I think he means that you can be a homosexual christian and accept your forbidden desires and not practice it, or you can be gay and practice your desires, but you'll be expelled as a christian.
I actually attended this “Journey Into Manhood” weekend years ago. These videos portray it accurately, but omit many of the more disturbing practices led by unskilled, unlicensed, non-professionals. One of the men I attended with ended up committing suicide. One of the founders - Dave Matheson - has now come out as gay and disavowed his harmful practices. Thankfully, I survived and - shocker - I’m still gay and have happily been with my partner for 5 years now. If you are reading this and considering conversion therapy, please know the people running these camps are deeply misguided and ashamed of who they are. You are beautiful just as you are, and your sexuality does NOT need any repairing!
Also, Rich Wyler - the other founder of “People Can Change”, which apparently now calls itself “Brothers Road” after all the scandals, and who is featured in these videos - lived as a gay man for a long time then decided to be a good Mormon boy and marry a woman. He claims to be happily married, and he also happily makes money off of vulnerable, religiously abused, gay men convincing them they can “heal” their sexuality. I’ve seen him get naked and frolic in the woods with other naked men in “non-sexual and healing ways.” Stay away, people!
KK's anime and stuff YT, have you ever thought that your parents might be disturbed and just wrong, or maybe just wacko members of a cult that mean well, but are brainwashed? I promise you that you are not disgusting. I don’t think there is any evidence for the existence of a God, but if there is a God, how could he hate his own creation or find his own child disgusting? That doesn’t make sense. It’s just the brainwashing from your parents’ cult that has you thinking that way... I know, I was in it for years and thought the same way. It has you twisting your mind in knots... but I promise you it’s bullshit. You are awesome, you are beautiful just the way you are. If you’re not already, then soon you will be an adult and can get away from your parents and their cult. There is so much more to life! Being gay is actually AWESOME!!! You’ll have so much fun and meet amazing people and build your own family that loves and accepts you for who you are! Anyone who doesn’t see how wonderful you are - even your own parents - are sick and twisted by their own bigotry. THEY are the ones with the problem... NOT YOU!!! Don’t give in, don’t give up... I promise you it will get better! Much love, brother! ❤️
Anyone who tells you that you can change your sexual orientation is a fool and a liar... these programs damage and hurt people. If you need help, find a qualified, licensed therapist with experience working with LGBTQ youth, and who won’t try and convince you that there’s something wrong with you! And you can always call and talk to someone at: www.thetrevorproject.org
@bendover I can go and post a bunch of articles and reports and say that they are factually and logically correct, i can write post about my option and say that they are factually and logically correct, and they could still not be correct. you can't change who you love, some camp can't just change that it ridicules to think that. there are many other people who have done research on that matter, but if you did your own you would know that.
hell yes! represent! not all people who call themselves Christians are true believers. some are true believers but have been indoctrinated and misinformed. the rest of us love all of humanity and do not judge or condemn people in the LGBTQ community at all. i look forward to a brighter future where all Christians are educated instead of indoctrinated, and show love and kindness to all human beings. it's happening slowly but surely. the media doesn't like to show it, but one day i hope that this won't be an issue to report on anymore. stop the hate, people. only God can tell you where you belong.
is that necessarily a bad thing, though? Don't get me wrong, I probably would be upset about it if I was christian. But as humanity moves through time, at what point does a book written by people who lived before the advent of science, or globalized communication, become out-dated? Honestly, I don't think christ's message was to fearfully cling to a single interpretation of righteousness for dear life. anyone who believes that hasn't thought hard enough abut "love thy neighbor" or "judge not, lest ye be judged."
I went to a christian private school and literally half to 3 quarters of them were atheists. We used to go into the religion classes and just run a muck and cause trouble because literaly nobody cared about the bullshit stories they tried to force feed us.(and this is in a christian school) To me christianity is just a cult. The largest cult in the world, and the christian people, just like any other cult are so brainwashed into believing this crap that they refuse to aknowledge what is actually happening in the real world. The bible is literaly the only thing they know.
I just don't get how people can be so homophobic.. One of the biggest things homophobes say about gay people is "gay is a choice" when if that statement was actually true, then the person themselves could "choose to be gay." So you're actually contradicting your statement by saying that. So that statement is absolutely bull. Gay. Is. Okay. -a loving Christian
@@thefrunter4596 I think she means it contradicts their nature to be straight, because if they chose to do something gay, they would know that, despite being straight, they're still unchangably straight, just that... they maaajorly fucked up!
So here’s my deal: I believe in equality. If your God doesn’t then I want nothing to do with your God. Yes, equality for homosexuals, for people of colour and for women. God is fair and discrimination isn’t. So if your God does discriminate he isn’t God. Sipping that fucking tea
I'm lesbian. I know God loves me and he is okay with me not liking men. I was sexually abused by my father as a child and into my early teens until I ran away and seeked help. Now that I'm older, I don't have attractions towards men at all, I never have. I am in love with a woman now and we can't wait to get married. We're both Asian and we plan on having a Japanese wedding. I love her so much and can't wait to spend the rest of my life with her. She is my bestfriend.
JED Productions god doesn't send people to hell, he offers every opportunity to help them. But it is impossible for God to be in the presence of sin, so he sent Jesus to take our sin from us (very simple explanation) and take our place in hell. Its up to us now if we want to continue living in sin then we need to take the punishment we've been told we will get (hell) or we can repent and trust in Jesus' ability to take our sin from us. God believes in free will thats why he gives UA this choice.
Tom Obeid God is such a great guy, he let's you choose between eternal torment if you don't kiss his ass and his stupid archaic rules or you can spend time in heaven with a lot of christians. Not sure which is worse though... Tom please sit down now. There is nothing you imagine as god in the universe and free will is an illusion. Now leave the religious bullshit behind and enjoy life as long as you can.
gulliver Actually you can... Just like you dislike or disagree with things you dont hate... When you argue with your mother you dont hate her ... do you? When you say you dont like dogs doesnt mean you hate dogs..
White Knight that's disliking black people. Homophobia is comparable to racism; people are BORN gay, and they cannot change it. It is a part of who they are.
Well the bible says jesus christ forgives and accepts sinners and welcomes them into his father's precense despite the fact that they were super terrible sinners. Maybe the Christian community should follow in Jesus's example and be kind and accepting of others, even if they are different or have a 'dark or stained' history. I wouldn't say the whole of the Christian community is hateful. There are just some people who can be very close-minded and act terribly against people who are not like them or have beliefs like them within the ranks.
How about you can't be Christian and hate gay people. God believes you should love everyone no matter what color, race, or sexuality they are. So for you to hate them, you're not Christian
If I believe that the way someone lives is going to send them to eternal torture is t not more loving to tell them and try and help them though it or is it more loving to say "you do you" and then send them off to eternal torture and pain. Which one is more loving?
Tom Obeid he was talking about hating them, didn't say anything about trying to change them. Plus don't you think people like gays, atheists, and people with other religions living here don't already hear about how they're going to be tortured forever if they don't change they're ways? At that point it's obvious they don't believe the same things you do and they don't want to here the same threat of external torture all the time, they've heard it enough already
First of all I agree Christians shouldn't hate! The only thing they should hate is sin and I don't agree with all these violent 'therapy' some organizations do, also not very christian. But I'm sorry I just don't believe from both a religious and secular moral perspective that if you saw someone with a gun to there head about to pull the trigger saying 'nah its fine I don't think it will kill me so it won't' you wouldn't do everything you could to stop them from killing themselves even though they don't think it will hurt them. I sorry I just can't conceive of a letting someone have some shirt to term gain for themselves only to eventually suffer for longer and in worse ways, for the christian that is there worldview. If sinners be damned, at least let them leap to Hell over our dead bodies. And if they perish, let them perish with our arms wrapped about their knees, imploring them to stay. "If Hell must be filled, let it be filled in the teeth of our exertions, and let not one go unwarned and unprayed for" thats quote from Charles surgeon and I kinda think it illustrates my point quite nicely
Exactly and thats where they miss the point of everything. Its quiet messed up when you think about it, the Jew persecuted Jesus on the grounds that he offend god. now Christians persecute gays because they offend god. You would of though think that people could find out that wrong already
"Look at the outside of this man. Look into his physical appearance. Look into this man's heart. Look into his soul. Now look more deeply." Uh... that seems kinda counter-productive, no? I mean, gay conversion therapy is pseudo-scientific nonsense anyway but I'm baffled at how they think putting a bunch of men in a room and having them get all up-close and personal with each other would make them less likely to fall in love with other men. That doesn't even SOUND like it'd work. Just stop giving them shit for being gay! If you're spending that much time worrying over what other consenting adults are doing in the bedroom, you're the one with the problem, not them!
Why on earth would anyone want to be a Christian? I'm a straight man and I don't believe that there's a thing in the world that can change a person's sexuality. It's like going up to a horse and saying "you're a duck, a fucking duck, you can be a duck if you want to be a duck, you just have to try and be a duck". Now you may get that horse to act like a duck, but it's still a horse. Let it be a horse.
Some people are raised to believe that way. I was and even though I was skeptical my entire life I still dealt with it until my early 20's. I think religious indoctrination of ANY kind is mental child abuse. I would teach my children about religion and the different religions and the fact that people don't believe, and let them make up their own minds. If they choose to be religious later in life, I will still love them. I may not agree with the choice but it's their life to do with what they want.
There are many types of christians, these are on the border of insanity. I don't think anyone can be blamed for something that doesn't depends from his choice
William Gilbert I think what he means is that you can be attracted to the same sex and be christian but not living a 'gay lifestyle' if you will, like have a same sex partner and be christian. In my opinion that's total bullshit, although I'm not really fond of religion in general but as long as they're not hurting anyone people should be able to believe whatever they want to
*none of the stated below reflects my opinions* I think what he's saying is that you can have an attraction to the same sex, But acting on it clashes with Christianity. That's just what I got from it. But like I said, that is not my personal opinion :)
William Gilbert He's a psychologist who believes homosexuality is pathological. So it makes sense within his belief. He believes you can be Christian and have a psychological disorder but not act on those impulses. I guess.
+aCynicalPie PRECISELY,aCynicalPie! That's the Distinction these Soldiers for ChrISIS,Christofascists/Judeo-fascist,or Whatever Extreme,usually Fundamentalist,Frequently "right"-Wing Religious Fascist either Fail/Don't Wish to make,or Ignore.MOST Refuse to accept Sexual Orientation as a largely Inborn,Genetically-Determined FACT. Most Insist that Being Homosexual is a Choice,a Sinful Choice,the Better to Justify their Condemning Judgment of it}OR,RARELY,Accepting Homosexual,or Bisexual Orientations as Determined,not Chosen Condemn Acting on that a SINFUL CHOICE,"Lifestyle" being the favored term. UNLESS one accepts that Any Sexual Activity before and Outside of Marriage[Heterosexual Marriage]is FORBIDDEN,they Condemn ALL Non-Heterosexuals to Loveless,Sexless Lives!!!!
+Ether Collins People get hung up on the stereotypes, especially if they live in a small town and don't have exposure to real gay people. That was my experience. Grew up in a really small town (pop 5000), and knew absolutely no one gay. Was raised in a horrible Christian fundamentalist household. For years while I was miserably closeted, I thought that gay people were a bunch of depressed sex-addicts desperately searching for meaning in endless one night stands of dangerous and bizarre sexual acts, endless drugs, and countless bottles of booze, which ultimately ended in a dramatic suicide. It's been more than a decade since I finally admitted to myself that I'm gay, and almost 10 years since I came out, and I'm still working on undoing all the damage caused by the filtered information, or even lack thereof, that I grew up with.
+633r Many christians define homosexual as the state of liking or having feelings for the same sex while gay is acting on those feelings. Many catholic churches throughout the U.S. preach this, 'You can be homosexual but not be gay (act on it)'
+macroxela "Many catholic churches throughout the U.S. preach this, 'You can be homosexual but not be gay (act on it)'" It's out of necessity, how else are they going to get new priests?
+633r I honestly wanted to punch that guy in his big nose when said lol. I was like IT'S THE SAME THING!!! They always try to reword shit just to try to have it make sense in their heads. It's so annoying.
WessCNY I thought the same and snickered, but as I watched him, I had a sad. It seems he may have cancer or some form of disease that causes bloating. :c
CignistBear well considering just about all of them "were" gay, I wouldnt be surprised at all if they are really still gay. The leader guy from Exodus said that like 95% of the people he treated never really change and that he him self was still gay after all those years of running the organization.
KJ Gulyban you don't have to know him to know that he doesn't want people to hate one another. Nor oneself. As someone who read the Bible every day as a child I never got the message that god hates gay or anyone for that fact but that all he wants is for people to love one another.
instead of having places where you teach people that they're "not gay" when they are maybe you could make a place where you teach people to love themselves
Cassie Street or maybe a place to help people sort out how they really feel or their emotions. Then they'd feel more confident about who they really are as a person. I would like it if people were given a chance to explore their feelings in an environment that wont prosecute or shame them and their decisions as they come to relize who they are and what they want while being in the precense of people who will support them and maybe warn them about the hardships or negative impacts their future lives may present.
@@mrkekman9526 I’m thinking you forgot that we are all sinners and Jesus died on the cross so our sins can be forgiven. I don’t believe being gay is a sin but if it was it would be forgiven just like every other sin.
+Michelle Melilli Yeah, But isn't the thing that God makes things happen to you? So he didn't create a murderous or criminal fetus, but he would have created the path the person would go down to become said... right? Idk I'm not that kind of religious
Jerry mcGimbles I'm pretty sure he didn't graduate high school, let alone get a degree in psychology. In part 1 the way he used the term "social construct" in the beginning made me cringe
I’m straight and I cant imagine going to a camp that could make me stop loving dick. I respect the fact that different people have different beliefs though and I hope every guy that struggles with this within themselves find some sort of peace.
Gracie Beauregard Holy shit same but I’m like so confused like sometimes I do believe and sometimes I don’t And is confusing P.S my parents are Hispanic so if they find out they’ll probably disown me
"You can be homosexual and Christian, but you can't be gay and Christian." Last time I've checked, there wasn't a difference between homosexual and gay. Can't fix stupid.
I really feel for the guys who lead and later left the ex-gay movement. I was in a similar position where i was on the leadership of a group who believed not in getting rid of ones' sexuality, but not living it and confessing their "sins" and "attractions". I am so grateful to have left and been able to live the life I want. I am really glad other people realize that too and I hope that they are all able to leave before even more damage is done.
Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.
you know who god actually hate,, people like you,, who think,,, you are the one who decided,, if the love of the father is not on you,, then you didn't even know god,,
I am a homosexual and I'm a devout Christian. The Bible isn't meant to be taken literally. The Bible also says that you're supposed to stone adulterers, yet people no longer practice that. there are many things in the Bible that are simply no longer culturally appropriate.
I went to the Journey into Manhood website, and they are still going. They currently have a waitlist to get into their retreat. This is so heartbreaking.
The genteman who works in nuclear power, helps people figure out ex-gay therapy shams, and wears stilletos looking amazing, is literally whom I want my children to look at as a hero - someone who's not just successful because they're making money or doing what they love, but also giving back and volunteering to help someone, actually help people, not hate on people or put people down. That's MY kind of hero, and he makes me want to be a better man.
So many of these men are like "I had sexual attraction towards men... but I also wanted a family, children, a normal life, etc." but I feel like they don't even realise a number of things: 1) Bisexuality is a thing. So is pansexuality. Just throwing that out there because people seem to forget like. all the time. 2) You can still have a family if you're gay?? Just because the majority of the gay community is really into sex doesn't mean you can't have a partner and settle down... adopt or have a surrogate. And I know a lot of those things play into what you think is "right" and morally acceptable by your religion but like... come on guys. 3) Heteronormativity (this is my own definition): having your opinion on LGBT+ altered issues simply because the majority of the open, public community is straight/cis. It makes you think that you want these things, even though you naturally don't. Not saying that's always the case but it's possible. Not to mention I'd like to see where that anti-gay psychologist got all those "facts" from, and ask him if gay people "aren't physically compatible", then why is a man's g-spot up his ass?? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
I'm gay, have only had sex with 2 people... And my fiancé has only had sex with 1 person... Me... And we've been together for 3-1/2 years and have never had a true fight and love each other very much. Yes we both have anxiety and depression, but it's not because we're gay .. it's because people have been abusive towards us throughout our lives for being gay. Being gay doesn't cause mental health problems, being treated like shit by other people for being gay is what causes mental health issues. That should be obvious.
Every religion is a lie. Just the fact there is more than one should tell you that. And for all the undeserved love religion gets here is the ignored side. I mean for fucks sake do you really need to be under constant threat of eternal punishment to be a good person?
1 we 'good' people (even though Christians are still sinners) because we follow what god says because we trust he knows what's best for us, the whole swapping eternal punishment for eternal paradise thing is just one of the perks 2 are you really suggesting that we should use the world view of "there's more hen one veiw on the same topic so they must all be wrong" some scientist believe the big bang happened some believe other things happened in the early universe, by your logic that means the most scientifically credible idea is wrong because some people disagree with it and think there way is right
Tom Obeid 1 you accept blame for a sin you never committed. 2 you trust a being that blames you for a sin you never committed. 3 If such a god were real why would it be so bad at conveying its message? Its not having a diffrent view its believing in an all powerful being that is incapable of convincing its own creations that it exists.
They can try but it doesn't really work and that's why gay conversion therapy should be banned from being practiced on minors by "licensed medical professionals". If adults want to make themselves miserable by not accepting themselves that is their business. however, the people offering these retreats are doing more harm than good and feeding off the self denial and hatred of these gay men and that is hardly ethical...
+♥ CHRISTINE ♥ agreed, kids are confused enough about themselves to introduce something like conversion therapy into their lives. But if a gay man wants to be straight, let him try all he likes
Wait, isn’t this Sam guy the one caught stealing women luggage at the airport twice ? Seems like a really stable person that’s trustworthy with nuclear waste and so…
What's sad is a lot of these men have married women and 20/30 years later they are crushing their spouses by admitting they never should've married them in the 1st place and are leaving them for another man. Leave your truth so that both of you don't throw away decades of your lives on fraud
If he's separating Homosexuality from being "gay". He's basically saying you can't be a happy Christian. Cause that's legit the only other definition of the word.
"God couldn't love them the way they are." There isn't a more inaccurate statement in this world. I ask you this: If a father tried for years to have a child with his wife and one day found out she was pregnant, but that the child had severe spina bifida, after all those years, would he not see his child as perfect, despite his/her infirmity?
cellogirl11RW you imply that being gay is an infirmity which is still part of the problem, it's no different then being straight so how about adjusting to the father having a kid and loving him in any light that may just naturally happen
I gotta be honest and say I did not expect the guy with the red mohawk to be a Nuclear Physicist working on advanced nuclear reactors, with 2 graduate degrees from MIT. It was my #3 guess, but had him pegged as a veterinarian. I think it's awesome they have someone of that intellect working Actively against these terror camps. Talk about a way to make sure your kids hate you forever!!! Your going to gay cure camp son. I feel bad for people who have to go through this abuse, and am so glad times are changing. Slowly, but at least to semi-intelligent people, SURELY!
Not even a minute in and I’m already confused. “You can be homosexual and Christian, but you can’t be gay and Christian” Homophobes points make 0 sense.
you can't be gay and christian but you can be homosexual and christian? what? i literally paused the video to be able to process his ignorance
I know! I probably lost brain cells lmao. wtf
I think he means that you can be a homosexual christian and accept your forbidden desires and not practice it, or you can be gay and practice your desires, but you'll be expelled as a christian.
crybaby same what even is this
crybaby ikr such a mind fuck. Hahahahah
for real....that makes no sense. o well, just goes to show that dude IS infact as fucking stupid as he seems.
I know they're trying their hardest
but the gayness gets me through the screen
hahahaaahaaaaa
Exactly. The are extremely gay
lol
I love ur pfp lady gagas harley is my current obsession
"You can't be gay and Christian, but you can be homosexual and Christian."
What a smart man wow I'm 100% cured from my bisexuality well done religion
This ain't religion, this is just some people trying to make money
As he said that I turned straight
When he said u can't be gay and Christian ... ✨I am driven to heterosexuality✨
You can be an LGBTQ person and believe in Christ at the same time because Christ loves you and welcomes you in eternal life as you are!!!!
I about spit out my coffee when I heard that!!
You know that a bunch of these guys are hooking up when no one is looking, right??
Wendy Sgobbo totally agree
Totally my thoughts exactly. They are all just repressed as fuck.
"now look more deeply"
suddenly i find myself suppressing a smirk
Wendy Sgobbo I know right. This makes me want to watch "But I'm A Cheerleader."
Wendy Sgobbo I hope they are
all those tight ass shirts arent ganna hold the gay in
Alexandria Wright Best comment 😂😂😂😂
I actually attended this “Journey Into Manhood” weekend years ago. These videos portray it accurately, but omit many of the more disturbing practices led by unskilled, unlicensed, non-professionals. One of the men I attended with ended up committing suicide. One of the founders - Dave Matheson - has now come out as gay and disavowed his harmful practices. Thankfully, I survived and - shocker - I’m still gay and have happily been with my partner for 5 years now. If you are reading this and considering conversion therapy, please know the people running these camps are deeply misguided and ashamed of who they are. You are beautiful just as you are, and your sexuality does NOT need any repairing!
Also, Rich Wyler - the other founder of “People Can Change”, which apparently now calls itself “Brothers Road” after all the scandals, and who is featured in these videos - lived as a gay man for a long time then decided to be a good Mormon boy and marry a woman. He claims to be happily married, and he also happily makes money off of vulnerable, religiously abused, gay men convincing them they can “heal” their sexuality. I’ve seen him get naked and frolic in the woods with other naked men in “non-sexual and healing ways.” Stay away, people!
I should still do it because if my parents find out they will shame me and God hates me and finds me disgusting
KK's anime and stuff YT, have you ever thought that your parents might be disturbed and just wrong, or maybe just wacko members of a cult that mean well, but are brainwashed? I promise you that you are not disgusting. I don’t think there is any evidence for the existence of a God, but if there is a God, how could he hate his own creation or find his own child disgusting? That doesn’t make sense. It’s just the brainwashing from your parents’ cult that has you thinking that way... I know, I was in it for years and thought the same way. It has you twisting your mind in knots... but I promise you it’s bullshit. You are awesome, you are beautiful just the way you are. If you’re not already, then soon you will be an adult and can get away from your parents and their cult. There is so much more to life! Being gay is actually AWESOME!!! You’ll have so much fun and meet amazing people and build your own family that loves and accepts you for who you are! Anyone who doesn’t see how wonderful you are - even your own parents - are sick and twisted by their own bigotry. THEY are the ones with the problem... NOT YOU!!! Don’t give in, don’t give up... I promise you it will get better! Much love, brother! ❤️
Anyone who tells you that you can change your sexual orientation is a fool and a liar... these programs damage and hurt people. If you need help, find a qualified, licensed therapist with experience working with LGBTQ youth, and who won’t try and convince you that there’s something wrong with you! And you can always call and talk to someone at: www.thetrevorproject.org
Thank you!!!! So many need to hear this and I love that you put this message here for them💕
"Alright, Queens! Let's cure our gayness... WITH A LAVISH MUSICAL, HIT IT, HONEY!"
Right?? Like, theater is one of the gayest activities lmao
I’m going straight... to heaven
Lavish Musical sounds like an excellent drag name lol 😂
Lol I'm ill in bed and in a lot of pain but your comment made me laugh *ouch
@@JuliaMarieHngl once I had to do drama for high school, I first went "oh god no" and now I'm at "hey this is actually pretty fun"
That psychologist makes me feel shame towards my profession. He should have his licensed removed. The video about that weekend camp was just sad.
Everything he said was factually and logically correct. I think you need to grow the fuck up and remove your feeling life frame from reality.
He’s actually since passed away. So he’s not “treating” anyone now.
Hey Ben, didn't you teachers always tell you to show your work?
The idiot not only died, but of the flu no less!
@bendover I can go and post a bunch of articles and reports and say that they are factually and logically correct, i can write post about my option and say that they are factually and logically correct, and they could still not be correct. you can't change who you love, some camp can't just change that it ridicules to think that. there are many other people who have done research on that matter, but if you did your own you would know that.
TheTfroggy912 Halleluhhh
"Through all of this, I remained gay, but became suicidal."
Heartbreaking 😢
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"you can't be christian and gay" just you watch me m8
lol..are you both?
+Johan Voellner yes
well, in this fkd up world, all the best to you
hell yes! represent! not all people who call themselves Christians are true believers. some are true believers but have been indoctrinated and misinformed. the rest of us love all of humanity and do not judge or condemn people in the LGBTQ community at all. i look forward to a brighter future where all Christians are educated instead of indoctrinated, and show love and kindness to all human beings. it's happening slowly but surely. the media doesn't like to show it, but one day i hope that this won't be an issue to report on anymore. stop the hate, people. only God can tell you where you belong.
I just love your comment 😄
Christianity is slowly dying. I'm not joking half of my school are atheists.
is that necessarily a bad thing, though? Don't get me wrong, I probably would be upset about it if I was christian. But as humanity moves through time, at what point does a book written by people who lived before the advent of science, or globalized communication, become out-dated? Honestly, I don't think christ's message was to fearfully cling to a single interpretation of righteousness for dear life. anyone who believes that hasn't thought hard enough abut "love thy neighbor" or "judge not, lest ye be judged."
I went to a christian private school and literally half to 3 quarters of them were atheists. We used to go into the religion classes and just run a muck and cause trouble because literaly nobody cared about the bullshit stories they tried to force feed us.(and this is in a christian school) To me christianity is just a cult. The largest cult in the world, and the christian people, just like any other cult are so brainwashed into believing this crap that they refuse to aknowledge what is actually happening in the real world. The bible is literaly the only thing they know.
Here in Scotland, I'd be surprised if You could find a Christian in my school
Atheism is this millenniums Christianity. Half the people who claim to be atheists don't even know what it's about.
Thank god
"You can't be gay and a christian but you can be homosexual and also be a christian".
NIGGA WHAT?!
ya girl cece Which is why if the results of these "therapies" is that the "patients" can't relate to anyone then that's considered a "success".
I just don't get how people can be so homophobic..
One of the biggest things homophobes say about gay people is "gay is a choice" when if that statement was actually true, then the person themselves could "choose to be gay." So you're actually contradicting your statement by saying that. So that statement is absolutely bull.
Gay.
Is.
Okay.
-a loving Christian
Wait so how does it contradict? Lol you never explained
@@thefrunter4596 its self explanatory
@@thefrunter4596 I think she means it contradicts their nature to be straight, because if they chose to do something gay, they would know that, despite being straight, they're still unchangably straight, just that... they maaajorly fucked up!
@@biitchimballin93 Her wording is missing something...
When did you chose to be straight?
So here’s my deal:
I believe in equality. If your God doesn’t then I want nothing to do with your God. Yes, equality for homosexuals, for people of colour and for women. God is fair and discrimination isn’t. So if your God does discriminate he isn’t God.
Sipping that fucking tea
Mona Lisa preach girl!!!❤❤❤
William Levy
The top 3 religions which have the most followers (Christianity, Islam and Catholicism) have male Gods.
Preach.
👏🏾👏🏾
Mariah Coleman you could have said, ' "god doesn't hate anyone that's like his whole thing." These guys are just wrong to think otherwise.'
you can't choose to be gay but you can choose to have a bad haircut... I'm talking to you Sam Brinton
Dying
It's the classic male pattern baldness mohawk.
I'm lesbian. I know God loves me and he is okay with me not liking men. I was sexually abused by my father as a child and into my early teens until I ran away and seeked help. Now that I'm older, I don't have attractions towards men at all, I never have. I am in love with a woman now and we can't wait to get married. We're both Asian and we plan on having a Japanese wedding. I love her so much and can't wait to spend the rest of my life with her. She is my bestfriend.
I can't picture God sending someone to hell for just being gay
JED Productions god doesn't send people to hell, he offers every opportunity to help them. But it is impossible for God to be in the presence of sin, so he sent Jesus to take our sin from us (very simple explanation) and take our place in hell. Its up to us now if we want to continue living in sin then we need to take the punishment we've been told we will get (hell) or we can repent and trust in Jesus' ability to take our sin from us. God believes in free will thats why he gives UA this choice.
I hope that you two will live a happy and a long life together. Good luck with the wedding :)
JED Productions yea thats really messed up right
Tom Obeid God is such a great guy, he let's you choose between eternal torment if you don't kiss his ass and his stupid archaic rules or you can spend time in heaven with a lot of christians. Not sure which is worse though...
Tom please sit down now. There is nothing you imagine as god in the universe and free will is an illusion. Now leave the religious bullshit behind and enjoy life as long as you can.
Well I think that cannot be homophobic and Christian because Jesus taught us to love and homophobia is filled with hatred.
Jordan green It’s filled with hatred? You don’t think it’s possible for someone to disagree with homosexuality but not hate gay people?
no, that's literally hate
gulliver Actually you can... Just like you dislike or disagree with things you dont hate... When you argue with your mother you dont hate her ... do you? When you say you dont like dogs doesnt mean you hate dogs..
White Knight that's disliking black people. Homophobia is comparable to racism; people are BORN gay, and they cannot change it. It is a part of who they are.
Well the bible says jesus christ forgives and accepts sinners and welcomes them into his father's precense despite the fact that they were super terrible sinners. Maybe the Christian community should follow in Jesus's example and be kind and accepting of others, even if they are different or have a 'dark or stained' history.
I wouldn't say the whole of the Christian community is hateful. There are just some people who can be very close-minded and act terribly against people who are not like them or have beliefs like them within the ranks.
How about you can't be Christian and hate gay people. God believes you should love everyone no matter what color, race, or sexuality they are. So for you to hate them, you're not Christian
If I believe that the way someone lives is going to send them to eternal torture is t not more loving to tell them and try and help them though it or is it more loving to say "you do you" and then send them off to eternal torture and pain. Which one is more loving?
Tom Obeid he was talking about hating them, didn't say anything about trying to change them. Plus don't you think people like gays, atheists, and people with other religions living here don't already hear about how they're going to be tortured forever if they don't change they're ways? At that point it's obvious they don't believe the same things you do and they don't want to here the same threat of external torture all the time, they've heard it enough already
First of all I agree Christians shouldn't hate! The only thing they should hate is sin and I don't agree with all these violent 'therapy' some organizations do, also not very christian. But I'm sorry I just don't believe from both a religious and secular moral perspective that if you saw someone with a gun to there head about to pull the trigger saying 'nah its fine I don't think it will kill me so it won't' you wouldn't do everything you could to stop them from killing themselves even though they don't think it will hurt them. I sorry I just can't conceive of a letting someone have some shirt to term gain for themselves only to eventually suffer for longer and in worse ways, for the christian that is there worldview. If sinners be damned, at least let them leap to Hell over our dead bodies. And if they perish, let them perish with our arms wrapped about their knees, imploring them to stay. "If Hell must be filled, let it be filled in the teeth of our exertions, and let not one go unwarned and unprayed for" thats quote from Charles surgeon and I kinda think it illustrates my point quite nicely
Exactly and thats where they miss the point of everything. Its quiet messed up when you think about it, the Jew persecuted Jesus on the grounds that he offend god. now Christians persecute gays because they offend god. You would of though think that people could find out that wrong already
The bible is open to many interpretations and just because some people don't follow it the same way you do doesn't make them not a Christian.
I have a question. WHAT THE FUCK?
Lamp Follow up question: why?
HERSHISKISS follow up follow up q: did u watch the fucking video?
I feel you dude the homophobs are fucking disgusting
Lamp honestly same
I am lamp! Jajajajajaj😹😹
"Look at the outside of this man. Look into his physical appearance. Look into this man's heart. Look into his soul. Now look more deeply."
Uh... that seems kinda counter-productive, no?
I mean, gay conversion therapy is pseudo-scientific nonsense anyway but I'm baffled at how they think putting a bunch of men in a room and having them get all up-close and personal with each other would make them less likely to fall in love with other men. That doesn't even SOUND like it'd work.
Just stop giving them shit for being gay! If you're spending that much time worrying over what other consenting adults are doing in the bedroom, you're the one with the problem, not them!
Them saying that just made me feel more gay XD
Why on earth would anyone want to be a Christian?
I'm a straight man and I don't believe that there's a thing in the world that can change a person's sexuality.
It's like going up to a horse and saying "you're a duck, a fucking duck, you can be a duck if you want to be a duck, you just have to try and be a duck".
Now you may get that horse to act like a duck, but it's still a horse. Let it be a horse.
Some people are raised to believe that way. I was and even though I was skeptical my entire life I still dealt with it until my early 20's. I think religious indoctrination of ANY kind is mental child abuse. I would teach my children about religion and the different religions and the fact that people don't believe, and let them make up their own minds. If they choose to be religious later in life, I will still love them. I may not agree with the choice but it's their life to do with what they want.
There are many types of christians, these are on the border of insanity. I don't think anyone can be blamed for something that doesn't depends from his choice
well I am glad that you represent the standard of absolute truth on the matter.
Do I detect sarcasm or has my cynical nature thwarted me?
TheRealAnarchrox yea, maybe.
As a straight man, maybe you should also think that there are not many things that can change a persons faith.
"you cant be gay and christian, but you can be homosexual and christian" How does that make sense?
William Gilbert I think what he means is that you can be attracted to the same sex and be christian but not living a 'gay lifestyle' if you will, like have a same sex partner and be christian. In my opinion that's total bullshit, although I'm not really fond of religion in general but as long as they're not hurting anyone people should be able to believe whatever they want to
*none of the stated below reflects my opinions*
I think what he's saying is that you can have an attraction to the same sex, But acting on it clashes with Christianity. That's just what I got from it. But like I said, that is not my personal opinion :)
William Gilbert He's a psychologist who believes homosexuality is pathological. So it makes sense within his belief. He believes you can be Christian and have a psychological disorder but not act on those impulses. I guess.
Tell that to my moms. They're lesbians and they still force me to go to church.
+aCynicalPie PRECISELY,aCynicalPie! That's the Distinction these Soldiers for ChrISIS,Christofascists/Judeo-fascist,or Whatever Extreme,usually Fundamentalist,Frequently "right"-Wing Religious Fascist either Fail/Don't Wish to make,or Ignore.MOST Refuse to accept Sexual Orientation as a largely Inborn,Genetically-Determined FACT.
Most Insist that Being Homosexual is a Choice,a Sinful Choice,the Better to Justify their Condemning Judgment of it}OR,RARELY,Accepting Homosexual,or Bisexual Orientations as Determined,not Chosen Condemn Acting on that a SINFUL CHOICE,"Lifestyle" being the favored term.
UNLESS one accepts that Any Sexual Activity before and Outside of Marriage[Heterosexual Marriage]is FORBIDDEN,they Condemn ALL Non-Heterosexuals to Loveless,Sexless Lives!!!!
I mean who said gay people can't be boring suburban dads ? Why do they think it's all sex,drugs and endless clubbing
+Ether Collins People get hung up on the stereotypes, especially if they live in a small town and don't have exposure to real gay people. That was my experience. Grew up in a really small town (pop 5000), and knew absolutely no one gay. Was raised in a horrible Christian fundamentalist household. For years while I was miserably closeted, I thought that gay people were a bunch of depressed sex-addicts desperately searching for meaning in endless one night stands of dangerous and bizarre sexual acts, endless drugs, and countless bottles of booze, which ultimately ended in a dramatic suicide. It's been more than a decade since I finally admitted to myself that I'm gay, and almost 10 years since I came out, and I'm still working on undoing all the damage caused by the filtered information, or even lack thereof, that I grew up with.
There's a point in life where you say "I'm too old for this shit." and stop. It's just too much on the hips and back man.
"you can be homosexual and christian, but you can't be gay and christian" .-.
God damn republicans
LMAO ITS LIKE HE DOESNT KNOW THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE
+Thomas Sawyer Does that hurt your mind ?
+Thomas Sawyer The mans obviously a fucking idiot
+Thomas Sawyer I literally just looked at the comments to see if anyone else noticed.
whats this difference between gay and homosexual"? Arent they the same?
+633r Yes, they are the same. I have no idea what that person is talking about.
+633r Many christians define homosexual as the state of liking or having feelings for the same sex while gay is acting on those feelings. Many catholic churches throughout the U.S. preach this, 'You can be homosexual but not be gay (act on it)'
That's it pretty much. It's just the newest way of saying "Hate the sin not the sinner"
+macroxela "Many catholic churches throughout the U.S. preach this, 'You can be homosexual but not be gay (act on it)'" It's out of necessity, how else are they going to get new priests?
+633r I honestly wanted to punch that guy in his big nose when said lol. I was like IT'S THE SAME THING!!! They always try to reword shit just to try to have it make sense in their heads. It's so annoying.
Look at that guy's shirt @1:30. I've never seen anyone's clothes fit so badly. He knew he was going to be in this documentary.
I'm glad I'm not the only person who noticed that ️haha!
Looked like a human caterpillar!
This is my favorite comment
WessCNY I thought the same and snickered, but as I watched him, I had a sad. It seems he may have cancer or some form of disease that causes bloating. :c
+WessCNY "He knew he was going to be in this documentary" -- haha
That red hair guy is a genius
I doubt I could even read the TITLES of his textbooks and make sense of them, and I'm a pretty smart guy.
Marcelo Cortez she is indeed
A gay one
Sid
I want his born perfect shirt.
I bet they are all secretly gay. -_-
That's the whole point of that program.
swag
Clearly you didn't get it
lmao, not the gay people, the people trying to convert them so they become straight :P Kevs602 Zam W
CignistBear well considering just about all of them "were" gay, I wouldnt be surprised at all if they are really still gay.
The leader guy from Exodus said that like 95% of the people he treated never really change and that he him self was still gay after all those years of running the organization.
God doesn't love people who work for these places. Well he does. He's just disappointed.
You know god? Let me talk to him on line 3?
KJ Gulyban not even funny
KJ Gulyban you don't have to know him to know that he doesn't want people to hate one another. Nor oneself. As someone who read the Bible every day as a child I never got the message that god hates gay or anyone for that fact but that all he wants is for people to love one another.
There is no God
Psssss. god is more than likely not real!
instead of having places where you teach people that they're "not gay" when they are maybe you could make a place where you teach people to love themselves
Cassie Street or maybe a place to help people sort out how they really feel or their emotions. Then they'd feel more confident about who they really are as a person. I would like it if people were given a chance to explore their feelings in an environment that wont prosecute or shame them and their decisions as they come to relize who they are and what they want while being in the precense of people who will support them and maybe warn them about the hardships or negative impacts their future lives may present.
Anyone else noticed that none of these people are in shape?
They try to eat out of the gay... Nobody can leave the gay...
No cause who cares
Very Critical Of You Don't You Think?
because they hate themselves so much
"You cannot be a Christian and gay."
*I am a Christian and gay*
Oh hey! Starfire from Teen Titians, I haven't seen that show in years.
God bless you
Sure you can, but you'll pay for your sins.
@@mrkekman9526 I’m thinking you forgot that we are all sinners and Jesus died on the cross so our sins can be forgiven. I don’t believe being gay is a sin but if it was it would be forgiven just like every other sin.
@@alexthomas311The guy above is not a Christian.
god made me gay and god makes no mistake😚✨
not me im atheist LOL why woulldnt an all-knowing all-loving all-powerful just end gayness by his "grace" or his will?
You Tried It! people aren't born as murderers, theives, or rapists
+Michelle Melilli Yeah, But isn't the thing that God makes things happen to you? So he didn't create a murderous or criminal fetus, but he would have created the path the person would go down to become said... right? Idk I'm not that kind of religious
Hell Yeah!!!
You Tried It! Well the bible says that god made everything
"You can be homosexual and christian, but not gay and christian."
ALL OF MY WAT
Jerry mcGimbles I'm pretty sure he didn't graduate high school, let alone get a degree in psychology. In part 1 the way he used the term "social construct" in the beginning made me cringe
... his name is James Guay... That must have been hard in school considering his orientation. I'm sorry, it's just a strange coincidence!
"you can't be Christian and gay"
What if a guy's name is Christian and he's gay? Does the universe explode or something?
Clara CG yes
Yep
How old are you?
TheCoolCarhd
Ew. Why u asking ppls ages on the internet.
Pervert
I’m straight and I cant imagine going to a camp that could make me stop loving dick. I respect the fact that different people have different beliefs though and I hope every guy that struggles with this within themselves find some sort of peace.
“i remained gay, but became suicidal” this really is a way to sum up the issue in a single sentence
I'm bisexual and Catholic. I believe God made me this way for a reason
Gracie Beauregard
Holy shit same but I’m like so confused like sometimes I do believe and sometimes I don’t And is confusing
P.S my parents are Hispanic so if they find out they’ll probably disown me
Gracie Beauregard same!! Well Christian but you know
Gracie Beauregard
From one bisexual to another, You are wonderful as you are, gracie, don't forget that!!
Wrong
if homosexuals arent Christians... how do you explain priests? lol
Gay means into men. Priests are into boys.
@@coolusername337 golden reply
When he said, "At the sound of the drum beat, take one step to your left," I thought they were going to start doing the Hokey-Pokey.
I thought about the Cha Cha Slide
I love the lawyer and the nuclear physics gentleman! LOVE!
"Look at the outside of this man. Look at his physical appearance"
*stares*
"Step to your right"
Hol up, i ain't done yet!
"You can be homosexual and Christian, but you can't be gay and Christian."
Last time I've checked, there wasn't a difference between homosexual and gay. Can't fix stupid.
All the men in that group especially the first "psychologist" make me want to slap the sense into them!!!
I really feel for the guys who lead and later left the ex-gay movement. I was in a similar position where i was on the leadership of a group who believed not in getting rid of ones' sexuality, but not living it and confessing their "sins" and "attractions". I am so grateful to have left and been able to live the life I want. I am really glad other people realize that too and I hope that they are all able to leave before even more damage is done.
Why are so many people offended by the life choices and sexuality of OTHER people?
After watching this and looking back on part one, I feel like I can actually see the pain in all the participants of the conversion center.
"Look deeply into this mans eyes"
"Look at his physical appearance"
Sound like sonething you read in a lgbtq+ romance novel 😹😹😹
Good message, bad haircut.
LOL
I was about to say the same thing.
tomasruckett crying
God hates figs
-Mathew 21:19
Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.
you know who god actually hate,, people like you,, who think,,, you are the one who decided,, if the love of the father is not on you,, then you didn't even know god,,
***** goo.gl/iAjaS4
Yeah I'm allergic to figs so I gotta agree with this one
Sagaciousish I love fig newtond
In some terms, I bet ALMOST all of the people who watched this r part of lgbtq+ or an as (straight ally)
Yes
The way they run this camp would be like serving booze at Alcoholics Anonymous
I am a homosexual and I'm a devout Christian. The Bible isn't meant to be taken literally. The Bible also says that you're supposed to stone adulterers, yet people no longer practice that. there are many things in the Bible that are simply no longer culturally appropriate.
i wanna go to one of these and leave like YOURE SHIT AT YOUR JOB I STILL LIKE WOMEN
Man with the mohawk is beautiful and smart and brave. His partner is a very lucky guy.
These ex gay movements are so similar to cults. Like it's scary
I went to the Journey into Manhood website, and they are still going. They currently have a waitlist to get into their retreat. This is so heartbreaking.
You cannot be Christian and have an ex wife. You can be a Christian and be divorced but you cannot be Christian with an ex wife.
The gay energy is so strong
2:36 look at this and tell me they don't look gay
i think they are totally barebacking during that weekend experience
it's 2016. why are there still homophobes. 🤔🤔
You can’t “Ex” anything about a person except an ex
Dave divorced his wife of 34 years and intended to live his life as a gay man in 2019 :)
"You can't be gay and Christian but you can be homosexual and Christian" everybody applaud, those are the words of a true genius
5:32 SLAYYY WITH THOSE HEELS GURL!!! S.L.A.Y.
OOO HE STRUTTING
I literally just thought that hahah
The genteman who works in nuclear power, helps people figure out ex-gay therapy shams, and wears stilletos looking amazing, is literally whom I want my children to look at as a hero - someone who's not just successful because they're making money or doing what they love, but also giving back and volunteering to help someone, actually help people, not hate on people or put people down. That's MY kind of hero, and he makes me want to be a better man.
Matt Damon has a baadass mohawk
😂😂😂👌
Vice cured me of my heterosexuality
"You can't be gay and Christian but you can be a homosexual and Christian."
*brain.exe has stopped working*
So many of these men are like "I had sexual attraction towards men... but I also wanted a family, children, a normal life, etc." but I feel like they don't even realise a number of things:
1) Bisexuality is a thing. So is pansexuality. Just throwing that out there because people seem to forget like. all the time.
2) You can still have a family if you're gay?? Just because the majority of the gay community is really into sex doesn't mean you can't have a partner and settle down... adopt or have a surrogate. And I know a lot of those things play into what you think is "right" and morally acceptable by your religion but like... come on guys.
3) Heteronormativity (this is my own definition): having your opinion on LGBT+ altered issues simply because the majority of the open, public community is straight/cis. It makes you think that you want these things, even though you naturally don't. Not saying that's always the case but it's possible.
Not to mention I'd like to see where that anti-gay psychologist got all those "facts" from, and ask him if gay people "aren't physically compatible", then why is a man's g-spot up his ass?? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Born perfect guy is a homie though
5:20 - OMG it's a biracial/gay/Matt Damon.
Dean M I was hoping I wasn't the only one who noticed!
“You can’t be gay and a Christian but you can be a homosexual and a Christian”
Boi do you need a dictionary or something
I'm gay, have only had sex with 2 people... And my fiancé has only had sex with 1 person... Me... And we've been together for 3-1/2 years and have never had a true fight and love each other very much.
Yes we both have anxiety and depression, but it's not because we're gay .. it's because people have been abusive towards us throughout our lives for being gay. Being gay doesn't cause mental health problems, being treated like shit by other people for being gay is what causes mental health issues. That should be obvious.
Get married and be happy
Every religion is a lie. Just the fact there is more than one should tell you that. And for all the undeserved love religion gets here is the ignored side. I mean for fucks sake do you really need to be under constant threat of eternal punishment to be a good person?
1 we 'good' people (even though Christians are still sinners) because we follow what god says because we trust he knows what's best for us, the whole swapping eternal punishment for eternal paradise thing is just one of the perks 2 are you really suggesting that we should use the world view of "there's more hen one veiw on the same topic so they must all be wrong" some scientist believe the big bang happened some believe other things happened in the early universe, by your logic that means the most scientifically credible idea is wrong because some people disagree with it and think there way is right
Tom Obeid 1 you accept blame for a sin you never committed.
2 you trust a being that blames you for a sin you never committed.
3 If such a god were real why would it be so bad at conveying its message? Its not having a diffrent view its believing in an all powerful being that is incapable of convincing its own creations that it exists.
heart breaking.... these men... please just accept who you are!!! oh, it breaks my heart.
I ain't got no issues with gays or anything but found it funny how many of them were fat only on the chest and stomach
"You could be a homosexual and Christian, but you can't be gay and Christian"
Me: *brain short circuits*
Him: You can't be gay and christian but you can be homosexual and christian.
Synonyms: Am I a joke to you?
Pretty sure the churches that use music like that played at 0:28 aren't the kinds of churches that endorse programs like this.
Irrelevant but the guy looked like Matt Damin
5:34 Those heels though.
“You can’t be gay and Christian but you can be homosexual and Christian”
Me: 👁👄👁
Online Profile 😂😂😂 for real
Beth Berryhill The knowledge hit me like 🤯 I’m saved.
Online Profile Lmaoooo
"You can be homosexual and Christian, but you can't be gay and Christian" XD
If someone, by there own free will (not forced), decides to try and convert, why not let them? Yeah, I know, you want a one way street.
They can try but it doesn't really work and that's why gay conversion therapy should be banned from being practiced on minors by "licensed medical professionals". If adults want to make themselves miserable by not accepting themselves that is their business. however, the people offering these retreats are doing more harm than good and feeding off the self denial and hatred of these gay men and that is hardly ethical...
As long as it not abusive.
Exactly, if ther was a gay camp where you were convered from straight to gay all these SJWs would be backing it...
Converted*
+♥ CHRISTINE ♥ agreed, kids are confused enough about themselves to introduce something like conversion therapy into their lives. But if a gay man wants to be straight, let him try all he likes
what does that guy thing being gay means lol
5:22 Matt Damon’s gay brother
Wait, isn’t this Sam guy the one caught stealing women luggage at the airport twice ?
Seems like a really stable person that’s trustworthy with nuclear waste and so…
What's sad is a lot of these men have married women and 20/30 years later they are crushing their spouses by admitting they never should've married them in the 1st place and are leaving them for another man. Leave your truth so that both of you don't throw away decades of your lives on fraud
gay=homosexual
Cassie Street no gay=happy duh christians shouldnt be happy thats all he said
"You can be homosexual and Christian but you can't be gay and Christian."
WTH. That makes no freaking sense.
If he's separating Homosexuality from being "gay".
He's basically saying you can't be a happy Christian. Cause that's legit the only other definition of the word.
"God couldn't love them the way they are." There isn't a more inaccurate statement in this world. I ask you this: If a father tried for years to have a child with his wife and one day found out she was pregnant, but that the child had severe spina bifida, after all those years, would he not see his child as perfect, despite his/her infirmity?
cellogirl11RW you imply that being gay is an infirmity which is still part of the problem, it's no different then being straight so how about adjusting to the father having a kid and loving him in any light that may just naturally happen
that part they looked in each others souls. gazing deeply.
classic
Sent my son to this camp gay and he came back a homosexual, thank the LORD HE CAN BE CHRISTIAN AGAIN!!
3:47 connor in 20 years? :D
+Emma Jo OMFG EXACTLY WHAT I SAID LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
They look so alike!
Their facial expressions are so similar!
THATS SO WEIRD OMG
wow that guys belly
I gotta be honest and say I did not expect the guy with the red mohawk to be a Nuclear Physicist working on advanced nuclear reactors, with 2 graduate degrees from MIT. It was my #3 guess, but had him pegged as a veterinarian. I think it's awesome they have someone of that intellect working Actively against these terror camps. Talk about a way to make sure your kids hate you forever!!! Your going to gay cure camp son. I feel bad for people who have to go through this abuse, and am so glad times are changing. Slowly, but at least to semi-intelligent people, SURELY!
This poor baby! He deserves all the lgbtqia+ love in the world. Ally sending ❤️❤️❤️.
Not even a minute in and I’m already confused. “You can be homosexual and Christian, but you can’t be gay and Christian” Homophobes points make 0 sense.