Beautiful review. Love your calm and collected presenting style. I do love a reviewer that's not afraid to show a bit of enthusiasm! Kudos from a fellow rookie (MSFS since FS1)
The limited elevator authority over 480 is a trademark of the 109 and made her much more difficult to control in that flight regime than the Spitfire. The 109 pilots were notorious for having to train for arm muscle. You are stalling on top of the loop. Release back stick, the slats will come out, and she'll easily go over the top without stalling at all. Feed in lots of right rudder as you get closer to the top of the loop to keep her straight. In comparison the Spitfire is a fun plane (as all the real-world sources say).
@@alpha4You seen a suggestion from FI that you should also chop the throttle over the top to avoid P-Factor. I was told not to in the P-51 (A2A) so hadn’t even considered trying that!
@@Dreamsofwings This would help, but it's not necessary. Just remember that you might need full right rudder to keep her straight when you go over the top at about 220 km/h.
You have nailed the essential difference between the Spit and the Me on the head! The Spit was designed to be flown by amateur flyers after a minimum of fliying time in the machine. The Me 109 was designed like a Formula 1 racing car: air frame built around the machine, little regard for the man in the cockpit, needs an experienced hand at the stick. In all the books on the Battle of Britain, the Spit pilots say, when asked which machine was better, that it was mainly a question of the pilot not the machine, who won the fight. Even in the - easy to fly - Spit, inexperienced pilots (near the end of the BoB) were shot down more often by the Me 109E pilots who had more experience with their machine But at the end of the war, when only new pilots were put in the Me, after far too few hours in the airplane, they were overwhelmed, many even killed themselves during take off or landing. In your video, I should have liked to see it flown at top speed (1.4 MP, 2500 revs)= >600 km/h. After all, she was made to race. The later FW 190 was meant as a „workhorse“, meant for low level fighting as well as bombing. I am looking forward to see a video of the FW in MSFS. In P3D, it handles well (Classics Hangar).
I do like when planes use km/h. It feels like it should be... (coming from old times ww2 german and Russian planes sim player). Also i adore their way of compass where you have north always up and the "toy plane" is moving around. Basically, its like the path on the map. If the little plane is going down that south.
The elevator trim, was actually the whole horizontal stabilizer itself, so at high speeds you'd turn the wheel and trim back for turning tight at higher speeds and then adjust it on the fly constantly in a dogfight etc. (DCS Experience)
oh the sound is much better than in DCS .. even it is a G6 and not K4.. I had the pleasure to hear the original BMW motor at Usedom HANGAR 10 in September 2019.
Amazing aircraft, amazing sound, amazing behavior! Really well done! One thing I noticed is when you put in full aileron left or right it clips a bit through the wing. Nothing major though… I just have to learn taking it off and landing it!!!
It's absolutely fantastic isn't it! I'm having the same troubles with the loop but it's all part of the fun learning how fly the 109 properly 👍great video as always
18;42 I had that spinning issue too. You'll see the right rudder pedal oscillates when the parking brake is set, looks like the sim is reading conflicting control inputs, better to stomp on the brakes when running up even if the parking brake is set.
Many thanks! The only real difference is that buying from MSFS marketplace anything that has weapons has them removed. You also tend to get updates quicker on the dev purchased versions.
Did I see some parents in the crowd covering their children’s eyes as you taxied by? 😆 Thanks for another entertaining video. I’ve had a few takeoffs and landings in the 109 and I need loads more practice!
Elevator authority was not something the 109 was known for. I admire your courage for looping it because I have spun it several times already. I think the sound is pretty good I do think the real-life 109 is more aggressive sounding. The 109 is definately one of the best sounding warbirds in real-life. Like with the corsair, you see so many pictures of the 109 nose planted because of the horrific landing gear geometry.
@@Dreamsofwings The great thing is there is a Warbird for every taste now. You like elegance you got the Spitfire. You like nose wheels you got the P-38. You like toughness and durability you got the Hellcat. You like high-speed and a radial engine you got the Milviz Corsair. You like feisty and a b*tch to fly you got the 109. The Hellcat is my favorite but I would die for an A6M Zero. Its an airplane that is so underrepresented in the sim community. X-Plane had a excellent freeware zero. Like the 109 it was a force to be reckoned with early in the war.
I realized by setting the Plug Fouling on a rocker switch on my Bravo Qaudrant, I was flying the whole time with Plug Fouling engaged. It made taxiing / groundwork easier and didn't seem to impact flying or cruise. The Lever on my 109 was popping in and out like it was automated/possessed! I have to look at that more closely.
Was this airfield EGSU? I took a quick flight but didn't see all the other WWII aircraft that you show here. That's a very cool airport!! Is that some sort of add-on? Thanks for the great video? Cheers, John
@@Dreamsofwings thanks for the info. I’m thinking you may have bought this for your PC. I looked on the marketplace and couldn’t find it. Cheers and thanks for the great video.
You had your tail wheel unlocked which is why it turned to the left during taxi. You lock it with a lever on the left. Put it down and it will look like an L as in locked.
Of course in October 1997 a BF 109 crashed at Duxford whilst landing. Registration G-USTV cancelled by the CAA as "permanently Withdrawn from use" on 24/09/1998. In view of the rarity and historical significance of this airframe, it was repaired and rebuilt to static display standards as part of the IWM Duxford Collection and statically displayed at Duxford and at the RAF Museum Hendon, London
For anyone wondering about how accurate the cockpit sounds are, they and can be cross-referenced with these videos from the real thing. I'd say they're spot on, from low idle all the way to full power. ruclips.net/video/JGhMGQst4lo/видео.html ruclips.net/video/jenWQy4Zm-w/видео.html
"Yellow nosed bastards at 12 o'clock!" - sorry, getting carried away! Love this, flown the 109 so much in IL2, so be super interesting to compare it to this one. Like you alluded to, you spend more time in IL2 trying to shoot down Ruskies than you do flying it properly.
so on the 5th failed circuit I figured out you have to slowly feed out the rudder as you pick up speed, if you stay hard right like it says in the checklist you will tip. just landings to figure out. I bounce soooooo much. I ended up going over the raised bank onto the road :)
@@andysim232 yes exactly, it is a case of finding the right rate of allowing rudder and stick to centre (with corrections of course) to keep it stable.
Another gem from the FI team, love the 109 and all its little quirks have been nicely modelled here, including the challenging takeoffs with the skinny undercarriage
109 pilots were not allowed to perform dives at all below a certain altitude; the heavy controls at high speeds are pretty notorious - not helped in the slightest by the fact the cockpit is too cramped to fully deflect the stick in the lateral axis!
The 109 on IL2 is easier.. In DCS the flying mode is a bit more complex, but like everything in the life, one have to learn.. After few hours of practice, takeoff and landings are a way to relax after the battles 😉
I'm not so sure about the sound from the cockpit. I'm sure it is accurate but it does sound like I am flying an old sewing machine. As for elevator authority in the loop, I am no expert but I've had a good old go in her above Duxford, don't use full back stick and maybe, just maybe, use a bit of flap. I know that isn't a real life thing for most aircraft but you mentioned it too, it doesn't have a big wing area and relies on flaps and slats in order to turn at it's max rate. Not that you would turn and burn in a 109 in real life because it's a boomer zoomer, not a turner burner.
I’ve been seeing people saying it is accurate so I guess it’s just a different tone. I am new to the 109 coming from allied fighters so its all a new experience for me.
@@Dreamsofwings Nice video and it looks like a very interesting warbird for MSFS - I still am just used to those kind of planes in DCS and there the K-model seems to be much easier to fligh. Maybe some cross checking with this real live footage could be helpful: ruclips.net/video/ERo0lTyUvOk/видео.html It seems that pulling stick full back during taxi helps with ground handling - I am doing this when taxiing the K-version in DCS, too. And it looks like this pilot avoided a full loop and did just Immelmann-Loops - maybe for reasons ;) Some more live footage - of course the G14 is a much more modern version, but great to watch the handling: ruclips.net/video/3A0AlepZY7c/видео.html
2 things bugger me in 2023, lack of motion blur for nose cones, and the lack of nice cameras to follow airplanes in msfs, companion airplane cameras are amazing for dynamic feeling, sometimes you want to look at planes and a cameraman following gives you that nice deep perception.
No wonder that glorious and perfect country won the war. The German pilots were still going through the checklist on the ground when the Britwaffa flew past them and bombed all their stuff. All I can say really is ...... TALLY HO !!!!!!!
I have to admit it the BF109 G is the best all round aircraft fighter in WWII....sorry Spit & Hurricain ( my two favourites). Respect to the BF109, as the 109 will try killing on the ground and landing, but once up in the air with WEP....oh man, she's a beast....remember do nor reapeat errors.....but learn from history....
No it's not, the water cooled engine makes it fulnerable in air to ground combat. The FW 190 was a much better plane overall when we talk about German planes. The 109 just couldn't compete with the P51D, P47, late Spitfires and certainly not with the Sea Fury. The design of the 109 was just to old as an early pre-war bird. The high kill scores are only because of a few exceptional pilots like Hartman, Marseille, Galland and others.
The tablet priming display issue has been noted by FlyingIron as a bug and will be fixed. They are a great dev for squashing the bugs!
Beautiful review. Love your calm and collected presenting style. I do love a reviewer that's not afraid to show a bit of enthusiasm! Kudos from a fellow rookie (MSFS since FS1)
Thanks so much! Thanks for watching 🍻
The sounds on this aircraft are the new benchmark for the sim.
Great aren’t they.
15:42 i just love the 109 startup sound
Great sounds on this. Very immersive 👍🏻
The limited elevator authority over 480 is a trademark of the 109 and made her much more difficult to control in that flight regime than the Spitfire. The 109 pilots were notorious for having to train for arm muscle.
You are stalling on top of the loop. Release back stick, the slats will come out, and she'll easily go over the top without stalling at all. Feed in lots of right rudder as you get closer to the top of the loop to keep her straight.
In comparison the Spitfire is a fun plane (as all the real-world sources say).
Will give that a try 👍🏻
@@Dreamsofwings It's ging to work - I promise. :)
@@alpha4You seen a suggestion from FI that you should also chop the throttle over the top to avoid P-Factor. I was told not to in the P-51 (A2A) so hadn’t even considered trying that!
@@Dreamsofwings This would help, but it's not necessary. Just remember that you might need full right rudder to keep her straight when you go over the top at about 220 km/h.
@@alpha4You yes was holding the rudder in, learned that from the P-51 lol. Will try releasing the stick
Fantastic crate indeed! In the old IL2 the Friedrich 4 was my goto crate. Love its aggressive shark like look and its personalities, good and bad.
Yes as a newcomer to the 109 I can see it is great fun and a good challenge!
The F model („Friedrich“) was the perfect combination of motor and airframe. All later models did in effect overtax the airframe.
You have nailed the essential difference between the Spit and the Me on the head! The Spit was designed to be flown by amateur flyers after a minimum of fliying time in the machine. The Me 109 was designed like a Formula 1 racing car: air frame built around the machine, little regard for the man in the cockpit, needs an experienced hand at the stick.
In all the books on the Battle of Britain, the Spit pilots say, when asked which machine was better, that it was mainly a question of the pilot not the machine, who won the fight.
Even in the - easy to fly - Spit, inexperienced pilots (near the end of the BoB) were shot down more often by the Me 109E pilots who had more experience with their machine But at the end of the war, when only new pilots were put in the Me, after far too few hours in the airplane, they were overwhelmed, many even killed themselves during take off or landing.
In your video, I should have liked to see it flown at top speed (1.4 MP, 2500 revs)= >600 km/h. After all, she was made to race. The later FW 190 was meant as a „workhorse“, meant for low level fighting as well as bombing. I am looking forward to see a video of the FW in MSFS. In P3D, it handles well (Classics Hangar).
Flying Iron is on a streak! What a beauty!
They sure are!
I do like when planes use km/h. It feels like it should be... (coming from old times ww2 german and Russian planes sim player). Also i adore their way of compass where you have north always up and the "toy plane" is moving around. Basically, its like the path on the map. If the little plane is going down that south.
The elevator trim, was actually the whole horizontal stabilizer itself, so at high speeds you'd turn the wheel and trim back for turning tight at higher speeds and then adjust it on the fly constantly in a dogfight etc. (DCS Experience)
Thanks for sharing your insights. This looks like a real challenge to master!
Many thanks! It certainly is and a worthy beast to tame!
The most beautiful fighter ever built. Enjoyed this video and your sense of humor added a special touch.
Ah many thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
oh the sound is much better than in DCS .. even it is a G6 and not K4.. I had the pleasure to hear the original BMW motor at Usedom HANGAR 10 in September 2019.
Amazing aircraft, amazing sound, amazing behavior! Really well done! One thing I noticed is when you put in full aileron left or right it clips a bit through the wing. Nothing major though… I just have to learn taking it off and landing it!!!
It’s a great challenge isn’t it! Very nicely modelled.
My umbrella only came out when it was raining…. Great video, looking forward to seeing you in the skies
🤣 many thanks!
Cracking video. Looking forward to getting this myself!
Many thanks!
Beautiful video😍
Many thanks!
It's absolutely fantastic isn't it! I'm having the same troubles with the loop but it's all part of the fun learning how fly the 109 properly 👍great video as always
Many thanks mate and completely agree. Would be boring of it was easy right? 🫡
18;42 I had that spinning issue too. You'll see the right rudder pedal oscillates when the parking brake is set, looks like the sim is reading conflicting control inputs, better to stomp on the brakes when running up even if the parking brake is set.
Yes will definitely be doing that in future!
you're a better man than I am Gunga Din --- a brave video - I'll have to wait for it on X Box
🤣🤣. Let me know how you get on when it gets there!
Great review! Do you get more features purchasing directly from Developer vs MSFS store?
Many thanks! The only real difference is that buying from MSFS marketplace anything that has weapons has them removed. You also tend to get updates quicker on the dev purchased versions.
Awesome, good info. Thank you!
Great stuff thoroughly enjoyed the video might have even learnt something. Fabulous.❤
Thank you mate! 🍻
What a beauty of an Aircraft
Did I see some parents in the crowd covering their children’s eyes as you taxied by? 😆 Thanks for another entertaining video. I’ve had a few takeoffs and landings in the 109 and I need loads more practice!
Many thanks! 🤣 yes I am looking forward to getting to grips with it.
21:20 do you fly DCS 109 and if yes can you compare the 2 in regards to ground handling but also flight dynamics? 26:25 LMAO
Sorry not flown it in DCS
Super!
Elevator authority was not something the 109 was known for. I admire your courage for looping it because I have spun it several times already. I think the sound is pretty good I do think the real-life 109 is more aggressive sounding. The 109 is definately one of the best sounding warbirds in real-life. Like with the corsair, you see so many pictures of the 109 nose planted because of the horrific landing gear geometry.
It is certainly a very interesting aeroplane go get to grips with 😀
Wasn't a third of production i.e. 10000+ aircraft written off in landing accidents? Could be 'fun'...!
@@markzzzz741 I believe it.
@@markzzzz741 wouldn’t surprise me!
@@Dreamsofwings The great thing is there is a Warbird for every taste now. You like elegance you got the Spitfire. You like nose wheels you got the P-38. You like toughness and durability you got the Hellcat. You like high-speed and a radial engine you got the Milviz Corsair. You like feisty and a b*tch to fly you got the 109.
The Hellcat is my favorite but I would die for an A6M Zero. Its an airplane that is so underrepresented in the sim community. X-Plane had a excellent freeware zero. Like the 109 it was a force to be reckoned with early in the war.
Learning to fly it. I assume they didn't have an altimeter or vsi.
kph is almost twice the knots, for some fast reference.
I realized by setting the Plug Fouling on a rocker switch on my Bravo Qaudrant, I was flying the whole time with Plug Fouling engaged. It made taxiing / groundwork easier and didn't seem to impact flying or cruise. The Lever on my 109 was popping in and out like it was automated/possessed! I have to look at that more closely.
Love that feature, just one of the new things to have to remember!
Was this airfield EGSU? I took a quick flight but didn't see all the other WWII aircraft that you show here. That's a very cool airport!! Is that some sort of add-on? Thanks for the great video? Cheers, John
Many thanks! Yes this is the fantastic EGSU Duxford Complete from ChicoMick ruclips.net/video/6W6PTM7St9Q/видео.html
@@Dreamsofwings thanks for the info. I’m thinking you may have bought this for your PC. I looked on the marketplace and couldn’t find it. Cheers and thanks for the great video.
@@johneckels3810 ah yes, this is free on flightsim.to but you need PC version to be able to install.
bloody brilliant me'old mucker! Looked like you nearly flipped a waspee on the cranberry juice pip pip tally bally Ho!
🤣🤣🤣 cheers fella, scary stuff
i think that red button right to magneto switch does the electric cutoff. pops off all the breakers related to power.
Ah I didn’t touch that. That button is used on starting to energise in this sim anyway. I’ll have to have another look.
Heard it's pretty insane in DCS as well
You had your tail wheel unlocked which is why it turned to the left during taxi.
You lock it with a lever on the left. Put it down and it will look like an L as in locked.
Ah, you locked it before take off. I propose locking it for taxiing when you want to go straight and only unlock for tighter turns.
And also use manual prop pitch in 12'o clock for taxi and take off and put to auto when airborne.
@@gunschel yes that is what I did
that was quick! day 1 1/2 awesome.
Thanks!
Of course in October 1997 a BF 109 crashed at Duxford whilst landing. Registration G-USTV cancelled by the CAA as "permanently Withdrawn from use" on 24/09/1998. In view of the rarity and historical significance of this airframe, it was repaired and rebuilt to static display standards as part of the IWM Duxford Collection and statically displayed at Duxford and at the RAF Museum Hendon, London
I kind of would prefer a F2 or F4 for the more pure 109 experience
For anyone wondering about how accurate the cockpit sounds are, they and can be cross-referenced with these videos from the real thing. I'd say they're spot on, from low idle all the way to full power.
ruclips.net/video/JGhMGQst4lo/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/jenWQy4Zm-w/видео.html
“Let’s have some brakage” haha
"Yellow nosed bastards at 12 o'clock!" - sorry, getting carried away! Love this, flown the 109 so much in IL2, so be super interesting to compare it to this one. Like you alluded to, you spend more time in IL2 trying to shoot down Ruskies than you do flying it properly.
Its definitely a handle! I seem to remember from the time I flew it that the 109 in IL2 was much easier to fly but I might be wrong!
@@Dreamsofwings yeah I think your probably right, the IL2 FM is quite generous
bought because of your review. wish me luck, my history with tail draggers is um... well just wish me luck :)
Best of luck! 💪🏻
so on the 5th failed circuit I figured out you have to slowly feed out the rudder as you pick up speed, if you stay hard right like it says in the checklist you will tip. just landings to figure out. I bounce soooooo much. I ended up going over the raised bank onto the road :)
@@andysim232 yes exactly, it is a case of finding the right rate of allowing rudder and stick to centre (with corrections of course) to keep it stable.
I know that full right boot and aileron gives you a pretty straight take off.
Yes my problem was I applied too much power too soon.
Another gem from the FI team, love the 109 and all its little quirks have been nicely modelled here, including the challenging takeoffs with the skinny undercarriage
It is certainly a winner!
My only bug with the aircraft is that the EFB screen is unusable. Not gamebreaking but i do have to remember some german.
Los despegues son brutales, si!😅😅😅
¡los despegues son como montarse en un caballo enojado y muy borracho!
109 pilots were not allowed to perform dives at all below a certain altitude; the heavy controls at high speeds are pretty notorious - not helped in the slightest by the fact the cockpit is too cramped to fully deflect the stick in the lateral axis!
Yes it def can’t have been easy!
Let's try with DCS 109.... 😉
Rarely use DCS I am afraid. Have heard it is easier than this one though.
The 109 on IL2 is easier..
In DCS the flying mode is a bit more complex, but like everything in the life, one have to learn.. After few hours of practice, takeoff and landings are a way to relax after the battles 😉
Maybe I missed it, but did you not try doing 1.42 ata?
At what stage of the flight?
@@Dreamsofwings any... I'm asking if your ever pushed the engine to 1.42ata during the flight?
@@Jbroker404 without re-watching I am really not sure. Why?
You sound like rotor sim pilot....what happened to him??😊😊😊😊
Someone else did say that a while ago 🤣
Is there a2a or just flying around sight seeing?
Do you mean air combat? No this is just a flying sim.
I'm not so sure about the sound from the cockpit. I'm sure it is accurate but it does sound like I am flying an old sewing machine.
As for elevator authority in the loop, I am no expert but I've had a good old go in her above Duxford, don't use full back stick and maybe, just maybe, use a bit of flap. I know that isn't a real life thing for most aircraft but you mentioned it too, it doesn't have a big wing area and relies on flaps and slats in order to turn at it's max rate. Not that you would turn and burn in a 109 in real life because it's a boomer zoomer, not a turner burner.
I’ve been seeing people saying it is accurate so I guess it’s just a different tone. I am new to the 109 coming from allied fighters so its all a new experience for me.
@@Dreamsofwings Nice video and it looks like a very interesting warbird for MSFS - I still am just used to those kind of planes in DCS and there the K-model seems to be much easier to fligh.
Maybe some cross checking with this real live footage could be helpful: ruclips.net/video/ERo0lTyUvOk/видео.html
It seems that pulling stick full back during taxi helps with ground handling - I am doing this when taxiing the K-version in DCS, too. And it looks like this pilot avoided a full loop and did just Immelmann-Loops - maybe for reasons ;)
Some more live footage - of course the G14 is a much more modern version, but great to watch the handling: ruclips.net/video/3A0AlepZY7c/видео.html
@@MichaelKnoblach_BA many thanks! Thanks for sharing that footage too. Will take a look. 🍻
What's the book speed for various aerobatics? For many types they have a fast minimum speed for manoeuvres.
@@markzzzz741 from the FI manual. Loop -480kph min, Roll -380 min, Half-roll off loop 550 min, climbing roll - 530 min
I accidentally made my canopy disappear
combat flight simulator when
How to get back the canopy after jettisoning it? It doesnt come back with new flights or even restarting the MSFS or computer..
iPAD under the seat.. found it, never mind :p
😉👍🏻
bf-109 is this a mod ?
Yes, from FlyingIron
@@Dreamsofwings for free ?
@@CyborgHunter-T800 no, have a look at the link in the description below
27:57 The video Starts here. Thank me later.
Some people might want more detail of what the aircraft is about and how it is started so no, the video starts at 00:00 lol
2 things bugger me in 2023, lack of motion blur for nose cones, and the lack of nice cameras to follow airplanes in msfs, companion airplane cameras are amazing for dynamic feeling, sometimes you want to look at planes and a cameraman following gives you that nice deep perception.
I certainly miss Parallel 42’s Chaseplane
She’s ridiculous on takeoff and landing but lovely airborne
@@CCitis very true!
No wonder that glorious and perfect country won the war. The German pilots were still going through the checklist on the ground when the Britwaffa flew past them and bombed all their stuff. All I can say really is ......
TALLY HO !!!!!!!
Beule
I am sure that it is wonderful and everyone is very pleased, but to me it looks a bit cartoonish.
In what way?
Where is the ashtray for the Stumpen Cigar ?
I have to admit it the BF109 G is the best all round aircraft fighter in WWII....sorry Spit & Hurricain ( my two favourites). Respect to the BF109, as the 109 will try killing on the ground and landing, but once up in the air with WEP....oh man, she's a beast....remember do nor reapeat errors.....but learn from history....
No it's not, the water cooled engine makes it fulnerable in air to ground combat. The FW 190 was a much better plane overall when we talk about German planes. The 109 just couldn't compete with the P51D, P47, late Spitfires and certainly not with the Sea Fury. The design of the 109 was just to old as an early pre-war bird. The high kill scores are only because of a few exceptional pilots like Hartman, Marseille, Galland and others.
BTW, the outside sounds are not well made. Here is the original sound of the Me 109G-6:
ruclips.net/video/b6Een3A2ptM/видео.html
i don't like nazis, so i don't like nazi planes either.
Bro it’s a machine it doesn’t hate
You have been awarded 10 Social Justice Points!
For the rest of us who aren’t into retarded politics, the German machines are fascinating.
And i don't give a fuck