Monstera borsigiana/deliciosa? Clearing up confusion | Plant with Roos
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- Let's talk all about Monstera deliciosa - or borsigiana? Main focus is how to tell apart large and small form but I also answer a bunch of other related questions. Timestamps below. The bujo video: • Plant tracking ideas: ...
Timestamps:
00:00 intro
00:18 Q: borsigiana?
00:50 does it matter?
01:48 1. Leaf shape
02:03 2. Variegation
02:27 3. Internodes
03:25 moss poles?
04:04 4. Petiolar sheath
05:49 Ferry
06:09 5. Fenestrations
07:57 Sport
09:19 6. Ruffles
09:34 Luna
12:14 variegation: leaf layers
13:32 Q: repot with new leaf?
13:58 Aurea
15:16 Q: large form hard to find?
15:34 Thijs
16:30 Q: new Thai leaf time?
18:28 Q: how much light?
19:06 Q: aerial roots?
20:26 James
22:10 Q: black spots?
23:48 BLOOPER
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The real Planty folks will keep the Plant Craze going. I have been growing and collecting houseplants for about 50 years now, and I cannot imagine not having them. This was a very informative video and Iearned things I didn't know about by Thai Mint and I THANK YOU, Roos!!
Haha yes same! I always had plants cos my mum and grandma but now I know a lot more about them and have a lot more than before 🤭 thank you so much!
Same for me, Roos. I learned from my Gran and mom. Have to keep the teaching and learning going.
That's so cool ❤️❤️❤️
Like a visit with a knowledgeable plant friend, taking me along to tease apart clues that differentiate my plants. Got up and looked at my Monsteras and then subscribed. Thank you for synthesizing all this, Roos
That's such a cool way to look at it! Happy to be your plant friend who shares the fun plant facts ❤️
This is the best
explanation for determining large form and small form I've heard. Thanks so much.
Thank you!! I was so excited when I first learned - something that actually makes it easy!
Never realised the petiolar sheath was a way to distinguish them. Great informative video! As always
i didn't either until some genius on facebook shared it! so happy to have learned and now pass it on
This video confirms why your channel is my favorite planty resource! Love the way you explain in a clear and caring way ❤ now I want to go to the nursery just to show off my new knowledge 😅
Haha awww thank you so much!! 🤭❤️ do it, show off that knowledge haha 👌✌🏻️
The small form used to get called Monstera Tacanaensis by some botanists (until somewhere in the 70's). There is an article on researchgate that elaborates on it. After a revision it was changed to a M. Deliciosa small form. I think the differences are quite obvious in general, but there are some that are a bit harder to identify. I even believe there is an intermediate form (I think these are hybrids). Some Monstera Mint (especially from Asia) are significantly larger than the small form, but not as big as the common large form. Anyway, enough talks. Awesome video! Groetjes
Interesting thank you for sharing! I heard the borsigiana name was never official like the one you're mentioning, it was just a(n incorrect) synonym!
Thank you for this video. I've been identifying large and small form monstera like a boss! 😃
Haha that's awesome to hear!! Thank you ❤️
Thank you for this video. I needed a collection of information about monstera in one place! 💚
That's great to hear thank you!
Well, I learned something today! Thanks Roos!
That's awesome thank you!
Very interesting and informative video, thank you Roos…..
Thank you! 🙏🏻❤️
Great video 😊😊😊❤ My Thai is in front of a south facing window and pushes out a new leaf every 1.5 to 2 months, even in winter as I always have the grow lights on when the sun is not shining!
Woooowwww that is so impressive!! Waaauuwww
Yes mine is a fast grower as well.💚💚🪴🌿
Super useful the petiolar sheat tip!!!!!!!! I immediately went to look at my plants😆. Thanks ❤
Hahaha awesome!! Can you tell on yours??
@@plantwithroos yes, the difference is pretty clear. And the result was surprising... The monstera I thought was small form, was actually large. Same with the one I thought was large XD
Oh interesting!
Such valuable information thanks a bunch
Thank you for watching!! 🙏🏻❤️
Thank you Roos! I do have a Albo that is a large leaf form and I recently propagated it on a pole in the same fashion you did and it was the easiest and stress free way to propagate Monstera's for sure! 💚😎
That's awesome! I have noticed my pole getting very very full of roots now tho 🤭 all the cuttings growing their own root systems out 😅
❤ great! I noticed there are differences but I always thought it's due to differences in maturity 😅 thank you so much. That's a huge help ❤
That's great to hear thank you! ❤️❤️
Hi Roos, so I bought a very large monstera and I thought it was the most full size plant I’ve ever owned, and the seller said it was a monstera bush form, I was thinking it was a monstera deliciosa but I don’t even know what bush form even means? Any ideas or advice for me? Thanks for your great video on telling a part the large or small form! But wtf 🤬 is bush form? Lmao 😜, Ginger
Hey ginger! I'm afraid that might be a sellers term to make it sound more cool / ask more money. It sounds like maybe it's a mature large form, like the huge leaves?
This was so helpful, thank you!!!
You're so welcome, happy to hear it was helpful!
Hi Roos :)
Thanks for our video i went and check all of my monsteras ahah
I also have a huge Thai with 16 leaves. This bad boy grows a new one every 2 months or so. I'm currently in the south of France on the sea shore and it's in front of a massive south facing window.
That's so impressive woowww!! Very cool 👌❤️
Thanks for this video. I now know I have a large form Monstera!
That's awesome! I forgot to include that green large form plants are easier to find that's why I thought maybe Ferry was large form. Hope the video made sense 🤭❤️
Great info! Thanks! I checked my deliciosa and it is a small form. 🙂💚✨
Thank you! I want to check all the monstera everywhere now 🤭❤️
This is so interesting! Will check all my monsteras haha 😊 also was wondering what type of camera do you use? Your videos are just a pleasure to watch!
Haha that's awesome! Thank you - I use a Sony Zv-e10 camera with a very nice lens, 16mm 1.4f. The camera is very good at focussing which is a joy to work with, even with the kit lens but this nice lens makes it all even better. I film the up close plant things with my phone (iPhone 15 pro) cos when there's a lot to see, the camera doesn't know where to focus and iPhone is just easy. Oh and on the camera a Røde video mic pro which is amazing!
@@plantwithroos thanks so much for answering this ❤
To me the internodal spacing and growth habit are still the most reliable and easy tell.
Small form may get shortER internodal spaces with high light, but it's still a good gap between nodes. You could easily cut to prop, with space either side of the node.
Large form are stacked, the nodes one on top of the other, hard to even cut between
Large form also tend to grow as a self supporting bush, almost more horizontal than vertical.
Small form is a true vine, a climber, it will stretch upwards and the internodes stretch out to climb till it reaches the canopy / higher light.
Large form still go up but in a thick stacked trunk, that may wind around but not like the vine of the small form. Here in Australia they grow as garden plants (even where I live where we get frost) and you can really see that they are a self supporting plant with a trunk.
It's really reliable 😊🌱
I agree petiolar ruffles are not reliable 😊
Now that I've grown both for years I agree that it's pretty clear - editing this video even helped to make it more clear. But from a beginner mind, like I was a few years ago, or someone who hasn't seen both in person before, the internodes one can still be very confusing. The petiolar sheath one was much more clear to me back then! Very cool you have them growing all over, maybe for ozzies it's easier because they're so common!
@@plantwithroos Ah yeah ok I guess if you hadn't seen both growing I get that then! 😊🌱 Lol, I think most Australians wouldn't know the difference either, but you're right it is possible to go look at (mostly large form) growing in a garden if one is interested, and see the difference between that and small form 😊🌱
It's definitely great to give people multiple ways of telling, I guess different ways connect with different people! 😊
I was given 2 huge long chunks of large form trunk, the stem so thick I could barely get my hand around it, by a friend from her parent's garden a few years ago - they were just throwing it away after pruning.
So I chopped and propped and have a heap of large forms all over the place now 🤣🤣🌱🌱❤
That's so cool!! Yeah different things work for different people but also knowing all the different things together helps - like I said now I also use the internode thing, it's a good combo with the petiolar sheath
@@plantwithroos Yeah absolutely! I think if you can use several techniques that helps you be more certain too 😊❤🌱
And a big hello from australia
Oohh cool I hope to visit again one day! 🤙
hahahah I loved the last bit 🤪 what was mickey doing!?
😅😅 I think it was that stuff from the anal glands that got on his side and then on me when I picked him up 😅
I usually find that large form have ruffles where the petiole joins the leaves and the nodes are spaced together more, i have both and grow them in average lighting and those theories are usually acurate, unless like you stated they have alot of light available
The internodes is definitely an important way to tell them apart but like I said it doesn't always work depending on light, and the ruffles also doesn't work in my experience. That's why I like the sheaths thing!
@plantwithroos yes I hadn't heard the sheath difference before this video and looking at the ones I own you can definitely spot the difference, the ruffles side of things the only ones I have that have ruffles are the large forms, but I'd imagine the more mature the small form, the more likely they are to develop ruffles?
I'm Jerry from TEXAS love you take care ❤
Thank you Jerry!
Do you think that this method can be applied for philodendrons as well? I have a pink princess and I’m not sure if they even have large / small forms!
Hey! Philodendron don't have this large form small form thing. But they do have a maturity thing you can check out! The juvenile Philodendron grow from petiolar sheath like I showed in this video. But when they mature they switch to a cataphyll, so the new leaf doesn't grow out of the previous ones petiole anymore. I have a short form video where I show it: Cataphyll vs petiolar sheath | Plant with Roos
ruclips.net/user/shortseJPyh6an4MM See what yours are doing!
I heard that large form has ruffles at the petiole/leaf junction. Did you find anything about that in your research?
I talk about that in this video! There's time stamps in the description to see where
Would you say that the large form matures quicker? I wonder if that’s why many of the signs are simply due to maturity. The sheath rule makes sense!
I only have a couple of large form plants. My Thai definitely matured fast (well.. Fast is relative with Thai 🤭), but the sport is not really sizing up much yet. But I have had that much shorter than the Thai.. So I'm not sure! My small forms generally size up pretty fast actually. I think it might have more to do with light and support than the form?
Oh such a great video 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 so my thai is small form and my plain old deliciosa is large form.. or is it vice versa 😂😂 I forget.. nope my thai has a short petiole sheath and my plain old has a long one.. My Thai (xmas gift from my hubby) grew 3 leaves right away and now since February its had 1 leaf and its only a partial leaf. Seems the tip didn’t develop 🙄 💩🤣🤣🤣
Haha thank you, so the one with the long sheath is small form and short sheath is large form. Makes sense with your Thai as they're always large form!
You should make a video on how to tell where a growth point is likely to pop up when chopping and propagating a monstera albo because I have a half moon plant and when I get prop I get all green new growths 😢
I have shown that in previous monstera videos - I have quite a few about Monstera propagation. Actually I made a specific video about my half moon plant very recently!
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I love u videos ❤️❤️❤️
Both my Albos are small form. Some of my green dosis large form and my Aurea and mint are both large form
That's awesome! Aurea large form 👀😍🥰
How can i connect another Crow Point on a prop. leaf ❓
Hey a growth point is on the stem, for aroids one per node (one per leaf). I have other monstera videos where I show growth points up close
I have a green monstera deliciosa that didn't grow any leaves for almost 2 years, even though it is located right by a southeast window. It is currently unfurling a new leaf, so I'm relieved. Do you think large form takes a longer time to grow? (If you already answered this in the video, sorry, I might have missed it)
Wow that's so long 🫢 I talked about it in a comment but I'm not sure on what platform - I've mostly noticed top cuttings take extra long and yes also that large form is slower. But I mostly have small form so not a really fair comparison ❤️
@@plantwithroos It may well be that something was wrong with my plant, I just don't know what! I'm just glad it's growing now :D
Yeah sometimes they're a dud.. I've had Hoya do NOTHING then get another cutting of that same species and it's super easy 🙄
@@plantwithroos So you are saying I should buy another Monstera then 👀😁
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My Thai constellation when kept indoors spent 10 months without putting out new leaves, it was also browning. Luckily I live in a moderate climate, winter temperatures range from 12-18°C and rains a lot so I just moved it outdoors and it gave me a new leaf in one month. Didn't move her again after that haha and it gets some hours of direct sunlight (even in summer). My albo small form also does better outdoors but in no direct sunlight. I find it tiresome how even though my albo has good genetics it has reverted on me three times in a total of 4-5 years, I don't think I'll buy anymore plants with unstable variegation, the thai is bullet proof.
Oh wow! The Thai story is very cool. But I'm sorry about your plant reversing so much 🥺 stable is definitely great 👌
so that means my sport/aurea i got in the gardencenter is a large form 🤔 that would be pretty cool 😅
That makes sense, green plants are easier to find as large form so sport variegated ones have a better chance of being large form 👌 that's why I thought Ferry might be large form!
Great, informative video, Roos! Thank you. Interested to see what happens with the mint.
Also I have to know... was it poop? 🤣 classic cat owner problems!
Hahaha I was wondering if anyone stayed for that part! I think it was that stuff from the anal glands, he's been having some issues with that. Plus it smelled bad but it didn't smell like poop- it smells less bad thankfully!
@@plantwithroos ohh poor Micky 😢 hope he gets better soon (and stops leaving bad smelling goo on you 😂)
I don't think it bothers him a lot, just when a poop sticks to his bum and he scoots over the ground which we think is so funny so it's all good 🤭😂 this was the first time he put goo on me so not too bad 😅
@@plantwithroos hahaha yes one of mine does that too, and it's the funniest thing 😂 I just wish she didn't do it on the carpet...
Oohh noooo! 🫢 we just have hard laminate floors that are easy to clean 😅
I have a monster albo that I can’t tell if it’s large or small despite the petiolar sheath! The leaves/growth pattern are so similar to a small form 🙃
If you can't tell from the petiolar sheath, I look at the stem and internodes. Anything that's not as compact as I show on my sport is likely a small form - tho I heard something about an in between form 🤪
Plants are a lifestyle, not a craze 😂❤
Plants are forever! 👌❤️ I do get people making their collection smaller after the lock downs lifted and they had to get back to their jobs. I'm lucky my job is plants and yoga!
Ik dacht ik ga gelijk bij mijn monstera albo kijken doet ie beide met zijn blad.
Hij bestaat uit 4 planten die niet van dezelfde moederplant komen.
Maar eentje doet beide
Eentje zou een large form zijn
En twee een small form
Ik heb het idee dat het bij jonge planten nog niet helemaal stabiel is😅
hahah ok interessant! het kan zeker dat als het nog kleintjes zijn, het niet duidelijk is. Als je wil kun je me een video sturen op instagram (of via mail) dan kijk ik even mee!
@@plantwithroos zal ik doen! 😊
Mint monsteras are usually large forms ❤
That fits with the story my friend told me about it being a Thai constellation mint - Thai are always large form and this one is mint 👌
@@plantwithroos yes! Your plants are lovely! Monsteras are my fav.
Thank you!
I don’t know that I have ever heard that borsigiana was another name for deliciosa or that the small form is technically called Deliciosa as well. 🤯 I would like to go down the same rabbit hole that you did on researching this! Any resources that were helpful?
Yeah that was an interesting one right! The research was years ago so I don't have sources, potentially an aquantance told me who works at the botanical gardens here. The (mostly not so helpful) tips to tell them apart were from Facebook groups.
@@plantwithroos I do a lot of my learning from Facebook groups too 😂
Please 🙏 1 of Very gated monstera plant 🪴 Please 🙏 Freind
I don't know that you mean?
ben je nederlands want je engels is echt goed
Jep Nederlands, hoi! Mijn vader was Engels leraar en ik heb veel in het buitenland gereisd en gestudeerd ook (master in de UK). Dank je wel!
o laat maar heb nu pas het einde gezien
Ik weet niet wat je bedoelt daarmee maar prima 😅
Ok first im jealous ,i do not have a borsgiana yet, going to look at your other videos to learn more,i do have over 100 plants..luv luv..😊 great vidoe
Haha but then.. Does anyone have a borsigiana after watching this video? Nope, just Monstera deliciosa small form 🤭❤️ hope you find one soon for a good (low) price!
I m from India 🇮🇳 Se Gujrat ke Surat Se please 🙏 Very dated monstera plant 🪴 Ned please
Namaste 🙏🏻
I was very late to the plant craze party, and I’m going nowhere 😂 also thank you, I know now my Ikea bought, Monstera is large form. I have no doubt now 🪴
Haha yay welcome! The true ones stay forever 😅❤️ awesome! Large forms are so cool
@@plantwithroos Yes! Forever and Evergreen with a splash of variegated fenestrated plantiness
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Hahaha love that!