So, there's a difference between recoil and muzzle flip. Recoil is the effect of the weapon being pushed back into you. Muzzle flip is related to the pivot point of the weapon (stock, grip) along with the recoil, coupled with distance from the pivot point to the muzzle. IRL it is much easier to control muzzle flip on full auto because you can just sort of grip hard and bear down on the weapon to keep it from rising. This is obviously caliber/weapon dependent. Pretty much every video game screws up the recoil/muzzle flip effects.
Hi, OP here. Some of you have failed to understand that the second video I found was just funny and I had a laugh and thought I would share it as it was also related to my point.
@@mathiasdu30000 because weapons was lasers with and without attachments and BSG doesnt know how to balance their fucking game, adds a standard recoil to weapons and increase the recoil reduction with attachments, simple as that, call it recoil or first kick, its the same shit
Understandable when they are underpaid devs, especially now with the sanctions it is hard to pay devs who are not in russia or any country that supports the rouble. If i am not wrong they have an entity in London.
The point of recoil and sum other stuff veing the way they are is to make it rewarding to play and progress yes the muzzle flip is unrealistic but if that isnt there theres no need for you to get high lvl traders uf you build it right a low recoil / mid recoil good ergo build isnt even that expensive ive played wipes where the m4 hk meta was dominant and if you want every gun ti jave that recoil the game would just be garbage
I can’t stand the recoil in Tarkov, it makes it feel so arcade like. I especially hate seeing videos of irl vals barely budging at full auto while in game it’s like controlling a hose under too much pressure.
An example the kalashnikovs AK are built to be reliable in real life that’s why you see many soldiers in Africa, Russia, etc use it without any modding to it and are able to control the recoil but it Tarkov a stock AKM recoil is unmanageable which doesn’t really make sense. please tell bsg this I want to able to use stock guns and be able to control them as easily as real life
@@macoxynormous8569 I found out it isn't you. Your yt account name is literally one letter different than someone I play tarkov with (Mike not myke) so we all got a kick out of it and why I thought it was you
You forgot the core gameplay mechanic that BSG uses to calibrate their game: Streamers. By ensuring that the best gamers can get their hands on the best loot and equipment, they make better streams that attract unsuspecting players. Concepts like "fun" and "fair" mean nothing to them. -You spawned into factory for the 20th time to get farmed by chads? Git Gud. -Work a day job with a family and you get pitted against sweaty teenagers? It's your fault. -Recoil is uncontrollable? Clearly you need to cheese your recoil stats and use demon-tier attachments locked behind about two-to-three months of progression (Or two-weeks if you're a no-lifer.) They're not interested in a realistic game, a survival game, or even something that's fun. It's just pain. And either you're the king of the heap inflicting it on others, or you're struggling and probably deserve to. It is a *very* Russian worldview.
It is a game, not a simulator. Its system is closer to that of an rpg than that an actual simulator. Crying about recoil or being unrealistic its a way of deniying that now you cant metaspread with a drum mag laser beam ar-15
Yup, complaining about something being unrealistic but happily popping an Injector of some kind that stops bleeding, increases energy and can make you carry lots more weight! Legs blown off by a shotgun? Use a field surgical repair kit and just keep walking like nothing has happened. Recoil is fine. If every gun had laser recoil, the game would just be dumb
The game already is dumb mate The meta will continue to shift until a critical mass of players are running .308 out of RFBs, SR-25s, RSASS... all semi-auto regardless of range. Then it will be just like the VSS/VAL where diversity in the game is suffering. No one is going to use the new shit fuck G36 because you will draw looney-toon outlines around mofos, then die to headeyes from a single tap. Inside 25 or even 50 meters full auto center mass should be a death sentence. Instead it's just a crap shoot whether or not you get a lucky recoil into someone's headeyes.
Recoil is trash, ur wrong. It's completely unrealistic and breaks the ballance of the game. Back in the day everyone had a chance with a shitty gun, now its only 1mil build meta
So, there's a difference between recoil and muzzle flip.
Recoil is the effect of the weapon being pushed back into you.
Muzzle flip is related to the pivot point of the weapon (stock, grip) along with the recoil, coupled with distance from the pivot point to the muzzle.
IRL it is much easier to control muzzle flip on full auto because you can just sort of grip hard and bear down on the weapon to keep it from rising. This is obviously caliber/weapon dependent.
Pretty much every video game screws up the recoil/muzzle flip effects.
I'm tarkov muzzle flip is centered on the handle of the gun instead of the butt of the stock. That's why they flip so freaking much on first shot.
i mean its hard to recreate because it depends on the person that shoots the gun
Almost got it bud
It wasn't like that 'til some crybabies complainted that some guns like the M4 were bullet hoses with laser-like accuracy.
Good thing Netease saw that and fixed the MPX's muzzle flip in the game "Lost Light" , and with the long boy build it becomes a mid range laser gun,
Hi, OP here. Some of you have failed to understand that the second video I found was just funny and I had a laugh and thought I would share it as it was also related to my point.
Why make it unlisted though?
Fair point.
Something has to change, but BSG / Nikita are in a permanent state of deafness with the players
??? They changed recoil because people complained in the first place
@@mathiasdu30000 because weapons was lasers with and without attachments and BSG doesnt know how to balance their fucking game, adds a standard recoil to weapons and increase the recoil reduction with attachments, simple as that, call it recoil or first kick, its the same shit
@@Trax117 I 100% agree that they don't know how to balance anything but they do listen to the community
Understandable when they are underpaid devs, especially now with the sanctions it is hard to pay devs who are not in russia or any country that supports the rouble. If i am not wrong they have an entity in London.
@@mathiasdu30000 by adding more op boss and stopping lower level player from having gear ?? not really bsg is just digging it's own grave faster
The point of recoil and sum other stuff veing the way they are is to make it rewarding to play and progress
yes the muzzle flip is unrealistic but if that isnt there theres no need for you to get high lvl traders
uf you build it right a low recoil / mid recoil good ergo build isnt even that expensive
ive played wipes where the m4 hk meta was dominant and if you want every gun ti jave that recoil the game would just be garbage
new update for recoil whatcha think?
It's amazing
yep, dont forget. 9mm. 45 has LESS recoil.
I can’t stand the recoil in Tarkov, it makes it feel so arcade like. I especially hate seeing videos of irl vals barely budging at full auto while in game it’s like controlling a hose under too much pressure.
It's that initial recoil that's the problem, the creators need to get out to the range or take a trip to ukraine
Can you show the target and spread cuz that really doesn't show anything
the fact that the muzzle doesnt move isn't enough ?? then go get some real experience you will quickly undertand own fucjed up bsg gunplay is
An example the kalashnikovs AK are built to be reliable in real life that’s why you see many soldiers in Africa, Russia, etc use it without any modding to it and are able to control the recoil but it Tarkov a stock AKM recoil is unmanageable which doesn’t really make sense. please tell bsg this I want to able to use stock guns and be able to control them as easily as real life
Random question: if this is who I think it might be, did you really discard your gamma??? If it is it's addi's friend Abbbadon/nythis
I have no idea who those people even are.
@@macoxynormous8569 I found out it isn't you. Your yt account name is literally one letter different than someone I play tarkov with (Mike not myke) so we all got a kick out of it and why I thought it was you
@@stefansaus4689
Say the name out loud
My kox long
You forgot the core gameplay mechanic that BSG uses to calibrate their game: Streamers. By ensuring that the best gamers can get their hands on the best loot and equipment, they make better streams that attract unsuspecting players. Concepts like "fun" and "fair" mean nothing to them.
-You spawned into factory for the 20th time to get farmed by chads? Git Gud.
-Work a day job with a family and you get pitted against sweaty teenagers? It's your fault.
-Recoil is uncontrollable? Clearly you need to cheese your recoil stats and use demon-tier attachments locked behind about two-to-three months of progression (Or two-weeks if you're a no-lifer.)
They're not interested in a realistic game, a survival game, or even something that's fun. It's just pain. And either you're the king of the heap inflicting it on others, or you're struggling and probably deserve to. It is a *very* Russian worldview.
It is a game, not a simulator. Its system is closer to that of an rpg than that an actual simulator. Crying about recoil or being unrealistic its a way of deniying that now you cant metaspread with a drum mag laser beam ar-15
Yup, complaining about something being unrealistic but happily popping an Injector of some kind that stops bleeding, increases energy and can make you carry lots more weight! Legs blown off by a shotgun? Use a field surgical repair kit and just keep walking like nothing has happened.
Recoil is fine. If every gun had laser recoil, the game would just be dumb
waaaa waaaaa
oof ur not very bright ru
The game already is dumb mate
The meta will continue to shift until a critical mass of players are running .308 out of RFBs, SR-25s, RSASS... all semi-auto regardless of range.
Then it will be just like the VSS/VAL where diversity in the game is suffering.
No one is going to use the new shit fuck G36 because you will draw looney-toon outlines around mofos, then die to headeyes from a single tap.
Inside 25 or even 50 meters full auto center mass should be a death sentence. Instead it's just a crap shoot whether or not you get a lucky recoil into someone's headeyes.
Thats why they focus on the game being as realistic as playable.
Recoil is trash, ur wrong. It's completely unrealistic and breaks the ballance of the game. Back in the day everyone had a chance with a shitty gun, now its only 1mil build meta