I am 57 years old and I shot recurve my whole life. 6 months ago a bought a samick skb 45 and - IT CHANGED EVERYTHING ! - I shoot off the right side now and can shoot a foot ball out of the air. My speed is through the roof ! I can shoot 6 arrows out of my back quiver in 10 seconds...ON TARGET ! All I can say to those right handed shooters who still shoot off a left side shelf. You are missing out ! Off the hand horse bow is a whole new world. In two weeks....you can be shooting thumb release with better accuracy than you do with your classic recurve. Try it !
I’m glad you got your first Asiatic bow, if you are interested in the future try thumb draw with the arrow on the other side as it is typically done is horseback archery (there are exceptions such as kassai that use med draw on horseback but you are already experienced in that style)
@@greenhoodedvigilante458 I think most people associate historical Hungarian archery with Kassai but he is a modern archer using a technique that works for him. Lajos Kassai doesn't claim that his method is historical, he lost his thumb during an accident
As a Hungarian I can teal you that you picked the awailable cheepest, which isn't a fund the "rela deal" which is not from fiberglass but natural materials. As I know the old war bows started from 60 kg draw waith. This tipe of bow holds the world record in longest shot category.
I does actualey have won....NOT be sportin no wood though ..it be sportin That fiberous glass...better know n as simply.... - Fiberglass! Ain't that sumthin?(I CAAN reiley spel prroperrley. Cuz I had bin knowed that their be an owe in bows, I had BIINN DUN KNOWED THATT? AINT IT, Ain't it thin! Aight..Bett!?
Bought one these off ebay about eight or nine years ago; a fifty pounder for 65 buck. It was my first Asian bow and I enjoy shooting it still. I have much better version of if now but it still shoots well and I don't have to baby it in bad weather. Despite it's innovative beginnings the "horse bow" is still a simple bow. Yes, you do shoot off your hand and the handle is as simply as it gets with no arrow rest. This kind of a bow makes you a real archer without the technology to forgive your mistakes. It doesn't make excuses for your limitations. You learn to overcome them, and you become a better archer for it.
Buffalo horn bows are sooo high maintenance, it is constantly disforming, my horse bow coach has one, and he needs to tone it over fire everytime he uses it.
I bought myself one of those bows from Amazon. 50lb draw weight. Actually very happy with it! Had some issues shooting off my hand though, so added an arrow rest which I made from leather and wrapped it around the grip. Really do like it a lot! Does take a while to get used to, but for £99, I'm not complaining. Love the vids dude, keep 'em coming!!!
to avoid the red/blistering of shooting off of your hand, you can knock the arrow slightly higher to avoid the fletching from rubbing aggressively on your hand! I shoot these kind of bows, and would recommend that you shoot them with a thumb draw technique and a thumb guard at that. Shooting Mediterranean with these kind of bows can be harder because of where to bow sits. Love your videos! actually use your videos when deciding which bows to give as gifts! keep up the amazing work!
Thank you. I watched multiple videos from you and I built a bow for my daughter. Your knowledge, and frankly entertaining videos, have been instrumental in my success.... seriously first bow I tried pre-watching your channel snapped in two - that's when I figured I needed help. Perhaps when I get over my skill block I may make a bow for myself.... although I think the gods of random chance will against it.
For a "horse bow", there are better options out there in the same price range, but they aren't as readily available on Amazon. It's going to be a hard direct comparison for a traditional design horse bow to a modern center shot design since they fill different niches. To take full advantage of an Asiatic/Eastern style bow, you usually shoot with a thumb draw with the arrow on the outside of the bow, draw well past the normal modern anchor at the corner of the mouth (some long draw styles even pull back to the draw shoulder), and possibly even use khatra to better clear the arrow. You can shoot them just fine without bow hand protection by nocking the arrow roughly 1/2" higher so the fletching clears the hand. While a horse bow can't replicate the accuracy and repeatability of a modern center shot bow, it has different interesting aspects.
AFArchery sells "horse bows" through Amazon as well and they generally come fairly well recommended in both fiberglass and wood-fiberglass laminate, though the latter is clearly prettier and pricier.
Completely agree these can't be tested to a centershot. I shoot thumb draw and can group arrows with any of my horsebows out to 20 yards 1 on top of another time after time again. Great starter bow for eastern style archery.
Just to expand a little on the nocking point for an arrow. The way Kramer was shooting - the arrow is resting on his hand, coming back to be nocked at a right-angle with the string. The 1/2" you suggest is a point above that perpendicular point. Personally, I use a rule-of-thumb of one and a half arrow diameters for the distance above. With the bamboo arrows I use, that's about 3/8". As far as fletchings go, if you have plastic vanes on your arrows, the above-perpendicular nocking point is a must. With feathers where some quill is still on the feather - well, you see the result on Kramer's hand. Korean bamboo arrows are fletched with pheasant feathers with the quill removed and are more forgiving on your hand or thumb.
I have this bow in 35# and really like it. It is fun to shoot, the leather work and string wrap are very nicely done, the grip is comfortable for long sessions. If you shoot horse bows, it isn't bad. You can avoid cutting your hand by knocking the arrow a bit higher on the string. If you aren't sure which side is up, look at the grip, there is a low friction strip for the arrow to rest against. If you want to try a horse bow, this is an inexpensive option. Beware, though, when you start having fun with it, you may wind up spending a lot more money on horse bows. I did.
Nice video! That particular bow was my first bow ever, beginning a love affair with archery. I have since moved on to heavier, laminated bows, but I still often grab this one for warmup, rapid shooting, and teaching friends. Glad you had an enjoyable experience. Bear in mind that this bow is really designed to be drawn fully, so arrow speed at anything below 30" may be considerably less. Asiatic military bows (even an introductory fiberglass one like this) are a real joy to shoot, especially ones with long draw lengths. Historically some were designed to draw to 36" and beyond. Nocking the arrow a little higher on the string will prevent the fletches from scratching your bow hand. Although I'm not really familiar with shooting off the knuckle side like you do, I imagine it probably works the same. Learning to shoot off the draw side (thumb side) will increase your draw length and also allow bow hand torque (known as khatra), which allows the arrow to clear the arrow pass without paradoxing. Enjoy all your videos!
I have this bow, your feelings are right. It is a nice little bow. I flip between Mediterranean and thumb draw a lot and have put countless arrows down range with it and its one of my favorites. One thing to help with the cuts is to smooth the transition from shaft to fletching. I didn't have the string vibration problem but I never found proper arrows for the length I draw anyways. It's no Tomahawk but I enjoy it too.
This was my first bow after using a youth bow for a few weeks. I got the 30# variant and used Asiatic thumb draw to shoot. When I upped my poundage and got a 45# Korean style bow, I realized how rough this thing actually is. Even for a plinker, you can get better at this price.
If you shoot a reflex bow like a reflex bow is used to be shot, instead of shooting it like a longbow / olympic recourve, then you use khatra. With khatra, you don't hit your arms.
This has probably been said many times, but a horsebow is shot with a thumb ring and rotational hand force instead of off of a rest. The arrow is also fried from the other side of the bow compared to European archery.
@@simontuffs4106 I think you miss the point. I wouldn't go as far as saying it is a different sport entirely, but it originates from a different martial art. The technique is different. Karate and kickboxing both use punches and kicks but are not the same and not gauged by the same standards. A horse has been designed to be shot while mounted. I think I over stressed the point, but yes, they can be shot without one.
If you have never shot off the hand or done thumb release technique I suggest you watch Armin Hirmer channel on RUclips. In his older videos he shows how to do it effectively. In essence you nock the arrow ABOVE the "normal" nock point. Depending on the bow and your preference, 1/4 to 1/2 inch higher. Armin explains it well
Looks like an Alibow H-1 "Hungarian" model. The siyahs and handle are mulberry wood, the limbs are solid fiberglass. Covered in cow or pig skin. The strings are tempered Nylon on the least expensive bows, Dyneema on the others. Performance improves a lot with a good Dacron or Dyneema string. You can special order it up to 110@28. A friend has one that is 138@32, and it outshoots his 150@32 hickory longbow as far as speed.
hey man no hate by all means but you were shooting the bow in the wrong manner. the arrow rest on the thumb and you use the L shape finger technique holding your thumb under the arrow then pulling back and relisting your hand. Keep in mind to turn your wrist holding the bow while relisting the arrow, "not just so it doesnt glide your arm, but to use it like a trigger to hit the smallest points.....anyway all love brother
For $99 not a bad buy if you're expecting it to be what it is. Would be a great little bow for hunting in the brush if you took the time to tune arrows and really learn it
highly recommend alibow if you want a great quality asiatic reflex deflex bow. Kheshig in particular. its all i shoot. just beautiful and powerful and all hell
So I used to have this bow. I ordered mine in 45 and it came in as a 50. It hits like a truck but if you've only shot modern recurve or longbows you are in for something..... different
I've got a kassai horsebow and dialing in the arrow spine to the draw weight really helps with it shooting to one side like that. Also it's a 30 lb draw weight for mounted archery so the only arrows I can get from the local bubba hunting store have pink fletchings, which is fun.
your video helped me into not buying this bow, keep faith and stay strong! What is the best and affordable bow to you, I don't have money that much I help everyone I can with my money but now I'm looking for a bow and I can't afford a decent one, sadly..
I have this exact bow!!! Well… Not this exact one. But I have one that looks just like it. I got it because I wanted to practice the thumb draw. But I didn’t wanna spend too much money on my first Asian bow. When using the thumb draw, and performing the Khatra, this is actually a really nice bow!!! It’s smooth and accurate! 🏹🔥👊🏼
I have that same bow but in 55#. I replaced the string and put some fur on them. Shoots way better now. It's still not an amazing bow, but it's a great way to get into primitive shooting on the cheap.
I have a bow that looks a lot like this one except that it has a red scaled wrap where the leather is on this one. It's a light draw but since I'm new to archery it's fine and I've been enjoying using it. I have to say that after seeing how you shoot to the left with your bow is a relief since I find myself doing that too, it's good to know that it's not me.
Funny enough, I got started on a traditional horse bow and the moment I started shooting recurves and compounds that were more centered it threw my aim way off to the right! I totally learned the cutting my hand thing quick, started throwing on some simple gardening gloves until I could spend a lil. I actually started wearing out the gloves I was wearing so I reinforced the cut with superglue, kept on going.
When I first started with these style of bows I cut the living daylights out of my riser hand with the feathers... sliced it right open across the thumb like a paper razor cut... leaerned real fast to wear the leather riser glove... LOL! Wish you the best at Shatterproof Archery... and I really love my Mongolian Horse Bow with the Fastflight string you guys made on it... one that is covered in cobra skin... got a cheap archery thumb ring for it but I do have another thumb ring I payed a lot more for made out of silver but it bends so easy.... will see how the cheaper ring does when it arrives but the other ring I got came from Instanbul which was formerly Constantinople, in Turkey. Beautiful thumb ring... but real silver bends easy. Any way later...
you say diferent bow for diferent reasons.... this bow its made for Amazon.... purchase a bow from Kassai Lajos, Grozer Csaba or Vegh Robert and you will see what is a real traditional hungaryan bow or a horse bow.... they will surprise you
Northwest Nomad Warriors has a nice, compact, fiberglass horse bow for about $100 and it’s an awesome shooter. When you’re shooting off your hand, if you nock the arrow a bit higher on the string, it will prevent the fletching from cutting your hand, or you can just wear some thin gardening gloves. Enjoyable, informative videos; thanks!
Looks like the Pmz horse bow I just got for $50. Sturdy bow, but has a bit of hand shock. Definitely recommend silencers on the string to help with that.
A great double tip by sticking ur pointer finger out and bending it for a arrow rest keeps fletching from cutting and if u cant hold ur finger out the bow to heavy for u to ahoot accurately
Oh man ,,, been thinking about this for a long time ,,, primitive arms !!! so I went ahead and got the Hungarian and the black Hunter ,,, double the arrows ,,, wrist guard ,,, finger guard ... I went ahead and got a chainmail shirt ,,, @ some point you're going to be getting shot at ... hope I'm not overdoing it ... I'm ready for this thing to go violet ... watched a lot of archery tube ,,, you're the most practical ,,, thank you ,,, godspeed ... Dave ...
Okay some of that might have sounded creepy ... I live in a very rural area just south of the Okefenokee Swamp ,,, you don't have to worry about animals ,,, as much as you do ... The pillbillies and the meth heads ... so I know what's coming ... but don't worry about me ... I got it ... D
Really enjoy your video, but I think you should use thumb release combined with Katra technique (slightly move your wrist as you follow through with the release), it will help with your aim and avoid nicks and cuts on your hand.
I just learned of horsebows, or mongolian bows. Some youtubers shoot it with a thumb draw, with a guard on the thumb and a guard on the fingers of the bow hand. I'm no expert but that might work better for you.
I have 3 of my own and gifted another 4, all are fiberglass as stated in their description, i did not get them from the same place, my 2 38" bows and the 54" bow are excellent, I have a 30# for strengthening and practice, I'm 74, and i hunt with 45#. I have been instinct shooting since i was 6, my Dad got me a howard hill junior, then a full size hill flat bow, i even build the robin hood 3 vein turkey feather fletching, just flu flu ish, they make a cool sound shooting the bail,,,
I'm new into archery and I have a 60"inch recurve bow with a 45lbs draw which is a little much for me so it there a way to bring it to around 35 to 40 lbs with a different string
Nice review for someone not familiar with this style of bow, as others have said nock high off the hand & maybe try thumb release. As someone with a short draw length 3 finger, a horse bow shot thumb release with a floating anchor helps me get the max out of it.
Khatra saves your thumb. Don’t use knocking point. In description it says for higher drawweights than 60 pounds you oughta contact them. Fiberglass for 99,- is fine. Good practice bow.
I switched to an asiatic qing dynasty botlw and thumb draw about 3 months ago, put my traditional and recurve bows away, love shooting it. Also learn khatra it helps.
Have you tried the thumb draw? It is so much fun and cool to shoot these kinds of "Horse Bows" with this techique. I switched from med. to thumbdraw, and it feels for me more natural.
I thought those bows were like Mongolian Horsemen Bows and were shot using a thumb ring snd the arrow positioned on the other side using your thumb as the rest; and when you release you roll your wrist to stop the archers parallax
My amazon special broke at the glue and wood ends as did my friend's. I learned my lesson and went with Daylite Archery after that for thumb drawn bows.
Love to see you try to make a horseback bow like one of these! Working on my first bow thanks to finding your channel a while back. Always a great video
Thanks for the review man I bought this so my wife would have something cheaper to start shooting with me. I'm going to shoot it for a while as well but at least I don't really think I made a bad purchase cuz it looks like it's going to be a blast to have something like this to shoot with.
For Your next will it Bow,try nothing but a heavy layer of titebond 3 as a backing,it's an extremely flexible glue and is "Stronger than the Wood.",so maybe it will be a good backing by itself on a bow that otherwise would not hold up.
I have this one, and I actually love it. They used to have a lot more powerful options. I have the 110lbs bow, but I measured it at my draw length, and is nearly 135lbs. I am pretty impressed.
Horse bows need a thumb release technique as well as following through. If done right you don’t need to wear all these leather gloves and straps. Maybe a thumb ring. Also it’s a horse bow, on horseback you’re not worried about an arrow rest....
a nice trick with a hungarian bow to not get your hand blodied is to nock the arrow 1,5 cm higher than the tip. This way when you lose the arrow it will jump off of your hand and not bruise it with the fletching. Basicly works as a drop away arrow rest.
I’m not sure, but I believe that arrows spined properly to the bow might make it shoot straighter. I don’t know if you already did that either. Just a thought. Great review though! You are amazing!
It was a properly spined arrow. It's called "archers paradox" the string is thinner than the handle so (without khatra) the arrow has to bend around the bow. The whole reason why "traditional bows" aka recurves are centre shot or nearly so. Makes shooting easier and arrow spine isnt that big of an issue
@@Daylon91 I am somewhat familiar with the archers paradox, and if I recall correctly, non center shot bows require more flexible arrows to compensate. I appreciate your reply though. Again, I might be wrong, but that is what my memory has.
I don't know how your personal life is but man you just radiates very good vibes and good energy you're very sincere person and you're compassionate and you're passionate that's awesome so I'm at Home Depot's yesterday loading some lumber on top of the van when I went to grab the board and I got a two and a half inch piece of the board in between my index and my middle finger all the way to the center of my palm I had to cut half of it open with a razor blade to get it out it was probably the size of a pencil kind of sucks but the good news is I want a budget so I got a shipping tube a leather satchel and I made a really Kick-Ass quiver then I found a stencil carrying case and it holds all your components for your takedown recurve I guess something positive did come out of the negative
I have the 55 pounds version of the bow. Didn't measure to see if it's actually accurate. When I got it, it said wood + fibreglass. I guess the description varries with the seller. I worked well for me. Tried shootin in at minus 5 degrees outdoor and that's when kt doesn't like to soot. It starts screetching whil I pull on the string. For 100 dolars, I was happy with the overall performance.
You should review the Aliarchery Turkish bow on Amazon, it’s top notch for the price and they listed everything correctly. I got the 40 pound ox horn model
I have this bow in 60 lbs. It's a beast! I'm very happy with that. You should shoot thump release with eastern style bows! Not meditarain style. Try it, it's fun :) greats from Germany
So I bought the 65lb version of this bow, and I love it. I use old 400 aluminum arrows with large shield cut fletchings. I moved my hand placement to the center of the bow and nock at the center of the string, and i saw great improvement in accuracy. There was definitely a large learning curve but at 30 yards I can place arrows almost on top of each other.
Please do a series on making wooden arrows😊 l love making arrows more then building bows. Every other RUclipsr is building bows. What type of wood? Spine? Weight? Nock type?
I might be wrong but weren't horse bows meant to be fired from the right side of the bow while resting on the up curled thumb of the left hand that is holding the bow? Could be the reason for the far left shots.
I just received my two strings I ordered from you, they are awesome! One for my current recurve and the other for a fiberglass tape backed red oak board bow I’m almost finished with. The oak bow will be for my brother for Christmas and it’s a beast so far. Can’t wait to tune them both in with the new strings!
I picked one like this up at a flea market for $60. (50lb.) I don't even feel the fletchings on my hand. I'm not sure why. It shoots pretty well. Not much vibration either. I think getting the brace height dead on is key, so the string terminates on the siyah. The right arrow spine should help with it shooting to the left. Thanks for the review!
my two cents worth. string Hight is critical for this bow to shoot well. get that right and it won't be loud or vibrate. bow cant is also critical find just the right amount and it will shoot point of aim. longer heaver arrows seem to work best. bend a zip tie and tape it on for an arrow rest find the best nock point and it will shoot fine. or just buy a center shot recurve that is all setup for you at the archery shop.
mine has a weird Scandinavian designed vinyl wrap instead of leather on the limbs. okay so the weird string on them is supposed to be twisted so arrows shoot faster and get your poundage up mine was low to and twisted the string and strung it back up .ive pushed it to 75 lbs but it starts creaking I wouldn't risk anything over 60
If the arrow scratches your hand your nocking point is too low. I have been shooting of my hand for years and never used hand protection, cus there is zero need for it. The arrow allways leaves the string at the hight it has been nocked to, and all u need to do is to maje sure that hight is bit higher than your hand, and your hand is safe.
So I bought this as a loner bow for my group, had it tested at a bow shop and at 28" it was 37 lbs so I think it's varied. But still a good bow for the price. Ps good video I love you're channel
I have been watching your videos since you made a bow from a pallet, instantly hooked. I don't have a kit myself....yet, and am waiting in anticipation for the rest of this series so I can make a choice on which one to get. Your videos are incredibly informative and the more I learn from them the more excited I am to be able to let loose so to speak. I find myself thinking of variables I never would have thought of even 6 months ago. (should I go longbow or re-curve?, I am a short guy so what length would be good?,I have a very strong back/shoulder from all of the gymnast sports I have done so what draw weight would be good? etc.) As I watch more of your videos I get those answers and more. I DO have one unanswered question I don't think you will cover however. I recently took a CQB course and after 25+ years I found out I am left eye dominant and have been shooting right handed for over 20 years, when I switched to left with the rifles it was instant comfortable and my grouping became on point with better aim. I am not sure if I would do better with a left or right handed bow or even an ambidextrous one? I was really hoping this would score better in snagability but I understand the learning curve involved with this type of bow here. Is there a good cheap bow around 40-50lb draw, 190ishfps around 48-55" for me to be able to figure out my left or right or even be able to shoot both sides?
i bought a similar bow from aliexpress 3 years ago and its still shooting fine, at least there the seller was honest about the materials eg fibreglass, mine is 50lbs and good fun to shoot and, i always wear a leather thumb and 2 half finger glove as an arrow rest (i have delicate little manly handies) but i cant remember where i got it from. my bow is much quieter with no weird vibration than the bow in the vid, that one just sounds wrong
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I am 57 years old and I shot recurve my whole life. 6 months ago a bought a samick skb 45 and - IT CHANGED EVERYTHING ! - I shoot off the right side now and can shoot a foot ball out of the air. My speed is through the roof ! I can shoot 6 arrows out of my back quiver in 10 seconds...ON TARGET ! All I can say to those right handed shooters who still shoot off a left side shelf. You are missing out ! Off the hand horse bow is a whole new world. In two weeks....you can be shooting thumb release with better accuracy than you do with your classic recurve. Try it !
I’m glad you got your first Asiatic bow, if you are interested in the future try thumb draw with the arrow on the other side as it is typically done is horseback archery (there are exceptions such as kassai that use med draw on horseback but you are already experienced in that style)
Also they do have 110lbs@28 which is approximately 138@32 however I don’t think they sell that on amazon only. You gotta go to alibaba to order
@@HistoricalWeapons Didn’t Hungarians shoot composite bows with mediterranean draw?
I am not sure, I am just asking.
Love your work, btw.
@@greenhoodedvigilante458 I think most people associate historical Hungarian archery with Kassai but he is a modern archer using a technique that works for him. Lajos Kassai doesn't claim that his method is historical, he lost his thumb during an accident
@@HistoricalWeapons Did actually people shoot composite recurve bows with mediterranean draw in any region?
@@greenhoodedvigilante458 vikings, cretans, western europeans, italians, etc.
As a Hungarian I can teal you that you picked the awailable cheepest, which isn't a fund the "rela deal" which is not from fiberglass but natural materials. As I know the old war bows started from 60 kg draw waith. This tipe of bow holds the world record in longest shot category.
I got one too. I was so 8:53 happy.....I got wood!! Huh huh huh huh huh huh! ? 😅 Yeah, Yeah, heh heh heh heh That cool...I said "W O O D!!
I does actualey have won....NOT be sportin no wood though ..it be sportin That fiberous glass...better know n as simply.... - Fiberglass! Ain't that sumthin?(I CAAN reiley spel prroperrley. Cuz I had bin knowed that their be an owe in bows, I had BIINN DUN KNOWED THATT? AINT IT, Ain't it thin! Aight..Bett!?
what are you waffling about
The warbows didnt start from "60kg" lmao that was most likely elite archers
How much, a rough estimate would a bow made from actual materials be worth?
Bought one these off ebay about eight or nine years ago; a fifty pounder for 65 buck. It was my first Asian bow and I enjoy shooting it still. I have much better version of if now but it still shoots well and I don't have to baby it in bad weather. Despite it's innovative beginnings the "horse bow" is still a simple bow. Yes, you do shoot off your hand and the handle is as simply as it gets with no arrow rest. This kind of a bow makes you a real archer without the technology to forgive your mistakes. It doesn't make excuses for your limitations. You learn to overcome them, and you become a better archer for it.
i would love to see you build an actual composite bow with buffalo horn and sinew on a wooden core.
ME TOO!!!
Buffalo horn bows are sooo high maintenance, it is constantly disforming, my horse bow coach has one, and he needs to tone it over fire everytime he uses it.
@@tinnielee2215 Is it a traditional korean hornbow?
This guy is such a likable person. Excellent review. Keep up the good work.
I bought myself one of those bows from Amazon. 50lb draw weight. Actually very happy with it! Had some issues shooting off my hand though, so added an arrow rest which I made from leather and wrapped it around the grip. Really do like it a lot! Does take a while to get used to, but for £99, I'm not complaining. Love the vids dude, keep 'em coming!!!
This bow was my first (and only) bow. I like it a lot to be honest.
to avoid the red/blistering of shooting off of your hand, you can knock the arrow slightly higher to avoid the fletching from rubbing aggressively on your hand! I shoot these kind of bows, and would recommend that you shoot them with a thumb draw technique and a thumb guard at that. Shooting Mediterranean with these kind of bows can be harder because of where to bow sits. Love your videos! actually use your videos when deciding which bows to give as gifts! keep up the amazing work!
Thank you. I watched multiple videos from you and I built a bow for my daughter. Your knowledge, and frankly entertaining videos, have been instrumental in my success.... seriously first bow I tried pre-watching your channel snapped in two - that's when I figured I needed help.
Perhaps when I get over my skill block I may make a bow for myself.... although I think the gods of random chance will against it.
For a "horse bow", there are better options out there in the same price range, but they aren't as readily available on Amazon. It's going to be a hard direct comparison for a traditional design horse bow to a modern center shot design since they fill different niches. To take full advantage of an Asiatic/Eastern style bow, you usually shoot with a thumb draw with the arrow on the outside of the bow, draw well past the normal modern anchor at the corner of the mouth (some long draw styles even pull back to the draw shoulder), and possibly even use khatra to better clear the arrow. You can shoot them just fine without bow hand protection by nocking the arrow roughly 1/2" higher so the fletching clears the hand. While a horse bow can't replicate the accuracy and repeatability of a modern center shot bow, it has different interesting aspects.
AFArchery sells "horse bows" through Amazon as well and they generally come fairly well recommended in both fiberglass and wood-fiberglass laminate, though the latter is clearly prettier and pricier.
I like the alibow Advanced yuan bow. $150. Most horse bow will be better shooting with thumb anyway. I made the switch and never look back
Completely agree these can't be tested to a centershot. I shoot thumb draw and can group arrows with any of my horsebows out to 20 yards 1 on top of another time after time again. Great starter bow for eastern style archery.
Just to expand a little on the nocking point for an arrow. The way Kramer was shooting - the arrow is resting on his hand, coming back to be nocked at a right-angle with the string. The 1/2" you suggest is a point above that perpendicular point. Personally, I use a rule-of-thumb of one and a half arrow diameters for the distance above. With the bamboo arrows I use, that's about 3/8".
As far as fletchings go, if you have plastic vanes on your arrows, the above-perpendicular nocking point is a must. With feathers where some quill is still on the feather - well, you see the result on Kramer's hand. Korean bamboo arrows are fletched with pheasant feathers with the quill removed and are more forgiving on your hand or thumb.
I have this bow in 35# and really like it. It is fun to shoot, the leather work and string wrap are very nicely done, the grip is comfortable for long sessions. If you shoot horse bows, it isn't bad. You can avoid cutting your hand by knocking the arrow a bit higher on the string. If you aren't sure which side is up, look at the grip, there is a low friction strip for the arrow to rest against. If you want to try a horse bow, this is an inexpensive option. Beware, though, when you start having fun with it, you may wind up spending a lot more money on horse bows. I did.
Nice video! That particular bow was my first bow ever, beginning a love affair with archery. I have since moved on to heavier, laminated bows, but I still often grab this one for warmup, rapid shooting, and teaching friends. Glad you had an enjoyable experience.
Bear in mind that this bow is really designed to be drawn fully, so arrow speed at anything below 30" may be considerably less.
Asiatic military bows (even an introductory fiberglass one like this) are a real joy to shoot, especially ones with long draw lengths. Historically some were designed to draw to 36" and beyond.
Nocking the arrow a little higher on the string will prevent the fletches from scratching your bow hand. Although I'm not really familiar with shooting off the knuckle side like you do, I imagine it probably works the same.
Learning to shoot off the draw side (thumb side) will increase your draw length and also allow bow hand torque (known as khatra), which allows the arrow to clear the arrow pass without paradoxing.
Enjoy all your videos!
I have this bow, your feelings are right. It is a nice little bow. I flip between Mediterranean and thumb draw a lot and have put countless arrows down range with it and its one of my favorites. One thing to help with the cuts is to smooth the transition from shaft to fletching. I didn't have the string vibration problem but I never found proper arrows for the length I draw anyways. It's no Tomahawk but I enjoy it too.
This was my first bow after using a youth bow for a few weeks. I got the 30# variant and used Asiatic thumb draw to shoot. When I upped my poundage and got a 45# Korean style bow, I realized how rough this thing actually is. Even for a plinker, you can get better at this price.
I have this bow and for a week I didn't realize the brace hight need to be 7 inch.
Knock high and no hand hits.
I love this beater.
If you shoot a reflex bow like a reflex bow is used to be shot, instead of shooting it like a longbow / olympic recourve, then you use khatra. With khatra, you don't hit your arms.
This has probably been said many times, but a horsebow is shot with a thumb ring and rotational hand force instead of off of a rest. The arrow is also fried from the other side of the bow compared to European archery.
I wanted to say this very thing. An requires an entirely different technique. The @rasmafsar channel is a great resource.
@@drakewolfe8359 been shooting these types of bows 12 years, thumb release is not required.
@@simontuffs4106 I think you miss the point. I wouldn't go as far as saying it is a different sport entirely, but it originates from a different martial art. The technique is different. Karate and kickboxing both use punches and kicks but are not the same and not gauged by the same standards. A horse has been designed to be shot while mounted. I think I over stressed the point, but yes, they can be shot without one.
@@drakewolfe8359 Hungarians used the mediterranean draw despite their bows' ancestry in Asia.
Europeans also shoot off the thumb the shooting of the knuckle is a tournament style shooting.
If you have never shot off the hand or done thumb release technique I suggest you watch Armin Hirmer channel on RUclips. In his older videos he shows how to do it effectively. In essence you nock the arrow ABOVE the "normal" nock point. Depending on the bow and your preference, 1/4 to 1/2 inch higher. Armin explains it well
Dear Sir, I love this series. I haven't shot a bow since my teens, but Imma stick with the red oak/drywall monster you done taught me to build.
They did have a wider range of poundage at some point, i have the 100lb version.
Looks like an Alibow H-1 "Hungarian" model. The siyahs and handle are mulberry wood, the limbs are solid fiberglass. Covered in cow or pig skin. The strings are tempered Nylon on the least expensive bows, Dyneema on the others. Performance improves a lot with a good Dacron or Dyneema string. You can special order it up to 110@28. A friend has one that is 138@32, and it outshoots his 150@32 hickory longbow as far as speed.
hey man no hate by all means but you were shooting the bow in the wrong manner. the arrow rest on the thumb and you use the L shape finger technique holding your thumb under the arrow then pulling back and relisting your hand. Keep in mind to turn your wrist holding the bow while relisting the arrow, "not just so it doesnt glide your arm, but to use it like a trigger to hit the smallest points.....anyway all love brother
For $99 not a bad buy if you're expecting it to be what it is. Would be a great little bow for hunting in the brush if you took the time to tune arrows and really learn it
To be honest one could get a much better quality laminated recurve from Hungary around that price range..
highly recommend alibow if you want a great quality asiatic reflex deflex bow. Kheshig in particular. its all i shoot. just beautiful and powerful and all hell
They do have the 110lbs option now, you should buy that one and review it!
Just got two of these bows for my wife and I to start doing archery in our backyard (got an acre). Can't wait to try them.
So I used to have this bow. I ordered mine in 45 and it came in as a 50. It hits like a truck but if you've only shot modern recurve or longbows you are in for something..... different
I've got a kassai horsebow and dialing in the arrow spine to the draw weight really helps with it shooting to one side like that. Also it's a 30 lb draw weight for mounted archery so the only arrows I can get from the local bubba hunting store have pink fletchings, which is fun.
your video helped me into not buying this bow, keep faith and stay strong! What is the best and affordable bow to you, I don't have money that much I help everyone I can with my money but now I'm looking for a bow and I can't afford a decent one, sadly..
I have this exact bow!!! Well… Not this exact one. But I have one that looks just like it. I got it because I wanted to practice the thumb draw. But I didn’t wanna spend too much money on my first Asian bow. When using the thumb draw, and performing the Khatra, this is actually a really nice bow!!! It’s smooth and accurate! 🏹🔥👊🏼
I have that same bow but in 55#. I replaced the string and put some fur on them. Shoots way better now. It's still not an amazing bow, but it's a great way to get into primitive shooting on the cheap.
I have a bow that looks a lot like this one except that it has a red scaled wrap where the leather is on this one. It's a light draw but since I'm new to archery it's fine and I've been enjoying using it. I have to say that after seeing how you shoot to the left with your bow is a relief since I find myself doing that too, it's good to know that it's not me.
Funny enough, I got started on a traditional horse bow and the moment I started shooting recurves and compounds that were more centered it threw my aim way off to the right! I totally learned the cutting my hand thing quick, started throwing on some simple gardening gloves until I could spend a lil. I actually started wearing out the gloves I was wearing so I reinforced the cut with superglue, kept on going.
When I first started with these style of bows I cut the living daylights out of my riser hand with the feathers... sliced it right open across the thumb like a paper razor cut... leaerned real fast to wear the leather riser glove... LOL! Wish you the best at Shatterproof Archery... and I really love my Mongolian Horse Bow with the Fastflight string you guys made on it... one that is covered in cobra skin... got a cheap archery thumb ring for it but I do have another thumb ring I payed a lot more for made out of silver but it bends so easy.... will see how the cheaper ring does when it arrives but the other ring I got came from Instanbul which was formerly Constantinople, in Turkey. Beautiful thumb ring... but real silver bends easy. Any way later...
I have an 80 pound one I hunt with for the last five years I love it
best shot . makes it proud w/your work. goodluck!!! more perfect shot.
you say diferent bow for diferent reasons.... this bow its made for Amazon.... purchase a bow from Kassai Lajos, Grozer Csaba or Vegh Robert and you will see what is a real traditional hungaryan bow or a horse bow.... they will surprise you
😂😂😂 it’s a training platform Bow, to build up to, the True Horse Bows you’ve mentioned…😊
It's entry level. Nobody cares about quality at that level
If anyone finds this style of bow interesting, I cannot recommend War Bows and Composite Bows by Mike Loades highly enough. Absolutely fascinating.
Northwest Nomad Warriors has a nice, compact, fiberglass horse bow for about $100 and it’s an awesome shooter. When you’re shooting off your hand, if you nock the arrow a bit higher on the string, it will prevent the fletching from cutting your hand, or you can just wear some thin gardening gloves.
Enjoyable, informative videos; thanks!
I've got one, it's taken a bit to get used to the draw weight, but I'm good now. It's a 45 pounder, and does a great job.
Looks like the Pmz horse bow I just got for $50. Sturdy bow, but has a bit of hand shock. Definitely recommend silencers on the string to help with that.
The arrow won't scratch your hand if you raise the nock point about 1cm. Thank You for the bow string BTW!
Wow! I was having a huge issue with that on my own bow, that will help a lot. Thank you
Exactly. No need for a clumsy bow hand glove.
Thanks for this! have been wearing a glove for too long now
Holding the bow more on your thumb avoid that to. And it's better for the balance of the bow.
Koreans advice it for traditional shooting on the hand.
A great double tip by sticking ur pointer finger out and bending it for a arrow rest keeps fletching from cutting and if u cant hold ur finger out the bow to heavy for u to ahoot accurately
Oh man ,,, been thinking about this for a long time ,,, primitive arms !!! so I went ahead and got the Hungarian and the black Hunter ,,, double the arrows ,,, wrist guard ,,, finger guard ... I went ahead and got a chainmail shirt ,,, @ some point you're going to be getting shot at ... hope I'm not overdoing it ... I'm ready for this thing to go violet ... watched a lot of archery tube ,,, you're the most practical ,,, thank you ,,, godspeed ... Dave ...
Okay some of that might have sounded creepy ... I live in a very rural area just south of the Okefenokee Swamp ,,, you don't have to worry about animals ,,, as much as you do ... The pillbillies and the meth heads ... so I know what's coming ... but don't worry about me ... I got it ... D
We got a lot of sayings ,,, out here ... One of the best ones is ,,, you don't have to outrun a bear ... just the person ,,, next 2 ya ... D
Just started watching your content. Really enjoying it. Great work
Really enjoy your video, but I think you should use thumb release combined with Katra technique (slightly move your wrist as you follow through with the release), it will help with your aim and avoid nicks and cuts on your hand.
I just learned of horsebows, or mongolian bows. Some youtubers shoot it with a thumb draw, with a guard on the thumb and a guard on the fingers of the bow hand. I'm no expert but that might work better for you.
I have 3 of my own and gifted another 4, all are fiberglass as stated in their description, i did not get them from the same place, my 2 38" bows and the 54" bow are excellent, I have a 30# for strengthening and practice, I'm 74, and i hunt with 45#. I have been instinct shooting since i was 6, my Dad got me a howard hill junior, then a full size hill flat bow, i even build the robin hood 3 vein turkey feather fletching, just flu flu ish, they make a cool sound shooting the bail,,,
Szia, szép a MAGYAR íjad😊🇭🇺
I'm new into archery and I have a 60"inch recurve bow with a 45lbs draw which is a little much for me so it there a way to bring it to around 35 to 40 lbs with a different string
Lift weights, do pull ups and seated rows
Seated rows for real
Nice review for someone not familiar with this style of bow, as others have said nock high off the hand & maybe try thumb release. As someone with a short draw length 3 finger, a horse bow shot thumb release with a floating anchor helps me get the max out of it.
Khatra saves your thumb. Don’t use knocking point. In description it says for higher drawweights than 60 pounds you oughta contact them. Fiberglass for 99,- is fine. Good practice bow.
I switched to an asiatic qing dynasty botlw and thumb draw about 3 months ago, put my traditional and recurve bows away, love shooting it. Also learn khatra it helps.
Have you tried the thumb draw? It is so much fun and cool to shoot these kinds of "Horse Bows" with this techique. I switched from med. to thumbdraw, and it feels for me more natural.
Not yet but I have it on my list to give it a real good try! Thanks so much!
@@kramerammonsarchery I can see you in the future building nice laminated horse bows XD
I thought those bows were like Mongolian Horsemen Bows and were shot using a thumb ring snd the arrow positioned on the other side using your thumb as the rest; and when you release you roll your wrist to stop the archers parallax
You have to contact them to special order the 120lb bow
They only offer up to 60lbs on the storefront. If you want higher poundage, you got to inquire, they are also higher priced. 28"@80# comes at 150€.
My amazon special broke at the glue and wood ends as did my friend's. I learned my lesson and went with Daylite Archery after that for thumb drawn bows.
I suggest you to shoot it using thumb, and shoot from the right side of bow(usually left with usual bow)
Love to see you try to make a horseback bow like one of these! Working on my first bow thanks to finding your channel a while back. Always a great video
Thanks for the review man I bought this so my wife would have something cheaper to start shooting with me. I'm going to shoot it for a while as well but at least I don't really think I made a bad purchase cuz it looks like it's going to be a blast to have something like this to shoot with.
For Your next will it Bow,try nothing but a heavy layer of titebond 3 as a backing,it's an extremely flexible glue and is "Stronger than the Wood.",so maybe it will be a good backing by itself on a bow that otherwise would not hold up.
I have this one, and I actually love it. They used to have a lot more powerful options. I have the 110lbs bow, but I measured it at my draw length, and is nearly 135lbs. I am pretty impressed.
Horse bows need a thumb release technique as well as following through. If done right you don’t need to wear all these leather gloves and straps. Maybe a thumb ring. Also it’s a horse bow, on horseback you’re not worried about an arrow rest....
Hungarians shot with a three under one above draw.
a nice trick with a hungarian bow to not get your hand blodied is to nock the arrow 1,5 cm higher than the tip. This way when you lose the arrow it will jump off of your hand and not bruise it with the fletching. Basicly works as a drop away arrow rest.
I’m not sure, but I believe that arrows spined properly to the bow might make it shoot straighter. I don’t know if you already did that either. Just a thought. Great review though! You are amazing!
It was a properly spined arrow. It's called "archers paradox" the string is thinner than the handle so (without khatra) the arrow has to bend around the bow. The whole reason why "traditional bows" aka recurves are centre shot or nearly so. Makes shooting easier and arrow spine isnt that big of an issue
@@Daylon91 I am somewhat familiar with the archers paradox, and if I recall correctly, non center shot bows require more flexible arrows to compensate. I appreciate your reply though. Again, I might be wrong, but that is what my memory has.
I don't know how your personal life is but man you just radiates very good vibes and good energy you're very sincere person and you're compassionate and you're passionate that's awesome so I'm at Home Depot's yesterday loading some lumber on top of the van when I went to grab the board and I got a two and a half inch piece of the board in between my index and my middle finger all the way to the center of my palm I had to cut half of it open with a razor blade to get it out it was probably the size of a pencil kind of sucks but the good news is I want a budget so I got a shipping tube a leather satchel and I made a really Kick-Ass quiver then I found a stencil carrying case and it holds all your components for your takedown recurve I guess something positive did come out of the negative
Not gonna lie, their "Ultimate Arm Guard" is the best. Their strings are awesome too.
I have the 55 pounds version of the bow. Didn't measure to see if it's actually accurate. When I got it, it said wood + fibreglass. I guess the description varries with the seller. I worked well for me. Tried shootin in at minus 5 degrees outdoor and that's when kt doesn't like to soot. It starts screetching whil I pull on the string. For 100 dolars, I was happy with the overall performance.
You should review the Aliarchery Turkish bow on Amazon, it’s top notch for the price and they listed everything correctly. I got the 40 pound ox horn model
where can I get one of those little red marks that he has on all of his bow strings, or is it the bow string itself that comes like that?
I have this Bow with 40Lb draw, i really love it.
I have this bow in 60 lbs. It's a beast! I'm very happy with that. You should shoot thump release with eastern style bows! Not meditarain style. Try it, it's fun :) greats from Germany
Thumb release was not universal.
So I bought the 65lb version of this bow, and I love it. I use old 400 aluminum arrows with large shield cut fletchings. I moved my hand placement to the center of the bow and nock at the center of the string, and i saw great improvement in accuracy. There was definitely a large learning curve but at 30 yards I can place arrows almost on top of each other.
Dude I love your videos. Keep it up.
What do you think is best bow this one or black hunter recurv bow
Please do a series on making wooden arrows😊 l love making arrows more then building bows. Every other RUclipsr is building bows. What type of wood? Spine? Weight? Nock type?
I might be wrong but weren't horse bows meant to be fired from the right side of the bow while resting on the up curled thumb of the left hand that is holding the bow?
Could be the reason for the far left shots.
I just received my two strings I ordered from you, they are awesome! One for my current recurve and the other for a fiberglass tape backed red oak board bow I’m almost finished with. The oak bow will be for my brother for Christmas and it’s a beast so far. Can’t wait to tune them both in with the new strings!
Usually horsebows draw weights are measured at 31 inch draw instead of 28 inch
It causes me physical pain to see him shooting Mediterranean style on an Asiatic bow
Yup....
Don't worry they work both ways just fine.
Ah... It's an odd sight, but actually the hungarians use the mediterranean draw despite their bow's ancestry.
I picked one like this up at a flea market for $60. (50lb.) I don't even feel the fletchings on my hand. I'm not sure why. It shoots pretty well. Not much vibration either. I think getting the brace height dead on is key, so the string terminates on the siyah. The right arrow spine should help with it shooting to the left. Thanks for the review!
To make sure the fleching doesn’t hit your hand you have to move the arrow 90 degrees so the arrow is not leveled
I'm a Hungarien! Thanks for this video! My favourite bows are traditional hun horse bows. My bow is a Kassai lynx bow. 38 pounds. Awesome video!
my two cents worth. string Hight is critical for this bow to shoot well. get that right and it won't be loud or vibrate. bow cant is also critical find just the right amount and it will shoot point of aim. longer heaver arrows seem to work best. bend a zip tie and tape it on for an arrow rest find the best nock point and it will shoot fine. or just buy a center shot recurve that is all setup for you at the archery shop.
mine has a weird Scandinavian designed vinyl wrap instead of leather on the limbs.
okay so the weird string on them is supposed to be twisted so arrows shoot faster and get your poundage up mine was low to and twisted the string and strung it back up .ive pushed it to 75 lbs but it starts creaking I wouldn't risk anything over 60
I shoot with the arrow on the right side, after awhile the knuckle for your thumb gets covered in scares and will eventually stop being cut
Really hope you have a bucktrail black hawk to review I love mine. I have some really expensive bows now but I always go back to my black hawk.
Feathered fletches are a must for plain bows
If the arrow scratches your hand your nocking point is too low. I have been shooting of my hand for years and never used hand protection, cus there is zero need for it. The arrow allways leaves the string at the hight it has been nocked to, and all u need to do is to maje sure that hight is bit higher than your hand, and your hand is safe.
It is amazing how Kramer still complains about this 3 years later. "You need hand protection with these kind of bows".
So I bought this as a loner bow for my group, had it tested at a bow shop and at 28" it was 37 lbs so I think it's varied. But still a good bow for the price.
Ps good video I love you're channel
What type of bow and arrow a beginner should use
I'm so bad about not hitting like button I
Note to self hit the damn like button
I have been watching your videos since you made a bow from a pallet, instantly hooked. I don't have a kit myself....yet, and am waiting in anticipation for the rest of this series so I can make a choice on which one to get. Your videos are incredibly informative and the more I learn from them the more excited I am to be able to let loose so to speak. I find myself thinking of variables I never would have thought of even 6 months ago. (should I go longbow or re-curve?, I am a short guy so what length would be good?,I have a very strong back/shoulder from all of the gymnast sports I have done so what draw weight would be good? etc.) As I watch more of your videos I get those answers and more. I DO have one unanswered question I don't think you will cover however.
I recently took a CQB course and after 25+ years I found out I am left eye dominant and have been shooting right handed for over 20 years, when I switched to left with the rifles it was instant comfortable and my grouping became on point with better aim. I am not sure if I would do better with a left or right handed bow or even an ambidextrous one? I was really hoping this would score better in snagability but I understand the learning curve involved with this type of bow here. Is there a good cheap bow around 40-50lb draw, 190ishfps around 48-55" for me to be able to figure out my left or right or even be able to shoot both sides?
i bought a similar bow from aliexpress 3 years ago and its still shooting fine, at least there the seller was honest about the materials eg fibreglass, mine is 50lbs and good fun to shoot and, i always wear a leather thumb and 2 half finger glove as an arrow rest (i have delicate little manly handies) but i cant remember where i got it from. my bow is much quieter with no weird vibration than the bow in the vid, that one just sounds wrong
Love the videos but why dont you have any bows on your website
Just wanna say love ur videos
Very good review. Have you ever shot a Mongolian recurve bow?
What I got from this is if you want to do historical archery, get actually well built historical bows.
Thank you for your sacrifice to bought those bow without quality, thanks for the tips