Retro Test 3 - Mack Superliner V8 | Time Machine

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  • Опубликовано: 10 май 2020
  • It’s a small blue box, and there’s a dog along for the ride, but this is no Dr Who Tardis - this is a true time machine, one that stirs the blood of its occupants, and everyone within a kilometre who has memories of a world less complicated!
    This is the third instalment of a semi-regular series we’ve called Retro Tests.
    We’re going to sample trucks from the great era that spanned the early 70s, through until the early 90s, roughly … there are no hard and fast rules. To some degree we aim to investigate just how far we’ve come (if we’ve come that far at all), but the main thrust is to have a bit of fun, go on a nostalgic trip, enjoy a few laughs, and rekindle some fantastic yarns and memories from a great period in our transport history that’s now gone.
    The main delivery media for the Retro Tests will be video, with print as the support - in other words, opposite from the magazine’s main test. We hope you enjoy watching and reading them as much as we do putting them together.
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Комментарии • 169

  • @user-kl9vq9os4w
    @user-kl9vq9os4w 19 дней назад +1

    Drove one in the late 80's.
    Loved it!
    E9 400 w/ 12 spd splitter.
    It would walk all over a cummins big cam 400.

  • @johncoleman1447
    @johncoleman1447 Год назад +30

    Love the sound of a big V8 Mack.

  • @TozziWelding
    @TozziWelding 3 года назад +28

    When the new trucks are in the shop with electronic issues, a plugged DPF, or just plain worn out that old Supermutt will still be working.

  • @jimherman859
    @jimherman859 3 года назад +50

    I'm in the U.S. and I WANT MY SUPERLINERS AND MY R MODELS BACK RIGHT EFFIN NOW.

    • @deeremeyer1749
      @deeremeyer1749 2 года назад +1

      "Junkyards" are full of them so you must not be looking too hard, Super Trucker. And I seriously doubt you've spent any "quality time" in either, especially "R models" if you want them "back" right now.

    • @deeremeyer1749
      @deeremeyer1749 2 года назад +1

      Molded-in headlight "buckets" in the "glass fibre" hood and DAYTON wheels. Boy was/is that "super" truck the "top of the line".

    • @JensSchraeder
      @JensSchraeder Год назад +1

      My dad had an 85 with 500 E9 in it. What a beautiful truck it was.

    • @weldthatiron3683
      @weldthatiron3683 Год назад +3

      There loving New Zealand they aint comn back

    • @Fulcrum4747
      @Fulcrum4747 9 месяцев назад +1

      Agreed, they need to come back with an old school model with none of the computerized bs guarantee that truck would not be abel to be kept in any lot they would sell out fast.

  • @joshjones3408
    @joshjones3408 16 дней назад +1

    The frist time I heard a air start was on the road worrier....Iv loved that sound every sence....

  • @tkx86
    @tkx86 Год назад +6

    I was born Dec 1986 but this is the era I wish I drove in. Man oh Man! What an absolute beauty.

  • @tad1111
    @tad1111 3 года назад +14

    Cool!! Thanks guys, I really miss hearing and seeing those V8 Macks on the highway. Trucks today are more like cars than trucks.

    • @theposerhoser
      @theposerhoser 9 месяцев назад +2

      My diesel mechanic buddy has convinced me all modern trucks are built like shit. Won't touch em.

    • @theposerhoser
      @theposerhoser 9 месяцев назад +2

      I want a superliner more than any other truck

  • @Habeev07
    @Habeev07 Год назад +7

    Back in the early 00's up here in the pacificNW, my friends family owned a log truck business and the the grandfather owned an 80's (wanna say it was an 83') Superliner with the detroit v8 that was turned up to 900 hp. That rig was badass and had silver paint with blue and pink pin striping if I remember, and those twin stacks with the tips turned out were always rolling coal. The truck was kinda a local legend among the logging community up there.

  • @nedtata4895
    @nedtata4895 4 года назад +31

    Absolutely love this thing, thanks for the video, definitely bring back memories of travelling along side the old man in his truck as a young fella.

    • @brainrapist3540
      @brainrapist3540 4 года назад +5

      Same brother I'm 35 an grew up riding with the ol man in a v8 superliner. You never loose the love for them

    • @matty6848
      @matty6848 3 года назад

      Same here. I used to love going to work with my dad driving his truck. Oh those were the days. Just me and the old man roaring up the roads!

  • @nkimandi
    @nkimandi Месяц назад

    the growl as it chews up the hill..suuweeet!

  • @wazza33racer
    @wazza33racer 2 месяца назад +1

    When I first got my V8 Superliner, it had already done 1.5 million kms, and drank 20 liters of oil per day.

  • @ezcoreg759
    @ezcoreg759 2 года назад +5

    The car behind not passing because of the beautiful music coming out of the pipes

  • @Retired88M
    @Retired88M 3 года назад +7

    Music to my ears
    I wish I was still driving the last superliner I drove back in the 90’s
    92’ with the E-9 with the Williams air throttle with the pressure turned up putting 690horses on the ground
    Loved that truck

  • @raywilson800
    @raywilson800 3 года назад +5

    Your friend in the flip flops looks like the "new breed" of American truck drivers. You and your friend are both great drivers and your funny together too!

  • @crazymixture57
    @crazymixture57 3 года назад +4

    I'm a fan of the Maxidynes even if they are 6 cylinders, but you just cannot beat the sound of a Mack V8 in a Superliner!

  • @karldoughty7981
    @karldoughty7981 3 года назад +10

    Just love the sound of an E9 working with a nice load on some bloody good filming to guys great work go the mighty mack

  • @pouchie86
    @pouchie86 4 года назад +9

    Wow this Mack is running great and i don't see a lot of black smoke

  • @pointingdog7235
    @pointingdog7235 Год назад +1

    My first love was a 72 R Model. He did a great job with This Super Dog. Beautiful.

  • @hootizzz
    @hootizzz 4 года назад +11

    love the down changes on the Dynatard at 24:55 awesome job, well done

  • @jimbenline6325
    @jimbenline6325 9 месяцев назад +1

    SUPER DAWG !! Mack E9 V8 superliner. Remember them well. Loved the sound of the E9 Engine.

  • @erickjasper9409
    @erickjasper9409 3 года назад +4

    That Mack runs PERFECT

  • @TheDarkFalcon
    @TheDarkFalcon 3 года назад +4

    4:03 is a perfect summary of kiwi roads 😅

  • @reineriomartinez9539
    @reineriomartinez9539 2 года назад +3

    Nice to see people appreciate and love these mack truck i learn to drive in r model model and i love theme

  • @MrLs1kid
    @MrLs1kid 4 года назад +12

    Whoa 😮, E9 V8 Mack Superliner, one true beauty of a unit. Totally awesome video definitely made my day. Surprised I didn't see the video earlier, until now. Love the re-enactment of the air start-ups. Unit sounds and looks sharp as always Mr Amer 👍. Keep up the good work New Zealand Trucking Magazine.

  • @michaelwheatley3873
    @michaelwheatley3873 Год назад +1

    Retired now but remember some distinctive sounding engines in past years-Mack and Cat V8s, 2-stroke Detroits-V12 sounds better than the V8 IMHO, and older big cam Cummins, which happens to be the only older engine I’ve driven. My last ride had a DD15 which got the job done, but there was always a check engine light on; made sure it had DEF and changed the filter regularly, the local Freightliner dealer couldn’t figure it out! Computers are great for making truck videos, not tuning truck engines.😜Thanks for sharing the sight and sound of a classic!

  • @billmcdonald0256
    @billmcdonald0256 5 месяцев назад +1

    Nice Ride along Lads..That was a treat..Christmas 1997 I did a roadtrip of Newzealand North & South Islands 🏝 ..Lovely to see your country again from the Driver seat.Christchurch.Wellington Auckland Trolleybuses 🚎 Mountcook 🏔🚁 Pancake Rocks.Melford Sound .You don't put Catsup on Meat Pie..Those newer MACKs work hard here in Northern Alberta & NWT Iceroads in to minds 🇨🇦 Thankyou Lads & the Fokes puting this video 📹 together..GodBless..Jan.27.2024

  • @jimherman859
    @jimherman859 3 года назад +3

    THANKS MARK AND THE BOYS , KEEP ON TRUCKIN.

  • @davidwyatt3188
    @davidwyatt3188 3 года назад +13

    What a lovely noise, V8 perfection, another great video, looking forward to a Foden being put through its paces.

    • @cummins4416
      @cummins4416 3 года назад +2

      Foden yes definitely 👍

    • @raywilson800
      @raywilson800 3 года назад +3

      I had an F-Model Mack in the '70's with a 325hp. V-8 and would run like a raped ape. Though it wouldn't out pull a Cat of equal hp. it would hang with the rest pretty good......but, here's the catch. If I told another driver my truck has a V-8 Mack in it they would and slap their knee and ask, "what are you doing with a barge anchor under the cab"? Now everybody loves them.

    • @bradstephens4268
      @bradstephens4268 3 года назад +1

      sound not noise , music for the soul

  • @gideonstrydom8242
    @gideonstrydom8242 11 месяцев назад +2

    I just stumbled upon your channel, and so glad I did. I loved trucks since my very first memory, and have been driving since I was only 9yrs old. Turning 56 in less than a month, and still driving!
    This was exceptionally satisfying to watch. Especially since we never had Superliners, and for that matter Mack V8's, over here in South Africa.
    Thank you so much. I believe you'll have another regular spectator here in future. Keep up the good work.
    Take care, cheers!!
    PS: I'm still wearing Canterbury shorts every day. Just not feeling comfortable in anything else.

  • @gm16v149
    @gm16v149 3 года назад +7

    This just came into my feed, so glad it did! Great video. There’s still a few E9s running around in Oz, not like they used to though. I wonder if the owner has got the Mack low oil/low air bell, sounded like a door bell as soon as you turned the key. And the Williams air throttle. The E9 V8 Superliner I drove once had a 12 speed Mack transmission where the reverse was an air shift, very easy when you are backing. By the way, plenty of Kiwis over here, if they all left at once the trucking and mining industry would grind to a halt quick smart!

  • @hermannharth6060
    @hermannharth6060 11 месяцев назад

    Super Truck, Super Video

  • @user-cn7fx8ii5h
    @user-cn7fx8ii5h 4 месяца назад +1

    She is a beautiful Mack❤ I was raised in 2:18 Macks, from the B-61s to the Superline ❤ Dad had a hauling and road building business. We always were working George M King Contractors. This is messy sorry.

  • @mariatomlinson-nott2678
    @mariatomlinson-nott2678 3 года назад +4

    Awesome video lads. What a truck. Superliner with a thumping V8. Can’t get any better sound than a V8 working away doing what it supposed to be doing.
    Also well done you two lads fronting the video for the Retro test dress in the day. Today’s PPE dressing style has changed a lot, but for this particular occasion one would think you would be definitely feel out of date especially the ole cut off jean shorts and the Canterbury shorts yea not so much and the jandals and slip on boots well it just looks the classic kiwi trucker. Outstanding.
    Great video lads. 10 out of 10.

  • @markharv9848
    @markharv9848 4 года назад +10

    Absolute rip snorter fellas, top job as always! Love the kit out keep it up!

    • @bh2861
      @bh2861 3 года назад

      Mark Harvey!!!! Long time mate, how you been?

  • @timeistooshort2933
    @timeistooshort2933 Год назад +1

    You buggers are hilarious 🤣...nice one mate...yip it's alive 🤣😂

  • @Wedget
    @Wedget 3 года назад +4

    Wow, back in the days when the Bulldog breed set the benchmark for how a real truck was made, sadly that benchmark slipped away and the breed hasn't been able to keep it happening, bloody awesome video fellas.

    • @deeremeyer1749
      @deeremeyer1749 2 года назад

      A "benchmark" that NOBODY ELSE RECOGNIZED. And by the way, Macks that are "all Mack" from the factory have been very "rare" for decades. And that "Superliner" is a piss-poor KW W900A/Pete 359 "clone" as far as its "styling cues".

    • @Wedget
      @Wedget Год назад

      @@deeremeyer1749 , back in the day( very early 80's) the Superliner could of been ordered as damn near 100% Mack or ordered with different running gear, engines etc,etc, maybe similarities with the bonnet compared to other manufacturers but definately original Mack design thru and thru, sorry my bro but that is the way it is😅🤣And for the record I reckon KW's etc are bloody awesome as well

  • @eddieweigel9490
    @eddieweigel9490 Год назад +1

    That E9 SUPER DOG is barking what a beautiful dog

  • @rogerdominguez15
    @rogerdominguez15 3 года назад +2

    Man that truck is nice! Greetings from the lone star state.

  • @pagey007
    @pagey007 3 года назад +4

    Epic truck ,, Superb footage ... Love that e9 :-) ,, Even an NZ release of the "MiniMe" take off lol..

  • @stefankassbohrer2765
    @stefankassbohrer2765 3 года назад +2

    Bulldog Mack with a Flat on back and a Jaguar haulin' ass ... almost :-) Great Truck, a real Beast ! Greetings from south Germany

  • @jackjames1543
    @jackjames1543 3 года назад +4

    Content done right 👌

  • @truckguy9285
    @truckguy9285 4 года назад +6

    Well done guys. Bring on the next one 👌

  • @BobcatHunter522
    @BobcatHunter522 Год назад +1

    Best sounding truck to date i think🤙🏻

  • @eriknybo4532
    @eriknybo4532 7 месяцев назад

    Mack really needs to go back to the drawing board and bring this engine and style into the new mack anthems

  • @georgecole1173
    @georgecole1173 2 года назад +1

    Mack Super Liner one of two most handsome trucks ever built

  • @logical_volcel
    @logical_volcel 3 года назад +1

    thats some of the best audio of a mack ive ever heard, fanatstic recording

  • @billforeman3176
    @billforeman3176 11 месяцев назад

    Thumpin up the mountainside

  • @kizerbread
    @kizerbread 3 года назад +2

    She's the last of the V8's! pure nitro!

  • @frankbing1
    @frankbing1 3 года назад +2

    Great video, watching this made me feel they should make another Duel movie.

  • @toddbankes445
    @toddbankes445 3 года назад +2

    Aaah....if only it was left hand drive, n here in the state's n my drive way. That would be heaven.

  • @iroam8825
    @iroam8825 3 года назад +1

    My Dad an uncles drove for Freightways Heavy Haulage in AKL in the 80's an 90's uncle drove a r series Mack low loader the other uncle drove a S liner Mack just like that one but Orange man took me back,good times,Keep on Trucking!!

  • @rossawood5075
    @rossawood5075 7 месяцев назад +1

    Many years ago I was driving an E9 Mack 12 speed with straight thru pipes driving wheat seasons in western NSW, the truck could be heard coming 3 klm out of town and the change over driver would have a hot coffee on the table before it pulled up.
    Nothing short of a 12 cylinder GM sounds as good, well OK maybe a Scania V8?
    There were many E9 Superliners running wheat and cotton in their day and still a few out here during harvests.
    Hoewever times have changed and long distances here require greater fuel efficiency given the price of diesel now.
    Great video of a classic Mack.

    • @NZTruckingMag
      @NZTruckingMag  7 месяцев назад +1

      Special machines, eh? A bygone era indeed...

  • @T_Schnydz
    @T_Schnydz 3 года назад +5

    Nothing like a thumper

  • @billyadams8906
    @billyadams8906 4 года назад +3

    Bloody awesome truck and video thanks guys

    • @NZTruckingMag
      @NZTruckingMag  4 года назад +2

      Glad you enjoyed it Billy! Thanks for watching

  • @lumbered8299
    @lumbered8299 3 года назад +2

    OOOOOOHHHHHH!!!!! Yea!

  • @wolfgangkobusch4955
    @wolfgangkobusch4955 2 месяца назад +1

    In Germany i drive a Mack Superliner.Greetings from Germany

  • @HonJazzz
    @HonJazzz 3 года назад +9

    Great scenery and road!

  • @weldthatiron3683
    @weldthatiron3683 Год назад +1

    Needed more engine braking in the vid
    You guys are classics I guess that made up for the lack of engine braking

  • @Yodatrucker2804
    @Yodatrucker2804 4 года назад +1

    Haha awesome vid guys!! Keep them up!!

  • @jairopinzon4254
    @jairopinzon4254 Год назад +1

    Uuffff 💯

  • @eddieweigel9490
    @eddieweigel9490 Год назад +1

    That E9 must have sounded fantastic going through that tunnel

  • @davidkirkham6929
    @davidkirkham6929 3 года назад +2

    Nowt like the sound of a V8 engine under load !!

  • @paulgriffiths8359
    @paulgriffiths8359 4 года назад +4

    Fantastic stuff lads, must get old R model over to NZ for a look around one day

  • @eddieweigel9490
    @eddieweigel9490 Год назад

    In the states that Mack is a Titan I don’t know what the hell happened to Mack well I do know Volvo is ruining My beloved Mack trucks we don’t have the Titan no more they should have not stopped production of theTitan in the 1950s 60s 70s 80s Mack had a fantastic lineup The LJ B F R the tin nose RD DM MR now they have a hand full in there lineup it breaks my heart as a very very huge fan of the Bull Dog Mack’s God Bless you guys over there for saving these iconic Mack trucks thank you

  • @cathyyates1226
    @cathyyates1226 2 года назад +1

    Awesome video and I love it and I also love trucks ❤

  • @ianmilne655
    @ianmilne655 3 года назад +1

    Guys I would have to say that this is.... simply the best vid of the Mack Superliner.
    Nice one👍

    • @NZTruckingMag
      @NZTruckingMag  3 года назад +1

      Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it! 👍🏻

    • @ianmilne655
      @ianmilne655 3 года назад

      @@NZTruckingMag thoroughly enjoyed it, in fact most of my train depot are watching it too, that climb out in the first section was fab, as was the 'John Kelly'👍
      Those white knees need changing though😲😲

    • @NZTruckingMag
      @NZTruckingMag  3 года назад +1

      @@ianmilne655 awesome thanks for sharing it around! Regarding the knees... 🤣🤣

    • @pointingdog7235
      @pointingdog7235 Год назад

      Nice Super Puppy.
      I remember back in the late 70's I used to see a man in Upstate NY with a R-700 pulling a milk tanker which always caught my eye since my Father and I had a friend who pulled chemicals out of North Jersey and his first tractor when he made the move to an Owner/Operator in 76 was a 72 R-600. I used to help him weekends with maintenance, washing/ waxing etc. I felt like it was part mine. Then the summer of 83 he started to make longer runs and needed a more comfortable cab and a sleeper, so he traded for a new Binder.
      But I still remember the Fall 1981 issue of Road King was the first time I saw a picture of a Mack Super Puppy and always liked them.
      Thanks again for the video I enjoyed seeing your Mack still on the road and being used as she was intended.

  • @johnmoore1949
    @johnmoore1949 6 месяцев назад

    Yeah! Yep! Yeah yeah! Yeah! Yeah!😂

  • @h8evil685
    @h8evil685 3 года назад +1

    The Boys thrashing 0L Blue like she was a Old ERF Street Kid... Classic...

  • @joecummings1260
    @joecummings1260 3 года назад +6

    These Mack V8s always ran strong, but back when they first came in the 60s, and through the 70s they were unreliable. They had such a bad reputation that on the used market they sold for a lot less than endt 675 and 676 powered trucks. I'll bet that I did at least 25 or 30 swaps to repower them with something else in the late seventies and 1980s. The guy I bought my garage building off of had one in a dm800 that gave him so many problems well still under warranty Mac put a 3408 caterpillar in it. I believe LaTona rigging up in North Jersey owns the truck now, supposedly it's all restored and pretty

  • @Turbo45
    @Turbo45 3 года назад

    Awesome. from Canada.

  • @68peterbilt68
    @68peterbilt68 2 года назад +1

    Mack 500 V8, Mack 18 overdrive, 3.3 diffs.
    Point it ,squirt it, hang on.
    🤟😎👍

  • @user-kl9vq9os4w
    @user-kl9vq9os4w 18 дней назад

    The E9 block is alive and well today in the 730 hp Scania.

  • @jasonschuurman2616
    @jasonschuurman2616 3 месяца назад +1

    sweet....

  • @gilbertomoreira7019
    @gilbertomoreira7019 4 года назад

    Esse Mack é uma bela máquina

  • @deanhollingsworth7938
    @deanhollingsworth7938 3 года назад +1

    Great video and spotto on the gt40 / cobra at 23:40

    • @NZTruckingMag
      @NZTruckingMag  3 года назад

      Eagle-eye spotting there! Nice 👍🏻

  • @eddieweigel9490
    @eddieweigel9490 Год назад

    New to the channel guys I love it makes me wanna move there to the land of old Bull Dog Mack’s keep the videos coming

  • @macknit3125
    @macknit3125 3 года назад +1

    Cool vid there truckers👌👍😎

  • @joshjones3408
    @joshjones3408 16 дней назад +1

    It's a shame it's not June... there pig pin....but if I was a suicide Jocky this Mack right here is would id use ....or halling logs.... cause the Jimmy can just stay halling hogs...
    An wouldn't dear put a ref on the back of that Mack... cause if my mack looked as good as this one ... she'd never see no gate an may be ever once in a while she'd see 98...👍👍👍👍👍 great tuck guy's

  • @javadgholami7861
    @javadgholami7861 Год назад

    واقعا تحت تاثیر قرار گرفتم،
    ماک سوپرلاینر بی نظیری است
    ماک سلطان جاده 💪💪💪💪💪💪

  • @ericlakota6512
    @ericlakota6512 3 года назад +1

    Realy like those old superliners look at the power climbing that hill 12spd

  • @jeremyryan1848
    @jeremyryan1848 Год назад +1

    I love old australia mack truck

  • @lissethmartinez8744
    @lissethmartinez8744 3 года назад

    Saludos desde nicaragua amigos 👍🏼

  • @cummins4416
    @cummins4416 4 года назад +5

    Another good video thank you ,any chance of a Foden test ?

  • @terrycormier5492
    @terrycormier5492 Год назад

    really nice clatter of the v power

  • @eddieweigel9490
    @eddieweigel9490 Год назад

    If I had a business I would hire that driver in a new york minute I’ve been driving since 1987 seen a lot on the road no trailers tri axle dumps tandem dumps packer garbage trucks concrete mixer trucks all Mack’s R 686sx RD 822 sx tin nose DM 685sx 686 sx I love Mack trucks since I’m a little kid the driver in this video is a wheelman

  • @izaak6040
    @izaak6040 2 года назад +1

    26:25 spoke too soon there dave hahaha

  • @jbryanlegarcon31
    @jbryanlegarcon31 2 года назад

    4life never dies riggin

  • @user-kl9vq9os4w
    @user-kl9vq9os4w 18 дней назад

    Mack trucks Australia built this superliner at their Brisbane plant.

  • @RBFR01
    @RBFR01 3 года назад

    my fav truck, cant beat the sound of a v8. It's as good as sex.

  • @eddieweigel9490
    @eddieweigel9490 Год назад

    Those Mack dynatard engine brakes where very sensitive wow

  • @bryanlarocque7627
    @bryanlarocque7627 2 года назад +1

    V8 mack sound!

  • @lesthiele4921
    @lesthiele4921 3 года назад +1

    Hi guys I have just come across your channel and really enjoyed what I have seen. Have you done a road test on the RL Bedford yet? That is what I got my licence in wzy back in 1974, while doing my TV trying in Burnham, keep safe and well, best regards from a Christchurch lad living in Melbourne

    • @NZTruckingMag
      @NZTruckingMag  3 года назад

      Hi Les, thanks for making contact, glad you’re enjoying the content. No RL or S Bedfords yet unfortunately. But you might have seen the TK retro test? Check it out: ruclips.net/video/rF4yAk995v4/видео.html

  • @AugustoMedia
    @AugustoMedia 4 года назад +7

    Awesome video guys! Bring on the end of Covid so you can bring on episode 4!! Any hints on what the next retro could be?

    • @NZTruckingMag
      @NZTruckingMag  4 года назад

      Leon Kirkbeck that would be telling... 😜

  • @finewinerob
    @finewinerob 3 года назад +3

    F-ckn awesome.

  • @HughSmith-kz8bt
    @HughSmith-kz8bt 3 месяца назад

    Put 2 more trailers on and she will come alive

  • @Hizpwa
    @Hizpwa 4 месяца назад

    interesting facts the new macks come just like them indicators - its odd to drive them and the indicators are exactly the same

  • @yalefail
    @yalefail 3 года назад +1

    Im hoping and praying for a t2670 vid

  • @drewadams5629
    @drewadams5629 6 месяцев назад

    I want this truck but as my fuel tank wagon

  • @357bullfrog9
    @357bullfrog9 3 года назад +1

    I thought for sure they were going to play a c w mcall song. Sure glad they didn't.

  • @darrenking3187
    @darrenking3187 2 года назад +1

    Is that Bully Point, it’s been a few years now..