Loki Gets Therapized - How Do You Make the Right Decision?
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
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The Loki series was such a profound commentary on the difference between only serving your own interests and upholding your role in a collective. Loki let his compassion lead and it helped him realize the highest version of himself. I’m still not over it.
I really love whole loki's arc but the ending is best for me. It so nicelly ties up to him becoming basically god, king, saviour, hero, he who remains and he found his glorious purpose on a throne but in absolutely different and much more noble yet much more sad way than he ever hoped for when he was still fighting thor to become king.
Ok. Sold. I stayed away from Marvel TV shows, but I'll give Loki a watch.
I love what you said about freedom and responsibility. So much is said about rights of freedom, but not very often said about the responsibility. I shouldn't waste the plentiful opportunities to choose good, so I can be good.
They have all had their own unique charm
Pirate them tho cuz we are boycotting
I think Loki is the best one, followed by Wandavision. Highly recommend both even with no context, though the context does help.
I'm not into Marvel much, but put Loki on while folding laundry and stuff around the house and got sucked in. It stands on its own and is such an interesting, unexpected story. The set design is just riveting, as well.
His final Loki costume at the end of the show, specifically his horns, echo his speech about repairing what’s broken. His horns are now black obsidian, that look like it had been shattered and fixed back with molten gold. This is actually a reference to a Japanese art, Kintsugi or Kintsukuroi, where you repair things with gold, so that you can always see what was broken, and how repairing it made it even more beautiful. The speech had touching me so much that I immediately saw it even through my tears.
Thanks for this video. I love that I have seen enough of your video that these are all points I had spotted when watching, that made me wonder about what you would say about it. :3
The thing I love most about the Loki series is it disproves the conclusion so many had that Loki "arched out" when he made up with Thor and that there was nowhere else to take his character. He was always a character in his own right and also REALLY didn't like introspecting, so there was still so much to explore under all his defense mechanisms. (To the point where a lot of people thought they changed him completely because they didn't understand him to begin with.)
The season2 of Loki on the last episode, I was sobbing and crying because my hope for him to be a good guy it was becoming true minute by minute.
For me, the Loki show (and end game) from all the Marvel's are the best of the best ever, with cool and inspiring lines, that help to look back, reflect, and think about parts of your past in reflections from the characters.
Tats all I can say fir today, thank you for therapized the Shows you do an amazing job 😊
Such an amazing series! Forever grateful that Tom Hiddleston got to portray Loki like this.
Thank you for talking about this scene, it really brought me to tears when he said that fixing something is hard, fixing oneself, fixing a broken heart, fixing how we perceive ourselves, fantasizing show, more Loki please ❤
Wow, your Owen Wilson impression at 2:54 was spot on. If they do a What If episode featuring Mobius and Owen Wilson can't attend the voice acting recording sessions, you should seriously consider, filling in for him. Or Marvel should.
All of the final two episodes are just gold. Can’t pick a favorite, just top to bottom fantastic.
"you do the best you can and then you live with it"... Working on accepting that
Visually, the framing of the scene when Loki says "we are gods" is important. In the past, when Arrogant Loki would say "I am a god", he would be filling most of the frame, we'd be getting a good look at his face and his emotion. This time, he an Sylvie are made to look small and impotent. It reflects his altered view of what it means to be a god.
Loki is one of my favorite TV shows ever. He’s such an interesting character. Some of my friends started watching the show and they said they got bored which I don’t understand. Of all the reasons someone could dislike this show I never would have thought ‘it’s boring’ would be one of them.
Loki has always been so special to me. When I saw the first Thor movie, I was shocked at how exactly I saw myself in him. The way he was promised things with no intention of delivering, how the one who did wrong made himself the victim so you feel at fault, how the "friends" bullied him without even knowing it for things they didn't know they were picking up on. It was a movie that was so extremely painful to watch, and I don't think I could ever see it again. And then in Dark World when he was told he could never be forgiven, that everything was his fault. But the TV series was so healing. Season 1 episode 1 was just as painful, but every episode since is brilliant.
As someone who also identifies with him in quite a few ways I found the finale tough because it seems like they don't let these kinds of characters be happy in the end and I don't like the message that sends (as a theme across media overall). I did find a lot of the series healing though!
I agree. As a writer, I was thinking, yes, this is the @@JuliaDelbel right ending, but as a person I wanted a lot more compassion. I know a goodbye from Thor would be too much, but could they just give us a moment where Sylvie forgives?
@@ayeshaali5593 Well they're totally gonna have him reunite with Thor in a future movie haha. But I do want proper closure with Sylvie. Idt she was mad at HIM so much as still frustrated with how her life has gone thanks to HWR and the TVA< even if the latter is trying to be "good" now. That kind of trauma pain doesn't go away so easily.
I love your videos so much and especially the ones about the Marvel characters. Fun fact: For many years I didn't watch the marvel movies because I thought they were just dumb superhero action stuff. But once I watched the first one I fell in love with characters like Thor, Wanda, etc.. And above all - Loki. And this show..chef's kiss!! ❤️🔥 I can't put in words how much this show is giving me. The actors, the story, the music, the stakes, the cinematography..and above all: the conversations. The writing is so good, especially in this scene. It's one of my favourite scenes too. But one I love even more is the last scene with Sylvie where she asks, "Do you really wanna be the god who takes away everyones free will so you can protect that?" - because it's like you said - he pretty much wanted to take everyones free will most of the time in the movies, so that they could worship him for his ego. It's like you said - now he's a servant. A servant of free will. And that's the hell of an arc! 👌 But I also like to be a bit ambiguous here - in an interview Sophia di martino points out, that he's still Loki. And there may be a risk to it - what if he sees something on a timeline that he doesn't like? Does he intervene? Should he? But that's the great thing about this show. It never gives you "easy answers"..there's always these grey areas. Thanks for the video and I hope you continue this good work (and maybe make some more Loki videos) Sorry for the long review..but I just love this! 🙏
I love this story so much and Loki’s story is so fitting. Him and Silvie have such an interesting relationship. I like it because they have to work hard to get it to a healthy place which they eventually do. And they start out as love interests, fall out, then end up developinng this really beautiful friendship and mutual respect for each other.
"All you can do is all you can do"
All You Can Do is an album by eclectic rap artist Watsky, and the title song uses "all you can do is all you can do" as the hook. Also, one of the T-shirts for that album's tour shows a globe with the handwritten words "all you can do is all you can do is..." repeated to encircle the globe.
Love the Loki series. Love the arc he took and the storyline and wrting and other character developments. I feel like not enough people watched it but who knows. I cried my eyes out at the end. He was always one of my favorite marvel characters and this solidified it. Thanks for the deep dive
I like that you acknowledge Loki as a servant at the end, because it distinguishes him from He Who Remains who was controlling everything and killing people because they didn't fit with his "plan". Shortly before Loki took the throne Sylvie told him she wanted everyone to have a chance to live and fight for their right to live, even with a danger factor (aka HWR variants popping up) so now he's giving them that.
I really like your analysis and how it relates to real life, but of course I understand that to reduce the amount of spoilers, the context of certain scenes and conversations had to set aside. For example, Sylvie's stance about destroying is critical for Loki's decision at the very end of the last episode, and I he opens up to her perspective in the way he's been open to Mobius's perspective as in that other video about how Loki and Mobius have the best bromance.
I interpreted that part where Loki says "We are gods" a little differently. To me, when Sylvie says "No matter what we are playing God", two things are going on: Sylvie herself may be an Asgardian god or rather more accurately a demigoddess but she doesn't see herself as one because she had been denied those privileges, even her powers are something she lags behind a lot compared to Loki because she had to learn them on her own. Second, she doesn't think anyone, not even a god has the right to decide who lives and who dies like that. Loki saying "we are gods" in a sense does come across as still a bit arrogant but more in a "we can do this" sort of way, like "we're capable of making those decisions" which is both a position of arrogance and responsibility at the same time like. However, at the end Loki faces this decision again, about who lives and who dies, and Sylvie stands up for her position and tells Loki the real cost of things if he goes the easy route; which I think has a lot of great philosophical and sociopolitical meaning in it.
I was actually surprised you used this scene, if it's the last loki analysis, because I think the conversation he had in the last ep with mobius about the burden of a purpose and how you have to do what's right if it's in your hands was the best peace of dialogue in the whole fucking show. It had me bawling
Thankyou for breaking down Loki S2❤, i hope you're gonna make a hero therapy (cinema theraphy).
My overall thoughts on Loki S1 & S2:
Loki's character development sky rocketed (from Thor 1 until this TV series came out, complete 180°). Especially Loki Season 2. Literally, we can see that Tom Hiddleston put his heart out for this role (as an actor and executive producer). Great story telling and VFX. The chemistry between Loki, Sylvie, and Mobius were fantastic. The potrayal of ORDER (Renslayer) VS CHAOS (Sylvie) are great. Also, must listen to "Purpose is Glorious" by Natalie Holt (Literal chills by hearing this piece pairing with the visuals at the end of Loki Season 2).
Here's my top favorite scenes + lines from Loki Season 1 and 2:
1. Do you think that what makes a Loki a Loki is the fact that we're destined to lose? We may lose. Sometimes painfully. But we don't die. We survive (S1 Episode 4: The Nexus Event).
2. I know what I want. I know what kind of god I need to be… for you. For all of us (S2 Episode 6: Glorious Purpose).
3. And who are you to say we can’t die trying? Who are you to decide we can’t die fighting? (S2 Episode 6: Glorious Purpose).
4. Gotta keep the big picture in mind. Most purpose is more burden than glory. And trust me, you never wanna be the guy who avoids it ’cause you can’t live with the burden (S2 Episode 6: Glorious Purpose).
5. I want my friends back. I don’t wanna be alone. See? We’re both selfish. I know this is hard. But your friends are back where they belong. But without them… Where do I belong? (S2 Episode 5: Science/ Fiction).
Sometimes I feel like your videos are perfectly timed for my life! I'm literally struggling to know what the right way to parent my teen is! This morning I watched the new parenting and mental health and mindful parenting too which I was grateful for.
The finale of this show game me real "Kobayashi Maru vibes. I really hope you do a full breakdown of Wrath of Khan on your Cinema Therapy channel at some point because there's soooo much in that movie you and Alan can talk about.
I think my dude was feeling some of that pretty hard.
Wishing the best.
I loved this series so much. The writing and themes are just so rich and I'm still finding new ways in which it relates to my own life. It probably doesn't hurt that I've always related more to Loki than to any other character in the MCU (well, aside from the killing and stuff). The only other character who even comes close is Banner, and he's never been quite so well-defined.
I'm autistic and can't help but filter all this through a neurodivergent lens. I imagine growing up in Asgard - a place notoriously devoted to the ideals of "order" and physical strength - and being both the God of Mischief and Thor's brother would be a lot like being autistic in a neurotypical world. You're different. You see things differently and act differently. You're taught from an early age that who you are is NOT okay. You're taught to hide your true self behind a mask and conditioned to only see yourself as reflected in others' eyes, but usually other people only see your perceived "deficits" instead of recognizing your differences as strengths. If you also have a strong desire to simply connect with other people (as Loki does and I do), it can really mess you up and eventually you just mostly stop trying due to C-PTSD from constant failure.
Seeing Loki actually work through all that was so inspiring to me. Turns out all he really needed was someone to believe in his potential instead of judging him (and being in a place where his usual defense mechanisms - magic, lies, and manipulation - didn't work probably helped a lot).
And yeah, Frigga always believed in Loki, but after he found out that she and Odin had been lying to him about who he was, that's when he went completely off the rails.
Second-guessing oneself and one's decisions. I feel you. So much. I have AVP (beyond other mental health issues) and I constantly struggle with decisions, like really next level. Sometimes even very "minor" ones, like for example which outfit to choose for a visit to my grandparents or family. I am so unsure, so torn between all the pro and contra's and "what if's" that it sometimes drives me mad. I may strees myself days before the actual event, to a point where start feeling physically sick. It's exhausting. But I am so scared of all the possible comments they would make or looks they wood give me. For al little more context (I guess I really sound silly "overreacting" over such a little thing) I have also chronified eating disorder and am underweighed. My grandparents are especially judgemental of all this, not even acknowledging is a a disease. They see it like 1. I just needed to eat normally and everything was fine (when really it is just a symptom of my desastrous mental health) and 2. just don't want to change. My grandfather could be really mean, making fun of my "tiny peas" instaet real breasts, just to pick one. My sister would call me disgusting when my clothes did not hide my skinnyness enough AND blame me to look such that poor granny would have to worry more.... I DO have reasons to be scared. I have been proven right countless times that these "bad case scenarios" can very well happen. These examples date from rather the time when I was still a teenager, the eating disorder "newer", but some of it is still going on, and I can't forget.
Sorry for the degression. The subject got me carried away. (and guess what, I wondered if I should really post it for a while again). Good video. Going for "the best option" is good advice. I try to exactly that, but yeah, I tend come up with so many possibilities that it's simply overwhelming and and up avoiding a lot of things (almost textbook definition of one AVP symptom). Like deciding NOT to go to a certain even that drives me mad (and then beat me up for not going). It's hard to explain that "analysis paralysis"-like madness. Sometimes I'm really sick and tired of being myself... (rather often these days)
But it's okay (not really), I'm having extra hard times right now, but I am in treatment (just so you now).
Luckily I am no leader or parent, and never want to be. I would not have the strengh it takes to have such big responsability.
Thanks for your work.
I just follow what I feel is right, even if everyone around me is telling me that I am wrong.
In the password people told me I was wrong, and I did it. Anyway, it led me to where I am now. Everything always works out somehow.
Sounds a lot like how Christianity is supposed to be. Especially the part about hoping people will do the best with the freedom they are given & that there will be some who want to tear it all down if it doesn't serve them.
Loki went from a kid, throwing a tantrum when he didnt get his way, to an adult, knowing that you cant always get what you want. You realize you cant run from responsibility, and its hard work - like raising kids - but all of the sleepless nights are worth it.
There are similar themes in the two most recent God of War games; Kratos has many thoughts about the responsibilities of leadership (both divine and familial), and there is an incredible arc over both games about his journey of redemption and application of these ideas. I’d love to see your thoughts on those games, but it’s probably too much content to cover.
So, have you watched good omens? I would love to know what you think about the show and the relationship between the 2 main characters. There are 2 seasons, 6 episodes each, and there is a 3rd season in the works. I am so excited for it. Just a thought.
The second season of Loki was a commentary on the importance of police reform. The first season was all about how cisgender gays scapegoated bisexual and transgender people in hopes of being accepted by a heteronormative Christofascist society.
All of the Loki variants represent all of the different varieties of queer, and Sylvie represents trans people. Because in the comic books Loki is canonically transgender and genderfluid, and assumes a feminine form -- AKA Lady Loki. Sylvie was heavily inspired by the Lady Loki character but because having a blatantly transgender character on-screen was too edgy for the MCU at the time, the show runners decided to combine several different characters and turn them into the Sylvie we see on-screen.
It has been confirmed, however, by the director of Loki season one Kate Herron that Sylvie is trans-coded.
The other variants featured throughout the series represent marginalized communities that have been outcasted by mainstream society: Disabled, poor, BIPOC, and non-Christian people.
Sylvie and the other Loki variants being hunted by the TVA was a metaphor for the real abuse the queer community has suffered at the hands of the police and the legal system at large -- IE the Stonewall Riots, Compton's Cafeteria, trans panic laws. Trans panic is a legal defense that allows someone to -- wait for it, you're not gonna believe this -- literally get away with murder because they PANICKED and KILLED a trans person after the trans person outted themselves to the killer. Yeah, that's a thing in several states across the US.
So Sylvie like many, many queer people in real life has lost faith in the police in the legal system whereas Loki supports the idea of police reform. Basically. That's the gist of it without me going into a whole ass lecture on Norse Paganism and what Loki represents to modern day leftist Norse Pagans. Because that actually ties very heavily into the series as well.
I really think you should do some of flea bag!
The parts of "We are Gods" is really awesome. I loved that line when watching. And also that timeline tree of life was really cool. I think he did amazing growing or rather the Loki did XD.
I have a nice ADHD brain feature and that is, that it shuts down with overwhelm LOOOL. So if I do not get to a point of letting go and letting myself sink into a decision, my brain shuts down for resting and it's not optional and the thing is, once I get up again, I'm usually in a "let's try this in flow state or it'll be another exhausting waste of energy, going nowhere" and that tens to work out.
I am glad you appreciate Loki, so that you're diving deep into different points. I wouldn't say this is my favorite p[articular but I appreciate that you like the certain discussions that occur. The meet of some of the better Marvel series is always enjoyable.
The blue and the pearl are great together, the pearl buttons and not the brooch
The worst kind of 'educated guess' in a scenario that boils down to 'which option sucks the least?'.
your owen wilson!! kudos my friend!!
"Time Lords"
Somebody's been watching Doctor Who, I see ;) Future episode on grief, or regret maybe? :p
I have mixed feelings about it. To me, I saw it as Loki being all alone, and "serious", "self-sacrificing", all the things society tells us we should be. HA. (To clarify, I am a late in realizing that I am ADD and ASD, so take that as you will.) I am a HUGE believer in free will, but collectivism scares the crap out of me. I wanted a better ending for Loki, my beloved God of Mischief. I saw His humor drain away, and sadness and seriousness and "adulting" take its place. Reminded me too much of what society says "adulting" must be. Sorry, I am a very rebellious old woman, who identifies with BOTH Sylvie and Loki. I just wanted more for Loki than to be trapped like that, without his friends. So very Western Civilization, where you have to "self-sacrifice" in order to matter, in order to be seen at all. Sorry, this "forward chit" is having none of that. Free will, all the way.
Well, hang in there. I suspect we'll see Loki again. After all the millennia he spent learning all the physics and math and then learning how to control his new powers over time, he deserves to sit and rest a while. I'm still holding out hope that we'll get a Loki and Thor reunion. (I was also late diagnosed with ASD and I'm 52).
I understand where you are coming from and have had similar feelings. As people with disabilities, we often feel like we have to give ourselves too much to even function in this world, and I personally am surrounded by people who constantly destroy themselves for the sake of others. I was upset about the end because of that for while, especially since Loki himself does come across especially in this season as someone constantly lost and traumatized at every corner.
Anyone else reading, major spoilers ahead:
What saved the end for me though was thinking more about Sylvie's position, and the full context of the sacrifice and where everyone's coming from. So to frame things a little better, we have to consider that Loki's timeslipping has given him a great amount of agency and control over the story and time, but even so, it's not enough to eliminate the threat that HWR put. The whole plan with the Loom was thing that the other characters have painstakingly been working on, like OB and Timely, and yet it failed, and kept failing, and kept on failing over and over again. He saw Timely horribly die countless times, he saw his friends try to reach the compromise between giving the multiverse free will and saving the TVA over and over again. Finally when they succeeded, it wasn't enough because the Loom isn't broken, it's designed to destroy the multiverse and the TVA if it didn't comply with HWR's mission. There is definitely a lot of great sociopolitical commentary in this btw.
There are a lot of people out there who hate Sylvie and call her a bitch, Karen, brat, etc. and think that because she is the one who killed HWR she should be the one paying for her actions and Loki should have killed her. This almost happens but Sylvie brings up in the end it isn't just her he would eliminate but a lot more, and Mobius's convo tells Loki that he would sacrifice his own integrity and self where he to go forward with killing Sylvie, he would be like Renslayer who earlier talked about how she sacrificed her own humanity for the sake of the TVA and whom in Mobius's convo at the end mentions she pruned the little boy and then got a promotion because she could do what Mobius couldn't do. Sylvie herself may have been set up in the beginning to be a test to Loki to destroy a part of himself so he could be HWR's successor in a way that reminds me a bit of how in Star Wars Sith Lords do things.
A lot of people also hate Sylvie because they see her as selfish, which she admits to at the end. However Sylvie reminds me a lot of people who need to be selfish, whose selfishness is just their own self-care because if they aren't selfish they don't get anything and loose everything. The song that Sylvie listens to in ep 5 is "Oh! Sweet Nuthin!" by Velvet Underground, and the lyrics very much describe Sylvie' situation: having nothing, abandonment, being thrown out, rejected. Sylvie is very much the proletariat Loki, living as a homeless fugitive for centuries fighting the "omniscient fascists" as she herself calls the TVA; when she completes her glorious purpose of killing HWR she goes to a small town in Oklahoma and works at McDonalds, which I think reflects that she mentally is much closer to the "ordinary people". When she hears Loki defending the TVA she feels betrayed, of course she would, the TVA took the life she could have had, the life Loki had, away from her. And that is why is great that at the end Loki understands that she has a point about the necessity to destroy things if you can replace them with something better.
tl;dr: Loki accumulates a lot of power and wisdom at the end thanks to his friends who are are powerless in the situation, then uses that power to save everyone. I don't think Loki is suffering at the end, I think he finds fulfillment and self-actualization in the end. There are people even in IRL who find happiness that way even if it looks terrible to other people on the outside.
@@kathyl9222 Thank you so much for this excellent reply! I agree with you. I have been accused of being "selfish" when either I didn't hug a family member, or whenever I try to establish boundaries, so as not to be people's doormats or taken advantage of. So, yes, your description of Sylvie rings true. (I've also changed my name, as she did; yet another reason I can relate to her.) I liked what you said about Loki at the end. He did it for his friends. I think when I wrote this (very early in the morning), I was a wee bit sad. Overall, I feel better now about how the season (or series) ended, than I did at the time it aired. Again, thanks. I needed this!
do a video on peacemaker.
Need more of your Owen Wilson impersonation lol
Would love to see a collab with talefoundry Georgia dow and the take
You should cover kang/he who remains
FYI - the whole video is a spoiler 🤣
I thought it was very satisfying to see Loki get what he wanted but for very different reasons then at the start of the series.
How do respond and resolve things where you have done the best corse of action and it just blows up in your face so you end up questioning the choice you have made and it has resulting in where it has upsets the other person for making that choice or the decision and they make you feel guilty, question your morality and manipulation you into feeling bad and that you have made the wrong choice just so they can make them feel better about themselves?
I have a lot of respect for what freedoms I still have, technically, as a woman in the US. But I'm LOYAL to my Tribe. The dichotomies of their very different priorities make hope so important and so foolish at the same time. It's maddening.
Do being Erica please
Would u ever analyze characters from video games
Probably not. I don't have much more bandwith :)
@@MendedLightunfortunate yet understandable
@@MendedLightfair enough 😅
After ur done with marvel maybe you could explore dc shows like titans the flash supergirl arrow
Hopefully one day
Would you ever do being Erica it’s a show about therapy
Is agent Carter done? Hope u do agents of shield
Agent Carter is done. I plan on doing some Agents of Shield for sure :)
@@MendedLightawesome looking forward to it
Hopefully soon
The people want Crowley and Aziraphale to get therapized
FBI Open up!