The JVM Marshall SHOULD Have Kept Making?! | Marshall JVM410HJS Joe Satriani Signature Tube Amp
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Well, I do play classic rock, hard rock and classic metal (think Iron Maiden, Scorpions, Black Sabbath, Van Halen etc. etc.) but I would never click off your videos because I really enjoy your reviews and the sounds you get. I can appreciate all kinds of tones from classic to modern. Keep up the good work. Hope you had a great summer vacation. Just got back from mine and can’t wait to get back in the swing of playing
I bought this thing a year ago used but in perfect shape for 650 Euros (!) and could not be happier. It even has a balanced output to record without a loadbox, which sounds absolutely useful
This sounded amazing all the way through no matter the settings or channel, great work dude! I've never actually checked out the JVM in person, after this demo I will most definitely have to lol. :D
OD1+2 are identical on the HJS..the Gainknobs are way more more useable compared to the regular JVM. The EQs react different and the Resonance and Presence too. Way fuller/fatter and less brittle. Just avoid to use the midshift button. Also this Amp handles Overdrives way better. I know you dont care about clean tones but on this one every clean mode stays clean where ever you set the gain knob. The crunch channel on the regular JVM sounds like shit to me...on the HJS the Crunch channel alone is worth buying this Amp. The built in gate is the best built in gate i ever tried...way better then the one on the Invective or all the Engl Amps out there.
The JVM410 C83 mod is the just like the EVH 50 watt el34 mod...remove C83 completely & solder an 1uf or 0.68uf cap parallel to the R97 for the plexi mod...
Also you can do the negative feedback mod by replacing R58 with a suitable resistor. JVMForum gives these guidelines on what values to use for what effect:
R58 = 47k -- late '60s Plexi
R58 = 74k -- early '70s MkII Plexi
R58 = 82k -- stock JVM
R58 = 137k -- EVH's Plexi
R58 = 176k -- JCM800 2203
R58 = 177k+ -- a Marshall with almost a Vox's lack of headroom in the power amp
A resistor box is handy for this as you can adjust the values on the fly 👍
@@scottdunn2178 or you can put a 250k pot inline as most do, I am not sure why the little Devil would do it the above way. It is R132 on the Satriani model too.
Just curious what does R132 mean ?
@@satchrules101 That's the resistor # on the PCB
@@scottdunn2178 Thanks bro.
I do own this amp, and I love it. I play lots of genres, pop, funk, disco, alternative, classic Rock and everything in-between. I spent years trying to get fender cleans and marshall dirty In one amp, and for me this does it. The clean channel is up there with many fender amps. This video was really useful to me. Even after using and gigging with this amp for the last 6 years. To see it being used in a completely different way to how I'm used to using it. I will be checking out some of the settings you were using. You are an awesome musician my friend, clearly you have great knowledge of your craft and equipment. Keep doing what you do.
They should have done the logo in gold on these to match everything else IMO. I've always wanted one of these and a Kerry King head too.
I found your channel a week ago and am really enjoying the content. Your intro and your edits are getting really good in the most current videos. Keep it up!
Thanks man! Appreciated, I've actually been working on that stuff lately, so glad someone is noticing!
I like how this amp has the 4 individual threshold settings per channel that can come really handy also an idea you can do for the problem with the presence is use A parametric EQ in the effect Loop. I use a Two Notes Torpedo Captor 8 to send Dry preamp/poweramp blend to stereo fx. Sent to stereo Two Notes Torpedo Cab M plus IR DI boxes and additional amps for wet/dry/wet. I think this amp is a really cool design.
Wow!!! This video is so incredible!! I am blown away by what the input from Joe Satriani has made in this amp!! So great! Thank you so much for making this video and I absolutely love your riffage!!!
Thanks man, glad you dug it!
Wow. This sounds way better to the stock JVM to me. Kinda upset Marshall didn't pull a Peavey and change the cosmetics a bit and rename it the JVM410HX or something and continue making these
O just make it the new regular JVM? I played the regular ones for years and found everything except Clean green and orange OD1 a bit stiff. I'd love to try an HJS.
I'm angry that you made that Marshall sound so good, now I have to eventually buy one.
Up yours, Kyle.
Up mine, indeed!
The amp sounds best with a lower output pickup to make use of the full gain range.
That thing is NAST Y! Really digging the sounds you got!
Yes after writing this amp off as a "I'll never find it or afford it" one fell in my lap. We don't play the same style of music, but it truly doesn't matter with this amp, it's pretty much great for everything.
What’s so funny here is the Peavey JSX is killer and so is the Js Jvm both discontinued instead of re badged 🤯
Well, the XXXII/JSX may actually come back. This most definitely won't because Marshall is even more obtuse than Peavey. Lol
@@belligerentamateur haha 😂 it’s my favourite Peavey that JSX
I do own this head. I also own a Diezel VH-2. No comparison. I prefer what this amp delivers to the Diezel in a big way. The Diezel is simply too muffled and lacks presence and clarity. So much ability to dial up just about anything you want on these.
Your nuts I have both amps also and while they are different the vh2 is not lacking what u stated and that’s a fact not opinion
@@bmark7951 That Diezel is 100% going to sound better then any JVM ever made. I don't like the tone at all of the JVM's only the old school 800's and the 900 slx's. The new stuff is meh 😑 too me, especially the Marshalls.
boomers
@@bmark7951 It's widely known that they are are a bit dark sounding. I helped mine out by putting an MXR 6 band eq in front of it. An overdrive pedal helped a bit, but the EQ was the magic sauce. I'm a big Diezel fan...I bought the thing and actually played it prior to buying it. I have the matching v30 cab as well. I'm sure a different cab would help to add some top end sizzle too.
@@untoldguitarist Since how something sounds is purely opinion, it depends. Some people like to hear different things. It really depends on the application too. For 80's thrash, this amp does a pretty good job.
That amp is a beast. Great thrashy riffs also!!!
Had this amp when it first came out. The Crunch and Clean channel voicing improvements are where this really shines over the regular JVM. I wasn't really impressed with the OD channels for heavy riffs. If they reissued it and made the mid shift actually scoop more of the mids it think it would make it much more versatile.
Dude the deth tone was spot on tho holy smokeys
Saw joe in 2019 first row. He was still using 2 of these. No idea what he’s using now.
You are right, they should have re-issued it as a JVM410HmkII... like Peavey did to the JSX or the XXX.
you gotta work on that AC/DC - Back In Black rif!
no
@@belligerentamateur sigma reply
His vibrato and string bending are trash, can’t play single note lines worth a shit.
It reassures me that you like the 410HJS. The mods I did to my standard jvm get me very close to the Satriani model on the OD channel so I imagine you wouldn’t think my amp sucks now 😄. Still, I wish it had those built-in noise gates and the non-parallel fx loop. Lovin your channel.
I can't make up my mind to either get the marshall dual super lead or a 5150
The JS version of the JVM is so much better than the standard JVM IMO.
Jvm is my favorite Marshall by far along with jmp1 preamp
This sounds better than the mezzabarba in my view - might have to get one based on this to run alongside my quickrod
That guitar is giving me crazy Thunderhorse vibes, love it
It's a ripper!
Soaked in torment sounds great through the JVM!
I watched both jvm videos. I’m sure you are setting something up wrong here. My jvm sounds epic and certainly has the Marshall snarl! Ps
Check out the bluguitar amp 1 iridium. That is one epic and lightweight amp! I use it all the time
Mine too
@@billhannum4117 Yep, mine too...I have the regular 'ol JVM & it sounds epic indeed...all 4 channels/modes too. Not sure why he couldn't dial in anything decent sounding on the stock JVM. And....no need for an OD on these amps, I mean....why? It's far and away Marshall's best amp IMO......
Kyle my man, thanks for referring to it as a the Marshall snarl. That’s what I’ve called it most of my life but on forums, it was commonly referred to as the Marshall “growl”. I know it’s pedantic, and I hate getting bogged down with words, but I think snarl is much more accurate because Marshalls are known for highs and mids, so snarl makes more sense, whereas growl is more in the lower frequencies. Just had to vent haha
Great vid as always bud!
No doubt, it's always sounded more like snarl, growl to me signifies more lower mid emphasis
@@belligerentamateur you said it better than I could! I like both attributes in my tone, I just think it’s more accurate to call Marshall a snarl.
Speaking of tone phrases, didn’t you do a video on gear buzz phrases recently? If you ever do a part two this would be a fun one to cover ha ha
So at the end kyle which overdrive fits best the amp? The mxr? Thanks
OD1 and 2 are the same on this amp. I forget what Joe's reasoning was. If you do the negative feedback mod on this you can dial in some nice power tube distortion too. R58 on the H and R132 on the HJS.
@DMR that is probably what he was talking about. In the manual he talks about having a tone you really like, but you want it louder while still sounding the same, so small eq tweaks are necessary. I am going to mod one of my OD channels to be voiced more like OD1 on the standard model.......some day.
Great video Kyle I saw Satch years back he had 3of those on stage and 3 cabs loud as hell 😳 😀 he had back up of course but it's a great sounding Amp live Marshall should put a noise gate In some of their offerings thanks again bud .
lmao when he said THANKS
This sounds a lot better than the stock JVM.
Having owned one, this sounds much more organic.
You need to dial it with pizza hands, then it will have a whole lot of organic to it.
@@JohnWiku spill some cola on it, too.
@@vividvulpe9842 and some beer later in the evening 🤣🤣
Totally agree
@@belligerentamateur Funny thing about these comments is that back when I was just out of High School in the bay area, California, I met this amazing drummer a few years younger than me to jam with. I won't name his slam death metal band, as he's still playing till today. Anyway, I left my Peavey XXX stack I had at the time (sold a few years ago so I could move out) over his place so I didn't have to lug it around. When I arrived for my second or third practice, I noticed wicked bad drink rings on the top of the head, and I was like "that's a no-go, guys, wtf". I was really upset !
Tight Like The 1959 SLP but more gain ... My stock 410 was too smooth ? The Foot Controller is a must for custom prints ..
My personal favourit Amp of all time and i owned a ton
I know you demo everything with v30s but you should at least try a mix of g12 t 75s with v30 for marshall type amps. Marshall amps with a cab containing all v30=yuk.
For my personal use? I try amps with tons of different cabs. For videos, gotta keep it the same so the videos can be used as reference.
Hey Kyle, love your channel, but I wanna tell you about one of my biggest discoveries! The mic... I used the 57 forever, worked but I never was fully happy. Anyhow, I tried many, loved the Sennheiser e906, but then I hit on the Lewitt MTP 440. Less of its OWN sound... more balance, more range, more truth. If you get a chance try it.
Hey man! I actually own one! Cool mic for sure!
od ocd, arise is recorded on an amek hendrix
I play a jvm one of the best amps I have ever owned. I am not a metal player though . For classic rock and hard rock its great with one of my Les Paul's I use lower gain settings and push it with a 808
Before watching this video, I assume the reguler JVM is better, but after watching I switch my preference. With boost definitely sounds better. Since I don't have this amp. I use this video as a loose reference on how to dial this amp on Amplitube 5.
Fyi, as of today, only amplitube has the simulation of this amp. No other amp sim plugin maker bothers modelling JVM T....T.
I actually much prefer this over the regular JVM
Man, excellent video as always. I have similar issues with Marshall's. That said, I am looking for Valvestate 6100......
Brendon Small was using this for awhile. Had me interested
You can make a regular JVM sound like this for a 100 bucks. It's just a couple filter caps and some resistors. Buy a used JVM and find a good tech.
I love you but the whole “I don’t play dad rock” spiel into AC/DC and Alice Cooper riffs is hilarious 😂
Yeah, That's the tone. At 8:30 in the vid.
15:00 reminds me of splawn, that amp is amazing value
Ive always wanted one of these
It's a shame that they discontinued this model.. It seems that Marshall is always discontinuing their best designs.. And then propose overpriced reissues of the most iconic ones 10 years later. The best Marshall type amps are now built by boutique amp makers coming from the modding community. However their latest 20w original JMP/JCM/Jubilee series is quite interesting as well as the DSL line.
Yes, and remember the Vintage Modern series? discontinued too...
@@daagaarasplaysvideogames980 I tried a Vintage Modern a while ago through the matching cab, and I thought it was awesome. Great AC/DC tones, great Kill Em All style tones.
My thoughts exactly. Especially when you need versatility.
I have this amp. My only marshall. It’s kind dark and thuddy to me but when I try and dial in the top, it’s kinda gross and unpleasant . I find it tricky to dail in right . I don’t really love the voicing . I don’t feel I can riff with as much articulation as I’d want . I just keep it since I don’t have another el 34 marshall to compare to.
I kinda like that it’s nasty at times but it doesn’t necessarily suit my playing
sell it to me
That sounded Amazing Dude!
I have two... One of the best amp ever.. It s another amp next to the standard jvm.
Definitely prefer it to the original!
When you were playing megadeth. It sounded spot on to that Rust in Peace tone.
I sounds a little too compressed for myself. But definitely better than the normal 410h
I agree, it was hitting the Megadeth tone nicely
Mustain uses the jvm
@@billhannum4117 I know dude. But JVMs weren't a thing in 1990
@@billhannum4117 nowadays mustaine uses a kemper or quadortex or one of those mdoeling amps cant remember which but running like a hot rodded jcm 800 patch or something like that. I think premier guitar got a vid on it
@@JDUBBY08 just said he uses one or has used them jvm wasn't introduced until 2007 I realize this I have one
I own this amp and find it very very picky with what cabinet is used, it sounds mushy and flubby through a Marshall 4x12 with v30’s but absolutely amazing through a Mesa 3/4 back 2x12
What speakers are in the Marshall 4x12 your not fond of?
They are Marshall vintage which is their personal tweak of an early vintage 30, Joe had this amp voiced to go with a regular g12t75 4x12, the mesa cab has mesa v30’s in , it’s more to do with general lack of tightness on Marshall cabs, as I’ve played it through five or more different cabs and the difference is make or break
Saw your review of your Blackstar HT50 which you hate, seems sounded much better 🤣. Maybe something to do with mic placement. Still sound good though I'm a big Satriani fan and it's impossible for me to get this amp vs. JSX
Yeah can’t find one for sale
much MUCH better than the standard JVM. Thanks Kyle :D
You're welcome
I used to have one those. Great amp! Sold it for $2500 on Reverb. Wished i would of kept it
death threat love the new england representation
Peace and Security is a top 5 hardcore record for me
Wish I could find one of these 😢
Anger!
That amp would sound good in a mix with an orange amp I bet.
Ahgreed!
considerable more reasonable in the voicing. similarly, just like you said, too much preamp gain and it gets wooly and gross. the answer is obviously an overdrive. with 4 channels and 3 modes each, you'd hope it did everything, but it still doesn't really smack ass without a boost.
LOL. Those disclaimers.
He said he’s not going to play classic rock and then the first riff he plays is Back and Black by AC/DC. Second is No More Mr. Nice Guy by Alice Cooper. Interesting.
Everyone shat on the JVM ten years ago, and they shat on the JS version after that. Now that it's discontinued, the interwebs deemed it the ULTIMATE MARSHALL...well, it's not of course. But it's my favorite, and by far the best equipped modern JVM amp. But because people cant find this thing out there, it gets the mysterious goofy rep. It's a great amp, but it's not a metal machine like the JVM without a boost. But since it takes boosts great, yiu can have it all. Except you can find them anymore. Learn your lesson, Interwebz.
Im enjoying all your content, Super Fun
They don’t make this anymore!? What happened to Marshall? They need to deliver some new huger gain amplifiers. The DSL is good but could use some updated features. Just seems tired over there at Marshall.
HUGER GAIN BABY
Are you playing this head through a Boogie cab??? Marshalls aren't really voiced for V30's, thats why you always have horrid upper mids fizz... For Marshalls, better through any cabs with T-75's or GM65's
Way too much sizzle for on the top end pin higher gain settings.
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I, too, am not here to play classic rock 😂 Bullet semi-dodged on a used JVM after watching this.
Now that they no longer make this head the average price for a pristine one is over $3K. And that's if you can find one. I did.
CLASSIC RAWK RIFFS!!!
So, does anyone know, is the built-in gate the same one from the KFK signature head (same one the Fortin Zuul is based on)?
I believe it is the same
jvm again? thanks
How about a side to side comparison of these 2 JVM's. Haven't seen too many descent comparisons.
Because he sold the regular JVM410H....Jarrod from Tone Wars has it now.
I'd love to, but sold both amps already
I might do one on my channel one day, I have access to both amps. Just dropping this for future seekers.
Lmao 🤘 well done Kyle. You gettin some funnies out.
Thanks man!
That Back in Black attempt was taking the piss right??? 😂😂😂😂
How's this compare to the JSX?
Pretty different, still Peavey vs Marshall, signature sounds still apply
@@belligerentamateur this isn't guitar related I've been looking at buying a mountain bike and I saw you commented on a mountain bike video. How bad are the big box store bikes like Walmart target etc? Would I be better off going to a bike shop and buying used? Just using the bike for rides around the neighborhood and light trails on a forest preserve. Nothing crazy.
@@sho-nuffmadrigal6857 Hey dude, some of the newer Wal Mart bikes aren't bad at all. I highly recommend the Kent Trouvaille. Nice bike out of the box that doesn't need anything to handle what you want it to do!
@@belligerentamateur thanks for the recommendation. I appreciate it.
No Joe Satriani licks? Im so angry
Just kidding lol
I love what you do. To bad these are now selling for $3500 to $4000. Cool amp but i still want the Kerry King signature model.
I am angry. This channel makes me so angry but i always come back. Hihihihi :)
JCM 2000/DSL100 or JVM ?
2000 over regular JVM, never heard this model live.
2000 DSL for me, it's my favorite marshall
@@belligerentamateur 👍
No smoke on the watter
Wattttttter
@@belligerentamateur well you could learn some children tunes for the clean section
whats the riff at 6:00
Feathers by Coheed and Cambria
I don't know how you get these different amps , but i'm Jealous! Fun stuff.
Lots of buying and selling my friend
It's Marshall tradition to discontinue their best amps
You ain't lyin
Ok. Place your ANGRY COMMENT HERE PLEASE!!!. Cool dude. Already liked the video 🤣
Thanks my angry friend!
Super!
The JVM design is so weird . They took the bashing roar out . It just doesn’t open like even a TSL. The next flagship amp they make needs that back . It’s still a good amp but the bark was highly missed
agreed
jubilee = done!
Those need a boost and right cabs , I never use a drive or boost ,
THANKS FOR THIS POST THERE ISN'T ENOUGH VIDEOS OF THIS ULTIMATE MARSHALL IF YOU PLAY NOTHING BUT METAL YOU WILL WANT TO GET A GOOD PEDAL BECAUSE THIS AMP IS JUST A TAD BIT LOOSER THAN THE STANDARD...{WHICH I SOLD TO GET THIS}. YOUR SPEAKERS HAVE EVERYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR FINAL TONE THIS AMP IS TOTALLY UNBEATABLE FOR STUDIO WORK I HAVE ENGL'S BOOGIES KSR AND MANY OTHERS INCLUDING FRIEDMANS THIS IS THE TOP CHOICE FOR RECORDS BAR NONE....NOTHING BEATS IT FOR ANY STYLE
For anyone interested, it's supposedly pretty easy to mod the "stock" JVM into this. Quick google search.
They didn't change much (besides having the noise gate in place of reverb), apparently a lot of the difference is just that it comes biased hotter.
Not true, there are big changes to the PCB. The remote switching circuit is also much updated.
What @Jacob said. I've owned both, and they are completely different inside. And it's NOT biased hotter at all 😂
Complementary algorithm comment.
Noise gates in an amp is such a nobrainer, all amps should have them!!!
At this point, anything high gain, I agree
They always mess with my tone
This amp is so hard to find lol