I own Bluetti PV200 panels & there's some very important info you need before purchasing. 1) PV200s aren't rated to endure rain. Yes, that's true. Kinda spoils their usefulness. 2) Dust clings to the face of these panels & it has to be scrubbed off. Remember #1 & don't use a hose to spray off the panels. 3) Bird droppings will eat right through the clear plastic skin on the surface of the panels & expose the cells to water intrusion. 4) Bluetti's forum says these panels are not designed to be left out in the elements for long periods, & if you need panels to leave outside, buy standard rigid panels not these. They don't warn you of any of these drawbacks until after you buy them.
Great info - thanks!! Although I am heavily invested in the EcoFlow ecosystem, I must caution people considering the EcoFlow 220W Bifacial (rigid) panel you tested. In my opinion it is VERY fragile and not appropriate for mobile use (camping, Overlanding, etc) - mine cracked when folding it up and placing it back in the storage bag!
Thanks for your hard work. I had an EcoFlow 220 Bifacial folding. Screen cracked within the month and it was very heavy & awkward to move around. Eco was very helpful and accepted the return.
This panel can put out close to 100 watts ruclips.net/user/postUgkxOqI2yqX0XVrhR2BMJciTWrHJpG8FhJyg when positioned in the appropriate southernly direction, tilted to the optimal angle for your latitude/date, and connected to a higher capacity device than a 500. The built in kickstand angle is a fixed at 50 degrees. Up to 20% more power can be output by selecting the actual date and latitude optimal angle.The 500 will only input 3.5A maximum at 18 volts for 63 watts. Some of the excess power from the panel can be fed into a USB battery bank, charged directly from the panel while also charging a 500. This will allow you to harvest as much as 63 + 15 = 78 watts.If this panel is used to charge a larger device, such as the power station, then its full output potential can be realized.
Just so you know why no reply and response from Jason. He must have put this on a scheduled release as he's up in the mountains camping with his family and having fun with his equipment!!!! I'm sure he will get back to replying to the comments Sunday night or Monday.
Lol. Salesmen. You can find 5-6 year old 200-250 watt panels today for less than $75 that are still full output. Less if you are buying by the pallet. And even new retail price by the pallet today is less than 55 cents a watt per panel.
Excellent and timely information. I own 2x Ecoflow 220 bifacial panels and never disappoint. Awesome performance. Their 160w panels are great. Based on your testing, I bought several Elcaenta 120w panels for light camping and love the performance
Yay!!!! Thank you so much for doing this Jason and Jeff! Just getting started on solar and purchased a off brand CROS 200 watt foldable panel for 149.00 and thought I would give it a try. Thanks for being patient with my loads of questions for you. I appreciate you time and effort in doing your testing and sharing specific results. With Amazon Prime day just passed, it would be interesting to hear people’s comments on what they bought in a 200 watt and their likes and dislikes. Thanks Jason and Jeff!
I have tested a lot of 200 watt folding solar panels solar panels and so far the Lipower and Jackerys worked the best for me. The EBL and Bluetti were pretty descent too. I need to start adding the wattage per sq. in. for better info. The Allpowers was a very nice panel in all aspects too, especially on price (beware Allpowers makes two types of solar panels, the one in this video being the better one).
Such an epic video! I really appreciate all the work and technical expertise that both you Jason and Jeff put into this video! Kudos! I love all the graphs!!!!
I own the Allpowers 200W and it started degrading quickly after few uses. Never been dropped, never see rain.... I can barely get 99 watts at full sun, dropping at 30W when a cloud shows up. Amazon reviews are saying that I am not the only one experiencing that. NOT RECOMMENDED
Nice testing. Something that might be nice to add, even though it's likely subjective, is durability (perhaps suggested by the materials used). That may be where a good portion of the money is going, not into raw output. One could argue that a panel that still works perfectly after a year of monthly camping trips is worth a lot more than a panel that has suffered a 30% power drop after only a few weekends in the sun. Trying to add that into the mix, and based on past good results, I'd probably personally go with Elecaenta, and give Ecoflow serious consideration despite the price. On another note, that battery looked huge. My big Prime Days pick-up was a small form-factor 200AH LiFePO4 battery (yes, the Delta 2 Max was tempting).
It's hard to keep the video balanced between providing too much information and too little info. Thanks for the feedback, I'll keep that in mind for the next video I do this type of thing.
This is a very good point. In my reviews I try to add the durability in, but until you use the panel for a while, it is just too subjective to be accurate. But I always keep my reviews up to date if anything happens in the future (but many of the panels never get used again so this is not the best method).
I really think, depsite my reservations, the ecoflow panels are the best long term panel. Its durable, water proof, minimalistic, less parts to worry about, etc. While these other panels are doing well in shade, the EF still does better overall in cloudy weather, and that's another condition that needs its own testing. Eventually, partial shading tests will be a comparison of % drop, not whether the panels are dead panels. If panels start getting bifacial technology as a standard, then ecoflow might have some competition. But I think we're a few years from that.
As always great video. I bought the 220 bifacial ecoflow panels during prime time. I bought two of them and I tried to use your code but was not allowed. Anywho I can't wait to receive them and connect both of them in parallel. You have been and continue to be a great mentor. Thank you!
I have a Bluetti and two Allpowers POLYcrystalline, excellent price (often $200-250 with the frequent deals), and I have seen 190 watts in on all of them on good days here in Florida. Bluetti may last longer, but I needed several 200W panels for my units and the lower price for Allpowers polycrystalline really helped!! Watch for their flash sales and lighning deals, I just kept watching and got what I needed.
This is really amazing. When you have a small budget and want high production, and your willing to deal with heaviness of the panels, Baldr is a great option. When your budget isn't restricted, you can choose maximum production in all conditions. You have made it possible for those of us following this series to make good choices for our needs. In addition, I would like to see what the payback schedule is for each of the panels. What do I mean? How much is purchasing electricity from the grid per kWh? What is the equivalent value for each panel, saved, and how long will it take to break even? 1.Payback Schedule only the panels 2. Payback Schedule including panel and your simple set up, charge controller and Lifepo battery Some people may need to buy a complete system, while other people already invested and are looking to just upgrade their panels. P.S. BougeRV Yuma 200 watt panels weigh 6lbs.
This is very well made critical and down to earth test and detailed analysis. I have been looking forward to something of this nature to be able to make better choice of solar panel. Thank you very much Jason and Jeff.
Great video. Like the frame for the panel. Keeps the testing even. I know the bowing of these panels and the legs placement can make them pretty uneven.
Pannel durability is very important. Its worth the extra weight and cost if the pannel lasts longer, Especially when opening and closing. Enviromental rating, Warranty and customer support very important, While I enjoyed this video and am thankful, we dont have a good picture yet.
Excellent review and comparison…clear and process equitable and with terrific technical analysis. Far beyond what many of us can do as we do not have the equipment or knowledge. I have 3 of the Bluetti PV 200 panels (bundled price with the AC200P) and I am glad to know their performance is very good, even though prices are higher than several other panels tested.
This was one of the most comprehensive tests I've seen, thank you! I did have a question about construction and durability. With these portable units I really don't want to have one that is fragile or low quality. Additionally, the ease of angle adjustment with the built in panel supports. I realize these are more subjective but it would be valuable to know. Thanks!
So glad I bought the Eco Flow On Amazon prime day, it was a fantastic deal especially with putting out 190 W for a 220 W solar panel. Eco Flow Makes one of the only portable foldable glass panels out there. #HighQualityAllTheWay.
The Grecell 200W Pro Flexible Foldable IP65 water resistant monocrystalline solar panel made with advanced laminated technology and long-lasting ultra-light ETFE material on the surface and weighing only 10 pounds is like light years technology ahead of the panels in your test. Just thought I would point this out. - - Love mine!
Excellent data, thanks! One concern towards accuracy about partial shade - it’s suspect that the only panel that had cardboard covering an entire section top to bottom, was the one with zero wattage in “partial shade”. On my panels, the whole parallel vs series distinction manifests when an entire section is covered (ie, folding over one of the ends). On cheaper panels, this causes the whole output to stop, whereas a better panel still functions. So I think covering an entire section is essential to accurately test the partial shade situation (such as a tree shadow moving from the side and completely covering an end section of panel.), not just a blob of shadow in the middle. Maybe you did that, but as I played back the partial shade portions, the only one with top to bottom section coverage was also the only one that failed that test. Thank you so much for the graphs! Quality data delivery.
It doesn't matter how much of the panel covered if they are wired in series. I could have just covered 25% of that one panel and it would have dropped all the way down as well. I see the same thing on my larger solar arrays. Shade one corner of the panel and lose 95% of the power, that's the downside of wiring in series.
Hah! A classic HP Calculator. That rocks! My current setup was to get a 100w foldable and a 100w panel for < 200$ and I'm getting about 175w with my testing. For me it's more than I need for my power station. Well done review and the test setup is impressive.
Nice. I got my second Allpowers 200 watt panel on Black Friday for $199 plus tax, making $1.30/watt before tax. This is the second one I’ve got. Got the first one last year’s Prime Day. It’s a little flimsy but it rocks for the price. I also have a Bluetti 200 Watt panel, which is a lot sturdier, but twice the cost, even on sale. The Allpowers goes on sale pretty frequently. One thing you guys could have gone into is what cables it comes with. The Allpowers has a bunch of different cables, though the wire gauge is a bit thinner than Bluetti.
Looks like the Oukitel panel might be the best match for Bluetti AC180 solar generators since AC180s have a 10amp solar input cap. A couple of the other panels out there that pull in more watts might be hampered by the AC180's MPPT controller since they exceeded 10amps to get their higher watt outputs, and costs $50 less than the Bluetti 200watt panels but only tested 4 amps lower which might just be instance variance. (This includes considering panels in other reviews than this one as well.) But the Bluetti 200watt seems like it gets you the most if cost is not a major factor, but at more than 10% savings per panel over the Bluetti, the Oukitel 200watt sounds pretty decent to me.
If you're willing to go with a refurb, NewEgg has Refurb Bluetti PV350 panels for $428, and the PV350 panels stay under the 10amp limitation of the AC180, netting you ~200-330watts for less than the $449 discounted price of the Bluetti PV200 panels. (Though the NewEgg refurb 200watt Bluetti panel is going for only $299 if you are satisfied with getting ~169watts) 🤓
Great efforts very good and informative video. Not the normal payed commercial video from most of other channels. Well done please continue like this 🙏
This is by far the best panel comparison I've seen. Clearly a lot of work and prep went into this and I'm getting my panels though Jasons affiliate links so he can keep doing these vids.
Very informative but the cost data is just for reference as it fluctuates a lot. I am very happy that the Ecoflow bifacial is a good performer and it only costed me $240 in a bundle. Thank you very much for the great test and video.
Great video and very fair test :) P.S. Videos like this give everybody a real time honest test of all the panels. And that is crucial information to the consumer !!!!! P.P.S. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO JASONOID, YOU HELP US ALL LEARN TOGETHER AS A TEAM :) THUMBS UP PEOPLE !!!!! side note: Companies that wired their panels in "reversed polarity" is the most frustrating learning curve for most new users :(
For RVs, where storage space is at a premium, it would be nice to know the folded dimensions in addition to the weight. Thanks for the detailed comparison!
a commercial solar panel test would be good, too. I wouldn’t use any of these flimsey panels for an off grid setup. For a robust offgrid setup, solar panels should have a frame that you can attach to your roof, or solar stand. Take into consideration wind, hail, and temperature efficiencies as well. A hot solar panel will not perform as well. These folding panels are more for an RV, portability, and I certainly wouldn’t use any of these for a permanent setup. cheers from 🇨🇦
Thanks for the video, jasonoid! The data makes it very helpful to make an informed decision. Would be helpful to see a comparison using their native stands to compare setup, peak watts, and partial shading output, like what you did for the 400w panel video. Wondering how much impact each stand design would make the in real world.
Great video. I loved seeing the HP 11C (or is it a 15C) calculator! That was the very first calculator I purchased. My brother was a summer hire at the HP plant in Corvallis, OR when it was released.
Great video. I understand this video focuses on overall power wattage, but would’ve been nice to have the IP (waterproofing) rating listed as well. The Eco Flow is IP68, meaning it’s a fully waterproof rated panel. However, I do own this panel and agree it’s a pain to set up, the long cables hanging off are awkward and don’t see it as a good use case for mobile travel. I’m surprised the Jackery Solar Saga 200 wasn’t included in this review. This panel is also IP68 and considered the direct competitor to the EcoFlow panel in this video. I’m interested in buying the Jackery Solar Saga 200, but am confused on what type of adapter I need to connect a traditional MC4 cable to it. Any insight would be appreciated. Overall, good review.
Jackery power stations use an 8020mm barrel plug for solar. They also don't make any adapters to MC4 so you'll have to purchase something online to make it work.
@@Jasonoid I found some adapters on Amazon that appear to have good reviews. Are you concerned that there may be some form of efficiency loss when using an adapter? Is that why Jackery wasn’t included on this analysis?
@@kyle6703 that's not a concern. I'm just worried their panels might not perform well. They weren't interested in having their solar panels compared to other brands and they are expensive. Im not sure how well they perform in real world testing, no one ever shows actual wattage numbers when testing their panels 😅
AS IF !!! I weren't CONFUSSED already !! I'm gonna have to save it and spend many a long afternoon deciphering/digesting it all . AND THEN !!! I'm gonna have to figure out how much (+25%) I actually need ! Is there any "turnkey" system that you'd recommend ? I've no idea how to begin THAT challenge !!!! Don't get me wrong ! This is the most concise/ informative coverage I've seen . Thank You !
excellent test a lot of amateur radio operators on youtube push the Power Film Solar Panels, but they are expensive. would like to know how they stack up against these. I wouldn't think they are that much worth the extra cost. the Baldr would be my choice with its price and performance value.
Jason is there a 200 watt panel in any combination that will max out delta 2, 500 watt, 60 volts, 15 amp parameters without going over in volts or amps?
The 180w Newpowa panels will get the full 500 watts without going over 60v. I'm pretty sure I linked them below in the video description. They have a VOC under 20v so they can be wired in a 3S config.
Rightfully impressed as I am an Electrical Contractor now retired! I bought the Ecoflow 220W prior to this video but received it a couple of days ago! I have connected it to my new Bluetti AC 180. I live unfortunately in a Condo so although I face South I only get full sunlight (if that) for a few hours in the day! The maximum output from the panel even with mirrors on my balcony is about 30W FROM A 250w BIFACIAL PANEL! I am trying to improve in that at the moment but the sun follows the line of the back wall of the Condo from left to right so, if I can't hang my panel 3 metres from my balcony railing I am not in full sun! So what is my question? What fixed panel of high wattage and smallest size (Thin and tall or fat and short ) with low light works best in low light or partial (ambient light ) conditions! I will trey o find a fixed panel with high output at 10A MAX 60voc to fit in direct sunlight where my A/C COMPRESSORS ARE. Area is 2.3 M Heigh x .9 M Wide with high wattage output! Any suggestions welcome!
You might have better luck with smaller panels in parallel. Have you seen the Sunpower Flex 50 panels before? They are super, thin, lightweight and compact. If you get some of those smaller panels and wire them in parallel that will help with the partial shading.
Ill have to think of doing that next time, thanks! Glass panels are heavier but take up a similar total area. A 100w panel gets around 85 to 95 watts in perfect conditions.
I am no electrician, or solar expert, but the VCU looked to be the only panel where you covered the middle from top to bottom completely. You expressed that if you didn't do this it was generating more power. I would've liked to see if the other ones also cut to zero if you had panels completely cut off from left to right with a middle shade. Nice video though. appreciate the graphs and the many comparisons.
Once you get more experience you'll see that any series connection you have in solar you'll see the same results. It would have also lost full power if I shaded 25% of one of the panels. I should have demonstrated that in the video as well.
Awesome, thank you. Just got the Elecaenta 200w on sale. I am just getting into solar, Great video, subscribed. Now for a, generator / powerbank. Liking the Ecoflow Delta 2 MAX
Meanwhile you can buy residential solar retail by the pallet for between 45-55 cents a watt today. In panels from 400-450watts. Or you can find 5-6 year old 200 watt panels that are still full output for less than $75. Utilities are swapping out all over the place for higher output panels today.
This isn't about lugging around a huge glass panel, obviously those are cheaper and WAY better for long term use and durability... These folding panels are for people who want a lightweight portable option.
The Baldr 120w panel is rugged and affordable. I've had my panels in the rain multiple times and they still are putting out power like day one when I purchased them. I think you'd like those.
You guys did all the work for us. Excellent comparison test. Jerry must be an engineer ... I see an HP calculator that I used in college and professionally later in my career. I also have an HP-45 that replaced the slide rule I used in my freshman year. That really goes way back. Anyway, you guys really did a pretty job. The cost analysis was pretty helpful too.
Great info, thank you! for the cost vs wattage comparison graph should off used the secondary axis for the cost, that way it would look better graphically
Bluetti replaced my AC200P under warranty because the screen failed to come on. Now my three sp200 solar panel have failed, but they are out of warranty. Under full sun, there is no voltage out. Any suggestions?
Try a 220 watt Off Grid TREK solar BLANKET. Expensive but folds to the size of a laptop and 4 inches thick Made with SUN POWER flexible thin film panels on a VERY durable 3" X 6" vinyl backing. I use mine cable locked to my SUV roof and charging my BLUETTI AC200 MAX LFP power center battery. This system runs my ICECO freezer/cooler all day and charges my bike in the evening day after day.
PECRON 200 WATT?? Been waiting on this video to make my decision on what 200 watt panel to get for the Pecron E600LFP I just purchased. Ive been debating on the Pecron for $299 and the ALL POWERS that $231 right now. Any chance the Pecron will be tested anytime soon?
Really great video and with all the data you have you should be easily capable to calculate the ROI. Personally for me that would be the score to look at as starting point . I did a mat and with the actual energy cost as cheaper the panel, as better ROI you get as long as the watt result between the panels are so close between each other.
Very good review thank you helped me a lot . I have the AP here on sale so cost per is a little better , I think it’s good value on sale not at full price . Eco flow and bluetti maybe my other options for me in the UK . I’m in the market for a new power station as well , I may go for the Bohmer unsure if you have them anymore .,. Thanks 👍
I'm relatively new to portable solar. How much consideration needs to be put into what you're connecting the panel to? I have an Jackery Explorer 300 for camping, but had my eye on an Anker Solix as a bigger option. Are most DC inputs the same, will I need to buy adaptors, or do most panels come with the necessary connectors to work with most things? Appreciated this vid. Gave me a lot to consider.
I’m glad to see watts per pound data given on the screen shots, although you did not give a bar graph comparison. Schlepping these in and out of the car, I want the weight to be worthwhile.
The only way to truly compare them is by hooking them all up at the same time. 100% identical conditions. Best value is highest output, always. It’s not about the money but about energy. You just get more.
Thank you for you comparison. It would have been very helpful if you measured the amount of sun light that was falling onto the panels. Most of the better quality panels have their output rated at 1000 Watts per square metre at 25 degrees Celsius and also include the output for higher panel temperatures. This makes it very easy to test as my weather station state the amount of sun light radiation. I wonder if any of the panels you tested supplied performance data? It seems to me that large proportion of the panels you tested grossly overrate their output. I have been using a 175 Watt Victrion blue solar panel and it does what is stated on the panel. It does put out 175 Watts and often a bit more.
Great data and info! I get wanting the portability of these, but the cost just makes me lug around a 220w bifacial Renogy instead which I got for $240. LOL.
For any stationary setup I prefer glass rigid panels since they offer a much better value for the money. Rigid panels will also last much longer. They work well for roof mount setups on a truck or a ground mount but I won't be hauling one of those around my camp, they also take up so much more space. Both types of panels have their purpose and I like to use both.
@@Jasonoid Totally, I just figure I'd end up breaking these flexible ones or the wind will! Do you have a sense of how durable they are? Rigid ones have warranties of like 25 years... these often only 1 year. If that.
Great Informative video .. I wish I had watched this before buying the "cheaper" DOKIO 220w -- a panel kit with controller for $200 .. hope I did not waste my money. Again, great presentation thanks
I got really close to adding that information, really close! Haha, I even have the Sq ft per panel in the specs, I just didn't go to the next step and make the graph. Sorry man!
@@Jasonoid I shared with you, to the email listed in your youtube profile, a sheet I remembered I had whipped up to compare specs during the Glacier/Wave/D2M releases, there are some formulas for EcoFlow panels for area/W/ft/m. It's called "Ecoflow Data/pricing" maybe those formulas would be helpful
I got this video as well for 400w panels: ruclips.net/video/Y2uhKnHIUl4/видео.html But this is my new favorite 400w panel: ruclips.net/video/6XC0HSPMfJQ/видео.html
If they were all wired in series and all the system components and wire could handle the super high voltage, you could use 10awg wire. Amperage/current is what melts wires, and wiring those panels in one long series string would only have around 10 amps going through it and a ton of volts.
@@Jasonoid that is correct and it is the reason for having a 500VDC solar input in residential power stations with battery backup. Not sure if you've seen them.
How have the common power stations been holding up with use and storage. I use three GoLabs 300 constantly. Full charge to zero as I rotate them, after almost two years so far so good.
I don't have a video on the wooden solar stand. I just put a couple 2x3X8's in parallel and then I connected them with a couple horizontal supports. It worked well for the testing.
I own Bluetti PV200 panels & there's some very important info you need before purchasing. 1) PV200s aren't rated to endure rain. Yes, that's true. Kinda spoils their usefulness. 2) Dust clings to the face of these panels & it has to be scrubbed off. Remember #1 & don't use a hose to spray off the panels. 3) Bird droppings will eat right through the clear plastic skin on the surface of the panels & expose the cells to water intrusion. 4) Bluetti's forum says these panels are not designed to be left out in the elements for long periods, & if you need panels to leave outside, buy standard rigid panels not these.
They don't warn you of any of these drawbacks until after you buy them.
That's why I coat my panels with ceramic. Hydrophobic to elements dust and bird droppings. 100 percent protected against dust. Prob solved.
@george230 how long have yours endured with the coating and what brand did you buy?
Thats good to know. Bought mine for 125€ on sale and all the other ones where close to 400 where I live.
My three 200 watt Bluetti panels failed after over a year of outside use! What is it that causes the failure and can it be repaired?
Great info - thanks!!
Although I am heavily invested in the EcoFlow ecosystem, I must caution people considering the EcoFlow 220W Bifacial (rigid) panel you tested. In my opinion it is VERY fragile and not appropriate for mobile use (camping, Overlanding, etc) - mine cracked when folding it up and placing it back in the storage bag!
Thank you for the feedback! Valuable information!
I was wondering about that. I think I would only buy bifacial panels if they are rigid.
Thanks for your hard work. I had an EcoFlow 220 Bifacial folding. Screen cracked within the month and it was very heavy & awkward to move around. Eco was very helpful and accepted the return.
This panel can put out close to 100 watts ruclips.net/user/postUgkxOqI2yqX0XVrhR2BMJciTWrHJpG8FhJyg when positioned in the appropriate southernly direction, tilted to the optimal angle for your latitude/date, and connected to a higher capacity device than a 500. The built in kickstand angle is a fixed at 50 degrees. Up to 20% more power can be output by selecting the actual date and latitude optimal angle.The 500 will only input 3.5A maximum at 18 volts for 63 watts. Some of the excess power from the panel can be fed into a USB battery bank, charged directly from the panel while also charging a 500. This will allow you to harvest as much as 63 + 15 = 78 watts.If this panel is used to charge a larger device, such as the power station, then its full output potential can be realized.
Just so you know why no reply and response from Jason. He must have put this on a scheduled release as he's up in the mountains camping with his family and having fun with his equipment!!!! I'm sure he will get back to replying to the comments Sunday night or Monday.
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So much beneficial information! And all in one video! Thank you for all the work you guys put into this. Appreciate you both, Jason and Jeff!!
Lol. Salesmen. You can find 5-6 year old 200-250 watt panels today for less than $75 that are still full output. Less if you are buying by the pallet. And even new retail price by the pallet today is less than 55 cents a watt per panel.
Excellent and timely information.
I own 2x Ecoflow 220 bifacial panels and never disappoint. Awesome performance. Their 160w panels are great. Based on your testing, I bought several Elcaenta 120w panels for light camping and love the performance
Yay!!!! Thank you so much for doing this Jason and Jeff! Just getting started on solar and purchased a off brand CROS 200 watt foldable panel for 149.00 and thought I would give it a try. Thanks for being patient with my loads of questions for you. I appreciate you time and effort in doing your testing and sharing specific results. With Amazon Prime day just passed, it would be interesting to hear people’s comments on what they bought in a 200 watt and their likes and dislikes. Thanks Jason and Jeff!
I have tested a lot of 200 watt folding solar panels solar panels and so far the Lipower and Jackerys worked the best for me. The EBL and Bluetti were pretty descent too. I need to start adding the wattage per sq. in. for better info. The Allpowers was a very nice panel in all aspects too, especially on price (beware Allpowers makes two types of solar panels, the one in this video being the better one).
Such an epic video! I really appreciate all the work and technical expertise that both you Jason and Jeff put into this video! Kudos! I love all the graphs!!!!
Thanks, Katy!
All the info one needs right here on your channel. Bravo to you and Jeff.
Cracking video mate. Loved your thorough explanation. Can you please do a video on selecting/ calculating an inverter.? Much appreciated. Cheers
Holy Sh!#!! That musta been tedious awful kinda work to set up to test and to film. 🤪
Thank you for all your work and producing this. 🙏
I own the Allpowers 200W and it started degrading quickly after few uses. Never been dropped, never see rain.... I can barely get 99 watts at full sun, dropping at 30W when a cloud shows up. Amazon reviews are saying that I am not the only one experiencing that. NOT RECOMMENDED
Great content thank you. Only thing “missing” was a folded dimension comparison.
Excellent presentation. Thank you. Really stepping up your review game recently.
Outstanding video in terms of effort, comparison, and valuable information.
Great team effort.
Glad you liked it!
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Nice testing. Something that might be nice to add, even though it's likely subjective, is durability (perhaps suggested by the materials used). That may be where a good portion of the money is going, not into raw output. One could argue that a panel that still works perfectly after a year of monthly camping trips is worth a lot more than a panel that has suffered a 30% power drop after only a few weekends in the sun.
Trying to add that into the mix, and based on past good results, I'd probably personally go with Elecaenta, and give Ecoflow serious consideration despite the price.
On another note, that battery looked huge. My big Prime Days pick-up was a small form-factor 200AH LiFePO4 battery (yes, the Delta 2 Max was tempting).
It's hard to keep the video balanced between providing too much information and too little info. Thanks for the feedback, I'll keep that in mind for the next video I do this type of thing.
This is a very good point. In my reviews I try to add the durability in, but until you use the panel for a while, it is just too subjective to be accurate. But I always keep my reviews up to date if anything happens in the future (but many of the panels never get used again so this is not the best method).
Exactly the type of analysis we all need to make informed buying decisions. Thanks Very Much for your work.
Glad it was helpful!
Informative with no wasted time. Great job.
Gotta get to the good stuff fast and not waste time, one of my main goals with my videos!
I really think, depsite my reservations, the ecoflow panels are the best long term panel. Its durable, water proof, minimalistic, less parts to worry about, etc. While these other panels are doing well in shade, the EF still does better overall in cloudy weather, and that's another condition that needs its own testing. Eventually, partial shading tests will be a comparison of % drop, not whether the panels are dead panels. If panels start getting bifacial technology as a standard, then ecoflow might have some competition. But I think we're a few years from that.
Fantastic comparison, thanks for this. I have the EcoFlow which I got as part of a sales bundle.
As always great video. I bought the 220 bifacial ecoflow panels during prime time. I bought two of them and I tried to use your code but was not allowed. Anywho I can't wait to receive them and connect both of them in parallel. You have been and continue to be a great mentor. Thank you!
How much were the durring prime days?
Have a great camping trip with family. Looking forward to more videos and, as always, more Jeff. Thanks Jason.
I have a Bluetti and two Allpowers POLYcrystalline, excellent price (often $200-250 with the frequent deals), and I have seen 190 watts in on all of them on good days here in Florida. Bluetti may last longer, but I needed several 200W panels for my units and the lower price for Allpowers polycrystalline really helped!! Watch for their flash sales and lighning deals, I just kept watching and got what I needed.
Also, I often have both brands out at the same time, and both put in almost exactly the same power, which I was happy to see.
This is really amazing.
When you have a small budget and want high production, and your willing to deal with heaviness of the panels, Baldr is a great option.
When your budget isn't restricted, you can choose maximum production in all conditions.
You have made it possible for those of us following this series to make good choices for our needs.
In addition, I would like to see what the payback schedule is for each of the panels.
What do I mean?
How much is purchasing electricity from the grid per kWh?
What is the equivalent value for each panel, saved, and how long will it take to break even?
1.Payback Schedule only the panels
2. Payback Schedule including panel and your simple set up, charge controller and Lifepo battery
Some people may need to buy a complete system, while other people already invested and are looking to just upgrade their panels.
P.S. BougeRV Yuma 200 watt panels weigh 6lbs.
Great test Jason!! Lots of good info. The ECOFLOW panels do perform well but a premium price.
The ECOFLOW 220 sz are Heavy, capitol H.
seems like allpower are the most balance one here
This is very well made critical and down to earth test and detailed analysis. I have been looking forward to something of this nature to be able to make better choice of solar panel. Thank you very much Jason and Jeff.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video. Like the frame for the panel. Keeps the testing even. I know the bowing of these panels and the legs placement can make them pretty uneven.
Pannel durability is very important. Its worth the extra weight and cost if the pannel lasts longer, Especially when opening and closing. Enviromental rating, Warranty and customer support very important, While I enjoyed this video and am thankful, we dont have a good picture yet.
Excellent review and comparison…clear and process equitable and with terrific technical analysis. Far beyond what many of us can do as we do not have the equipment or knowledge.
I have 3 of the Bluetti PV 200 panels (bundled price with the AC200P) and I am glad to know their performance is very good, even though prices are higher than several other panels tested.
This was one of the most comprehensive tests I've seen, thank you! I did have a question about construction and durability. With these portable units I really don't want to have one that is fragile or low quality. Additionally, the ease of angle adjustment with the built in panel supports. I realize these are more subjective but it would be valuable to know. Thanks!
So glad I bought the Eco Flow On Amazon prime day, it was a fantastic deal especially with putting out 190 W for a 220 W solar panel. Eco Flow Makes one of the only portable foldable glass panels out there. #HighQualityAllTheWay.
Jeff is back!!! Great comparison video as always Jason! Great to see an update on the currently available panels, thank you
Thanks for watching!
The Grecell 200W Pro Flexible Foldable IP65 water resistant monocrystalline solar panel made with advanced laminated technology and long-lasting ultra-light ETFE material on the surface and weighing only 10 pounds is like light years technology ahead of the panels in your test. Just thought I would point this out. - - Love mine!
Great info! Very fair test to them all. Was a couple of surprises there, specially $ per Watt
Hi so much good information, all I can say is thank you to both of you for the time and work you put into making this video. 👍🐝🌞
really wish you had a BougeRV CIGS panel here.
I haven't tested those panels, I've heard good things about them!
Excellent data, thanks! One concern towards accuracy about partial shade - it’s suspect that the only panel that had cardboard covering an entire section top to bottom, was the one with zero wattage in “partial shade”. On my panels, the whole parallel vs series distinction manifests when an entire section is covered (ie, folding over one of the ends). On cheaper panels, this causes the whole output to stop, whereas a better panel still functions. So I think covering an entire section is essential to accurately test the partial shade situation (such as a tree shadow moving from the side and completely covering an end section of panel.), not just a blob of shadow in the middle. Maybe you did that, but as I played back the partial shade portions, the only one with top to bottom section coverage was also the only one that failed that test.
Thank you so much for the graphs! Quality data delivery.
It doesn't matter how much of the panel covered if they are wired in series. I could have just covered 25% of that one panel and it would have dropped all the way down as well. I see the same thing on my larger solar arrays. Shade one corner of the panel and lose 95% of the power, that's the downside of wiring in series.
Hah! A classic HP Calculator. That rocks! My current setup was to get a 100w foldable and a 100w panel for < 200$ and I'm getting about 175w with my testing. For me it's more than I need for my power station. Well done review and the test setup is impressive.
Reverse Polish Notation HP. It's not quite the slide rule my dad grew up with, but I would love to see a kid try to use it.
Nice. I got my second Allpowers 200 watt panel on Black Friday for $199 plus tax, making $1.30/watt before tax. This is the second one I’ve got. Got the first one last year’s Prime Day.
It’s a little flimsy but it rocks for the price. I also have a Bluetti 200 Watt panel, which is a lot sturdier, but twice the cost, even on sale.
The Allpowers goes on sale pretty frequently.
One thing you guys could have gone into is what cables it comes with. The Allpowers has a bunch of different cables, though the wire gauge is a bit thinner than Bluetti.
Great feedback! Thanks for sharing your experience here.
In the market for some solar panels for camping, this really helped and had a ton of information, thank you.
Looks like the Oukitel panel might be the best match for Bluetti AC180 solar generators since AC180s have a 10amp solar input cap. A couple of the other panels out there that pull in more watts might be hampered by the AC180's MPPT controller since they exceeded 10amps to get their higher watt outputs, and costs $50 less than the Bluetti 200watt panels but only tested 4 amps lower which might just be instance variance. (This includes considering panels in other reviews than this one as well.) But the Bluetti 200watt seems like it gets you the most if cost is not a major factor, but at more than 10% savings per panel over the Bluetti, the Oukitel 200watt sounds pretty decent to me.
If you're willing to go with a refurb, NewEgg has Refurb Bluetti PV350 panels for $428, and the PV350 panels stay under the 10amp limitation of the AC180, netting you ~200-330watts for less than the $449 discounted price of the Bluetti PV200 panels. (Though the NewEgg refurb 200watt Bluetti panel is going for only $299 if you are satisfied with getting ~169watts) 🤓
Great efforts very good and informative video. Not the normal payed commercial video from most of other channels. Well done please continue like this 🙏
This is by far the best panel comparison I've seen. Clearly a lot of work and prep went into this and I'm getting my panels though Jasons affiliate links so he can keep doing these vids.
suggestion when doing the portable ones could you tell which are waterproof and which are not
subscribed and thumbs up just for the amount of effort that went into this video. Thanks!
Much appreciated!
Very informative but the cost data is just for reference as it fluctuates a lot. I am very happy that the Ecoflow bifacial is a good performer and it only costed me $240 in a bundle. Thank you very much for the great test and video.
Great video and very fair test :)
P.S. Videos like this give everybody a real time honest test of all the panels. And that is crucial information to the consumer !!!!!
P.P.S. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO JASONOID, YOU HELP US ALL LEARN TOGETHER AS A TEAM :)
THUMBS UP PEOPLE !!!!!
side note: Companies that wired their panels in "reversed polarity" is the most frustrating learning curve for most new users :(
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Bob!
For RVs, where storage space is at a premium, it would be nice to know the folded dimensions in addition to the weight. Thanks for the detailed comparison!
Great suggestion!
Excellent, very much appreciated
a commercial solar panel test would be good, too. I wouldn’t use any of these flimsey panels for an off grid setup. For a robust offgrid setup, solar panels should have a frame that you can attach to your roof, or solar stand. Take into consideration wind, hail, and temperature efficiencies as well. A hot solar panel will not perform as well. These folding panels are more for an RV, portability, and I certainly wouldn’t use any of these for a permanent setup. cheers from 🇨🇦
These are for temp / portable use, i always recommend glass rigid panels for permanent installation.
@@Jasonoid yup
Have you tried any of the new CIGS panels? I see Bouge and Renogy are now offering these panels.
Thanks for the video, jasonoid! The data makes it very helpful to make an informed decision.
Would be helpful to see a comparison using their native stands to compare setup, peak watts, and partial shading output, like what you did for the 400w panel video. Wondering how much impact each stand design would make the in real world.
Allpowers 200w best balance for the buck and is one of the lightest.
Great video. I loved seeing the HP 11C (or is it a 15C) calculator! That was the very first calculator I purchased. My brother was a summer hire at the HP plant in Corvallis, OR when it was released.
Was looking for a video doing this! Thanks
Great video. I understand this video focuses on overall power wattage, but would’ve been nice to have the IP (waterproofing) rating listed as well. The Eco Flow is IP68, meaning it’s a fully waterproof rated panel. However, I do own this panel and agree it’s a pain to set up, the long cables hanging off are awkward and don’t see it as a good use case for mobile travel. I’m surprised the Jackery Solar Saga 200 wasn’t included in this review. This panel is also IP68 and considered the direct competitor to the EcoFlow panel in this video. I’m interested in buying the Jackery Solar Saga 200, but am confused on what type of adapter I need to connect a traditional MC4 cable to it. Any insight would be appreciated. Overall, good review.
Jackery power stations use an 8020mm barrel plug for solar. They also don't make any adapters to MC4 so you'll have to purchase something online to make it work.
@@Jasonoid I found some adapters on Amazon that appear to have good reviews. Are you concerned that there may be some form of efficiency loss when using an adapter? Is that why Jackery wasn’t included on this analysis?
@@kyle6703 that's not a concern. I'm just worried their panels might not perform well. They weren't interested in having their solar panels compared to other brands and they are expensive. Im not sure how well they perform in real world testing, no one ever shows actual wattage numbers when testing their panels 😅
@@Jasonoid Fair point. Appreciate the feedback and review!
AS IF !!! I weren't CONFUSSED already !! I'm gonna have to save it and spend many a long afternoon
deciphering/digesting it all . AND THEN !!! I'm gonna have to figure out how much (+25%) I actually need !
Is there any "turnkey" system that you'd recommend ? I've no idea how to begin THAT challenge !!!!
Don't get me wrong ! This is the most concise/ informative coverage I've seen . Thank You !
Graat video, thank you for taking the time, it has helped me to de cide on which solar panel to buy i lkie the XTAR
Glad it helped
excellent test
a lot of amateur radio operators on youtube push the Power Film Solar Panels, but they are expensive. would like to know how they stack up against these. I wouldn't think they are that much worth the extra cost. the Baldr would be my choice with its price and performance value.
I haven't heard of those panels before! I'll have to check them out.
i am surprised you did not test Jackery panels since it is one of the most popular platforms on the market.
Maybe one day I'll purchase them. They are bit overpriced vs some of these.
Jason is there a 200 watt panel in any combination that will max out delta 2, 500 watt, 60 volts, 15 amp parameters without going over in volts or amps?
I got 3x 24v 200watt and ran 3P setup from Amazon, about $60works great at 600watts to over panel my D2
The 180w Newpowa panels will get the full 500 watts without going over 60v. I'm pretty sure I linked them below in the video description. They have a VOC under 20v so they can be wired in a 3S config.
@@Jasonoidno newpowa 180 watt linked, I wanna use your affiliate link
Rightfully impressed as I am an Electrical Contractor now retired! I bought the Ecoflow 220W prior to this video but received it a couple of days ago! I have connected it to my new Bluetti AC 180. I live unfortunately in a Condo so although I face South I only get full sunlight (if that) for a few hours in the day! The maximum output from the panel even with mirrors on my balcony is about 30W FROM A 250w BIFACIAL PANEL! I am trying to improve in that at the moment but the sun follows the line of the back wall of the Condo from left to right so, if I can't hang my panel 3 metres from my balcony railing I am not in full sun! So what is my question? What fixed panel of high wattage and smallest size (Thin and tall or fat and short ) with low light works best in low light or partial (ambient light ) conditions! I will trey o find a fixed panel with high output at 10A MAX 60voc to fit in direct sunlight where my A/C COMPRESSORS ARE. Area is 2.3 M Heigh x .9 M Wide with high wattage output! Any suggestions welcome!
You might have better luck with smaller panels in parallel. Have you seen the Sunpower Flex 50 panels before? They are super, thin, lightweight and compact. If you get some of those smaller panels and wire them in parallel that will help with the partial shading.
Fantastic review guys, really appreciate the attention to detail.
Very informative and well articulated.
Great video, it answered many of my questions, thank you for your efforts.
ALLPOWERS is 20-30% off every year on prime day. I bought my first one last year for $200($1/watt). I bought more this year at $220($1.10/watt).
I missed the set up and water resistance shown with the 400W video. And I missed it, scanning about. Anker wasn’t included?
Nice test, thank you. I would have liked if you added one of your glass panels to see the size and power output comparison
Ill have to think of doing that next time, thanks! Glass panels are heavier but take up a similar total area. A 100w panel gets around 85 to 95 watts in perfect conditions.
very helpful video i bought a bluetti power station and didnt want to spend 600 for a 200w solat panel
Nice info. Remember that while more decimals = greater precision, it does not guarantee accuracy.
Agreed. We did test accuracy of the clamp meter beforehand with an inline shunt and it was spot on.
been waiting for this video all week
I am no electrician, or solar expert, but the VCU looked to be the only panel where you covered the middle from top to bottom completely. You expressed that if you didn't do this it was generating more power. I would've liked to see if the other ones also cut to zero if you had panels completely cut off from left to right with a middle shade. Nice video though. appreciate the graphs and the many comparisons.
Once you get more experience you'll see that any series connection you have in solar you'll see the same results. It would have also lost full power if I shaded 25% of one of the panels. I should have demonstrated that in the video as well.
Awesome, thank you. Just got the Elecaenta 200w on sale. I am just getting into solar, Great video, subscribed. Now for a, generator / powerbank. Liking the Ecoflow Delta 2 MAX
Make sure you check out my power ststion grading sheet to give you some direction on great choices!
VERY NICE TEST !!!!!!! I WAS PLANNING TO PURCHASE THE PORTABLE SOLAR PANNELS .... THANKS.
Meanwhile you can buy residential solar retail by the pallet for between 45-55 cents a watt today. In panels from 400-450watts. Or you can find 5-6 year old 200 watt panels that are still full output for less than $75. Utilities are swapping out all over the place for higher output panels today.
This isn't about lugging around a huge glass panel, obviously those are cheaper and WAY better for long term use and durability... These folding panels are for people who want a lightweight portable option.
Whats the best bang for buck **rugged** **rainproof** kit minus the power station i can pickup that is fairly portable?
The Baldr 120w panel is rugged and affordable. I've had my panels in the rain multiple times and they still are putting out power like day one when I purchased them. I think you'd like those.
You guys did all the work for us. Excellent comparison test.
Jerry must be an engineer ... I see an HP calculator that I used in college and professionally later in my career. I also have an HP-45 that replaced the slide rule I used in my freshman year. That really goes way back. Anyway, you guys really did a pretty job. The cost analysis was pretty helpful too.
Jeff is an electrical engineer, glad you recognized the calculator haha
Great info, thank you!
for the cost vs wattage comparison graph should off used the secondary axis for the cost, that way it would look better graphically
Bluetti replaced my AC200P under warranty because the screen failed to come on. Now my three sp200 solar panel have failed, but they are out of warranty. Under full sun, there is no voltage out. Any suggestions?
Try a 220 watt Off Grid TREK solar BLANKET. Expensive but folds to the size of a laptop and 4 inches thick Made with SUN POWER flexible thin film panels on a VERY durable 3" X 6" vinyl backing. I use mine cable locked to my SUV roof and charging my BLUETTI AC200 MAX LFP power center battery. This system runs my ICECO freezer/cooler all day and charges my bike in the evening day after day.
Love this video!!!
Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
PECRON 200 WATT??
Been waiting on this video to make my decision on what 200 watt panel to get for the Pecron E600LFP I just purchased.
Ive been debating on the Pecron for $299 and the ALL POWERS that $231 right now.
Any chance the Pecron will be tested anytime soon?
I don't have plans currently to review that model but I wouldn't rule it out in the future.
@@Jasonoid Do you have any insight on that panel? How would you compare that to the All Powers panel?
Really great video and with all the data you have you should be easily capable to calculate the ROI. Personally for me that would be the score to look at as starting point . I did a mat and with the actual energy cost as cheaper the panel, as better ROI you get as long as the watt result between the panels are so close between each other.
Very good review thank you helped me a lot . I have the AP here on sale so cost per is a little better , I think it’s good value on sale not at full price . Eco flow and bluetti maybe my other options for me in the UK . I’m in the market for a new power station as well , I may go for the Bohmer unsure if you have them anymore .,. Thanks 👍
I'm relatively new to portable solar. How much consideration needs to be put into what you're connecting the panel to? I have an Jackery Explorer 300 for camping, but had my eye on an Anker Solix as a bigger option. Are most DC inputs the same, will I need to buy adaptors, or do most panels come with the necessary connectors to work with most things?
Appreciated this vid. Gave me a lot to consider.
I’m glad to see watts per pound data given on the screen shots, although you did not give a bar graph comparison. Schlepping these in and out of the car, I want the weight to be worthwhile.
Thanks for the feedback! Next time I'll include the Watts per pound number as well.
no anker test? good job still. and I love the HP calculator. I have one of those too!
The only way to truly compare them is by hooking them all up at the same time. 100% identical conditions.
Best value is highest output, always. It’s not about the money but about energy. You just get more.
They were all hooked up within a reasonable testing window.
Thank you for you comparison. It would have been very helpful if you measured the amount of sun light that was falling onto the panels. Most of the better quality panels have their output rated at 1000 Watts per square metre at 25 degrees Celsius and also include the output for higher panel temperatures. This makes it very easy to test as my weather station state the amount of sun light radiation. I wonder if any of the panels you tested supplied performance data? It seems to me that large proportion of the panels you tested grossly overrate their output. I have been using a 175 Watt Victrion blue solar panel and it does what is stated on the panel. It does put out 175 Watts and often a bit more.
I'll need to get one of those sunlight meters.
Great data and info! I get wanting the portability of these, but the cost just makes me lug around a 220w bifacial Renogy instead which I got for $240. LOL.
For any stationary setup I prefer glass rigid panels since they offer a much better value for the money. Rigid panels will also last much longer. They work well for roof mount setups on a truck or a ground mount but I won't be hauling one of those around my camp, they also take up so much more space. Both types of panels have their purpose and I like to use both.
@@Jasonoid Totally, I just figure I'd end up breaking these flexible ones or the wind will! Do you have a sense of how durable they are? Rigid ones have warranties of like 25 years... these often only 1 year. If that.
Very cool and MUCH appreciated! Thank you for your hard work and Info! 👍👍
Great Informative video .. I wish I had watched this before buying the "cheaper" DOKIO 220w -- a panel kit with controller for $200 .. hope I did not waste my money. Again, great presentation thanks
The Dokio panels will work well if they are taken care of. From my experience they break down pretty quickly if used daily.
Would a single Baldr 120W work with a Bluetti EB3A? It has an MC4 to DC7909 connector cable. Thank you
Yeah, thats a great option for the EB3A
Also adding in a wattage per SQ ft could be useful if someone doesn't have a lot of area to lay out panels👍
I got really close to adding that information, really close! Haha, I even have the Sq ft per panel in the specs, I just didn't go to the next step and make the graph. Sorry man!
@@Jasonoid I'll forgive you if it all ends up in a shared Google Sheet 😁
@@Jasonoid I shared with you, to the email listed in your youtube profile, a sheet I remembered I had whipped up to compare specs during the Glacier/Wave/D2M releases, there are some formulas for EcoFlow panels for area/W/ft/m. It's called "Ecoflow Data/pricing" maybe those formulas would be helpful
@@rcguymike I'll check it out, thanks Mike!
Great information. Now for some current price research. And need to watch your video on a higher watt folding panel if you have one.
I clicked link for All powers and showed your discount but at checkout switches to bulk discount. Hope you still get credit.
I got this video as well for 400w panels:
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But this is my new favorite 400w panel:
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@@Jasonoid thank you. I will check those out as well. I will be curious to see the test results from the pecron.
I use thirty-two Renogy 320W rigid panels - the combined 10,000 watt, power output will easily cook true 10AWG copper cables.
If they were all wired in series and all the system components and wire could handle the super high voltage, you could use 10awg wire. Amperage/current is what melts wires, and wiring those panels in one long series string would only have around 10 amps going through it and a ton of volts.
@@Jasonoid that is correct and it is the reason for having a 500VDC solar input in residential power stations with battery backup. Not sure if you've seen them.
How have the common power stations been holding up with use and storage. I use three GoLabs 300 constantly. Full charge to zero as I rotate them, after almost two years so far so good.
You've earned a new subby here with this video. YOU ROCK! Now, I'm off to see how you made that solar panel stand. Thanks for sharing.
I don't have a video on the wooden solar stand. I just put a couple 2x3X8's in parallel and then I connected them with a couple horizontal supports. It worked well for the testing.
@@Jasonoid Ok. I'll give it a shot! Thank you. I just got (2) 200 watt CIGS panels, and I think a stand like this would work great for them. :-)