War in Middle-earth - The War of Wrath
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2020
- In this video, we look at the War of Wrath, the final battle of the First Age and the greatest war Middle-earth has ever seen. From the ashes of this battle, a new world would arise, with new heroes and villains, and its aftermath would see the rise of Numenor...as well as that of Sauron.
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The legacy of Tolkien's Elves: Wars fought over jewelry, followed by a lot of hiding in the woods.
Ah yes.. The BIG BATTLE. lol. Talk about epic. The Vanyar get into the fight. Ohhhh snap!
Balrogs fighting in formation. Hundreds of "Smaugs" all over the skies. Pissed off Mair and Noldor with eyes shining with the light of Valinor. A dude with a SPACE SHIP comes and enters the War to whip ass! All sorts of crazy shit going on.
That's the rule of Toikens Ledgendarium, later=lamer
The other to keep in mind is that the other unforseen thing that affected the Valar was that the people who were pleading with them were half-elf and half-human. It created an ambiguity in the Valar's restrictions on anyone coming back into the west.
Yes, War of Wrath *_* Such an awesome piece of literature!
Ëarendil rushing in his millenium falcon to kick a Giant dragon's ass is perhaps the most heroic and awe-inspiring save-the-day.
It's a shame that the War of Wrath doesn't have a tale as detailed as the War of the Ring. It would be such a cool chance to learn more about the Vanyar and have tales of great heroes... Woe is me!
One of the best theories I've read is that Tolkien gave very little description to certain battles due to his own experiences in the Great War. It's why battles like the Dagor Bragollach and the Nirnaeth Arnoediad (where the forces of good were crushed) receive much greater descriptions than the Dagor Aglareb and the War of Wrath (where the forces of good are victorious). He preferred to convey the horror of war (which is easier to do in lost battles) rather than the "glory" of war.
@@DarthGandalfYT that's a really satisfying theory.. thank you!!
@DarthGandalfYT a reasonable canon explanation would be at the legendarium from this period is supposed to come from the writings of the Noldor and Sindar that Bilbo and Frodo had access to. Considering that the Noldor and Sindar were pretty effed up by this point its not surprising that their records are patchy. There are probably very detailed histories of the War of Wrath back in Valinor, with the Vanyar and Finarfin, but those never make it to Middle Earth. This would also be why be have detailed information about the family drama of the Noldor in Valinor up to the Exile, but much less about the Vanyar and Teleri and almost nothing about events in Valinor after the Exile. We're only reading the accounts of the Noldor who left Valinor and hadn't yet returned there.
Let's see :
World War 2 Eastern front become the bloodiest battlefield
The whole land turn into barren wasteland
The War of the Wrath lasted 40 years?!?! That’s news to me. I was under the impression that the Host of the Valar did some magic attack (like what we see at the end of RotK) and the legions of Morgoth were literally swallowed up by the earth and the courses of rivers changed to wash over them and mountains fell on their heads. This magical way of fighting using the land itself as a weapon was what caused Beleriand to sink into the sea.
No not at all it was a true war. Morgoth couldn’t be taken so easily
England and france had a 100 year war... Check it out. Very interesting.
pretty sure Beleriand was so ruined the valar just threw the sea to make it go away
@@misterwhalrus7334 lol
He did have the balrogs and a bunch of lesser maiar who took the form of orcs fighting for him
Can you do a video about how Morgoth and Sauron was able to breed so many orcs so quickly to the point they greatly outnumbered the Elves, Dwarves, and Men?
Do Orcs mature extremely quickly when they are born or something?
This is actually a really good idea. I'll keep this in mind.
'History of Middle Earth' did a vid on that today if you want to check it out
I think that the first of the orcs, the elves he took, were the most powerful. But I doubt Morgoth could forever take elves use his powers to mock them. 1.Such a sin would surely have made the elves a small species. 2. Morgoth was the originally the strongest Valar but I doubt even he could mock billions upon billions of elves. After his first powerful orcs he created, he most likely planted on corrupted soil the bones/remains of his former troops killed in the War of Powers when he came to Beleriand and used his powers to make them spread like darkness but at the cost of their succes in number yet still being a little dangerous in small groups. Over time this most likely wasn't quite useful and although his army was uncountable, it couldn't withstand the Light of the West. But I would like to know the elven casualties of the War of Wrath. Did Maiar die? Were some of the Vanyar corrupted? Their casualties were extremely heavy and the release of the Winged dragons surely brought carnage to them as they were pushed back severely.
Some Valar cough*Manwe*cough weren't the sharpest tools in the shed.
Ancalagon, take me away! Seriously, though, the Silmarillion's version made it sound like the Valar showed up and brushed Morgoth's forces aside with no problem. It was kind of a shock to hear that it went on for 40 years--World War II only took four...
6 years my dude. 39-45
@@mattiasandersson8693 Yep. Sorry, I was thinking of WWI. My bad.
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40 vs 4 or 40 vs 6, the difference is in the same order of magnitude.
@@mattiasandersson8693To be fair, Imperial Japan was at war with the Chinese starting in 1937 and continuing through to the end of WW2. So 9 years for that. Regardless that war was bloody.
Cirdan's plot armor is peak asf😂😂😂😂😂
the war of wrath..I've been looking forward to seeing your video on this.....
Melkor was indeed a great character...
nice work, keep it up!
I really enjoyed this video. Thank you for all the info.
2nd video of yours that I've watched...I'm a believer Mellon. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK..
ECTHELION!
I’m taking this really obscure class called “International Relations in Pop Culture” and this helped so much. I wanted to get into more than just the 3 LOTR movies because those are cool if you just want to watch but to fully understand all of the nuances of Middle Earth and how IR theories pertain to them you need to know the backstory.
There must've been hundreds of millions of orcs in the war at least, no way just a couple million knowing how long and destructive it was!
Climactic conclusion! Have you considered going way back in time and doing a video on the battle of the powers aka war for the sake of the elves?
Yes! I am vindicated! Hearing you pronounce "Feanor" has made me so happy!
Great video as always !
Can I ask what's the name of the soundtrack that starts at 2:50 ?
It's epic !
"Feanors sons were better at winning battles against their fellow elves than against Morgoth" TRUE LOL
Yeah, that stung a bit.
Between the Valar and the Elves dropping the ball on the Morgoth situation, I don't think either have the right to give the world of men or the dwarves crap about messing up.
Personally I blame the Valar more
It’s a question of values, not wisdom (notice I’m not talking intelligence here). The Ainur *could* have taken the Silmarils by force from Fëanor to recreate the Trees. They requested and were refused. The Ainur *could* have killed Fëanor & the Noldor who followed him immediately following the first kin slaying, but did not. Eru Illuvatar could have done likewise in both cases. If you go back carefully over the texts you will see an abhorrence of Eru Illuvatar and thus his faithful followers to result to force as a solution. When they *do* fall back on force, it is always tragic and results in destruction of whole chunks of middle earth and massive casualties among the children of Illuvatar (and the other intelligent species). Eventually they remove themselves so far from direct interaction with the Arda they are bound to (in order to remove even the smallest chance of being forced to intervene), that I think it can be argued that the Ainur are the true tragic figures of Tolkien. Their fates are bound to Arda but they can hardly interact with it. So sad.
@@rev.paull.vasquez4001 again, this kind of paints the Valar and Eru in a very incompetent light. They create, but don't manage well and when they try to they do a pretty botched job of it. I can kind of understand someone like Sauron or Saruman losing patience with that kind of system.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Competence has to be measured against something. Against the measure of forcing their will upon others regardless of the other’s own choices, they indeed fail, but is forcing your will upon others truly a desirable thing? Is that a positive value? The rest of the the Tale of the Silmarillion, the Lord of the Rings, indeed the entire Tolkien universe provides adequate examples of two dark lords (and the Fëanor group) who have precisely that goal/value. Besides making everyone and themselves miserable (Melkor’s attitude towards the very Silmarils he stole is quite good here), in the end THEY FAIL TO ENFORCE THEIR WILL. In other words, the whole enterprise of force is a “chase after wind” in this universe.
@@rev.paull.vasquez4001 If someone has the power and wisdom after creating a world, then one has the obligation to keep it operating with order. To refuse to crush evil effectively is to prove oneself either unwilling or incapable of the right to rule. At that point it becomes obligatory to remove the inept deity and replace it with an efficient alternative.
Would love to see a video of Gondolin or maybe the story of Tuor?
yes, i have anticipated this for quite some time and it's finally here, The War of Wrath Aka the greatest and the true World War of Middle-Earth.
the sheer epic scale and magnitude of this war is insane, it is probably the most lengthy battle in all of literature, for this war alone took straight 40 years before finally defeating Morgoth at the heart of his fortress Angband.
all of the hosts of Valar, Maiar and the remaining free peoples of Middle-Earth fought the full force of Morgoth's armies and monsters throughout the entirety of Beleriand. untold millions, maybe even billion legions of Orcs, Trolls, Wargs, Goblins, Werewolves, Vampires, the Easterlings and probably the spawns of Ungoliant from the Valley of Death (dem disgusting spiders though urghh!) , the fearsome Balrogs in battle formation (i dunno the numbers but still probably a scary sight to behold with since Balrogs are feared and exceptionally powerful foes), a fleet of a thousand Dragons bringing the tempest of fire & lightning in the skies and most of all they are being led by the most greatest colossal Kaiju Dragon in Middle-Earth, Ancalagon The Black. (which is also probably even way more scarier sight to behold with lol)
and if not for the reinforcements of Earendil and the mighty hosts of Manwe's Eagles they might've lost but in end i'm glad that Earendil, the hosts of Valar and the free peoples finally prevailed and won this extreme lengthy battle and thus Morgoth finally beheaded by the Valar for all of his evils and crimes on Arda and casts his soul into the Void through the Door of Night in which according to Mandos's prophecy he would one day return near the end of time in Dagor Dagorath but i'm also sad that at the end of this epic battle the entire continent of Beleriand sank beneath the oceans due to how extremely destructive this war was.
thank you for this epic piece of literature Mr. Darth, i look forward to you next Legendarium lore videos :)
Vaniars ho have minimum 400000 and Finarfin host ho may have minimum 100000 elf soldaires.
Plus durins army Belegorst army and probabile rest of 4 Dwarth Clans of palisor.
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I'd definitely say this war had trillions of soldiers on Morgoths side(Morgoths army definitely was in the ranges of 1 to 6 trillion as if we go with the estimation beleriand is 3,000,000 square miles and that Morgoths feilds roughly took up 250,000 square miles 1 square mile alone can hold 26 million people if shoulder to shoulder and the way the silmarillion describes it that seems to be the case).
The elves probably had like ½ of Morgoths force(probably 3 trillion if we go with the previous estimation).
This may seem very big but these are wars where God's have helped build up these armies.
The valar have spent tens of thousands of years helping the elves multiply to an ungodly number.
Morgoth mass breed orcs,trolls,dragons,and the Balrogs and sauron definitely helped.
This is a battle of Godly perportions with a scale never even seen before or after.
This is
world war 2 eastern front
@Darth Gandalf would you do a guest appearance on @History Of Middle Earth plz?
Morgoth on the lowest levels of Thangorodrim after killing 80% of the people in Beleriand "okay but what if I was sorry?"
"It was an accident!"
40 years of nonstop fighting. I wonder where the ww1 veteran J.R.R. Tolkien could possibly have got that idea from?
What are these music tracks? They’re a great accompaniment for these videos.
Most of them are in-game or unreleased LOTRO tracks, and some are from Battle for Middle-earth.
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Could you tell me the name of the one that starts at 2:50 please ?
@@mg9397 I believe it's a LOTRO soundtrack called Gondorian Pride.
Wow, wait a minute--where does it say that Morgoth was beheaded?! Thrust through the Doors of Night, sure; but I am unaware that they cut off his head!
A year late, but I wonder if Gloryhammer used this war as inspiration for the ending of the third album.
i think the more likely explanation of Beleriand falling into the sea is Melkor cursed the lands in a final act of desperation
Or it could be that Ulmo (sea valar) did it because it was destroyed beyond repair. It will serve as nothing but a depressing despairing reminder for those in the second age. I would like to think this is reminiscent of how the Somme was so badly scarred from war that it was not habitable. The land is still scarred today from all the shelling.
I never understand how Ara Aluvata. I know i spelled wrong.
Let so much cruelty and destruction happen to so many people in middle earth.
Shoulda had the silmaril in the ocean wash up onshore and begin events leading to the sequel to LOTR.
None of The Valar participated in The War of Wrath because that wouldn't be a War at all more like a complete massacre of Morgoth's army in a single day.
Funny as hell what you say at the end of the video.
Where do you get the Morgoth's head being cut off from? Is it from The History of Middle-earth because it's not in The Silmarillion. The Silmarillion says, "his iron crown they beat into a collar for his neck, and his head bowed upon his knees."
I actually got asked this a while back, and found that I accidentally embellished a bit by stating that his head was cut off. However, Myths Transformed in Morgoth's Ring does state that Morgoth was physically executed after the War of Wrath, seemingly by Mandos himself. So Morgoth was executed, but not necessarily through being beheaded.
@@DarthGandalfYT Thanks for the clarification.
The noldor were likely 25,000 and not 50,000 as that would mean 450,000 elves went to beleriand and morgoth would have been crushed the moment meadros and fingolfin become friends.if the were only 25,000 then that would mean 225,000 elves went to middle earth which would be much more easy to handle for morgoth
Where does it say Morgoth was beheaded? I missed that!
yes after Morgoth was defeated he was brought back to the Valinor but this time there was no second chance for him as the Valar sentenced him by beheading and casts his soul into the Void through the Door of Night guarded by none other than Earendil
Its in the book "Morgoth's Ring" by Christopher Tolkein. Its only present in one of the very last versions of the story Tolkien wrote. But there is alot of other changes to the basic story of the Silmarillion in that material.
i truly believe you are vastly underestimating the number of elves. Their numbers began in the millions not a couple hundred thousand
Great video thanks! I think that 2-300k Vanyar warrior is impossible, they were the far less numerous of the 3 nations gone West. Even Noldor had less than 100k warriors on their peak of power. I think the Vanyar better were like 50k and Amman Noldor like 20k, probably boosted by a great number of Maiar and maybe some Valar. Their power was not in their numbers but in their immense Light of Valinor.
They could most definitely be around 300k and even more, in Nature of Middle Earth the Elves multiply very quickly, and even as their population growth in Valinor diminished, they still multiplied. The Noldor would have far more than 100k at their peak of power.
And it is explicitly said that the Host of Valinor was the largest ever gathered of the Free Peoples
anyone else pissed off at the Valar (except Ulmo) for completely abandoning the peoples of Middle-Earth to Morgoth for centuries? "Hey, Eru put us in charge of Arda, but F*** all y'all in your half."
I don’t remember them beheading Morgoth, where can I find that information?
I might've made a mistake in regards to that. Morgoth being "beheaded" might be one of those minor "myths" that has taken root on the internet. I use quotations because this is the exact quote from Morgoth's Ring -
"Morgoth was thus actually made captive in physical form,(9) and in that form taken as a mere criminal to Aman and delivered to Namo Mandos as judge and executioner. He was judged, and eventually taken out of the Blessed Realm and executed: that is killed like one of the Incarnates."
So it does state that he was executed, but not necessarily by being beheaded. He certainly might've been beheaded, but he also might've been burnt alive on a pyre (but probably not).
@@DarthGandalfYT it’s ok, it would be awesome if it were true! If it is how would you see the very last battle taking place? The one where Morgoth is released to gather up all evil for one final war Dagor Dagorath?
This is a tough one because the canonicity of the Last Battle (Dagor Dagorath) is up for debate, and it's pretty clear that Tolkien never had a final view on how it would go down. If it were to happen, I'd imagine that Morgoth's power that was dispersed through Arda might somehow be released into the Void, allowing Morgoth to reform his body and enter Eä once again. Whether this is even possible, I have no idea.
Destroying Beleriand like it happened would mean the war must have unleashed the destructive power of thousands of nuclear bombs every day for the fourty years it lasted and systemtically so on almost every spot of the land. That's why I find it ridiculous. Morgoth and all of his dragons, balrogs and orcs dd not have such power (or his victory over the Noldor and Sindar would have been way faster), so where does all this destruction come from?
And why did the Valar do NOTHING until they were called to help? Weren't they the appointed stewards of Eru's creation? Did Eru give them leave to ignore most of it and just dawdle in their secret treehouse in Valinor blowing bubbles and singing songs?
It's more than apparent that the Silmarillion is pretty undercooked, no wonder Tolkien the elder never saw fit to release it.
"A deserved end for the sons of Feanor"? It's a shame that people take the oath of Feanor as something that can be renounced. Oaths are possibly the most powerfull things in Tolkien's works, simply look at what happened to hillmen of the White Mountains after they broke their oaths to Isildur.
Let's remember the words uttered in the oath; Our word hear thou, Eru Allfather! To the everlasting darkness doom us if our deed faileth!
They have invoked the name of Eru, the literal god, the ultimate creator in all of creation. In a world that even the very name "Eru" is not uttered needlessly, do people really think that sons of Feanor couldve simply abandon their oath? The oath they did swear to Eru Illuvatar itself? No friends, after the oath, the guilt does not lay upon the shoulders of sons of Feanor, it lays on the shoulders of those who greedly kept the silmarils for themselves. They brought the curse of Feanor upon themselves and their families. And most of all, Manwe (the Unworthy i name him, lesser of all Vala in terms of leadership and action) who let Melkor loose because he can't "conceive" of evil and deception? Well, mate, perhaps if you cannot conceive of evil and deception, you shouldn't be the de facto leader of the world and decide the fates of millions and indeed and entire world... What a joke that guy is.
You know, the phrase "Feanor did nothing wrong" is a bit of a meme but in actuality, Feanor really did nothing wrong under the circumstances it was presented to him. Yeah the first kinslaying is a bit touch and go for me as well but other than that the situation he found himself in because of the tactical genius of Melkor and absolute fucking stupidity of fucking clown Manwe, left Feanor with all the bad choices in front of him. And his sons hold no blame in my eyes, because, a detailed study of the legendarium shows us what happens to those who break their oaths, especially if the oath invokes the name of the god, Eru Illuvatar! If anything, the sons of Feanor kept their honour to the very end, and those elves that died at their hands shamed their legacies forever.
Blind Guardian said it perfectly in their song Nightfall. In the song Feanor asks to Manwe and Vala "The enemy of mine, isn't he of your kind?" So yeah, in summary Manwe lets Melkor loose, Melkor murders Feanors father and steals his stuff and runs away, and than Manwe has the balls to tell Feanor, "don't seek vengeance on the guy that murdered your father and stole your stuff or i'll punish you, oh btw he is literally my brother but my judgement is totaly unbiased". Again, Manwe is a fucking joke...
Did the Valar fight in this war?? Why have I always thought that the Valar fought in this war?
You might've been thinking of one of the earlier wars, but in saying that, some of them certainly could've fought in the War of Wrath. It would certainly explain how Beleriand was destroyed in the process.
Darth Gandalf You would think so right, but I just finished the unfinished tales, and it mentioned that Manwe never left Valinor (not until Dagor Dagorath). Also, it seems that the online community has come to an agreement that only one maiar fought against Morgoth, and thats the Herald of Manwe (i forgot the name of the maiar)
I doubt that Orome or Tulkas would miss this. Plus Tulkas is the one that bound Morgoth so, it is likely that they participated.
181 like very nice
The stories in the 1st age a makes game of thrones look like fan fiction which it is
Who disliked this... makes no sense.
Morgoth.
And Sauron
Orcs
@@DarthGandalfYT And all the members of his Discord server.
Sons of Feanor
No mention on how the War of Wrath is a metaphor for the Last Judgement?
I'm not really familiar with Christian theology. I generally try to avoid making comparisons if I'm not educated on a topic.
@@DarthGandalfYT I see, that makes sense. As a longer-term goal you may consider doing some research, as a lot of Tolkien's lore is grounded in the Bible.
Don’t think so. Catholic priest here.
@@DarthGandalfYT Tolkien was a follower of the theology of St. Thomas Aquinas, and his writings are full of it if you know where to look (much less blatant than what his co-worker down the hallway C.S. Lewis put in the Narnia Chronicles where Monty Python style "Allegory Alert" signs would be appropriate in any film treatment).
To cause what happened to Beleriand the valar had to be involved. Elves and men could not do that to the land.
Turin will finally finish Melkor off with gauthang going through his heart .
How does war involving angelic spirits take 40 years?
They fight dark angels
@@robertohlen4980 For 40 years? Still seems extreme to me, much less sinking a quarter of a continent
@@jessmith7324 angels v angels, I dunno, its fiction
No condolonces to me then 😅😅
Morgoth forces during The War of Wrath were countless that the plain of Anfaughulit could not contain his armies. Hundreds of billions to dozens of trillions of orcs and goblins . Hundreds of millions of trolls , ogres , wargs , werewolves , vampires , spiders and others darkness criatures . Tens of millions of fighting men from the east of middle earth fight in this war . Sauron the most loyal servent of Morgoth fought alongside with dozens of deadly and terrifying balrogs . Thousands of crawling dragons and hundreds of winged dragons , led by Ancalagon the biggest and most powerful dragon that fought in this war .
Anfauglith wasn't *that* big - a couple million could definitely spill over it, considering the 500k Elves basically occupied it all when it was Ard-Galen
orcs were elves who were mutilated and torchered by darkness.
Did J.R.R. Tolkien actually believe that expending effort permanently weakens people, just as it does his Valar and Maiar? How else could the host of elves who had lived in paradise for their entire lives wipe the floor with vast hordes of men and monsters that had spent centuries fighting other elves and each other, while the Noldor who settled the place the hard way and had centuries of experience under their belt were barely hanging on?
Of cause the elves will wipe them out
They just came from valinor that means the light of the valar still shines in their eyes
Elves that spent more time in Valinor, in the company of the Valar, were much more powerful than elves who hadnt.
I can see why the numenorians quit worshipping the Valar- they were assholes! Why did they leave the Sindar to get decimated? What did they do wrong? Why did they let Morgoth run loose for so long?!?
I think they thought their interference would be to destructive, considering morgoth was still quiet powerful. That does not mean the could not have sent a few maiers considering morgoth got plenty. Also at some point it was clear beleriand is lost and yet they still sat on their ases in valinor and did nothing.
He needed to expend enough of his power that they would be able to defeat him.
It's sad to have to bring it up again but you should know that your continued use of uncredited artwork will get your video's pulled. It's not hard to find who made them, such as the image on this video, Earendil the Mariner by Jenny Dolfen of Germany, whose twitter handle, instagram, etsy, patreon facebook page and websites can be found with a simple search. I'll take it that you didn't see my first message or don't care. But you should seriously consider doing what everyone else who does this the right way is doing... crediting art or presenting a disclaimer and an invitation to give credit if you're contacted by the artist whose work you can't identify. As a former online Art Moderator for Shadowness and Deviant Art I know all the tricks for identifying artworks and will begin contacting artists if this continues, then when your videos start getting pulled for copyright violations you won't have to wonder why or who did it. cheers, mate.
I didn't see your first comment. I'll edit my video descriptions to provide disclaimers and I'll provide credits in future videos where I can. I hope you find that satisfactory.
At front part area have my face drawn and dead, with their imagination of long hair with sword. I will never be a girl hair.
I heard the assassin group as cab drivers are demanding the plotter(their employer) for $ of "have killed me", in belief i have died.
They call me valerian? It is actually a name of tree, gd for health. The rage feelin, becos of suntricity, can be cured from that.
Before all book fans or Tolkienists i don't know how you all call your selfs this days ,start shout at me insults please stop for a minute or two And read my comment to the end. Tolkien was a fool becose of his political views but some how He "created" universe that had potencional but it was filled with his pathetic weakling political views And Then the movie adaptation came And it perfected And purified his work And insparide many others. One last thing about Tolkien that man don't even liked us all He called us lunetics becose we like to cosplay as Legolas or other characters that man don't deserve our love the Middle earth does but He does not. Thats it i hope you understand the truth And farewell may your adventures are long And many.
PS: If you could travel right Now between universes and you would take a Palantír to other universe would IT still work ?
If you ask i say yes becose i think that those who created the Palantír's would expect that to happen so they would make it that way.