What next?.... In my opinion, do exactly what you would have if you'd hit sub-3, as it was only bad luck you cramped up right at the end. If that means going for a 2:55 (or faster) at a spring marathon, then give it a go! Edinburgh is one to consider. The first few k are down hill, so you can ease into your pace nicely. Also, it's at the end of May, which allows for a nice long training block.
Thanks , I’m gonna go for around 2:57. I just haven’t even picked a spring marathon yet. Not sure what to do. Thinking about Boston Lincolnshire due to being fairly close.
Glad to see you BACK! Was getting a little worried there for a bit. And glad you are getting yourself back on the horse. Very much an inspiration for a guy with sub 4hr 2024 aspirations. Cheers!
Glad to see you are back. Take a look at the boom Advanced Marathoning by Pete Pfitzinger. After Higdon I moved to those plans and saw big improvement.
@@TheWu if you pick the right mileage for you and stick to the recommended paces I found it quite doable. He only has 1 workout a week usually. The medium long run in the middle of the week in addition to the weekend long run gives you so much strength to hold paces in a race.
Nice video as always Will, loved the Amsterdam series! If you're marathon shopping around the spring months I would suggest looking into the Copenhagen marathon. Very flat as you would expect in Copenhagen :))
I went to that temple in 2010, brought back some great memories of Hong Kong, fantastic place. Good luck with the next half/marathon, you will definitely crack the 3hr. Your struggles are inspiring!
Get yourself signed up for Paris and I can maybe try to cling to your coat tail. Paris is a potentially quick course with good support. I ran it in 2016 and going back in April. The first 10k was always a quick gradual downhill which jas now been changed slightly for a short detour through the Louvre Museum grounds. Most of the rest is pretty flat apart from the up and downs through the underpasses along the Seine (around 25k to 30k if memory serves me correct). You then used to have the tough part after the Eiffel Tower, the Parc des Princes and Roland Garros when you ran through the large park (Bois de Boulogne) for somewhere around 7k or so before heading towards the Finish on Avenue de Foch. The problem with Bois de Boulogne was that all of the support disappeared on that section of the course just when you perhaps needed it most. The last few years they have taken most of this section out and taken you back onto the City streets where there is more support. Paris is definitely a course that you can run a potentially quick time on - good support and a very large event where you will have a lot of good runners around you. Not many pinch points on the course as there are some courses with sharp turns or narrower roads.
I looked at Paris, I'm still looking at possible marathons and also weighing up the costs. Paris looks good but just thinking it's one of the harder courses to choose from. So the course has changed for 2024? Do you know what the total elevation gain is?
@@TheWu The course is the same as 2023 but I think that there were changes to the older course around 2022 or 2023. The best elevation stats that I can find are as follows; Elevation gain = 474 feet Elevation Loss = 443 feet Minimum Elevation = 99 feet Maximum Elevation = 227 feet ( so 126 feet or (38 metres between lowest and highest points of the course). My mate whose Strava I have just taken a look at (who ran it this year) clocked 545 feet of elevation gain and 233 feet was what he registered as the max elevation point of the course. Like I said, if you know Paris at all then most of the elevation from what I remember (prior to the course changes) was just the up and down passing under the tunnels alongside the river (25 to 30k).
I would definitely look into boston lincolnshire because of how flat it is! It has something like 12ft of elevation. The only thing is that you're on your own for the majority as it's not a big marathon and there is very little crowd support. But it definitely will increase your chances for sub 3!
Yea I think it’s the flattest marathon in Uk. But people have said if it’s windy along the openness of the countryside , plus being really quiet it could make it not that good. But I’m going to look at some vlogs for it for sure.
Hi Will, great video, good idea to use the temple as the setting for the AMS analysis. I went to support a friend at Manchester in April but didn’t know of you then. I think Manchester is the place, flat, nice course and tons of support around the course. I’ll most likely be there again (I cycled around the course to cheer people on, great day😊). You’ll do sub-3, no question✅I’ve set up my own channel now, not in your league but I’m learning😀
@@TheWu Good morning Will, hope you do choose Manchester and I know it’s not completely flat (Altrincham) but the support is massive which might be the X factor from km35💪. Appreciate your interest in my channel😀
Looks a nice place up there 😀 When I finally go to Hong Kong one day, its on my list. Edinburgh might be an option for you with the first 10k downhill but I don't like the last 12k or so where it looks flat but it meanders and undulates so it's tough to maintain a rythum. Manchester's way better
Yea not sure I fancy Edinburgh I watched some vlogs already on that one. Manchester is probably the best but just having run it twice already it’s a bit boring.
Great positive vibes mate. I think Manchester is a good shout as apparently it's apparently mostly flat? I'm all signed up for Manchester for my first full marathon😳
Wicked first marathon. I hope it goes well and starts a long journey for future marathons! I have run it twice already it’s good but because I’ve done it twice it might be a bit boring for me to do it 3 times!
@@rodlambert1425 Right up to the end of the Amstel section - I think about 27-28k, it was extremely crowded for me. There were 3 sub-3 pacers I believe, 2 of them were about 5 mins up on schedule at 27/28k and seemed to be slowing back to like 4:25-30 min/km pace when I caught them. It caused huge crowding with faster runners catching up to and trying to pass the big pace groups running slower than target pace. There was some jostling and like streams of faster runners, which you had to jump in to and stay in to make it past. I saw a couple of fallers, which is mad at that stage of a marathon. Don't know whether to blame the course or the pacers. But there were a few sections where it narrowed to 1 lane without advanced warning and we had to sort our positioning pretty sharply. This race tested spatial awareness more than any other I've done! But it was really fun
You have GOT THIS!!
Hopefully haha 5th time lucky.
Found your channel recently , binge watching all your content . Keep up the good work 👍
Glad you found me and even better you are enjoying the content my friend 🙏🏽
What next?.... In my opinion, do exactly what you would have if you'd hit sub-3, as it was only bad luck you cramped up right at the end. If that means going for a 2:55 (or faster) at a spring marathon, then give it a go! Edinburgh is one to consider. The first few k are down hill, so you can ease into your pace nicely. Also, it's at the end of May, which allows for a nice long training block.
Thanks , I’m gonna go for around 2:57. I just haven’t even picked a spring marathon yet. Not sure what to do. Thinking about Boston Lincolnshire due to being fairly close.
Glad to see you BACK! Was getting a little worried there for a bit. And glad you are getting yourself back on the horse. Very much an inspiration for a guy with sub 4hr 2024 aspirations. Cheers!
Awesome let’s hope. Sub 3 for me is on the cards and you a sub 4 in 2024!
Basically you are a shoe in to go sub 3 in Manchester next year. Bring on the training vlogs, fire up.
Yea it will be another training vlog but most likely not cover week to week. It will be more life vlogging and the cover the odd session of the week.
Glad to see you are back. Take a look at the boom Advanced Marathoning by Pete Pfitzinger. After Higdon I moved to those plans and saw big improvement.
Thanks I took a look. It seems to say the plans are not for the faint hearted! They look quite hard
@@TheWu if you pick the right mileage for you and stick to the recommended paces I found it quite doable. He only has 1 workout a week usually. The medium long run in the middle of the week in addition to the weekend long run gives you so much strength to hold paces in a race.
Nice video as always Will, loved the Amsterdam series! If you're marathon shopping around the spring months I would suggest looking into the Copenhagen marathon. Very flat as you would expect in Copenhagen :))
Thanks 🙏🏽 I’ll check it out. The only issue with these overseas ones is the potential cost.
Yeah Copenhagen was great this year apart from it not being a cheap one and it was a hot day (far too hot for a Brit to be running Marathons in).
Your a legend!! Keep building those blocks. You will smash 3:00 when it’s time.
Thanks mate. Yea 2024 is gonna be the year!
I went to that temple in 2010, brought back some great memories of Hong Kong, fantastic place.
Good luck with the next half/marathon, you will definitely crack the 3hr. Your struggles are inspiring!
Yea I really also like the area of Sha Tin. It’s quiet and has some good running routes.
Get yourself signed up for Paris and I can maybe try to cling to your coat tail. Paris is a potentially quick course with good support. I ran it in 2016 and going back in April. The first 10k was always a quick gradual downhill which jas now been changed slightly for a short detour through the Louvre Museum grounds. Most of the rest is pretty flat apart from the up and downs through the underpasses along the Seine (around 25k to 30k if memory serves me correct). You then used to have the tough part after the Eiffel Tower, the Parc des Princes and Roland Garros when you ran through the large park (Bois de Boulogne) for somewhere around 7k or so before heading towards the Finish on Avenue de Foch. The problem with Bois de Boulogne was that all of the support disappeared on that section of the course just when you perhaps needed it most. The last few years they have taken most of this section out and taken you back onto the City streets where there is more support.
Paris is definitely a course that you can run a potentially quick time on - good support and a very large event where you will have a lot of good runners around you. Not many pinch points on the course as there are some courses with sharp turns or narrower roads.
I looked at Paris, I'm still looking at possible marathons and also weighing up the costs. Paris looks good but just thinking it's one of the harder courses to choose from. So the course has changed for 2024? Do you know what the total elevation gain is?
@@TheWu The course is the same as 2023 but I think that there were changes to the older course around 2022 or 2023.
The best elevation stats that I can find are as follows;
Elevation gain = 474 feet
Elevation Loss = 443 feet
Minimum Elevation = 99 feet
Maximum Elevation = 227 feet ( so 126 feet or (38 metres between lowest and highest points of the course). My mate whose Strava I have just taken a look at (who ran it this year) clocked 545 feet of elevation gain and 233 feet was what he registered as the max elevation point of the course.
Like I said, if you know Paris at all then most of the elevation from what I remember (prior to the course changes) was just the up and down passing under the tunnels alongside the river (25 to 30k).
Hopefully see you in Manchester again next April!
Maybe 🤔 not sure it would be the 3rd time if I did!
Happy to see you back 😊
I’m running a half in Thailand on 11/19 too! Woohoo~ (in Bangkok) 🎉
Good luck haha so hot in bangkok !
@@TheWu thanks! You too! We start at 3am. Hope I can stay awake that late
I would definitely look into boston lincolnshire because of how flat it is! It has something like 12ft of elevation. The only thing is that you're on your own for the majority as it's not a big marathon and there is very little crowd support. But it definitely will increase your chances for sub 3!
Yea I think it’s the flattest marathon in Uk. But people have said if it’s windy along the openness of the countryside , plus being really quiet it could make it not that good. But I’m going to look at some vlogs for it for sure.
Hi Will, great video, good idea to use the temple as the setting for the AMS analysis. I went to support a friend at Manchester in April but didn’t know of
you then. I think Manchester is the place, flat, nice course and tons of support around the course. I’ll most likely be there again (I cycled around the course to cheer people on, great day😊). You’ll do sub-3, no question✅I’ve set up my own channel now, not in your league but I’m learning😀
Hi Andy, thanks for the comment. I’ll give channel At look and sub mate.
@@TheWu Good morning Will, hope you do choose Manchester and I know it’s not completely flat (Altrincham) but the support is massive which might be the X factor from km35💪. Appreciate your interest in my channel😀
Looks a nice place up there 😀 When I finally go to Hong Kong one day, its on my list. Edinburgh might be an option for you with the first 10k downhill but I don't like the last 12k or so where it looks flat but it meanders and undulates so it's tough to maintain a rythum. Manchester's way better
Yea not sure I fancy Edinburgh I watched some vlogs already on that one. Manchester is probably the best but just having run it twice already it’s a bit boring.
Great positive vibes mate. I think Manchester is a good shout as apparently it's apparently mostly flat? I'm all signed up for Manchester for my first full marathon😳
Wicked first marathon. I hope it goes well and starts a long journey for future marathons! I have run it twice already it’s good but because I’ve done it twice it might be a bit boring for me to do it 3 times!
Barcelona marathon next for me then 4 weeks later Brighton
Barcelona is hilly?
@@TheWu not sure
Vienna 2024 is calling 😉
I must agree that Amsterdam felt very crowded and narrow in parts.
100% agree. Only noticed it opening up after 21k which was frustrating.
@@rodlambert1425 Right up to the end of the Amstel section - I think about 27-28k, it was extremely crowded for me. There were 3 sub-3 pacers I believe, 2 of them were about 5 mins up on schedule at 27/28k and seemed to be slowing back to like 4:25-30 min/km pace when I caught them. It caused huge crowding with faster runners catching up to and trying to pass the big pace groups running slower than target pace. There was some jostling and like streams of faster runners, which you had to jump in to and stay in to make it past. I saw a couple of fallers, which is mad at that stage of a marathon.
Don't know whether to blame the course or the pacers. But there were a few sections where it narrowed to 1 lane without advanced warning and we had to sort our positioning pretty sharply. This race tested spatial awareness more than any other I've done! But it was really fun
I’ll have a look at Vienna thanks.
For me the crowded parts were just near the begging really. I decided not to run near the sub 3 pack for this race.
I'm over there in January and am doing the HK half marathon - have you run it before ?
No but I’m told it’s a big event. Should be quite a exciting experience. I haven’t run a marathon in Asia yet but would love too one day!