Crone Sword, or something similar.
Still holding out for clonegrim I don’t care if all evidence points to the contrary lol. At least as a way to bring daemon primarch Fulgrim back into the setting.
I’m hoping for the Lion and Luther to meet. Here’s how I’m hoping (but it’s 50/50 on it) happens, they meet, have a duel which the Lion wins of course and instead of killing Luther he gives him the option for another greater path like the rest of his “traitor” sons. It would be in my opinion what really cements him as this new Lion GW is seeming to go with. This different character who is not so rash and head strong but thinks about things more and chooses different routes than his younger self.
With it comes to slanesh they're the one chaos god gw would kill because they've been edging them out for years. Mostly because they want to sell to kids and slanesh is the most kid unfriendly alongside the drukari who they've also been slowly shuffling off. I could see them having an event that kills slanesh and the drukari in one big struggle that leaves the ynari as the successor faction. Or just having the aeldari.
the 40K fandom: there is no way they can get that sword
the PAYDAY gang: guys, the clown god of the eldar has a job for us, the khorn sword, go get it.
“Guys, the Blackstone Fortress, go get it”.
“Alright guys, today we need to steal the star child. I have no idea why it’s important but we were promised bolters so let’s get to it.”
Kill team arhman, Bile, titus, Honshou, spacewolf, an alpha legionare with primarch blood, 2 dark angles
40k X Payday would go hard
The thing is, the Eldar god of death doesn’t need to kill Slaneesh. It only need to defeat her to the point Slaneesh loses dominion over Eldar souls. GW really screwed over Eldar players. Major Kill had a good way of fixing it.
Naah the eldar should go suck slaanesh's spiked c0ck. They belong together with the abomination they birthed.
It's a shame dude, the ynnari poltline is cool in conception but since they aren't the armored autists GW doesn't care.
The mental image of Ynnead slicing slaanesh open and having an ocean of twisted and screaming eldar souls pour out of him, and him SURVIVING, is such a great visual and probably even more fitting for the lore too. It would definitely weaken him, but he wouldn’t get benched for very long like in AOS. I imagine getting cut open is very painful (shocker), so what if slaanesh survives being cut open by feeding off of his own extreme pain.
As for the eldar, not entirely sure what would happens with them tbh. What would they need their spirits stones for now?
That would be the winning condition for them, reincarnation and full potential eldar can't happen otherwise the setting dies
@@Bnvnu pretty sure the winning conditions for the eldar are, the awakening of ynnead to kill slaneesh and somehow rescuing isha from nurgle.
Silent King = Nagash but actually smart and good with people
HOLY SHIT YOURE NOT WRONG
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Now I have a need to buy the Silent King, Nagash and the Void Dragon to create an epic Tier Silent King
Nagash is really good with people - they always end up obeying his commands. Sooner or later. . . . . . . .
Such is the power of Nagash
nagash makes silent king feel like a good person lol
You don't need to destroy Slaanesh to resolve the Ynnari plotline. You just need to unhitch the Eldar from Slaanesh, and attach them all to Ynnead.
It's like the equivalent of that scene from Dragonball Z where Gohan punches Perfect Cell so hard in the stomach that Android 18 comes out.
And then he just powers up again anyway somehow.
@DemigodoftheSea I understood every word of that, but I have no idea what any of it means.
GW have been employing an edgy 11 year old as their lead writer of lore for some time now. The latest batch of writers don't understand what they have or how to balance anything. They only know how to sell Space Marines, and that's only because Space Marines sell themselves.
@@christopheraaron1255 The idea is basically that you can drag the souls of the Eldar out of Slaanesh, and then offer some reason as to why Slaanesh survives, and then regains that power by some other means.
I mean they already showed slaanesh being defeated but survive in AOS.
I quite like Majorkills fan plot were Ynead squared off against a shard of Slaanesh and had to give it's life but before dying was able to close the imperial webway permanantly lifting a massive burden off the Emperor's shoulders.
Imagine a plot line where a scarred Jagathai emerges from the webway and vows to kill Vashtorr, stalking him across Wormwood
This would be awesome. I'd love to see the Kaghan return. Ever since his fight with Morty in Warhawk, I've had much respect for him as a character. And this is coming from a dyed in the wool member of the IX since 1993.
Honestly, the Ynnari plotline could've actually gone somewhere. I doubt GW would've killed off Slaanesh, but the Eldar having their strongest god on the field would at least give them a fighting chance. Could end up being a situation similar to AoS where who wins is more uncertain rather being a guaranteed Chaos victory like the story of 40k has been so far, how Warhammer Fantasy was up until the End Times where Chaos did win, and how some GW writers themselves said that a Chaos victory isn't a matter of if, but when.
Just kind of defeats the purpose of rooting for any other side of one is guaranteed a victory.
Yeah that’s a good point, though I feel like “rage against the dying of the light” has always been a staple of 40k
Nah the point is to root for the hopeless. The stars will burn out and chaos will win one day... but not today! Gods of Mars trilogy is depressing; heretical magos finds a machine that can reignite dying stars, but it does so by creating black holes in the past. 40k is mankind vs cosmic inevitability
They should just give the Eldar a win. Just an AOS style victory where they get a fighting chance but chaos is still a threat.
YEAH, doesn’t need to kill of a chaos god just a plotline that sees like a solid win like a Phoenix Lord or two come back
At the cost of the imperium somehow. Any squeaky clean victory would be boring. It would also re-flair up tensions between the imperium and the Eldar to continue the setting as a war gaming backdrop. Imperium vs Eldar could be the main thread of 11th edition.
Protect and respect the lore!
Ynnead's plotline is no less doomed than everyone's inability to pronounce Ynnead.
Great so they’re fucked
I really hope the necron plot is continued where the silent king and roboute make “peace”, but it’s very rocky, and only a few dynasties are willing to cooperate.
Still giving room for Necrons to fight the imperium, but pushing the plot forward to closing parts of the rift off to reconnect half the galaxy.
Yeah exactly! It just opens up the setting more for interesting stories imo
after the eldar have become irrelevant as just a imperial vassal state
you now want the necrons also to become just a imperial pet?
anything interesting about them removed and the setting turned into a black and white pile of marvel boringness
why
why do we want bad storywriting so badly
@@ashardalondragnipurake you know what I said?
The silent kind has one of the rockiest relationships with the imperium, it’s been done before with the blood angels, and they where far from pets, in fact the blood angels where used as bait the entire time that the Necrons where teamed up with the Blood Angels.
I think ynari shuold prepare a big assoult to slaanesh's palace to take the cronesword, all of their troops ready to jump in the warp enter the portals... and then for some immaterium shenanigans just miss their spot. They aren't in slaanesh's palace but in nurgle's garden. But not all hope is lost, there they can liberate isha, maybe with the help of leman russ who is searcing for the three of life (which corrisponds to isha). This would make yinari still lore relevant, but not cut slaanesh out.
Ps. Sorry for typos, i don't have any respect for this language
The other option is that defeating slaanesh doesn't kill slaanesh, only weaken them and unhitch the eldar from slaanesh (plus steal a bunch of souls from slaanesh). They did soemthing like this in AOS so...
Another way to do it is take inspiration from a plotline from the end times/AOS (as it was refurenced in the 2019 slaanesh battle tome). Ie have Lileath have a secret realm and daughter that the ynari discover
I don't have any respect for this language is such a hilarious line lol
There are a few ways to fix the eldar plot line, one killing a chaos god does not mean the chaos god will always be dead, freeing the goddess Nurge has imprisoned is another big win that can happen, reforging Khane could happen.. Like that is just the top of my head.
Yeah the Isha one is one ppl hold out for and honestly not a bad idea with Khaine
It would be awsome if the next ynnari book series has them split into three groups
One being forced to help khorne warbands and redeming skarbrand to break into slaanesh palace to take the key.
Another helping the harlequin with aiding the dark eldar from their doom while finding those worthy of being saved.
And the third led by eldrad trying to assemble all shards of khain to rebuild him some from against the greater daemons while being chased by a united night lords army led by decimus.
Add in a fourth trying to rescue isha and end up working with leman russ fighting through nurgle's realm
@@matthiuskoenig3378 i wished but my Edit: doesn't work
A plot line I’d like to see is a new Iron Warriors warband following around Vashtorr as various enemies come for them.
Like you have the Necrons/Eldar who don’t want the lock opening, the Imperium led by the Lion out for revenge, and possibly even the other Chaos gods not wanting competition (Word Bearers vs Iron Warriors maybe?)
Could be grounds for a really cool trilogy from the viewpoint of a modern day warband.
Honestly, someone make that happen because it would give us proper Iron Warriors models.
Plus if Vashtorr ascends to godhood we could see a Daemon Primarch of the forge of souls in the form of Perturabo
That would go immensely hard
The way the Ynari worked, at least in 9th, was you could combine all eldar factions as a single army, including harlequins and Drukhari. Only catch is for every Drukhari/harlequin unit you use, you need to add a craftworld unit of the same role whether that be troops and such. Though it wasn’t as popular I believe as you lose many benefits each unit/model gets from their respective faction. Along with the fact that most abilities relied on you having to be at half strength (where your unit is down to half of what they were, like 5 models remain in a 10 model unit), something that, to me at least, isn’t as good given how fragile they are. Since a 5 man squad of tactical marines could do decent damage given they would he wounding on 3’s and cause of rapid fire. More than likely either killing the eldar unit entirely or reducing them to an amount that won’t make the ability matter as much.
Tabletop Ynnari exists to justify Eldar soup. You make Yvraine your warlord and then you can field Aeldari, Drukhari, and Harlequins together. There are some lore restrictions like you can't have Phoenix Lords and Harlequin Solitaires but that is really it.
If GW want to develop the Eldar more they should have Yvraine or the wider Ynnari help oust Vect from Commorragh to unify/combine the Aeldari and Drukhari armies into one force. Also start making Exodites models. Space elves riding dinosaurs with laser beams is something that sells itself.
40k noob here... could exodites be included in the Ynnari as well or are they basically covered by craftworld Eldar? I don't know much about any of them I just thought some of their dinos and scouts / assassins were cool.
@@ghost101049 Exodites would really only work as an army if the Ynnari become the Elf mega faction. Exodites are basically Wood Elves and the Craftworlds are High Elves. Where Craftworlds are trying to preserve the Eldar Empire's culture (without the blood orgies) and tried to evacuate to escape Slannesh, Exodites saw the decadence of the pre-fall Eldar Empire and completely removed themselves from the greater Eldar society and live in isolationist communities on their worlds. By our standards they are still pretty advanced but for Eldar they are living in anarchy-primivitist communes. Craftworld and Dark Eldar dont really talk to them but they have defended their communities out of solidarity.
Having the Ynnari be on the verge of killing Slaanesh while Vashtorr is on the verge of ascending could have given legitimate stakes to their plotline
I’d love to hear more about the night lords and Decimus. Ik it’s probably never going anywhere, but I’d love to see it played out. Maybe Decimus and the night lords run into the ynnari and grey knights. But sadly I don’t think it’s ever going to happen
Actually ADB has on record said that he will continue Deciumu's story but he doesn't want to force it. At least thats what the rumor mill says
@@parkermaisterra8532I mean fair, however 10+ years and no update. I’m just hoping something at this point, even if it’s just one book or a page in a codex. Just a little something
@@somethingclever9179Oh I completely agree. But to be fair how long was it after the Eisenhorn trilogy did we actually see the Inquisitor?
I want to see how the king in yellow plot line unfolds. I hope that never gets buried or dead ended, but comes to a proper fulfilling conclusion.
AoS shows that the Slaanesh faction works just fine without Slaanesh. So they could have locked It up like they did in AoS.
Ohhhh I’ll need to look into that!
Trash game trash lore
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Essentially the new Elven gods defeated Slaanesh but couldn't destroy the Chaos god so instead chained her in a pocket dimension. Trapped but slowly breaking out as each chain is starting to snap one by one as the hedonism of the war still invigorate her and eventually break out to reek vengence on the new elven gods and their children
it also give the status quo of the Hedonites Slaanesh something to do as there all fragmented into camps of ones who are in constant search for their missing god, the ones who don't care and still doing slaaneshi thing and the ones who are actually pretending to be She who Thirst
The Eldar wounding Slaanesh would be interesting.
Causing the gods to brawl over her.
something along those lines.
@@michaelsantamaria5295one thing they could have done is do to slannesh what they did to Khain. Taken a massive blow/shattered to pieces but they ain’t dead, hell this could have been something to rewrite Slaanesh something that can be both intriguing, interesting and also marketable.
It is supposed to be the warp god of love, lust, excess and everything in between. Let them become something a series of “minor” warp gods like voltar
I want Vashtor to ascend but Abaddon to fail, that could lead into unifying the dark mechanicus and thus creating a new faction
That was another of my predictions! Dark Mechanicum as a faction and possibly chaos Votaan
If that were to happen, three more Chaos gods would have to appear to make the eight-pointed star.
@@mmyr8ado.360 there is already 5 chaos gods
@@danmorris5498officialy 4. But 2 are in the making. Kind off.
Vashtoor and God Emps
I want GW to work more with the C’tan Shards and see how they clash with Chaos. There’s literally a C’tan called The Outsider and he’s literally the strongest of them all. He left the galaxy during the Necron Revolt and is still out there. He could return and start eating the C’tan Shards of his fallen brothers now that the Necron Dynasties are divided. GW literally has the perfect “Anti Necron” character that’s also gonna tear up everyone else is given the chance. I wanna see this Star God pull up to the Eye of Terror and fight the Chaos Gods. Some apocalyptic level shit that’s threatening to destroy the entire 1% of the known universe the Milky Way Galaxy inhabits. Having that as a table top event that’s lasts an entire month would be the biggest event in Warhammer history after “The End Times” from Fantasy
I love the ynnari, so if they go down all or nothing, I want a war for the last cronesword. All out campaign against slaanesh and the emperor's children. Let yvrainne and co go out in a blaze of glory instead of being swept under the rug. That or just shift their goals from killing slaanesh to undermining chaos in the webway
Yeah exactly, if you aren’t gonna do anything with them AT LEAST give them a proper send off
It would have been useful if you listed the books or codexs these can from.
GW finally makes a series about something other than space marines, make the Ynead series, write it as shit as they possibly could've, nobody likes it and then they say "s-see! We made a xenos book and they didn't like it, guess its time for the 10.000th space marine book!"
Same logic that lead to the End Times.
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Clonegrim could be used, but indirectly:
Trazyn tricks some Kroot into eating Fulgrim’s geneseed and starts knicking every faction that’s barreling down on the Tau Empre.
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@@livefromtheblacklibrarydo you like it? B
I hope you're right , Clonegrim would be so cool , whichever way he returns .. all the swag none of the snake bits
The Deathwatch attacking Eldrad was the inciting event for the Ynarri, his ritual being interrupted was what caused Ynead to become bound to Yvraine. Yvraine's death happened at the exact moment Ynead was conjured but weakened, due to the Deathwatch's interference, and she became inexorably bound to Ynead rather than whatever Eldrad had planned.
Weirdest thing... for a few years, it really seemed like GW was queuing up dropping Slaanesh. She was side-lined in Age of Sigmar, down-played in 40k, and went ages without an update or new mini. They reconsidered and doubled-down on Slaanesh, but I think there was a period in the late 2010s where they were really considering it.
Actually majorkill made a pretty good video on how the yennari plot could have gone well and how it could still go well.
Also why are the grey knights going after the eldar I thought they were bros.
They're all about anti-warp, and with the ynnari trying to create a New god (and their track record with thé last one), you better believe they're gonna be all over that
@@Bnvnu like stank on shit man.
@@Bnvnuthey are anti chaos and they have helped the eldar before so the ynnari either weaking or even killing a chaos god would be fine for them. So maybe it's just anti xeno writing
@@greytodoroki9479 the grey knights literally don't care about xenos, they just care about warp entities and this is a big one that might deal massive damage to everything imperium included in it's awakening, so it's a big no-no for them.
@@BnvnuLol, Eldar wouldn't destroy the Imperium, they need it, that's stupid
Danm I really needed this video. Was up to date when 40k was practically stagnant, but after the resurrection of Guilliman my life didnt allow me to invest so much time in the hobby and things just kept happening. Thanks for the video and you got a new suscriber.
Glad it helped man! And glad to have you on board! 🫡
Has the opening of the great rift helped keep the Emperor alive on the golden throne? Since so much Warp Juice is in the Galaxy it’s helped the big E in the plague wars.
the golden throne part is essentially up to his body to keep up, which the great rift has done nothing too.
Small correction in the "Throne" series by Chris Wraight. It's stated here that the Custards were complicit in the deal with the Drukhari to "repair" the Throne. They absolutely were not. Crowl was the one that convinced Navaraderan to look into. Iirc it was a deal between certain members of the Senatorum and the admech
You had me at "whammer hammer 40 and a few" laughed way too hard.
Mate i remember the channel being on like 7k subs for a good while, then like 2 weeks later and its at 22, good job!
I would recommend reading Magis because it sets up to the events of the Bequin books and also gives some insight into Eisenhorn's... true nature, so to speak.
Hmmmm ok maybe I’ll give it a try
@@livefromtheblacklibrary totally check out the Magos. If you love Eisenhorn this one is a must. You don't need to read it for the greater story, like you said you have got on fine without it, but it adds so much more to his character and extra depth to the sequin series.
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Sadly no because we don’t know when they’ll get to them but IM GLAD I COUKD HELP!!!
Your shorts have been great, but this is the content that I love most on your channel.
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I had to rewind, make sure I heard that right, then pause the vid and appreciate what I'd just heard.
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I think the Eldrad/deathwatch situation occurred at the end of 7th or the beginning of 8th edition Warhammer tabletop. It had to do with the Gathering Storm storyline. The ritual was the first part of the story that led to the resurrection of Guilliman.
Eisenhorn was also what got me into 40k and I havent looked back. The end of the second Bequin book, which I just read only a month ago, has juat blown my mind. Those two words have me so psyched for whats to come.
Vashtor: I'm gonna be the 5th Chaos god!
Malal: Hold my beer! Hey, you! What did you just say?
Sadly Malal has been retconned due to a copyright dispute :,)
They still could've kept Ynnari as a force for "good Drukhari", leading to further lore for them - alas
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I would personally like to blame gav thrope for killing the small momentum Eldar were getting in his Ynnari book series.
personally my theory on vashtor is that hes been playing abbadon from the start, abbadon hates the worship of chaos, its just a means to an end for him to fuck over the imperium, which we all know GW is VERY< VERY unlikley to do. And even as strait faced as vashtor is, thats actually how he tricks deamons into becoming deamon engines. Normaly, deamons always speak in half truths and lies to eachother, so when vashtor doesn't lie at all, other deamons think he means something else and fall for it. This shows that vashtor is not at all above lying too, manipulating, and using others for his own gain, and thus combined that compared to abbadon destorying the imperium a 5th chaos god does next to nothing to rock the boat for GWs main money maker, makes me think whats most likley is abbadon is being fooled.
Yeah that’s also possible!
Great video! I want books to come out ASAP on all this. King in Yellow event where she learns name was like 80 years ago
How do you all feel about Warhammer 40K continuing as a story I hear some people liked it more when the setting was more stagnant what do you guys think?
Personally if a story has any canonical time progression I absolutely need to see changes in the structure of the world to stay interested. It's one thing to say "here's the 'end' of the canonical timeline. now it's up to tabletop players to imagine what happens next" than it is to say "We'll keep writing stories and give this world progression, but won't actually allow the Status Quo to change or dramatically alter any of the big players".
The former I can respect. Sometimes you just have to call an end at some point. But in the later case I find nothing but constant annoyance that the 'progression' and 'new storylines' aren't actually allowed to change the world at all. Don't lie to me and pretend you're making big things happen and shaking things up when you will never allow yourself to upset the Status Quo.
In other words I'm kind sad the Yinnaed plot line fell through and that they almost certainly won't let Vashtor go all the way either. I also think I can see a path they are likely to take with the Farsight Enclaves and I can't say I'd be happy if I'm right. Likewise the Votaan are kind of a nothing burger and I don't see Gaz actually making any significant difference at least for a while (Tyranids are getting the attention they kind of deserved). Here's to hoping they eventually allow one of the traitor Primarchs to die or even redeem themselves, would like to see a major shakeup in the formula like that.
it's idiotic to keep a story stagnant, you can only write "and suddenly the heroic space marine, guided by the emperor, killed the bad guy" so many ways before you're sick of it. and considering how much shit gw has put out lately, to keep things as they are, they need to just progress things and let characters die and new things pop up.
@@slimjim877 nah, just primarchs, they're putting New stuff out, because it's about primarchs, and they sell very well
40k is a setting not a story. Allowing the plot to progress too much would remove the charm that Attracted us in the first place
@@knarfweasel there's another person in this reply chain that disagrees with you what do you think about what slimjim877 said?
Imotekh v Silent King prizefight needs to happen. Been teasing us with their confrontation for forever.
The Magos book was awesome. I actually went back and read the entire series when it came out. It's not absolutely necessary but its a great read.
Ok MAAAAAAYBE I’ll give it a shot
What if the stuff with Abby and Vashtor is what caused the breaches Commorah. And that's where they pop out. Causing them to fight the Drukari
There are so many still hanging threads in 40k. One is: What's going on in the Halo Stars? Is it a corrupted Necron dynasty? is it the remnants of the Rangda? Is it Hrud space? Is it some other xenos race that was supposed to have been wiped out during the Great Crusade, but some enclaves of them still survive? A combination of all? Or is it something else entirely?
The mechanicus destroyed a universe killer there.
I don't see ynnari leaving tabletop, they basically function as a way to play all eldar factions together which is something they provide for all large factions in certain ways, like agents of the imperium. They'll take a backseat role in lore for sure but there's no real need to get rid of them since the sword being in Slaanesh's Palace is the perfect stall for them. Also I think there is one way they could do it, and it would be brokering a deal with Kaldor Draigo to have him go get it for them, which is possibly why the grey knights are after them, it's GW setting up the next conflict they'll resolve and have a mutual goal, finding Draigo.
Yes, Draigo is the perfect guy to get anything done in the realms of chaos. It would be good storytelling if his character amounted to something significant like that, rather than just being an anomaly with no purpose.
Is it possible to get a video on thoughts on clonegrim and the potential storylines that could have come from it?
I would like that the ynnari to not die
It would be cool
@@macm5542Quite
"Silent king is a good diplomat."
Khtan - "Eh, he was good when he was gullible."
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"for the throne to function at the highest peak.. it must first cease to function.. that then it could be worked on"
~golden lineage
(Plus the mechanicus has probably been slowly attempting to drain the life force of the emperor through the function of the golden throne. Probably because of some warp influence shenanigans... ultimately leading to the golden thrones current fucked up condition... Plus a lot of dead weight that has been sitting there for what... centuries probably a lot longer. But still.
Also the reason why the drukari well the dark eldar most likely sees more benefit from reviving the emperor of mankind than removing...
For one simple reason... the emperor of mankind if I'm not mistaken has been trying to deal with the problem of chaos for a very long time... also the reason why he's stuck upon the Golden throne... they would have probably investigated... because yes a homunculus might help but ultimately stunts any possible growth of said individual it was made after.. the homunculus could be comparable to a new born baby made as a full grown adult with knowledge and skills pre-understood from the moment it came to life. Still lacking a past. But can be very intelligent if the homunculus doesn't get lost in the maze of its own skills and what not...
Along with there is only so much you can do the information gathered first hand upon the original subjugation attempt of Terra before... well you know.. slenesh tore them a new asshole literally..
Then it went one of two directions... the eldari. And the dark eldari resulting in acceptance and avoidance.
Where the eldari would likely have nothing to do with the dark eldari or the imperium... the dark eldar would ultimately attempt a way to circumvent their fate through the emperor... of course they would not be loyal for say... but ultimately it would boil down to
"You got us into this mess you can get us out"
From the perspective of both lineages..)
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I think you forgot the most important one. Guilliman is still working on his stand-up routine.
A shame the GW's treatment of the Tau has been so lackluster, because the thing with the tau goddess opens the very fun scenario of Ethereals debating the deity created by their ideology. But GW forgets that Ethereals are supposed to be philosophers, not imperial nobles but blue.
Vashtor opens the lock with the key and out walks Valdor
Vashtoor is modelled after the Cyber Demon on the cover of Doom 2 with further augmentation
I’ll be honest I don’t really see it
I would like to see more plot lines on xenos
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The mishandling/squatting of Ynnari is a travesty. Actually gave the Eldar something to do.
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GW could have just made a cool histe story about the Yennari breaking into Slaanesh's palace to steal the last crone sword.
It could have been a trilog eldar mythology and thire gods.
But no, if it can't be used to suck off space marines it's useless to GW
Good content, as usual. Keep it up!
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The Ynaari ain't going anywhere anytime soon. Their table top wins are borderline nonstop
“The emperor is dying.”
Well shit chrono at least lemme get comfortable first
I'm excited to see more silent king and necron lore, although i don't think it'll unify the crons, espicially with the storm lord around, if anything im wondering if it'll be brought to a full blown civil war with crons! I dont think it'll go that far, but im really excited to see the interaction as much as guilliman and the lion.
There’s also T.E.M.D, The Emperor Must Die with our boy Cypher and a hint of that in Son of the Forest
i really hope vashtorr tries to acend to godhood only to be completely consumed by malal
There's also the Cypher plot line, although you could count that under the Lion's plot line.
It would be cool to see Khan coming out of webway as super old, like 50 000 yo, with new ideas, changed and strange.
Requesting GW to do something is like asking the Chaos gods if we can just talk things out
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Zakhammer 40k: make Inquisition picks Leagues of Votann to drukharis for fixing Golden Throne
So exited for the 4th tyranic war, Literally my 2 favorite factions the Nids and Raven Guard in center stage.
Eldar writing is nearly criminal.
people seems to forget that abandon are not inherently evil as in chaos infused horus, he reject chaos over his body, he just see that the destruction of imperium lead to the better future of humanity, it just happened that he will use anything he have at his disposal (dun dun chaos)
once the imperium is destroyed, he will betrayal the chaos god (unlikely to success but he may do some damage as he is the chaos UNDIVIDED champion)
Honestly it’s really up in the air considering how LONG it’s been, he also doesn’t care too much about humanity imo, mostly just wants to destroy the imperium
I remember they revealled that Emperor's psyche fracturing back into the ancient shamans that created him when he met Roboute in the throne room. What if as a type of fan theoy The Emperor could permanantly close the webway gate but at the cost of utterly destroying the Imperial palace in a kind of massive psychic explosion and as a side effect the Emperor's soul shards that are the ancient shamans that orginally created him are blasted across the galaxy to reincarnate into bodies he one containing a portion of the Emperor's daemon killing psychic power? Maybe it could be played out like a scond primarch scattering of sorts with the surviving custodes attempting to reunite these demi Emperors into one again.
Cool idea
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While isn't exactly his expertise maybe they could resolve the Dark Pact storyline by making return Vulkan to the setting, making him somehow repair the Throne with something he found during his absence
Not even gonna mention the Nightlords omnibus storyline
Story lines I think are perfect for the setting and ways to bring back the loyalist primarchs well sort of. (Yes including Clone Fulgrim)
For context I will first say what happened to them and why they haven't returned before the story outline to bring them back.
Jaghati Khan:
When Jaghati chased the Dark Eldar into the webway he got lost. He was eventually found and taken by Cegorach and held until he is needed.
Abaddon and Vashtorr use the key and open the lock which takes them to the black library and home of the Harlequins and the greatest knowledge ever. Cegorach unleashes Jaghati to try and stop Vashtorr and Abaddon gaining all the ancient knowledge.
Omegon: (Yes he's loyal)
Omegon has been active in the setting without us even knowing it.
Despite trying to play both sides Omegon with his chapter of loyal Alpha Legion can't help himself and begins to assist The Lion in Nihilus and goes ahead of the Dark Angels forces to soften up their targets but gets caught out by Chaos. Now an enemy of both Chaos and the Imperium Omegon makes the choice to reveal himself to The Lion and tell him a great secret to try and convince him of his loyalty.
Dorn:
The secret from Omegon is that he saved Dorn from death during the first black crusade. He kept Dorn safe and smuggled him onto an Alpha Legion ship and placed in stasis so he could recover. The plan was perfect except thd ship was attacked by The Eldar and lost to the warp.
The ship Dorn is on is finally discovered by the Charcaradons on the galactic edge but the crew are all dead and they can't revive Dorn, only Omegon can so they begin a campaign to find Omegon but chaos Alpha Legion warbands discover the truth and hunt them down.
Corax:
Corax has been in the warp fighting and killing demons and Chaos warbands on his own as a crazy Raven Demon.
News comes to him through his victims that Omegon has been discovered to be apparently loyal. Corax decides to find out for himself and re-enters real space but he gets pursued by his own chapter who believe he has fallen because of his demonic raven appearance and they hunt him while trying to keep it a secret.
Clone Fulgrim:
So we know he's at Trayzn's museum.
Trayzn's museum gets attacked by a splinter hive fleet who see it as the ultimate store of DNA they can use to further evolve. As Trayzn's forces begin to fall he makes the only move he can and releases Clonegrim and all the astartes from the 18 space marine legions he has in storage. The space marines destroy the Tyranid and because Trayzn gets injured they manage to escape on ships Trayzn also had in storage. They re-enter the galaxy as a massive force but with some knowing of the heresy and some unaware leading to trouble all while Fulgrim tries to unite them.
Russ:
Russ tried to get to the tree of life but got lost in the warp where his ship has been adrift with him fighting demonic incursions while also trying to remain anonymous to the great powers.
Russ is discovered by the released Eldar god Isha who guides him to the gates under Commaragh where Russ battles demons and his sanity to try and reach Vect.
Vulkan:
Vulkan has been trapped in the warp with Gork and Mork after the waaagh energy transported him there. With no memory he has been drifting through the warp.
The warp opens up amd spits him out in the systems of the Farsight Enclaves who just so happen to be under attack from an Orc Waaagh that threatens to overwhelm them. Vulkan with no memory vows to help Commander Farsight destroy the Orcs.
Ferrus Manus:
He's dead and his soul is with The Emperor.
As the warp becomes stronger and stronger in the galaxy Ferrus soul begins to manifest in real space helping his sons. Knowing their father is trying to return the Iron Hands head straight for Terra and The Emperor to revive him but Demon Fulgrim pursues them trying to prevent his brothers return.
Sanguinius:
He's dead and his soul is scattered.
He can only return durung the end times for 40k but his return is the result of a deal made between The Emperor and Tzeentch who piece his soul back together and his new vampiric demonic form returns to slaughter anything in his path.
It's only a matter of time until Elves, Orks, and Humans are a ramshackled alliance faction.
I know im late to the video and im also late to the lore but im just glad Lion is back
Man, I’m still waiting for He’Stan and the Salamanders to find the last Artifacts, damn it! Plus, with Sanguinius dead, Vulkan’s the best next best candidate to bring back the Imperium Secundus Triumvirate
Damn, I didn't know Josh Reynolds was no longer working for Black Library. He is a great author. Sucks to find out he won't be writing any more wh40k.
Something to keep in mind about the stagnation of the Ynnari plotline: that used to be the norm for all of 40k. The story never changed or progressed beyond the occasional story update at the conclusion of a rare, global campaign.
The fact that there's story progression at all is a fucking godsend, cuz it didn't exist until 7th/8th edition. 13 year old me is losing his mind that there are playable primarch models that aren't Golden Demon conversions.
This isn't an Old Man Yells At Clouds thing, I just think that taking a massive, generally stagnant, sandbox setting and injecting a progressing narrative is going to create some missteps and I think that's what happened with the Ynnari. They were too large of a paradigm shift in a period of massive paradigm shifts.
GW could move the Ynnead plot line forward by having Cegorach either trick or outright steal the Crone Sword from Slaanesh and give it to the Ynnari. Cegorach is already known to trick Slaanesh and save the souls of Harlequins from being devoured when they die. I'm sure they could have Cegorach and the Harlequins/Ynnari pull off a heist to get the Crone Sword, or something similar.
id love a full video about the king in yellow he's defiantly my favorite plot line at the moment
Still holding out for clonegrim I don’t care if all evidence points to the contrary lol. At least as a way to bring daemon primarch Fulgrim back into the setting.
Bro I’m PRAYING
I’m hoping for the Lion and Luther to meet. Here’s how I’m hoping (but it’s 50/50 on it) happens, they meet, have a duel which the Lion wins of course and instead of killing Luther he gives him the option for another greater path like the rest of his “traitor” sons. It would be in my opinion what really cements him as this new Lion GW is seeming to go with. This different character who is not so rash and head strong but thinks about things more and chooses different routes than his younger self.
Valdor may as well be a Primarch. Dude is a total and absolute badass.
With it comes to slanesh they're the one chaos god gw would kill because they've been edging them out for years.
Mostly because they want to sell to kids and slanesh is the most kid unfriendly alongside the drukari who they've also been slowly shuffling off.
I could see them having an event that kills slanesh and the drukari in one big struggle that leaves the ynari as the successor faction. Or just having the aeldari.
You give such great info about the lore, I wish you cited the sources so we could grab the books where you find your info