Nijisanji really f*cked over Selen, first by silencing her song on Christmas day which is vile. Her hospitalization soon after which was pretty suspicious. To her missing a niji x holo collab, to her going silent. Nijisanji will undoubtedly lose a lot more respectful especially the events that have occurred already.
@@kinglightning5256One 'last' time. It is like a vile villain knowing the protagonist is just almost dead but suck the rest of the protagonist power to make sure they are FULLY dead.
I realized that its even more fkd when a friend (thats what I heard Rpr was) couldnt contact her via Selen Tatsuki, but, if what I found is to be believed, she seems to be shadow-banned and she went back to create some art to sell so that she can get some income. Again, if what I found its correct, she got out of bed 2 weeks after the accident, and its living 1 day at a time, while playing some Apex to make the time go by. Tho, I believe she has been completely M.I.A. for about 3 weeks. In my eyes, she is either, shadow-banned or taking a break from the Niji management bs.
The fact that they specifically singled her out and banned her from hosting international tournaments leads me to believe that she’s dealing with targeted harassment from management. It would have been one thing to ban int’l tournaments as a whole but to specifically prevent her from doing so is a major issue and indicates that management has a problem with her specifically. All of this just gives off the vibe that they resent her for whatever unknown reason.
The moment she said she was banned from hosting all events, it was clear Niji was doing it just to harass her. It's almost clear at this point they probably do it to make her quit on her own rather than sacking her.
Oh look, there is the Nijisanji fanboy. Just for your information: The Copyright is on her! Not them! She paid for it, she put her voice, her talent everything into it. Nijisanjis only provide would be the model.
@@acmenipponairCorrection you are. If you don't know she got all the perms the Artists and everybody say ok. It got the green light to post then not even a few hours it got privated? Sorry but what? How did it go to that far to being published if there was a 'copyright' problem? That is BS.
I have a feeling that Selen will announce her graduation when she comes back one reason Nijisanji is extending her suspension in order to keep her hostage. This prevents her from making any moves but just a matter of time before she appears and announce her graduation.
Also depending on how long her contract with them is she could also wait it out and then out of nowhere a new indi may come out that sounds like a dragon but I don't know who
@lonelystrategos roughly a month though that was switching companies. Unless she already had that set up beforehand it would be longer. I'll guess if she didn't have it preped beforehand with a new model at least around 3 to 6 months at most if she has it preped or a temp model made already then around a month at my guess
@@lonelystrategosnon competes are usually unenforceable, so even if her contract says a year, they can't really do shit if she comes back the next day
Most people do not agree with the company but with the talents and sadly sometimes it has to go to defending the company where said talents work. Because without the company that character would not be. Talent behind yes, but not the character fans like and want to interact. I do hope people would write more complains to Anycolor as a company about their flaws instead of bashing people who enjoy Niji livers and want to support talents anyway possible.
I hate it when they use the phrase "fans aren't owed anything" .... while the company is still profiting from channel memberships and merch? Of course no need to go into her private life, but if niji is still profiting off her fans it feels dishonest to remain silent while still accepting the money.
it doesn't even make sense. Niji is the corporation. Selen is the Product. Us the consumers. The day corpos don't owe anything to their consumers, we are doomed. We only have good products because companies OWE them to their consumers.
the thing is yea fans aren't owed anything....but when a public figure disappears you do owe something, especially with people paying money every month; its like having a Netflix subscription then Netflix deadlines for a month. even just "she's ok and will comment when she's ready" i think many would appreciate that to at least ease genuine worry
Isn't is called "scum"? People paid for subscription and niji not allowed her to make content I said that because otherwise niji would informed people that it was her choice
I mean unless there is a legally binding statement and an army of lawyers on the behalf of her supporters, then yes they are entitled to but otherwise legal wise, people aren't owed anything. But like Rev Says, its the right thing to do.
@@aubreymorgan9763 As long as they want your money, they owe you a viable product and a smile...this isn't a 1-way transaction, and weak consumers need to shut off on thinking it is.
I love Taledo and his vids, but Selen's situation IS NOT like Gura's. The beginning of this "hiatus", her PL activity, how other livers don't even mention her with the exception of Pomu, and the lack of a real estatement fron Nijisanji raises too many questions. RPR HIMSELF, a friend of hers, wanted a response. As you said, Gura took a break from streaming but her presence was still known. Selen is basically MIA. Even me, who isn't a fan and has only seen her due to TSB collabs, is worrying. Taledo, that's NOT parasocialism, that is genuine concern.
The fact that Pomu is the only person who's mentioned her is a big red flag. Pomu was already leaving, so management couldn't effectively retaliate against her. I think that's the only real explanation I can think of for why no one else had mentioned Selen. Why else would everyone choose to be silent? Doesn't make any sense.
Not to mention that a freaking hiatus tends to be announced by whoever is taking it. The complete silence makes me certain tgis isn't a hiatus but she's veing punished internally for some reason and if thechospitilization was true they simply used it as a jumping off point.
I hope Selen is okay, she doesn't deserve this and combined with the recent graduation of Pomu she may be in a bad mental state. Of course this is just what we know from the outside as fans, but you get me. Edit: Selen just got terminated, and on her "real" account (Dokibird, both on YT and on Twitter, she's asked to spread the word) she's said "I was hospitalized for an attempt that was caused by a built up of bullying from within&being in a toxic&poor environment for numerous months that led to my breaking point." So it seems like our worries weren't far fetched.
I don't want it to be the worse but Nijisanji kinda has the reputation to disguise terminations as graduations. Or stabbing talents in the back. I didn't want to speak shit on Nijisanji as know a lot of Niji boot lickers might say how I am speculating or say I never watch Selen or Nijisanji and don't know what I am talking about. In fact I do and it is sad Selen is treated this way.
Looks like you got your hopes up after seeing vesper and magni situation also zaion situation as well you should get ready for the worst case scenario because a month with no update means a graduation or big termination coming.
@@lizlizbianrosethornswordpreeety sure Nijisanji burned too many bridges with the fans already. People were expecting Selen to move to another agency ever since the Cup of Coffee clip incident and were surprised Pomu graduated first.
As I stated before Dragoons prepare for the worse as at best she will stay with Nijisanji for a few more months. At worse she is terminated. Wanna know her alt? Dokibird. Just at this point if she actually left I don't blame her. Nijisanji is a sh*tshow at this point.
Also before someone says this disrespectful for showing selen other account like bro it's been a month of silence and when that long you haven't heard from a talent it means a graduation or termination is coming.
@@kinglightning5256 "it's disrespectful to talk about her PL!!" So mentioning her PL, specially after she said she was *opening commissions again after losing $15k,* in a comment section that isn't from her channel or related to Niji, is disrespectful? (Not arguing against you btw, just adding to what you said and what some other people yap about)
On her other account she updated that she got back into drawing and had friends supporting her. But that quickly went silent after about a week and a half.
@SockieTheSockPuppet no that was a post on her main account you're talking about. She has an old account where she posted about drawing and playing apex but hasn't posted since Jan 9th
Probably the most disgusting thing to see was rpr getting flak for trying to also chime in because he’s a friend. If these morons don’t want a friend to be concerned for another’s well being, they should just leave the internet because that is absolutely idiotic and clearly coming from people who have never even attempted to socialize.
Literally rpr is the only person who close to selen as we seen speak up on this no en members have mentioned selen or selen didn't get the opportunity to say goodbye to pomu. This why I hate nijisanji fans all they do is defend riku and en management I swear if a hololive talent was in this same situation hololive fans would send backlash to hololive staff.
@@Nephelis hes been in cross collabs with selen they should know but a niji defender will still attack because how dare he not see the company as a perfect god without flaws
Another comparison between Hololive and Kurosanji that could be made is Haachama's hiatus, holo's management announced that she would be stopping her streaming activities due to health issues and from time to time they announced updates on her status, haaton's didn't demand to know where haachama was because management kept posting communications. With selen we don't know a single thing about her whereabouts, not from her (not that she's obliged to) not from other talents (they aren't obliged either) and neither from management (they're the ones that should post anything regarding this situation)
this is 100% a theory, but this feels like the manager who was in charge of Zaion got put in charge of Selen. Selen seemed to be doing just fine until some time last year, when weird problems started popping up out of nowhere, and even other livers have acknowledged how weird some of the situations are. either way, with having almost a month of silence, it feels like a graduation letter could pop up any day now.
@@kinglightning5256I used to like Nijisanji management just like how I used to REALLY like Luca and Millie. Now? I don't even know. I don't even know which family/friendship in the company is actually genuine.
Because regardless of how many people seem to "hate" niji, people will still work for them. It's the same with every corporation. No large collective of people will stay away from a scummy company long enough for them to fall under, because the majority of people are stupid.
@@Crazy_Neopolitanindeed their favorite liver gets kicked in the face and falls silent they will stand in solidarity with the kick at the expense of the talent and become dumbfounded how it happened to their liver "surprised Pikachu" face
@Twilight-lq3co I feel like with millie and luca they said this is the best job they've worked in but the backlash isn't towards the talents but the management and they just completely ignore the negative things management does. As for the friendship part, idk the nijisanji talents was so fast to let go of zaion and even some of them diss her response and also said she gaslighted them. Like imgaine being zaion you were a big help to your xsoleil members for there debuts and when made a little mistake none of them was there to defend you and most of them said it was zaion fault that why she was terminated. Also before someone comes yes zaion made mistakes but the mistakes she made were manageable mistakes and small ones besides her r joke which should been a week or 2 suspension and made zaion apologize which she was willing to do.
Now look I'm not sure why nijisanji management is delaying selen termination or graduation but it highly looks like she is not going to stream again as selen. But i know one thing for sure if nijisanji en handles this like zaion termination nijisanji en is done and before a nijisanji fan says nijisanji is not going to be done I'm not talking about jp branch or the one's in billbill I'm talking about en branch. Nijisanji reputation is already really bad in the Western audience and we don't take millie or luca words seriously. If selen gets terminated the backlash is going to be so big to the point it won't matter what another en talent says.
Like oh we will pretend as if the 15,000 she wasted on the Cover is charity to Nijisanji letting them do more things. Or oh oh how Nijisanji 'saved' Selen's money because they stopped her from using her own money to organise events. Or even say abuse Nijisanji gave Selen? Must be your imagination. Where is your evidence?
Like I seriously don't know how you can defend nijisanji especially how they been treating especially letting her waste 15k. Selen a better person than me because if management made me waste 15k I would have been terminated that day.
I'm a big Dragoon and this situation is scaring me to no end. I really hope Selen is okay man. Nijisanji doesn't deserve Selen. She works so frickin hard but Nijisanji likes to always target her for some reason. If Selen decides to graduates, I won't blame her. Wherever she possibly goes, I hope they treat her better than Nijisanji. Sorry for the ramble on rant but this upsets me man :(
i hope nothing bad has happened to selen. im not a dragoon, nor am i a fan of any nijisanji member (more of a phase connect/vshojo fan), but this really is starting to stink. while i hope nijisanji actually responds, i don't think they will till selen comes back or something. the only thing i hope never happens but this is starting to look like it, is possibly a murder of a talent member by nijisanji management. i mean come on, a pattern of arguments with selen, canceling and privating her MV, canceling her international tourment? maybe they finally had enough with her, but were too scared to fire her. hince the first hospital visit. accident? no. selen probably didn't have enough evidence but i imagine there was a attempted murder. and the second attempt hit on the mark. so now that selens fans are asking whats up with selen, is she okay, etc, they are probably scrambling rn. after all, management has a motive, and the ability to do so. but at this point, its speculation, and again i hope she really isn't murdered, and it would be a new low for nijisanji, and lead to mass graduations.
@@Zeakthecat I think you went a little bit too far in your assumptions... You're free to think whatever you want but you should be discreet when stating things like '' attempted murder '' because that leads to unfounded speculation. Just keep it under the rug, it's better that way.
@@weltal001i do like to speak my mind, and there is way to much suspicious events leading up to selens disappearence from the internet. it isn't unfounded speculation when dealing with the totality of the circumstances, and the facts we have currently. what are the chances she has a accident, mere days after nijisanji privated her "the last coffee" MV? or the fact theres a rough relationship between management and selen? and the fact she was released from the hospital then she disappeared from the internet entirely, with 0 word from management or selen in a month? i wouldn't say its unfounded, considering she actually had to fight "tooth and nail" to get the winners of a contest she hosted prize money months ago. unfounded? nah bro. is it speculation? yes. but to tone it down as "unfounded" is not being genuine. lets just hope she comes back on and tells everyone that she had to have a sudden mental health hitatus, till that hope is reached, i'd recommend keeping a eye on the japanese police radios for selens body. it could be suicide, or it could be murder. whatever it is, it don't look good for nijisanji, and lets hope they come out with a press release soon.
@@kidrobot. I think he means the overall structure like having streamers that are their favorites and get treated better. And things like first saying something is ok, then it's not ok. Lying, manipulation, like secret shadow banning, making their talents put out false statements, low empathy for their talents. Expecting good results without giving proper support. Stuff like that I think.
Selen deserves so much better. She is so supportive towards her community. But every time she wants to do something for them, management feels the need to put the kabash on the whole thing. I just hope she's okay.
Knowing Nijisanji, they probably simply forgot to post her termination notice 🗿 Jokes aside I really hope she’s okay, termination or not. It must be really rough for her, so let’s support her in whatever way we can.
Selen has had to beg for rent money on her throne page. Just like Niji has done to Gundou and Zaion, they are trying to wring them dry for as long as possible like your average black company.
Even a barely competent PR person will tell you complete radio silence is a major no-no when you have people upset with your business. Unfortunately, most management types can't fight the cowardly instinct to run & hide & hope it all blows over eventually.
If Selen comes out okay, she needs to realize she’s got the shortest stick that was maliciously handpicked, by management and their dogmatic simps, and leave them all behind. But Pomu who recently graduated, they can’t risk a faster domino effect that’ll slam their other golden eggs.
It will hurt them way more if they just force her to wait for her current contract to expire (At best it is post March to June-July as the window) than break a deal, pay her a golden parachute to make a graduation in affable terms, and both sides leave at that. Or they can do what Wahktor does worst and pull a Zaion. Or just have the contract end, with a clearly pissed off Selen, who will go fucking loudspeaker on public square (Social Medias) to denounce their BS treatment of her with no censorship at all. They better find the willingness of pay off her for all the troubles so she leaves withoutt having it a scandal than just delay the even worse PR nightmare drama
Selen's latest interaction with the internet as far as I can tell was on January 9th, but it was using an old account not controlled by nijisanji. This means that she is definitely online, definitely using her computer, but simply NOT ALLOWED to communicate on her official account. She would update the community if she was allowed to, but that rancid company is not allowing her to do so. However, all communication stopped after the 9th with no further communication. Her final messages were saying people should donate to charities instead of her, saying she received some packages from fans and felt spoiled by it, and her last tweet is saying her dog came to cuddle up with her and he always seems to know when she needs it. Then nothing.
Imagine thinking it is too much to ask that she is even alive. She's been radio silent on all platforms for almost a month and didn't leave on the best terms (hospitalized for "unknown" reasons).
They just deleted EVERYTHING on her channel the same day they annoucned her termination. Nijisanji is such a shit company. They fucked HER over and after SHE retaliated they fire her for damaging their reputation.
I'd say she and management are negotiating contract termination. That she doesn't want to budge on some demands while they aren't willing to fulfill them.
Assuming this is the case then just blindly guessing my gut says they are fighting over a non-compete clause. If Selen terminates early she will likely want to join another company soonish while Niji in all their black company glory would likely want nothing more than barring her from working with another VTuber agency for multiple years
@@neshura Yeah, they reaaaally have it in for her. Like wow. I've rarely seen a place be so dead set on nipping at her that they willingly hurt their own image, events and products.
Also Gura told people she was doing the hiatus , and also people are asking management , NOT Selen , because if she is resting people dont wanna bother her , but mangement.... screw Kurosanji.
@KyhronLuna I think someone there has a vendetta against her. You can only screw up so many times as management and yell incompetence before it comes across as someone is doing it on purpose. She went to the hospital and nobody can convince me that management and nijisanji was the cause of it
@@Thefess people starting to doubt the hospital thing was even real. Why didn't she show the date on the bracelet? Is it because it's an old photo or something along those lines.
The weirdest thing is how management is behaving. I've worked in various companies before, these are the clear signs of someone being singled out by management. Someone up top does not like Selen and is taking steps to keep her quiet.
This, it's horrifying and it pains me to think that other non-indie vtubers COULD suffer like Selen is right now. The whole vtubing world seems like it's in chaos.
its ccp style power struggle. they will force the narration the have power, and prevent amy talent for rise. nijisanji have good relation with china. also so many legal orruption on china like tofu building, electric motorcycle, and donation laundering.
I can say that she has been playing apex on her pl account as recent as today, if your a apex player you should know how to do this. Imo she's just been suspended. I'm just mentioning this to show she seems ok enough to hit masters. But it's a very big bummer that niji is like this. I'll be waiting for her return.
When I disappeared from Facebook for 4 years people thought I died... Like I just didn't log on FB, not like I stopped uploading content in various places or talking to people in other ways. But people thought I died because I didn't log on Facebook specifically lol.
As someone who watches VTuber occasionally (no permanent talent, just across the board) - I think the fan base's reaction is more than justified. Why? In contrast to other models in the entertainment industry, VTubing relies heavily on working with a fixed base from which you then expand upwards. But it is the core of the fans that sustains the talent - financially as well as mentally. Especially at the beginning of their careers, talents bond by naming their own fans, mentioning the importance of the fans and "proudly" competing or comparing character traits of their fans with those of other talents. There is always emphasis on a close bond with the talent in a “family” environment. (Naming the fanbase is an extremely binding factor between talent and fanbase - like a shared name) This togetherness is rather unique in the industry when it comes to VTubing. No comedian, actor or singer does this. Neither do athletes. This makes the behavior of fans in the event of failures, injuries, cancellations, etc. completely understandable. “Family” is worried in a different way. Requesting information is therefore completely logical. It would even be more desirable if the so-called “voices of reason” took this factor into account. Personally, I wish Selen a speedy recovery, a great start into the new year and better luck with her projects. Whether she does this with AC or another partner doesn't matter. She has extreme talent in front of and off the camera and enough charm to leave a lasting impression in the industry for years to come.
Actually, I think fans _are_ entitled or owed something, especially those who pay for memberships. Now, they can go too far, like in Gura's case, because they _knew_ why she wasn't streaming much and still complained, but we got no update from Selen in over a month, and I think it's reasonable for fans to ask for any update of any kind, or even an ETA when she'll be back. This radio silence is highly suspicious and is fuel for speculation. It doesn't help that her last two posts aren't exactly reassuring, either.
This is unironically the part of the "true crime" documentary when the silence of someone sets off major red flags. God, I hope it doesn't end up that way............
When's the D0xx-kuh-tah incidents coming? When that happens, least i would worry is the Nijibutahs trying to protect their Nijioverlords, only to get Proximity fuse d00xx FlaK themselves
Citing medical issues for an idol/talent company in japan is pretty much the automatic tactic for hiding serious talent-management disputes. This is well backed up by history. So its almost always bullshit. Its like the politician that got caught with a dead girl or a live boy saying he's resigning to "Spend more time with his family". Its a trope. Nuke nijisanji from orbit. its the only way to be sure. Looking forward to pomu joining hololive EN as a individual talent like Azki or Irys.
If anything, I think it's BECAUSE Niji's reputation has been going down the shitter lately that people are as concerned as they are. If they have a much cleaner rap-sheet maybe are more willing to give a benefit of the doubt and silently wait but that is simply not the reality that this company has allowed Selen's fans to live in
she's likely gonna stay mia for a while longer then a sudden graduation announcement or perhaps, even termination. niji would want to delay it from pomu's graduation since 2 talents leaving at once looks worse. that's just my guess anyway.
Nijisanji will speak up soon enough when their investors (if they even exist) realize what the audience is like and over the fact that they're treating their members badly, even their golden child. With Pomu gone, NijiEN is on the ropes. If Selen leaves too, which i can see it happen soon, the whole branch will begin collapsing. The more things go, the more likely a certain yacht might start sinking. Update: Selen is gone, things are indeed collapsing...
Yea, we shouldn't be surprised once we hear the grad/termination announcement and soon. If Selen was still recovering, she, her coworkers, and management would mention it. Instead it's been absolutely radio silent giving out such huge red flags.
I just feel AWFUL for Selen... She deserves so much better than this. Nijisanji absolutely SUCKS at their fucking management these days as they just don't give a shit about any of their talents, and continues to treat them like tools instead of real people. I totally don't blame Selen on wanting to graduate at some point as they have just treated her extremely shitty since last year. I feel like Selen MIGHT be going over targeted harassment from management at this point given how often they've been screwing her over recently. Let's hope she's doing okay, and HOPEFULLY we'll hear something about her in February. 🙏
Can a lawyer or someone who's well versed in Japanese law tell us, can Selen can sue them? This is straight up sabotage against her career by management
I'm certain their conspiring against her staging the accident hoping to get her to leave or be "gone". I'm positive they value obedience over profit, just like their precious China.
I'm a Hololive fan and I dont watch much Nijisanji but man Nijisanji is screwing over all their talents. I bet within the next 2yrs or so give or take NijiEN branch will be gone or their will be very little members left. Its so very sad I hope Selen comes back and I hope Pomu finds a better place to continue her work
Selen should honestly just leave Nijisanji at this point. Leave and either pop up in VShojo or Hololive instead. She also needs to be the one to break character and openly admit when she does jump the Niji Yacht that she used to be Selen and that she's alright.
Doubt it would fly in Hololive. In Vshojo it would be possible, though i don't know if Gunrun and co have the assets to wage one heck of a massive Legal Battle against Niji/Anycolor. Chances are that having a JP set of talents would have them be attacked under Perjury/Defamation laws (Because in Japan you can sue people for "Staining your Honor" and win) just to he pricks and attack any corpo she joins
Or Hololive With Mama Roach and Brother Kuro in VSohjo? Add Henya for Pomu and I half expect Mint Mait to redebue as a VSohjo Member She has no past life but Mika is suspected of hanging with Mama Roach in Japan I offhand forget Selen old vTuber name😏
@@andrehashimoto8056 Nope, they won't have grounds to sue vshojo no matter what their talents say. Any disputes only possible directly with person in question, and it gets tricky with both local and international laws (JP laws are completely irrelevant there). Most niji can do against vshojo as a whole is to ban collabs, which are already on a "once in a blue moon" schedule.
That doesn't fly well and dtto is a perfect example how to not graduate. Now no agency will pick her up, the best she can do is be a streamer for an esports team.
At this point I don't care if she returns to streaming or exits the company. All that I want to know is whether or not she still exists and, if so, if she's doing/going to be doing something that makes her happy.
I wouldn't blame her for simply walking away from it all, if the rumors are true bout her getting soft suspended by niji and not even allowing her call in during Pomu's graduation. It was telling when she used her old account to stress post bout blowing big money on a certain MV. Niji is a black company and it shows.
Likely suspended... Management from hell.... Too controlling... What if that was Taylor Swift where every move she makes has to be okayed by management like attending a ball game.😮
How are these big agencies still held in such a high regard after all the shady crap they’ve done to their talents Do people really have such short memories?
@@deathcamz389 I think they did their best to defend coco, but had to decide the termination/graduation because it was too much?? (I wasn't there at the time so I'm just stating my beliefs from other videos)
@@Diesel-w5hachama got stealth suspension for almost a year, don't believe anything these jp agencies say. I read another popular suspicion that it's likely jp branches being jealous due to en doing better than them. They all need to leave and join a western agency like vshoujo that'll treat them fairly.
Edit 1: Changed comma to apostrophe because I was tired when I made this comment. Edit 2: Apparently this has been debunked, but I’ll leave this comment up so people can see just how worried people were to the point they would notice something so small. Someone on 4Chan noticed that Selen's hospital posts are done with straight apostrophes, whereas all of her previous tweets are done with curved apostrophes. This is leading some to think it isn't even her posting/writing these tweets, but someone else in Niji.
That’s already been debunked, though. Selen could have been on her phone when making those tweets, which is why the apostrophe looks different. There’s even images that show the same thing occurring on tweets prior to her disappearance.
The whole "fans are not entitled to know anything" bit seems very misguided. People are not demanding content, they're worried for Selen because she made a trip to the hospital. Isn't it normal to worry about people you care for when they go to the hospital?? The heck?? Alas, I'm not big on Niji, I mostly watch Scarle, but it seems Selen is one of the most hard working ones, in terms of creating content that engages her audience. And the numbers seems to show it's a good thing. So I have to wonder why it seems Niji targets her so much. Either management is utterly incompetent or malicious to let that xmas music being greenlit, recorded, produced, mixed, mastered and then released, only to fumble some permission after the thing went live. And as the saying goes, one time is an event, two times is a coincidence, three times is enemy action. I just hope Selen is in good health, mental and physical, but if I was in her place and considering Pomu's leave, I would too weight on leaving Niji for greener pastures. She's clearly capable of creating content on her own, so perhaps she's best fit for the indie scene.
Of course fans are not obligated to anything. But, as a fellow content creator, even though a small one, I know the fear of losing audience. When you go for a break, you still do content - break related. You talk to your audience. You sick, tired, mad - everything is content, that's how it works. To me it looks like she is forcibly silenced. And people have their right to worry. It's not "parasocial" to ask what is going on and receive an answer - hell, people would calm their tits if there would be an answer. And the absence of contact, either from Niji or Selen herself will only fan the fire.
Nijisanji from what I see now shows something worth tearing down. What is it that company not caring for it's clients like they own their life its a twisted thought
Maybe it's an opportunity for Selen, to think if she wants to continue vtubing, if so, if she wants to continue working for nijisanji as vtuber, or graduate and find either other company or go indie. I'm not sure it's worth staying in niji in particular with how niji keeps limiting her, even throwing her hard work to the garbage (her adorable cover song). If she decides to continue vtubing outside of niji, I'll be sure to follow her, she's a fun gal for sure.
I did my part and spammed their lastest Twitter posts with the hashtag earlier, and intend to do so for the next week daily until a decent response is given
i'm wondering if it is truly more too, she hasn't been posting on her personal account at all recently, the last post was Jan 6th. Hope she is doing okay aside from all of the Niji Drama
Guys pls, Nijisanji is only allowing one graduation per month to limit how fast they can hemorrhage members. Pomu sniped the January time slot, so we have to wait a few more days for the February Nijisanji graduation announcement. Have patience.
While the whole situation was (and still is) very strange and very worrysome, it's not only Nijisanji's silence and overall behaivor towards Selen that riles up the community and raises serious questions. It is also that weird, condescending and borderline toxic tone that we can see in that Wildnexus thread. I don't understand how asking for clarification, even in a simple typical corpo response to the community can be considered intrusive, demanding or disrespectful in any matter. People like this promote mentality that allowes companies to do stuff like Niji did to Selen and get away with it. That's not even white knighting or forced positivity, it's worse than that.They even trying to imply that this somehow will deter Selen's recovery! Sure, we are not OWED many things, at least not more than typical cstumers, but to say that Dragoons are somehow in the wrong for asking what's going on is simply irrational. Nobody expects to get personal info or even concrete numbers, just explain whats going on
Niji is a horrible company and they have treated Selen like absolute garbage. I feel bad for the girl, no one who puts as much love into their work as she does and brings in her kind of numbers should be constantly fucked over by the people that are supposed to be helping build her up.
Nijisanji really f*cked over Selen, first by silencing her song on Christmas day which is vile. Her hospitalization soon after which was pretty suspicious. To her missing a niji x holo collab, to her going silent. Nijisanji will undoubtedly lose a lot more respectful especially the events that have occurred already.
But don't worry! A ton of Nijisanji boot lickers will keep sucking their behind and support JP a lot to keep them happy lol
Also I believe they released a selen voice pack or something it definitely feels like they trying to get something off selen name one more time.
@@kinglightning5256One 'last' time. It is like a vile villain knowing the protagonist is just almost dead but suck the rest of the protagonist power to make sure they are FULLY dead.
I realized that its even more fkd when a friend (thats what I heard Rpr was) couldnt contact her via Selen Tatsuki, but, if what I found is to be believed, she seems to be shadow-banned and she went back to create some art to sell so that she can get some income.
Again, if what I found its correct, she got out of bed 2 weeks after the accident, and its living 1 day at a time, while playing some Apex to make the time go by.
Tho, I believe she has been completely M.I.A. for about 3 weeks.
In my eyes, she is either, shadow-banned or taking a break from the Niji management bs.
@@kinglightning5256 One Last -Cup of Coffee- Milk
The fact that they specifically singled her out and banned her from hosting international tournaments leads me to believe that she’s dealing with targeted harassment from management. It would have been one thing to ban int’l tournaments as a whole but to specifically prevent her from doing so is a major issue and indicates that management has a problem with her specifically. All of this just gives off the vibe that they resent her for whatever unknown reason.
"she’s dealing with targeted harassment from management"
Guess why the person behind Luna quit from NijiJP before join Holo.
@SenseiRaisen Or Pomu, or Nina, Or Zaion, Or, Or, or
The moment she said she was banned from hosting all events, it was clear Niji was doing it just to harass her. It's almost clear at this point they probably do it to make her quit on her own rather than sacking her.
@@MadManwithaSpoon agree
@@SenseiRaisenWasn't that mainly because she was bullied by Sasaki?
Imagine getting shadowbanned because of doing your job PROPERLY
Correction. For 'going against the company'. The action of asking fans to reupload the cover after her cover got privated by Nijisanji.
Oh look, there is the Nijisanji fanboy. Just for your information: The Copyright is on her! Not them! She paid for it, she put her voice, her talent everything into it. Nijisanjis only provide would be the model.
@@acmenipponairCorrection you are. If you don't know she got all the perms the Artists and everybody say ok. It got the green light to post then not even a few hours it got privated? Sorry but what? How did it go to that far to being published if there was a 'copyright' problem? That is BS.
@@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPack she asked for all the perms even approaching the artist and producers herself
@@acmenipponair That's not true at all. Selen don't ow nanything she does, everything is owned by the company, thats how jp contracts works.
I have a feeling that Selen will announce her graduation when she comes back one reason Nijisanji is extending her suspension in order to keep her hostage. This prevents her from making any moves but just a matter of time before she appears and announce her graduation.
Also depending on how long her contract with them is she could also wait it out and then out of nowhere a new indi may come out that sounds like a dragon but I don't know who
@@insidechaos4913 How long after Mysta graduated did Kuro debut? Could be used to gauge the duration of the non-compete clause in the contract.
@@lonelystrategosAbout a month after
@lonelystrategos roughly a month though that was switching companies. Unless she already had that set up beforehand it would be longer. I'll guess if she didn't have it preped beforehand with a new model at least around 3 to 6 months at most if she has it preped or a temp model made already then around a month at my guess
@@lonelystrategosnon competes are usually unenforceable, so even if her contract says a year, they can't really do shit if she comes back the next day
And people will continue to defend the company like their lives depend on.
You should always support the talents over the agency and also the killing part nijisanji en management should not getting defend.
Of then completely shocked when it happens again in the same way
@@kinglightning5256And about 50% of the community be like. "How dare you speak about our best boy Riku Tazumi and his management like that?! Riot!"
@@lizlizbianrosethornsword "How will he afford another boat if he treats the talents well?"
Most people do not agree with the company but with the talents and sadly sometimes it has to go to defending the company where said talents work. Because without the company that character would not be. Talent behind yes, but not the character fans like and want to interact. I do hope people would write more complains to Anycolor as a company about their flaws instead of bashing people who enjoy Niji livers and want to support talents anyway possible.
I hate it when they use the phrase "fans aren't owed anything" .... while the company is still profiting from channel memberships and merch? Of course no need to go into her private life, but if niji is still profiting off her fans it feels dishonest to remain silent while still accepting the money.
it doesn't even make sense.
Niji is the corporation. Selen is the Product. Us the consumers. The day corpos don't owe anything to their consumers, we are doomed.
We only have good products because companies OWE them to their consumers.
the thing is yea fans aren't owed anything....but when a public figure disappears you do owe something, especially with people paying money every month; its like having a Netflix subscription then Netflix deadlines for a month. even just "she's ok and will comment when she's ready" i think many would appreciate that to at least ease genuine worry
Isn't is called "scum"?
People paid for subscription and niji not allowed her to make content
I said that because otherwise niji would informed people that it was her choice
I mean unless there is a legally binding statement and an army of lawyers on the behalf of her supporters, then yes they are entitled to but otherwise legal wise, people aren't owed anything. But like Rev Says, its the right thing to do.
@@aubreymorgan9763 As long as they want your money, they owe you a viable product and a smile...this isn't a 1-way transaction, and weak consumers need to shut off on thinking it is.
I love Taledo and his vids, but Selen's situation IS NOT like Gura's. The beginning of this "hiatus", her PL activity, how other livers don't even mention her with the exception of Pomu, and the lack of a real estatement fron Nijisanji raises too many questions. RPR HIMSELF, a friend of hers, wanted a response.
As you said, Gura took a break from streaming but her presence was still known. Selen is basically MIA. Even me, who isn't a fan and has only seen her due to TSB collabs, is worrying.
Taledo, that's NOT parasocialism, that is genuine concern.
wouldn't surprise me if someone ends up suing nijisanji over it.
The fact that Pomu is the only person who's mentioned her is a big red flag. Pomu was already leaving, so management couldn't effectively retaliate against her. I think that's the only real explanation I can think of for why no one else had mentioned Selen. Why else would everyone choose to be silent? Doesn't make any sense.
she's still active on her other account
@@jason2894 Her last two tweets were on the 9th. That's more than three weeks.
Not to mention that a freaking hiatus tends to be announced by whoever is taking it. The complete silence makes me certain tgis isn't a hiatus but she's veing punished internally for some reason and if thechospitilization was true they simply used it as a jumping off point.
I hope Selen is okay, she doesn't deserve this and combined with the recent graduation of Pomu she may be in a bad mental state. Of course this is just what we know from the outside as fans, but you get me.
Edit: Selen just got terminated, and on her "real" account (Dokibird, both on YT and on Twitter, she's asked to spread the word) she's said "I was hospitalized for an attempt that was caused by a built up of bullying from within&being in a toxic&poor environment for numerous months that led to my breaking point." So it seems like our worries weren't far fetched.
I don't want it to be the worse but Nijisanji kinda has the reputation to disguise terminations as graduations. Or stabbing talents in the back. I didn't want to speak shit on Nijisanji as know a lot of Niji boot lickers might say how I am speculating or say I never watch Selen or Nijisanji and don't know what I am talking about. In fact I do and it is sad Selen is treated this way.
Looks like you got your hopes up after seeing vesper and magni situation also zaion situation as well you should get ready for the worst case scenario because a month with no update means a graduation or big termination coming.
She deserves to gtfo from there that's for sure
@@kinglightning5256this what they did to yugo/zaion
@@lizlizbianrosethornswordpreeety sure Nijisanji burned too many bridges with the fans already. People were expecting Selen to move to another agency ever since the Cup of Coffee clip incident and were surprised Pomu graduated first.
As I stated before Dragoons prepare for the worse as at best she will stay with Nijisanji for a few more months. At worse she is terminated. Wanna know her alt? Dokibird. Just at this point if she actually left I don't blame her. Nijisanji is a sh*tshow at this point.
Also before someone says this disrespectful for showing selen other account like bro it's been a month of silence and when that long you haven't heard from a talent it means a graduation or termination is coming.
@@kinglightning5256 "it's disrespectful to talk about her PL!!" So mentioning her PL, specially after she said she was *opening commissions again after losing $15k,* in a comment section that isn't from her channel or related to Niji, is disrespectful?
(Not arguing against you btw, just adding to what you said and what some other people yap about)
thx, will be sure to keep tabs and support, poor lass getting this effed over.
Nijisanji is a shitshow at this point, meanwhile the actual nijisanji in japan just had one of the best years in its history lol at last use nijien.
Last tweeets hints that she left already and don't expect any money from niji anymore.
On her other account she updated that she got back into drawing and had friends supporting her. But that quickly went silent after about a week and a half.
Is that when she said that she had finally got ahold of her phone (which means someone else has it)?
@SockieTheSockPuppet no that was a post on her main account you're talking about. She has an old account where she posted about drawing and playing apex but hasn't posted since Jan 9th
@@aerostorm_ Ah.
mind giving me hints on her other accounts?? just to show support
@@l4w1nc0l7dokibird
Selen deserves better. Leaving that trash company sounds like the next most likely thing to happen.
Too bad she can't keep her old design in vshoujo.
Probably the most disgusting thing to see was rpr getting flak for trying to also chime in because he’s a friend. If these morons don’t want a friend to be concerned for another’s well being, they should just leave the internet because that is absolutely idiotic and clearly coming from people who have never even attempted to socialize.
Especially when he just wants to if shes ok/returning as someone whose pretty active in her tournaments/collabs clearly has concerns
Literally rpr is the only person who close to selen as we seen speak up on this no en members have mentioned selen or selen didn't get the opportunity to say goodbye to pomu. This why I hate nijisanji fans all they do is defend riku and en management I swear if a hololive talent was in this same situation hololive fans would send backlash to hololive staff.
I'm sure the people judging him didn't know he's Selen's friend. Not like it makes it better, niji defenders are terrible.
@@Nephelis hes been in cross collabs with selen they should know but a niji defender will still attack because how dare he not see the company as a perfect god without flaws
@@Nephelis if you people actually looked at the person, they dont even watch nijien.
Another comparison between Hololive and Kurosanji that could be made is Haachama's hiatus, holo's management announced that she would be stopping her streaming activities due to health issues and from time to time they announced updates on her status, haaton's didn't demand to know where haachama was because management kept posting communications.
With selen we don't know a single thing about her whereabouts, not from her (not that she's obliged to) not from other talents (they aren't obliged either) and neither from management (they're the ones that should post anything regarding this situation)
Even within Nijisanji you've got someone like Maimoto who is on an indefinite hiatus, but they kinda just let Selen hanging in limbo.
Didn't Hololive also gave stuff to Haachamas channel members, at the time she was on break?
this is 100% a theory, but this feels like the manager who was in charge of Zaion got put in charge of Selen. Selen seemed to be doing just fine until some time last year, when weird problems started popping up out of nowhere, and even other livers have acknowledged how weird some of the situations are.
either way, with having almost a month of silence, it feels like a graduation letter could pop up any day now.
someone is about to have one HELL of a wake up morning and a lot of content
Why does nijisanji seem to hate every one of their talents? It doesn't really make sense, as they're the ones making the money for them.
Oh don't worry they love luca and millie I mean they are the only ones that will defend nijisanji en like the nijisanji fans do.
@@kinglightning5256I used to like Nijisanji management just like how I used to REALLY like Luca and Millie. Now? I don't even know. I don't even know which family/friendship in the company is actually genuine.
Because regardless of how many people seem to "hate" niji, people will still work for them. It's the same with every corporation. No large collective of people will stay away from a scummy company long enough for them to fall under, because the majority of people are stupid.
@@Crazy_Neopolitanindeed their favorite liver gets kicked in the face and falls silent they will stand in solidarity with the kick at the expense of the talent and become dumbfounded how it happened to their liver "surprised Pikachu" face
@Twilight-lq3co I feel like with millie and luca they said this is the best job they've worked in but the backlash isn't towards the talents but the management and they just completely ignore the negative things management does. As for the friendship part, idk the nijisanji talents was so fast to let go of zaion and even some of them diss her response and also said she gaslighted them. Like imgaine being zaion you were a big help to your xsoleil members for there debuts and when made a little mistake none of them was there to defend you and most of them said it was zaion fault that why she was terminated. Also before someone comes yes zaion made mistakes but the mistakes she made were manageable mistakes and small ones besides her r joke which should been a week or 2 suspension and made zaion apologize which she was willing to do.
Now look I'm not sure why nijisanji management is delaying selen termination or graduation but it highly looks like she is not going to stream again as selen. But i know one thing for sure if nijisanji en handles this like zaion termination nijisanji en is done and before a nijisanji fan says nijisanji is not going to be done I'm not talking about jp branch or the one's in billbill I'm talking about en branch. Nijisanji reputation is already really bad in the Western audience and we don't take millie or luca words seriously. If selen gets terminated the backlash is going to be so big to the point it won't matter what another en talent says.
Don't worry, the Nijisanji Defense Force _(they do it for free)_ will still find a way to spin this as a positive thing.
Like oh we will pretend as if the 15,000 she wasted on the Cover is charity to Nijisanji letting them do more things. Or oh oh how Nijisanji 'saved' Selen's money because they stopped her from using her own money to organise events. Or even say abuse Nijisanji gave Selen? Must be your imagination. Where is your evidence?
@@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPackLOL that is exactly what a Niji defender would say you got it super accurate haha
Like I seriously don't know how you can defend nijisanji especially how they been treating especially letting her waste 15k. Selen a better person than me because if management made me waste 15k I would have been terminated that day.
@holypokemondefender3368 found a bootlicker
@@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPackindeed then when it happens again in a similar fashion are completely dumbfounded but how at least we other livers to watch
I'm a big Dragoon and this situation is scaring me to no end. I really hope Selen is okay man. Nijisanji doesn't deserve Selen. She works so frickin hard but Nijisanji likes to always target her for some reason. If Selen decides to graduates, I won't blame her. Wherever she possibly goes, I hope they treat her better than Nijisanji.
Sorry for the ramble on rant but this upsets me man :(
I'm not a Dragoon, i never watch any Vtubers streams, but at this point i'm just worried about another human's well being.
i hope nothing bad has happened to selen. im not a dragoon, nor am i a fan of any nijisanji member (more of a phase connect/vshojo fan), but this really is starting to stink. while i hope nijisanji actually responds, i don't think they will till selen comes back or something.
the only thing i hope never happens but this is starting to look like it, is possibly a murder of a talent member by nijisanji management. i mean come on, a pattern of arguments with selen, canceling and privating her MV, canceling her international tourment? maybe they finally had enough with her, but were too scared to fire her. hince the first hospital visit. accident? no. selen probably didn't have enough evidence but i imagine there was a attempted murder. and the second attempt hit on the mark.
so now that selens fans are asking whats up with selen, is she okay, etc, they are probably scrambling rn.
after all, management has a motive, and the ability to do so.
but at this point, its speculation, and again i hope she really isn't murdered, and it would be a new low for nijisanji, and lead to mass graduations.
@@Zeakthecat I think you went a little bit too far in your assumptions... You're free to think whatever you want but you should be discreet when stating things like '' attempted murder '' because that leads to unfounded speculation. Just keep it under the rug, it's better that way.
@@weltal001i do like to speak my mind, and there is way to much suspicious events leading up to selens disappearence from the internet.
it isn't unfounded speculation when dealing with the totality of the circumstances, and the facts we have currently.
what are the chances she has a accident, mere days after nijisanji privated her "the last coffee" MV? or the fact theres a rough relationship between management and selen? and the fact she was released from the hospital then she disappeared from the internet entirely, with 0 word from management or selen in a month?
i wouldn't say its unfounded, considering she actually had to fight "tooth and nail" to get the winners of a contest she hosted prize money months ago.
unfounded? nah bro. is it speculation? yes. but to tone it down as "unfounded" is not being genuine. lets just hope she comes back on and tells everyone that she had to have a sudden mental health hitatus, till that hope is reached, i'd recommend keeping a eye on the japanese police radios for selens body. it could be suicide, or it could be murder.
whatever it is, it don't look good for nijisanji, and lets hope they come out with a press release soon.
@@Zeakthecattake meds
Niji management seem like the worst sort of narcissists and control freaks imaginable.
They sound like a complete nightmare to work with.
@@danika9411 probably to the point where it's better to jump ship completely.
can you tell me how they are narcissistic?
@@kidrobot. I think he means the overall structure like having streamers that are their favorites and get treated better. And things like first saying something is ok, then it's not ok. Lying, manipulation, like secret shadow banning, making their talents put out false statements, low empathy for their talents. Expecting good results without giving proper support.
Stuff like that I think.
Nijisanji: *falling apart*
H20Sakana: *"Y'know what they say... there are other fish in the sea."*
It’s free real estate
I am almost 100% sure its some sort of shadow suspension
Selen deserves so much better. She is so supportive towards her community. But every time she wants to do something for them, management feels the need to put the kabash on the whole thing. I just hope she's okay.
6:56 “fans aren’t owed shit” fans are how they make money. we’re part of the reason they have their job.
they can at least say goodbye.
The Disney of the vtubing scene strikes again... Not surprised
Knowing Nijisanji, they probably simply forgot to post her termination notice 🗿
Jokes aside I really hope she’s okay, termination or not. It must be really rough for her, so let’s support her in whatever way we can.
Riku privated her graduation stream 😂
They remembered. Selen's termination notice has been posted and it seems that all the speculations weren't so far-fetched.
Selen has had to beg for rent money on her throne page. Just like Niji has done to Gundou and Zaion, they are trying to wring them dry for as long as possible like your average black company.
Nah, Niji (ironic name) is beyond merely black, they're VantaBlack.
Can't find her throne page, link pls, would like to see it myself, but just if you find time.
@@shrIMPERIAL_Archive_Curator my reply keeps getting deleted, but it's named by her pl name. I hope you can figure that out yourself.
@@MitoseNorikoFan Thanks alot, I guess Pl = PlayList or PlayerName? (Edit: I had brain lagg)
@@shrIMPERIAL_Archive_Curator wtf no pl means past life
Can’t believe it’s been so long since we’ve seen her, I hope the problems haven’t caused the worst
Even a barely competent PR person will tell you complete radio silence is a major no-no when you have people upset with your business. Unfortunately, most management types can't fight the cowardly instinct to run & hide & hope it all blows over eventually.
You clearly never have seen japanese companies then lmao Nintendo does this all the time.
hope she is ok. she always seemed like such a happy individual and looked out for the community. she doesnt deserve all this pushback from management.
If Selen comes out okay, she needs to realize she’s got the shortest stick that was maliciously handpicked, by management and their dogmatic simps, and leave them all behind. But Pomu who recently graduated, they can’t risk a faster domino effect that’ll slam their other golden eggs.
It will hurt them way more if they just force her to wait for her current contract to expire (At best it is post March to June-July as the window) than break a deal, pay her a golden parachute to make a graduation in affable terms, and both sides leave at that. Or they can do what Wahktor does worst and pull a Zaion. Or just have the contract end, with a clearly pissed off Selen, who will go fucking loudspeaker on public square (Social Medias) to denounce their BS treatment of her with no censorship at all.
They better find the willingness of pay off her for all the troubles so she leaves withoutt having it a scandal than just delay the even worse PR nightmare drama
Selen's latest interaction with the internet as far as I can tell was on January 9th, but it was using an old account not controlled by nijisanji.
This means that she is definitely online, definitely using her computer, but simply NOT ALLOWED to communicate on her official account. She would update the community if she was allowed to, but that rancid company is not allowing her to do so.
However, all communication stopped after the 9th with no further communication.
Her final messages were saying people should donate to charities instead of her, saying she received some packages from fans and felt spoiled by it, and her last tweet is saying her dog came to cuddle up with her and he always seems to know when she needs it. Then nothing.
Imagine thinking it is too much to ask that she is even alive. She's been radio silent on all platforms for almost a month and didn't leave on the best terms (hospitalized for "unknown" reasons).
They just deleted EVERYTHING on her channel the same day they annoucned her termination. Nijisanji is such a shit company. They fucked HER over and after SHE retaliated they fire her for damaging their reputation.
I'd say she and management are negotiating contract termination. That she doesn't want to budge on some demands while they aren't willing to fulfill them.
Assuming this is the case then just blindly guessing my gut says they are fighting over a non-compete clause. If Selen terminates early she will likely want to join another company soonish while Niji in all their black company glory would likely want nothing more than barring her from working with another VTuber agency for multiple years
@@neshura Yeah, they reaaaally have it in for her. Like wow. I've rarely seen a place be so dead set on nipping at her that they willingly hurt their own image, events and products.
Fans who generously give their time and money to a company enabling them to become rich and world renowned
are owed nothing
Riiiiiight
Also Gura told people she was doing the hiatus , and also people are asking management , NOT Selen , because if she is resting people dont wanna bother her , but mangement.... screw Kurosanji.
RIP Selen.
You will be missed.
@MisterUmbra2kXx Riku must be stopped.
I truthfully believe nijisanji is corrupt from the inside out. Theyre sabotaging her at every turn for whatever reason
Not corrupt just inept and incompetent which is arguably worse
I read another comment confirming it was jp livers jealous that en is overshadowing them.
@KyhronLuna I think someone there has a vendetta against her. You can only screw up so many times as management and yell incompetence before it comes across as someone is doing it on purpose. She went to the hospital and nobody can convince me that management and nijisanji was the cause of it
@@Thefess people starting to doubt the hospital thing was even real. Why didn't she show the date on the bracelet? Is it because it's an old photo or something along those lines.
The weirdest thing is how management is behaving.
I've worked in various companies before, these are the clear signs of someone being singled out by management.
Someone up top does not like Selen and is taking steps to keep her quiet.
I'm not even a Selen fan and I'm like "wtf is going on?"
This, it's horrifying and it pains me to think that other non-indie vtubers COULD suffer like Selen is right now. The whole vtubing world seems like it's in chaos.
Why does it feel like NijiSanji is activly trying to destroy themself? What do they gain out of all that shit?
its ccp style power struggle. they will force the narration the have power, and prevent amy talent for rise. nijisanji have good relation with china. also so many legal orruption on china like tofu building, electric motorcycle, and donation laundering.
Pain. They will show the world pain
I can say that she has been playing apex on her pl account as recent as today, if your a apex player you should know how to do this. Imo she's just been suspended. I'm just mentioning this to show she seems ok enough to hit masters. But it's a very big bummer that niji is like this. I'll be waiting for her return.
How do you know that? I have no idea how Apex works.
When I disappeared from Facebook for 4 years people thought I died... Like I just didn't log on FB, not like I stopped uploading content in various places or talking to people in other ways. But people thought I died because I didn't log on Facebook specifically lol.
We already know that Niji used these "breaks" as a punishment
As someone who watches VTuber occasionally (no permanent talent, just across the board) - I think the fan base's reaction is more than justified. Why? In contrast to other models in the entertainment industry, VTubing relies heavily on working with a fixed base from which you then expand upwards. But it is the core of the fans that sustains the talent - financially as well as mentally. Especially at the beginning of their careers, talents bond by naming their own fans, mentioning the importance of the fans and "proudly" competing or comparing character traits of their fans with those of other talents.
There is always emphasis on a close bond with the talent in a “family” environment. (Naming the fanbase is an extremely binding factor between talent and fanbase - like a shared name)
This togetherness is rather unique in the industry when it comes to VTubing. No comedian, actor or singer does this. Neither do athletes.
This makes the behavior of fans in the event of failures, injuries, cancellations, etc. completely understandable. “Family” is worried in a different way. Requesting information is therefore completely logical.
It would even be more desirable if the so-called “voices of reason” took this factor into account.
Personally, I wish Selen a speedy recovery, a great start into the new year and better luck with her projects. Whether she does this with AC or another partner doesn't matter. She has extreme talent in front of and off the camera and enough charm to leave a lasting impression in the industry for years to come.
Actually, I think fans _are_ entitled or owed something, especially those who pay for memberships. Now, they can go too far, like in Gura's case, because they _knew_ why she wasn't streaming much and still complained, but we got no update from Selen in over a month, and I think it's reasonable for fans to ask for any update of any kind, or even an ETA when she'll be back.
This radio silence is highly suspicious and is fuel for speculation. It doesn't help that her last two posts aren't exactly reassuring, either.
This is unironically the part of the "true crime" documentary when the silence of someone sets off major red flags. God, I hope it doesn't end up that way............
Selen MIA for a whole month now. I'm starting to get some serious, SERIOUS Zaion vibes from this especially coming from Niji.
Zaion was right about Nijisanji. Have only seen and heard bad things from the management there.
They want to dethrone Wactor.
Wactor was clearly their inspiration
When's the D0xx-kuh-tah incidents coming? When that happens, least i would worry is the Nijibutahs trying to protect their Nijioverlords, only to get Proximity fuse d00xx FlaK themselves
They already did
With Wactor gone, they already have.
@@leonmystique9372 It's renamed and coming back, unfortunately.
Citing medical issues for an idol/talent company in japan is pretty much the automatic tactic for hiding serious talent-management disputes. This is well backed up by history. So its almost always bullshit. Its like the politician that got caught with a dead girl or a live boy saying he's resigning to "Spend more time with his family". Its a trope.
Nuke nijisanji from orbit. its the only way to be sure. Looking forward to pomu joining hololive EN as a individual talent like Azki or Irys.
I wonder what happened to the last person we didn't hear for a month just to get an update at the end.
If anything, I think it's BECAUSE Niji's reputation has been going down the shitter lately that people are as concerned as they are. If they have a much cleaner rap-sheet maybe are more willing to give a benefit of the doubt and silently wait but that is simply not the reality that this company has allowed Selen's fans to live in
Selen said that they switched her manager multiple times, and it ended up like this
damn when hard work is is not rewarded. not suprised she's mia.
Hope she's okay
she's likely gonna stay mia for a while longer then a sudden graduation announcement or perhaps, even termination. niji would want to delay it from pomu's graduation since 2 talents leaving at once looks worse. that's just my guess anyway.
Nijisanji will speak up soon enough when their investors (if they even exist) realize what the audience is like and over the fact that they're treating their members badly, even their golden child.
With Pomu gone, NijiEN is on the ropes. If Selen leaves too, which i can see it happen soon, the whole branch will begin collapsing.
The more things go, the more likely a certain yacht might start sinking.
Update: Selen is gone, things are indeed collapsing...
Yea, we shouldn't be surprised once we hear the grad/termination announcement and soon. If Selen was still recovering, she, her coworkers, and management would mention it. Instead it's been absolutely radio silent giving out such huge red flags.
But Millie said they're not a black company!
That's like a wiki editor adding something with the citation "trust me bro".
Correct. They are a vomit green company. Discusting, and vaugly money colored.
Millie is a Nijisanji lapdog
@@HenshinFanatic funny enough 😂 wiki now adding niji on list of blackcompany
At this point I'm not sure she'll ever come back as Selen.
there's probably at least an 80% chance the next communication from Niji about her is her getting fired.
They pulled a china and “silenced” her
I just feel AWFUL for Selen... She deserves so much better than this. Nijisanji absolutely SUCKS at their fucking management these days as they just don't give a shit about any of their talents, and continues to treat them like tools instead of real people. I totally don't blame Selen on wanting to graduate at some point as they have just treated her extremely shitty since last year. I feel like Selen MIGHT be going over targeted harassment from management at this point given how often they've been screwing her over recently. Let's hope she's doing okay, and HOPEFULLY we'll hear something about her in February. 🙏
Oh cmon, it's not even the end of January yet.
Can a lawyer or someone who's well versed in Japanese law tell us, can Selen can sue them? This is straight up sabotage against her career by management
A bad truth is better than simply nothing
Hope she gets freed from the Nijjsanji basement soon
I'm certain their conspiring against her staging the accident hoping to get her to leave or be "gone". I'm positive they value obedience over profit, just like their precious China.
I'm a Hololive fan and I dont watch much Nijisanji but man Nijisanji is screwing over all their talents. I bet within the next 2yrs or so give or take NijiEN branch will be gone or their will be very little members left. Its so very sad I hope Selen comes back and I hope Pomu finds a better place to continue her work
I honestly dont think she will ever come back as selen.
Selen should honestly just leave Nijisanji at this point. Leave and either pop up in VShojo or Hololive instead. She also needs to be the one to break character and openly admit when she does jump the Niji Yacht that she used to be Selen and that she's alright.
Doubt it would fly in Hololive.
In Vshojo it would be possible, though i don't know if Gunrun and co have the assets to wage one heck of a massive Legal Battle against Niji/Anycolor. Chances are that having a JP set of talents would have them be attacked under Perjury/Defamation laws (Because in Japan you can sue people for "Staining your Honor" and win) just to he pricks and attack any corpo she joins
Or Hololive
With Mama Roach and Brother Kuro in VSohjo?
Add Henya for Pomu and I half expect Mint Mait to redebue as a VSohjo Member
She has no past life but Mika is suspected of hanging with Mama Roach in Japan
I offhand forget Selen old vTuber name😏
i thought sh'd join vspo en, since vspo has been announcing the en branch
@@andrehashimoto8056 Nope, they won't have grounds to sue vshojo no matter what their talents say. Any disputes only possible directly with person in question, and it gets tricky with both local and international laws
(JP laws are completely irrelevant there). Most niji can do against vshojo as a whole is to ban collabs, which are already on a "once in a blue moon" schedule.
That doesn't fly well and dtto is a perfect example how to not graduate. Now no agency will pick her up, the best she can do is be a streamer for an esports team.
If you haven't been saving the vods you love...now might be a good time.
At this point I don't care if she returns to streaming or exits the company. All that I want to know is whether or not she still exists and, if so, if she's doing/going to be doing something that makes her happy.
I wouldn't be surprised if we hear some real nasty crap come out from Nijisanji a few years down the line when NDAs and what not end.
I wouldn't blame her for simply walking away from it all, if the rumors are true bout her getting soft suspended by niji and not even allowing her call in during Pomu's graduation. It was telling when she used her old account to stress post bout blowing big money on a certain MV. Niji is a black company and it shows.
Nijisanji is not going to recover from this shit. How many fuck ups is this from them at this point? Too many to count, I think.
Why do I have a bad feeling about this ?
Likely suspended...
Management from hell....
Too controlling...
What if that was Taylor Swift where every move she makes has to be okayed by management like attending a ball game.😮
How are these big agencies still held in such a high regard after all the shady crap they’ve done to their talents
Do people really have such short memories?
Can't think of anything bad hololive has done in comparison other than the whole China thing
@@deathcamz389talking about coco?
@@deathcamz389 I think they did their best to defend coco, but had to decide the termination/graduation because it was too much?? (I wasn't there at the time so I'm just stating my beliefs from other videos)
@@youtubereplier1 Coco also left due to wanting to create irl content. If they terminated Coco then why Haachama still in Hololive?
@@Diesel-w5hachama got stealth suspension for almost a year, don't believe anything these jp agencies say. I read another popular suspicion that it's likely jp branches being jealous due to en doing better than them. They all need to leave and join a western agency like vshoujo that'll treat them fairly.
Edit 1: Changed comma to apostrophe because I was tired when I made this comment.
Edit 2: Apparently this has been debunked, but I’ll leave this comment up so people can see just how worried people were to the point they would notice something so small.
Someone on 4Chan noticed that Selen's hospital posts are done with straight apostrophes, whereas all of her previous tweets are done with curved apostrophes. This is leading some to think it isn't even her posting/writing these tweets, but someone else in Niji.
I was so confused on what commas are even in the those posts, but I realized you're talking about apostrophes
That’s already been debunked, though. Selen could have been on her phone when making those tweets, which is why the apostrophe looks different. There’s even images that show the same thing occurring on tweets prior to her disappearance.
@@Boyzby Lmao thanks for telling me. Changed it. It was 4am when I posited this comment.
I think theres something deeper going on here. We’ll have to wait and see.
0 Days since the last Nijisanji scandal.
The whole "fans are not entitled to know anything" bit seems very misguided. People are not demanding content, they're worried for Selen because she made a trip to the hospital. Isn't it normal to worry about people you care for when they go to the hospital?? The heck??
Alas, I'm not big on Niji, I mostly watch Scarle, but it seems Selen is one of the most hard working ones, in terms of creating content that engages her audience. And the numbers seems to show it's a good thing. So I have to wonder why it seems Niji targets her so much. Either management is utterly incompetent or malicious to let that xmas music being greenlit, recorded, produced, mixed, mastered and then released, only to fumble some permission after the thing went live. And as the saying goes, one time is an event, two times is a coincidence, three times is enemy action.
I just hope Selen is in good health, mental and physical, but if I was in her place and considering Pomu's leave, I would too weight on leaving Niji for greener pastures. She's clearly capable of creating content on her own, so perhaps she's best fit for the indie scene.
Of course fans are not obligated to anything. But, as a fellow content creator, even though a small one, I know the fear of losing audience. When you go for a break, you still do content - break related. You talk to your audience. You sick, tired, mad - everything is content, that's how it works.
To me it looks like she is forcibly silenced. And people have their right to worry. It's not "parasocial" to ask what is going on and receive an answer - hell, people would calm their tits if there would be an answer. And the absence of contact, either from Niji or Selen herself will only fan the fire.
I'd argue they are obligated to at least an update, considering the fans are the reason any of them even have jobs.
Nijisanji from what I see now shows something worth tearing down. What is it that company not caring for it's clients like they own their life its a twisted thought
After everything that's happended, I'm just waiting for the graduation announcement. All we can do is hope she's fine.
Maybe it's an opportunity for Selen, to think if she wants to continue vtubing, if so, if she wants to continue working for nijisanji as vtuber, or graduate and find either other company or go indie. I'm not sure it's worth staying in niji in particular with how niji keeps limiting her, even throwing her hard work to the garbage (her adorable cover song). If she decides to continue vtubing outside of niji, I'll be sure to follow her, she's a fun gal for sure.
Oh God, I really hope nothing bad happened to her
I did my part and spammed their lastest Twitter posts with the hashtag earlier, and intend to do so for the next week daily until a decent response is given
i'm wondering if it is truly more too, she hasn't been posting on her personal account at all recently, the last post was Jan 6th. Hope she is doing okay aside from all of the Niji Drama
Guys pls, Nijisanji is only allowing one graduation per month to limit how fast they can hemorrhage members. Pomu sniped the January time slot, so we have to wait a few more days for the February Nijisanji graduation announcement. Have patience.
But kyo took it now what do we do
While the whole situation was (and still is) very strange and very worrysome, it's not only Nijisanji's silence and overall behaivor towards Selen that riles up the community and raises serious questions. It is also that weird, condescending and borderline toxic tone that we can see in that Wildnexus thread. I don't understand how asking for clarification, even in a simple typical corpo response to the community can be considered intrusive, demanding or disrespectful in any matter. People like this promote mentality that allowes companies to do stuff like Niji did to Selen and get away with it. That's not even white knighting or forced positivity, it's worse than that.They even trying to imply that this somehow will deter Selen's recovery!
Sure, we are not OWED many things, at least not more than typical cstumers, but to say that Dragoons are somehow in the wrong for asking what's going on is simply irrational. Nobody expects to get personal info or even concrete numbers, just explain whats going on
She's gone dragoons, it's joever
Niji is a horrible company and they have treated Selen like absolute garbage. I feel bad for the girl, no one who puts as much love into their work as she does and brings in her kind of numbers should be constantly fucked over by the people that are supposed to be helping build her up.
She probably is already not working with niji, but they don't want to announce graduations back to back this quickly.
from the experience, usually if the talent dont have any news over a month it usually ended with graduation letter
Somethings been happening with these companies that make them act in ways that will just make their talent go solo or elsewhere with their followers.
Niijisanji loves their silent suspensions.
Chained in Nijis basement without even a bowl of water.