One idea I have for you lambo is a pepega tuesday format where you go through a few viewer submitted replays of the same build (for example the build in this video) and you can give feedback on the different mistakes people make. This would give you an opportunity to explain the impact of their mistakes and what are the highest priority fixes to focus on improving. With all the viewers focusing on the same build, you can benchmark them against each other and show how big of an impact the lower league mistakes compare to the higher mmr viewers' executions
Thank you lambo! Been waiting for these to come back for ages I love your tutorials. These agressive builds are great in my mmr (D3) because so many people cannon rush/2 base all in/ etc.
I've been playing the 5 roach build from free mmr friday for a while, whenever i wanted some initiative in zvt. It's great to get some more options because that build could feel kinda all-in. I'd love to see something similar for ZvZ and ZvP, low commitment non-standard openers which can give me some initative. This is the sc2 content ive been waiting for!
As usual your videos are so high quality with so much information I'm reaching for a notebook to keep up and learn everything. Will definately have to watch this several times, to pick up all the details. Would love for some of the build, maybe like the standard progress of the build to be accessible in an easy to read- format, then again I can always watch it again with my notebook xD Thanks for a great vid!
Great to have your content back. I would like to have some similar ways of disrupting Protosses in the ZvP match-up. One of the free MMR ZvP builds I used in the past was the hatch tech queen walk, which doesn't work anymore due to the inability to transfuse off creep. But even small disruption to the protoss in the ZvP match-up, like you do here is already enough for me, as I can play the mid game but the longer ZvPs last the more frustrating they become, and having a little edge from the start is already great to have in (I do it in ZvT, and many times in ZvZ, as they don't expect a pool first build in ZvT, or a 17-17-17 in ZvZ, but lack something similar for ZvP).
Lambo, ty so much for actual builds in sc2. Ur channel is pretty much the best Zerg guides i have found. Im playing in diamond 1, hoping for master with ur help :P. The most hard part was about queens. I get pretty much confused, when u skip time between 2:31/ 3:04. But i rewatched it about 10 times and i get it eventually. Ty again so much for what u are doing
There will be Educational Content on this Channel aswell, since that's my bread and butter. LamboTV will be for lower effort educational content without many edits, and Videos that didn't make the cut for the main Channel!
Oh my god. Best guide video ever. Can you do for other Zerg openings, safer ones, riskier ones, vs certain scout info, stuff like that? This was so well explained
finde es geil, wie detailliert du den Build beschreibst, aber was erwarte ich auch. Etwas klaut es schon den Vibe, dieses spontane "dronen" oder "lings" (bin halt auch nur dia3), allerdings ist das Timing auch verdammt früh. Bin gerne mal etwas vor der terranischen Defense in der Natural, macht ja auch Sinn zwecks Damage und Scouting und es ist zudem Macro, was die Planungssicherheit vergößert. Wird direkt geübt ;)
the funny thing is about lower level terrans just yolo-ing in their SCV: I tried the build a few times now and lower-level terrans (~3.8k MMR) walk into your base at the 1 minute mark or something. All that theory about stopping the scout goes out the window. Great build though, fun to play!
haha i didn't consider that. The thing is that if somebody scouts that early they won't know if its a roach build or a normal lingspeed build anyways then, so there's a good chance they'll just overreact and you'll be far ahead!
I think this type of 17gas 17pool build is ideal when facing against random. Catches cheese, and doesn't put you that much back if they macro opener, and possibly gives you an opportunity to reactively all-in if you smell blood in the water.
Nice build Lambo, i think this should be called solid macro safe build, not so much "aggressive build" since there is no plan of attacking the enemy early on to do significant damage or win, making 4-10 lings in first 4-5 min or gameplay is very standard, and so is the ling harass at the oponent natural based on the reaper position. What i would call aggressive is ur 8 roach 1 rav oxide build.
Well, it is not common to harass this early on with zerglings. This is the only build with intention to inflict damage with lings on a high level, so there definitely is an agressive aspect to it. It is less commited than the 9 roach opener for sure though. I straight up won games against top players with the lingspeed attack aswell so damage is not uncommon :) If you want to take the agression further, u can make the 2 drones after the 22 overlord into extra lings and one more pair after to make it 14 lings and try to catch the first two hellions with them.
thanks for the great guide really appreciate it... BUT WHAT DO I DO AGAINST PROTOSS, I need a safe aggressive build for zvp! Please my mmr, she is very sick.
Hi Lambo, thanks for the build order guide. Do you think this BO would also be applicable in ZvP? Especially at Diamond/Low Master level there are still many cannon rushers, that would be the ideal counter to it, wouldn't it?
If you struggle with cannonrushes i think this is a very good built to do yes. Chance for an overreaction from protoss and not the worst start if nothing happens. Against toss i would recommend only making 2 lings however :)
I'm gold/plat Zerg on NA. I've done a 17/17/17 Gas/Pool/Hatch Ling Speed build in ZvZ for a while and it's been super effective, especially when I roll Zerg with Random. Something I don't understand is why not build Gas at 14 and put 2 in the gas some or all of the time. This reduces the impact of the inefficient 3rd gas worker. Or you could get 100 gas faster at the (temporary) expense of some minerals. I started by stating my league because I know Lambo and many other players out there in the comments are more knowledgeable and much faster than me. I'm just trying to understand.
Because you lose the extra mineral income too early, which slows down further timings like the extra drones, pool and hatchery. Feel free to test it yourself and compare it with my build to see if you can get a more efficient opener up to 2 minutes into the game :)
@LamboSC2 What I'm seeing is you can start Speed right when the Pool finishes at 1.36 if you 14 gas and put 2 workers in it. But then you have to delay your queen for a few seconds.
@@damedley75 Did you check the actual mineral counts, things like starting the 3rd hatch right away, and having all the drones spawn at the exact time is much more valuable than slightly earlier speed!
@@LamboSC2 I'm slowly working that out. I totally get that there are things more important than fast Speed. I'm not claiming to have THE ANSWER that all Zerg pros have somehow missed haha. Just trying to understand myself.
on high level (above 5k) i would say this is pretty bad against protoss, but i believe for anything below that it can be pretty good cause it's safe vs everything and can confuse the opponent. It will give you leads by protosses overreacting, but if a toss knows to just block your natural go stargate and ignore the gas he will be ahead.
@@LamboSC2 ty! they do tend to block the nat sometimes, but it's ok by me because it just feels so good taking gas first after going hatch pool gas forever. like a zerg forbidden pleasure. also they are not as keen on adept harass, which I tend to handle like a complete idiot, so that's good.
Considering your request for feed back, I think you are plenty great already, but maybe if you want to work on something, it should be your intro, they feel a little awkward and don't flow naturally
So excited to have you back at making videos! Just make sure you don’t get burned out. Quality over quantity.
One idea I have for you lambo is a pepega tuesday format where you go through a few viewer submitted replays of the same build (for example the build in this video) and you can give feedback on the different mistakes people make. This would give you an opportunity to explain the impact of their mistakes and what are the highest priority fixes to focus on improving. With all the viewers focusing on the same build, you can benchmark them against each other and show how big of an impact the lower league mistakes compare to the higher mmr viewers' executions
Thank you lambo! Been waiting for these to come back for ages I love your tutorials. These agressive builds are great in my mmr (D3) because so many people cannon rush/2 base all in/ etc.
Your explanations are extraordinarily clear and easily some of the best educational content on SC2. Thanks for your time!
Saw Serral play this recently and it looked so random - thanks for the explanation and the logic behind the ling timings
I've been playing the 5 roach build from free mmr friday for a while, whenever i wanted some initiative in zvt. It's great to get some more options because that build could feel kinda all-in. I'd love to see something similar for ZvZ and ZvP, low commitment non-standard openers which can give me some initative. This is the sc2 content ive been waiting for!
I think 12 pool in ZvP can do the trick, and you already have a video on it by lambo !
As usual your videos are so high quality with so much information I'm reaching for a notebook to keep up and learn everything. Will definately have to watch this several times, to pick up all the details. Would love for some of the build, maybe like the standard progress of the build to be accessible in an easy to read- format, then again I can always watch it again with my notebook xD
Thanks for a great vid!
Lambo my man it's great to have you back. Your tutorials have helped make me the diamond zerg that I am today. Peace brother!
"Now on lower level"
*I saw upatree do it*
Sal will never recover from this burn xD
love these videos breaking down builds and talking through the decision tree of how to respond to various things. You rock, thanks lambo!
Great to have your content back. I would like to have some similar ways of disrupting Protosses in the ZvP match-up. One of the free MMR ZvP builds I used in the past was the hatch tech queen walk, which doesn't work anymore due to the inability to transfuse off creep. But even small disruption to the protoss in the ZvP match-up, like you do here is already enough for me, as I can play the mid game but the longer ZvPs last the more frustrating they become, and having a little edge from the start is already great to have in (I do it in ZvT, and many times in ZvZ, as they don't expect a pool first build in ZvT, or a 17-17-17 in ZvZ, but lack something similar for ZvP).
So cool to see these educational videos back from You! Appreciate the work and efforts, we keep improving thanks to You! :)
heck yea glad to see you back. i been needing some well done tutorials.
Lambo, ty so much for actual builds in sc2. Ur channel is pretty much the best Zerg guides i have found. Im playing in diamond 1, hoping for master with ur help :P.
The most hard part was about queens. I get pretty much confused, when u skip time between 2:31/ 3:04.
But i rewatched it about 10 times and i get it eventually. Ty again so much for what u are doing
great guide, appreciate the depth, thank you
Nice guide! Glad to see you're posting again.
Just leaving a comment for the algorithm. Thanks for the content Lambo!
Edit: why is this not on LamboTV? Seems like educational content
There will be Educational Content on this Channel aswell, since that's my bread and butter. LamboTV will be for lower effort educational content without many edits, and Videos that didn't make the cut for the main Channel!
Love the content, Lambo. This helps me a lot!
thank you for the build/explanation.
must admit I haven't played gas first build against T for a long time.
Thank you Lambo. Us metal league zeroes need all the help we can get hahaha
So geil das du wieder yt videos machst ❤
VERY GLAD TO HAVE YOU BACK BRO there are very few zerg teachers you are the best
Sick Video thanks man
Oh my god. Best guide video ever. Can you do for other Zerg openings, safer ones, riskier ones, vs certain scout info, stuff like that? This was so well explained
So excited for the educational and analytical content, would love to see an all matchup roach guide
great video!
This video was exactly what I needed
Heck yeah, time to gloriously blunder my way around this build on ladder and eventually later torments some terrans with it.
Ty proff
Good to see you uploading again Lambo!
Welcome back Lambo!
finde es geil, wie detailliert du den Build beschreibst, aber was erwarte ich auch. Etwas klaut es schon den Vibe, dieses spontane "dronen" oder "lings" (bin halt auch nur dia3), allerdings ist das Timing auch verdammt früh. Bin gerne mal etwas vor der terranischen Defense in der Natural, macht ja auch Sinn zwecks Damage und Scouting und es ist zudem Macro, was die Planungssicherheit vergößert. Wird direkt geübt ;)
thanks for that Lambo !! :)
Good u are back 🔥
I'd love to see an advanced QLASH guide from you lambo, I just feel I'm not quite doing it right!
the funny thing is about lower level terrans just yolo-ing in their SCV: I tried the build a few times now and lower-level terrans (~3.8k MMR) walk into your base at the 1 minute mark or something. All that theory about stopping the scout goes out the window. Great build though, fun to play!
haha i didn't consider that.
The thing is that if somebody scouts that early they won't know if its a roach build or a normal lingspeed build anyways then, so there's a good chance they'll just overreact and you'll be far ahead!
@@LamboSC2 works like a charm and is my new favourite build against Terran right now! I just have to learn not to throw the late game lol
Finally my zerg germán Teacher is back and now I ill be able to reach másters 😊😊
cool, thanks lambo
I think this type of 17gas 17pool build is ideal when facing against random. Catches cheese, and doesn't put you that much back if they macro opener, and possibly gives you an opportunity to reactively all-in if you smell blood in the water.
Nice build Lambo, i think this should be called solid macro safe build, not so much "aggressive build" since there is no plan of attacking the enemy early on to do significant damage or win, making 4-10 lings in first 4-5 min or gameplay is very standard, and so is the ling harass at the oponent natural based on the reaper position. What i would call aggressive is ur 8 roach 1 rav oxide build.
Well, it is not common to harass this early on with zerglings. This is the only build with intention to inflict damage with lings on a high level, so there definitely is an agressive aspect to it.
It is less commited than the 9 roach opener for sure though.
I straight up won games against top players with the lingspeed attack aswell so damage is not uncommon :)
If you want to take the agression further, u can make the 2 drones after the 22 overlord into extra lings and one more pair after to make it 14 lings and try to catch the first two hellions with them.
Great guide. Helped me win many games.
loved the video! does this build work against Z and P as well? considering diamond and below
Awesome vid! What's the pro vs cons against the 17 pool 17 hatch 17 gas? Mainly slower speed I would imagine for a faster base
Great stuff thanks tons!!
nur für den algorithmus und danke :P
gracias,hermano
thanks for the great guide really appreciate it... BUT WHAT DO I DO AGAINST PROTOSS, I need a safe aggressive build for zvp! Please my mmr, she is very sick.
Hi Lambo, thanks for the build order guide. Do you think this BO would also be applicable in ZvP? Especially at Diamond/Low Master level there are still many cannon rushers, that would be the ideal counter to it, wouldn't it?
If you struggle with cannonrushes i think this is a very good built to do yes. Chance for an overreaction from protoss and not the worst start if nothing happens. Against toss i would recommend only making 2 lings however :)
I'm gold/plat Zerg on NA. I've done a 17/17/17 Gas/Pool/Hatch Ling Speed build in ZvZ for a while and it's been super effective, especially when I roll Zerg with Random. Something I don't understand is why not build Gas at 14 and put 2 in the gas some or all of the time. This reduces the impact of the inefficient 3rd gas worker. Or you could get 100 gas faster at the (temporary) expense of some minerals.
I started by stating my league because I know Lambo and many other players out there in the comments are more knowledgeable and much faster than me. I'm just trying to understand.
Because you lose the extra mineral income too early, which slows down further timings like the extra drones, pool and hatchery. Feel free to test it yourself and compare it with my build to see if you can get a more efficient opener up to 2 minutes into the game :)
@@LamboSC2 OK thanks for the response. I'll try it sometime.
@LamboSC2 What I'm seeing is you can start Speed right when the Pool finishes at 1.36 if you 14 gas and put 2 workers in it. But then you have to delay your queen for a few seconds.
@@damedley75 Did you check the actual mineral counts, things like starting the 3rd hatch right away, and having all the drones spawn at the exact time is much more valuable than slightly earlier speed!
@@LamboSC2 I'm slowly working that out. I totally get that there are things more important than fast Speed. I'm not claiming to have THE ANSWER that all Zerg pros have somehow missed haha. Just trying to understand myself.
Gold content !
Hi guys this build work in zvp too ?
How does this fare against protoss?
on high level (above 5k) i would say this is pretty bad against protoss, but i believe for anything below that it can be pretty good cause it's safe vs everything and can confuse the opponent. It will give you leads by protosses overreacting, but if a toss knows to just block your natural go stargate and ignore the gas he will be ahead.
@@LamboSC2 ty! they do tend to block the nat sometimes, but it's ok by me because it just feels so good taking gas first after going hatch pool gas forever. like a zerg forbidden pleasure. also they are not as keen on adept harass, which I tend to handle like a complete idiot, so that's good.
Considering your request for feed back, I think you are plenty great already, but maybe if you want to work on something, it should be your intro, they feel a little awkward and don't flow naturally
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