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Can Marshall Compete With The Market It Created? | Marshall JVM410H High Gain Tube Amp
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What is your overall favourite amp?
Cool amp. I prefer the Satch version. Marshall needs a new flagship.
Are you promoting russian company on your T when their country kills and bombs peaceful cities of neighboring Ukraine? Can I pay your for not wearing it?
My main amp since they were introduced. OD1 Orange is pure modded Marshal no OD required. I own other amps but those are just for fun.
2203 KK
Rabea did an awesome video about his JVM not long ago and it sold it to me. Went out and got one for a bargain price almost straight away. Haven't regretted it. Love it. Sucks that they aren't cheap in the US, but we suffer when it comes to Mesa, Friedman etc...
Rabea's review is indeed terrific. JVM410H is a monstrous amp, love mine.
Rabea's review where he rediscovered his JVM is absolutely the best review I've seen of the JVM410. Dead on perfect to what the JVM sounds like or at least what mine sound like.
yeah i`m regretting i saw that. i need one now.
Had a ton of luck and managed to get a second hand one in perfect shape for 600€ in France from someone who got it as a replacement just in case his main head suddenly broke on tour but actually never really came to use it. I couldn't believe it when I saw the offer. I traveled an hour and a half by train just to pick it up but man was it worth it. Absolute best deal of my life. Will never sell it.
It’s a great amp, and the concept is pretty unique and probably won’t be mimicked easily. I think the tweaks made with the Satriani version make it a better amp but the bare bones of it is a great sounding modern Marshall
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the 410h was a response to the Mesa RoadKing which had 4 channels and multiple power amp options.
While I'm not a "Marshall guy", I still think the Silver Jubilee is my favorite amp they've ever made. A different animal, I know, but man what a killer sound it has....
I like that you gave the amp a chance, even if it's clearly not your thing. I love mine, but it's heavily modded. Before the mods I wasn't really happy with it either. Based on your demos it now sits between a stock JVM and the HJS, a bit closer to the latter. Through my V30/Greenback mix cab it sounds full and punchy, without being harsh or muffled. And works wonderfully in a band and live situation. But again... it's so subjective. I love your channel! Keep it up!
I have the 210 which the same thing with only one of the OD channels, and I find that OD1 orange with a Boss SD-1 used as a clean boost makes it sound insane. I really like the cleans with the reverb setting on and a chorus pedal. The footswitch is the coolest thing about it because you can have like a million different presets or toggle reverb or volume boost on or off
I've found that the green setting for the OD channels is really open and takes a boost well.
It's also interesting that each channel has both volume and gain in addition to the master volume for the whole amp. Having the channel volume up seems to help the tone.
Agreed, seems to fill out a little
I love mine a lot. Started on a Marshall went thru piles of other hype and am happy to have the Marshall sound around again. My Revv , my stealth and 410 h keep me very happy.
Glad you dig it man!
One of the best review channels on RUclips!!! Great that you use a simple man's 57 mic rather than virtual cabs, etc. I don't care what anyone says, recording virtual simulators for sound demos is highly misleading because they sound nothing like a real cabinet that's mic'd.
I own a JVM215C for more than 12 years now, and I really think it is a must have in terms of versatility. After all these years, I found that you extract the most out of it with all EQs maxed out (this is the neutral mode by the way on any amp, not noon as EQs circuitry can just take sound away... think of it). The pre-amp volume knob is very sensitive, and if you want your amp to sound OK, you have to push it hard. The green mode on the clean channel is wonderful with a lot, really a lot, of power as it runs in pure class A mode. The overdrive modes/channels are a must, but you have to spend time to find the good sound. The orange mode will probably fit most tasks, as the red one is really meant for leads. Much more could be said about these, but for sure there is a lot of value for money here. If your preferred amp is a 5150 or equivalent, you will be possibly disapointed as these ones have a total different concept, with much more compression and much more bass.
You are not wrong with your equation on the EQ, but you don't take into account that the electronic design is eventually made the way that the best sound can be had with the knobs at 5, because the engineers know their customers are used to dialing amps these ways.
@23:17 sounds cool man!
I have the Jvm410 and i like it, as i prefer it on my Jcm800
I put KT77s in my JVM, and it seemed to tame some of the harshness on the high end and tightened up the low end a bit. Awesome sounding amp when it’s dialed in right
Interesting, KT77 are supposed to have more highs then EL34, but maybe the frequency shift just favors the amp
Thing is these amps are for people who really like endless tweaking. It's basically four amps in one, each with 3 channels, and it will take a lot of trial and error to get them dialled in and find out which one works best for each tone you want. Once you figure it all out, though, it sounds amazing, and I can't think of another amp this versatile until you get to into the territory of stuff like the H&K Tri-Amp etc.
The clean and crunch channels are actually more of a Fender kind of sound, to my ears, lots of bass, and respond nicely to single coils. Meanwhile if you want the classic Marshall sound, you're better off running the OD channels with lower gain, like literally down at 2-3. You have to be very conservative with the resonance/presence too, especially on OD2. Also, it really, really likes EMGs.
I think the main reason it doesn't sound great in this video is that you didn't use a particular green OD pedal ;)
I tried multiple overdrives through it for my metallic hardcore band and couldn't let go of the SD-1. The texture and the savageness it provides is unmatched for me. Even though in some scenarios the sound was tighter with a Maxon OD-808, it never had the organic "full of life" effect the SD-1 has. Just my personal opinion though.
You've kind of nailed what I have always thought of the JVM, very versatile, but hard for it not sound too harsh or too muffled. It also does seem to be missing something in the mids. I like it, its a great gigging amp because of all of the different options but it's kinda hard to dial.
YUP
I had the jvm205h, and overall it was a pretty dry and harsh sounding amp. I play a bit of everything. I ended up trading it for a JCM800 1watt mini stack, and then bought the larger JCM head because I loved the little one. Couldn't be happier. Great demo!
Hello Kyle! Great video as always and really like your reviews and style doing them!
Just wanted to say that I had this JVM410h for a few years, when I wanted to jam again I looked for used head+cabs and found a good deal on one! And as I say when people ask me about it on how good is it I just say that "Its the worlds OKayest amp" hahah. The thing about it is that it doesnt cost 4k$ as my Mark V + Mesa cab, its really easy to get good tones and its built like a tank and for the $1200 used or 2000 new you can get it with the typicall Marshall 1960A cab cant ask more! I really like it, I usually push the Crunch channel with the Boss SD1 or the Boss BD1 to get some sparkly highs and mids, even though if you push the treble, volume and presence it opens up but still. And the OD1 Orange mode can also be really sick, pushed or not.
All in all, is as I say the Worlds okayest amp, it deals really good cleans for the gigs, crunch and overdriven tones, takes pedals really good, its easy to dial and works really well with the Marshall 1960 cabs. Also, I tried it with the Mesa with V30s and didnt like that mutch and I found something weird on the mids too... I think it really shines with the G12s from Marshall, its still on the warmer side but mutch better.
Anyway, Im not saying that you need to try that, really like that you try different heads with the same equipment and thats the way to really give a true idea of the sound. Cya!
Thanks man, glad you dug it!
I been wanting a JVM for awhile now,but they are getting more expensive as everything else gear has gone up so much great video Kyle 😈🤘🎶🎶
I think you & I had touched on this one a couple of weeks ago, Kyle.
Ahhh, the 410h.
Great cleans on Ch. 1 - certainly on the green mode. I had been playing it through a typical 1960A cab with G12T-75's, and every mode where distortion came along, it sucked. I tried EQ's all over the place, and it had an awful spike in the 1.7 to 2.1 Khz zone, and not nearly enough presence. When you boosted up the presence, it just turned into even more of a hot mess.
When using the orange and/or red modes on OD1 & OD2, the gain turns is into a flubbing mess when you go above 9 o'clock (just as this one was doing). Problem is - you can't get any balls out of it until you DO go above that setting.
So I'd read where if you stuck an ECC823 in V1, you'd get far less gain out of the distortion modes on OD's 1 & 2, but it would leave the distortion levels the same on the first two channels. The distortion on the OD channels was definitely less, and you can turn the gain up - getting more balls and smoothness. However, DO NOT DO THIS. I got two of the 823's and got 2 hours out of one tube and about 4 out of the other before they blew up. Both blew right in the middle of shows as well, so that pissed me off enough to go out and get a Peavey Invective (more on that later).
After it blew the second time, I brought it home, and hadn't touched for about a year. All new tubes in it, including KT77's in the output section. I wasn't going to start sticking mods in it, because if an amp is worth a shit, you shouldn't have to "mod" it at all.
I'd gotten a couple of V30's and stuck them in my cab, and really loved how much better they made my Invective sound, so I thought I'd try it with the JVM. First thing - I noticed the JVM sounded a good bit better. As I started tinkering with it, I found that if you set the presence up to 3 o'clock or higher, and turned the treble at ZERO (yes - all the way off) on the OD channels, that was a big help. Still - the lack of balls with the ECC83/12AX7's on the OD channels sucked. Finally, I found that if you run the gain on the GREEN modes on the OD channels WIDE OPEN, then you get the balls it lacked without flubbing out. When you stick a tube screamer behind those channels at that point, THEN you get a pretty damned good sound.
It's a really picky amp, and pretty frustrating as well.
The Invective can be pretty picky as well, but once you get IT figured out, then I'd say that it is definitely a better sounding amp than the JVM. You just have to tweak them. I use the OD crunch channel on it for leads (fattest, best lead sound I've ever gotten, and I have a Mk IIC+ as well), and use a low gain setting on its OD 2 channel for dirty rhythm. It doesn't lose the balls nearly as much as the JVM does at lower gain levels.
Anyways - I do need amps like these. I need an amp that gets LOUD cleans (need the headroom), and I need MIDI. Band I'm in is a jam band that goes between almost bluegrass to metal, so I need all the tones!
Sorry for the ramble, but hopefully this will help a few folks out...
Thanks (as always) for the review, Kyle!
Not because i own this amp but for your awesome effort telling whats what according to you. Big up!
The JCM800KFK Kerry King Signature would be a top seller if they would do that one again with high-quality parts and hand wiring. The JVM 410H is killer too.
Hey man, great channel! I’m a newcomer and dig the whole bag going on here.
Whilst I am conflicted, this might be the perfect opportunity to rag on the JVM410H. This was my old band mate’s prized new amp, and he thought it was the cats pyjamas. Dare it not be criticised!
It did have a few good and usable sounds across all channels, very usable clean & edge of break up tones.
But… well, as you said, it’s incredibly hard to balance out the eq on those high gain channels. OD 1 & 2 always sounded too ‘closed’ and thin and…just underwhelming wherever chugs were required. Perhaps a Boss DS1 or similar boost would have opened things up, as you had it sounding towards the end on OD2. Rant over. To be fair, my tone was far from perfect!
Anyways keep up the great work and thank you! 🍻
Love your content dude!!!!!
Keep it up!
Thanks for video man, informative and entertaining! It would be great if you could compare it to other amps, like a 2203, just a thought. Keep it up brother!
I do a head to head series comparing similar amps, marshalls will be featured at some point!
I prefer the sound of this amp boosted especially in E standard. And I really like the tone on last section. Maybe this amp is more suitable for lower tuning.
Same
I don't bond with these amps much either. my favorite one is the 20 watt with el34s. I bought the revv Shawn tubb pedal a couple weeks ago. I got to say I use everywhere I go now. that high pass filter with the tilt eq and the clean boost 👌. I have had the mxr graphic eq on my board for years, And with changing cabs,mics,and amps constantly. I would sit and play around with the mxr forever. Not anymore. The revv is just so fast to dial in, and if I don't want to use the boost and only the tilt, I can, just put your favorite boost in front with the eq no problem.Most of the time I don't want more distortion or Saturation, I just want to make it the low end tight. and it does it so well. my orange OR50, framus cobra, dragon, and my schecter hellwin. I can get the low under control no problem. Great showing of Marshall no matter if you love it or hate. good job bro.
You got some tones I really liked even if they weren’t your favorite. Very well done video.
Thank you!
I am not usually a fan of Marshall but this sounds great.
Idk about you but I felt like that Drop tuned riff at the end had an incredible tone.
I recently heard one of these live at a bar and was totally impressed. Shocked actually, i just ordered one with fortin mod!
The only way that I've been able to tame the high end annoying brightness is to turn up the gain, which brings up the thump of the amp as well. After that an od pedal will keep it from collapsing the low end.
The mid and the presence controls seem to do almost the same thing. The bass does almost nothing at all settings.
Just my experience.
Michael amott from arch enemy loves this amp for a reason. I love this amp. I have one lol.
Dude, I like how you do stuff right off the cuff! "Why am I so dark in that camera!?"
Haha, yep, no script here
Hi brother! Awesome riffs!
Do you think that os better than the DSL? Mostlly for thrash.
Cheers from Portugal 🤘🍺🇵🇹
Just upgraded to the JVM410H from the JVM210 in April, wish I had bought the flagship when they first came out when it was significantly more reasonably priced. The OD2 seems to be the OD channel of the 2 channel but I’m really liking the OD1 orange mode. How high are you running the volumes? I was creeping the channel volume up on the 2 channel up so high that I added an attenuator. Didn’t notice much of a difference in tone between that and the 4 channel at a comfortable level. Are you using a Digitech Drop pedal? My Les Pauls ‘57/‘57+ & burst buckers sound really good to me through the JVMs. The active EMG Jackson sounds good, Ibanez 7 with Bare Knuckle War Pigs & PRS with DW Mojotone Tomohawks sounds good as well, without redialing. The DiMarzio double humbucker equipped guitars sound good, but I do have to adjust things more than I like. Haven’t really been satisfied with any single coil pickups through the JVMs without a plethora of pedals. I really also wish that the JVM410H had a built in gate like the JS version, but had everything else the same.
new Marshall amps suck really bad they look and feel cheap garbage. Prefer boutique amps for this money now.
@@GuitarsAndSynths Most boutiques are about $1,500 more and don't offer the versatility of the JVM. There is a distinct difference between the made in England and not.
Good point and good gear bro. My question is did the 210 and 410 had the same valves???? Do they sound the same ???? Besides the extras on 410? I have the 210h which I am thinking to work on. 🤔
@@redsilverjackThanks 🙏... Assuming that Marshall didn't change the tubes along the way, they should have been the same. (The 210 was made in '08 and the 410 in '21 so that could also come into play as they were original.) You can get really close to the same tones on the clean/crunch with redialing but it depends what you're after as there are distinct advantages to having 4 independent channels. A transparent boost may add more "warmth" and better shape the tone to make up for the difference but I haven't tried it myself. The 210 OD seems to be near identical to the OD2 of the 410. I think you could boost and shape the mids on the 210 to get it to be closer to OD1. (If the 410 only had one channel and gain mode, OD1 orange would be what I'd go for...JCM 800-ish) Different tubes could have more of an impact with the JVM than just EQ and boost alone but I personally don't have any experience in that area. My Mesa can use 3 different sets of tubes and it does drastically change the tonal character. I bought a few other amplifiers that have a better "feel" to me than the 210 but decided to try the 410 before possibly abandoning the JVMs. (Chasing tone down the rabbit hole, again.) I got by without a noise gate for the 210 but the 410 has one in the effects loop to make better use of all that gain on tap.
I think you should do a video where you what Rabea did and stereo rig this amp with a 5150II. According to him, that's how he got his tone for years before switching to Victory amps.
Nice Bro, I ended up with a JVM 210, now I can see how you dial it in!
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"This channel is for thrash and hardcore riffs"
-*Stanglehold*
Lol just messing. Love the channel. I used to think that I wanted a JVM410, but I've seen a couple videos on the Monomyth Origin 50 and I think that's really the only Marshall I want now
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I'm going to pickup a Carvin V3 this weekend, the 100 watt head.
I love the marshall sound! Wish it looked different sometimes tho
I owned 205h for a while. It's kind of a Swiss army knife of an amp that ends up sounding like the most bland version of every amp it tries to jam into one. The switching is brilliant and does a lot of things right, but it requires some modifications to really make it sound as good as it should be.
I’ve got a 205h that has the plexi cap and negative feedback mod and it sounds a lot more natural than a stock JVM. I can really break into some great hot rodded JCM 800 tones on the orange mode of the overdrive channel
I got a JVM 410H recently, and while it is just a bit sterile for what I love (looking into NFB mod), I am actually quite in love with it the way it is. That said, my gain seems to have SO MUCH more gain that Kyle's! I play a Fender AVRI '62 Jazzmaster (not exactly high gain pickups), and the amber channels have more gain that I could ever need, with the red channels being an ungodly amount of gain. I've read about a lower gain mod, maybe someone did a ridiculous gain mod to mine! haha
NFB and gain reduction mods really do help this amp out. Mines modded for fender BF on clean green. OD2 is a modded to a mesa recto. Also have the plexi cap mod. Was going to do the anti-stiffness mod, but decided the amp sounded fine. Awesome modding platform.
I had three JVMs and couldn't quite fall in love with any of them. I'll stick with my JCM800 for the Marshall tone, and plug into my Mesas if I feel the need for throat- punching aggression.
That's pretty much how I've always felt as well
I own this amp. It records decentely, but lack some mids in important places, which makes it questionable for certain live use. I LOVE the feel of OD1 and OD2. Green OD1 is the best classic mid/high gain Marshall. My friend has a Satriani, and it solves all the voicing issues on OD1/2, but it is a slightly different beast overall.
At what frequencies exactly? It has been said to have a bump at 2 kHz.
Yes The Episode that I've been waiting......👍👍
Well, with all the great HG amps available today, good luck to them...despite the fact that by and large, these modern amps are utilizing modified Marshall-esque circuitry anyway.
"there is just kind of a thinness in the upper mids that I can't really get along with"
*presence at 9*
Dude, Marshalls just work differently.
First of all, the gain knob also works as a filter - gain below 5 = cuts off the bass, gain above 5 = cuts off the highs
Second, the master eq (presence and resonance) is ADDING things to the sound. I record my JVM with presence and resonance off (to 0), that way it's the most balanced amp I've ever heard, the high gain tones are super angry but at the same time it feels like super soft pillows, so nice.
By the way your Les Paul really has an incredibly low output, according to manual, the green crunch is modeled after JTM45 and the orange crunch is supposed to be JCM800. For those cases I recommend getting a Boss EQ pedal or another way you could adjust the volume of your guitar going to the amp
The last demo sounded the best.. Dark winter pickups would pull more beast out of that amp👍
This amp is heaven to me!!
I still really want to get one of these one day as I love Marshall. I've got a JCM 2000 DSL and I think it sounds great but I'd still love to get a JVM410.
I vastly prefer the DSL honestly
@@belligerentamateur I'm planning on keeping the DSL too I just like the options of the JVM410.
Wasn’t satisfied with my JVM until I had a few simple mods done to it. It’s awesome now.
I’ve heard the same thing. I like how it sounds from the clips I’ve heard, but it does make me wonder that if it costs over $3000 it probably shouldn’t have to be modded to sound good.
There used to be a whole forum dedicated to the JVM with common mods and schematics, but it seems to have disappeared from the internet
Still can't figure out of i want the marshall jvm or a mesa mark v
Drop the idea of „I paid for 4 channels“ so I have to use them. I came from the DSL Marshall with one EQ for everything. With the JVM I only use clean and crunch with different EQ and love it. High Gain with fuzz or distortion pedals. I love this amp.
I mean, that's why the majority of people who buy this amp choose it. Otherwise, you can just get the 205/210
I love this amp!
I find it a bit strange, i actually really like the JVM..I just dont expect it to be the super modern high gain amp, its more on the spongey side of gain and just different so I approach it different..I've recorded one on my channel! (Profiled my own JVM). However, I do agree with what you are saying, but to me its just a little different than other amps!
All the reasons that many of the high gain channels don’t seem to dig it is the exact reason I love the JVM 410. I love it’s over the top OD and it’s spongey sound. I stick around foo fighters, sabbath, Ozzy, stuff like that though.
Kyle, these amps come biased super cold from factory (like 50mv per pair) which makes them sound kinda solid state-ish and harsh. Bring the bias up to 70mv per pair and it turns into a completely different beast, night and day difference! The mid character changes a lot and it becomes much less harsh in the upper mids and much more pleaseant sounding.
I think Marshall were overcompensating for getting flamed for recommending 90mv for the DSL series (way too much current at idle) and red-plating the tubes. They probably figured too cold a bias was better than too hot.
@@scottdunn2178 yeah absolutely, they are playing it safe with the JVM... but they end up hurting the amps potential tone.
@@niemand5627 Right
that's great info right there. Sadly though, you have to commit to buying one before you can hear that. I want to like the JVM, but even 2nd hand, they don't depreciate much in cost. Do you have any videos of yours?
@@Gornflyin I own a JVM210H which is the 2 channel version, which I prefer. It has the OD2 channel which is the best for modern metal in my opinion (orange mode - boosted). I can try recording some clips later but trust me, a lot of people give up on the JVMs, sell them and don't ever bother checking the bias on them... The difference in tone is absurb once biased right.
I have it I gets pretty close to a 800 on some settings and really close to a plexi . Thus amp has more gain than I will ever use . This came out in 2007 and has been overlooked but it can do alot of stuff a evh 5150 el34 or a friedman can do
Also speakers make a huge differrence v 30s are mid rich try gt1275s or greenbacks
Would you ever be interested in doing some Orange stuff like the 100w Dual dark or the Rockerverb series
Yeah great amps imo. I second this!
Awesome amp, played it at gigs that had it in the backline and I'd just go to the 2nd channel, plug in my pedalboard and use it like a 2203. The tone is 90% there. Super convenient to have a builtin reverb.
very good review !
Thank you!
Where was your master and channel volume at? A good tone from this amp it must be loud
I disagree, louder makes it worse IMO
@@belligerentamateur amp takes a long time to figure out when you get there it's magic. Every knob and switch reacts with next one. So much gain and low end. Anyway great channel. Love the content
The JVM410H is a monstrous amp, love mine.
Glad it works for you, man!
@@belligerentamateur . Yeah, it just does so much. Their goal was a flagship amp that can approximate the sound of any and all Marshalls ever made......and I honestly feel it can do this to about 95% accuracy. It's such a versatile amp that has the Marshall sizzle in spades. To me it's just a steal for perhaps $1100-$1200 on the used market. Great segment Kyle. 👍
Kyle, do you record bands? I ask, because you are a master at getting guitar tones. Thanks dude!
I've considered it but I need a space to do it first!
Just picked up one of these today. The guitar store had a one for 50% and it was only rented out a couple times (no shit). Super happy. Fucking hell of a deal for a hell of an amp.
To be honest I’ve been eyeballing the JVM for a while and was a little meh on what I was hearing which was disappointing but that last riff you played was exactly what I was anticipating this amp sounds like. It definitely steers me away a little thinking about how much tweaking it took to get there though. As always, thanks for the video and great job!
Happy to help!!
Give it a try, my number one amp since it came and honestly it really doesn't take that long to dial in. No different than any other amp.
I honestly can’t play my JVM without a SD1 in front and a eq in the loop. It just doesn’t sound right without. I much prefer the JVM over my Mesa MKV though. However neither of them can touch my Revv gen mk3.
JVM's ODs sound alot better when channel volume is near max
doesn't make any difference on my amp, there is nothing going on between channel volume and master volume, just two knobs in series
Just to ask….Kyle…..so what is your fave Marshall amp?
Why?
Idk what yer talking about dude. This amp sounds great on any setting. You could have a blind octopus constantly twisting the knobs and its all gonna sound fine.
i love marshall 4 channels 4 same tone
I got a great deal on a mint JVM 410 locally but it’s sitting next to a Diezel Herbert in my recording studio and in no way can it compete with the much higher quality Diezel amp.
Kyle, it sounds very thin, brittle and harsh in your demo; good representation and comprehensive review as usual. Great job, Kyle.
@Bess Ross I have both, as well as several other Marshalls and there’s no comparison whatsoever.
Diezel amps are built to much higher quality standard than Marshall. Look at the guts side by side, there is no debate there.
I have this amp and I love it. That said, the heaviest I go (usually) is Megadeth/Metallica territory, which it does very well (especially Megadeth). It really isn't an amp that's overly suited for modern style metal tones though, I did like the tones that you got out of it though, I guess I'm just a Marshall guy through & through haha.
Well done!
I gotta say, OD2 Red is very modern sounding high gain with it's lower mid frequency range.
Eh?..urhm....Alexi Laiho from Children of Bodom? Death Metal on a JVM410H with a D Standard or C# tuning 6 strings; a boost pedal; a Chorus pedal on the OD1 Orange/Red. The Tone was insane!
I've owned this amp since 2007 when it first came out.. it really needs an od pedal in front to get those mids to sound right
Stop it… literally has 12 different sounds not all of them need help
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@@bmark7951 for metal I feel that it does. I own one and I don't really like the high gain stuff without an overdrive. The orange OD channel is like a JCM800, it needs a little boost for most metal. I prefer OD orange with boost over OD red with no boost
It sounded quite good in this video when boosted
I had to play solid state amp in the guitar store as I couldn't stand the tone I am getting with it. It has weird, bloaty, congested mids, compared to other models. In a mix it may be ok, it may deliver enough gain compared to DSL or 6100, but for me it is literally "MEH" sounding. My buddy had a modded version with some choke and mods - it sounded slightly clearer and it was better, but still remained some of this distortion type
Joe Satriani version has the same problem when compared to 6100, 6100 sounds much thinner, but much more raw, aggressive, open
Very good!!, marshall fantastic.
I own and love a JVM, and I can tell you right now that something is happening with the sound of your amp 😄Orange mode on the OD-channels should be drowning in gain at 12 oclock and your guitar still sounded weak and barely saturating. Sounds like maybe something was severely decreasing the guitars volume before the amp, if not you might have a defective amp. I've never had the OD channels' gain above around 11 oclock on orange/red as there is just too much gain at that point. I recommend you get it checked out!
This.
Nope, totally not. I've owned probably 10 of these amps, and they've all sounded just like this. Doubt all 10 had the exact same problem. lol
@@belligerentamateur What was your master volume at?
I’m surprised at how thin the crunch channel sounded, that’s all.
My JVM410 sounds just like Kyle’s.
I'm very surprised to hear that, I wonder why that is. I totally agree that yours sound weak and thin in this video, it's nothing like mine. I recommend Rabea Massaad's video "rediscovering my JVM" from a few months ago, you can hear how gained out it is with the gain knob set before 12 on the orange/red OD channels (green OD is still pretty lame to be honest 😄). Maybe someone has an answer to why that is, I can't imagine different tubes would change the sound THIS much either. Strange.
Kyle! You need to demo the Hughes and Kettner Attax. Or anything Hughes and Kettner has made in the past. Like the Attax, Switchblade, or Coreblade. Thanks! Cheers.
May have some old H&K tube amps coming up soon
@@belligerentamateur Yes please!!!!! H&K are underrated and get no recognition.
Sounds alright but I think I prefer my JCM 2000 DSL100... That said, I'd be curious to try the Satriani JVM
Same. Mine is a '98 so needed the revision 20 motherboard replaced. The last of the classic Marshalls IMO. Steve Grindrod who also designed the 2203/2204 in 1976 designed the DSL in '95. He was rushed by Marshall R&D to get the amp to market to compete with the Dual Rectifier. Hence all the issues.
@@scottdunn2178 that makes sense now! I always wondered why they had issues and assumed it was because Marshall never gave a fuck. Guess I was right 😂
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I don’t know what I think of this amp. I feel like there’d have to be a lot of working with it to dial in a real good tone.
I have a DSL40 and I do wish each of the 4 channels had their own EQ. Well, this amp is what I am looking for in that respect. This is way more amp than I will ever need though. Oh well. More than anything, putting a compression in the front of the amp and an EQ in the back, it really wakes up the overdrives without an overdrive pedal. Maybe this amp would benefit as well.
Growing up, it was always do you want Marshall or Modern? The OD2 sounds like a combination of both, but not truly hitting the end points of a JCM800 or a Rectifier. It's always going to be somewhere in between. If someone just wants a fully pushed and modded 800 2203, then they're just going to have to go get a modded 800 2203 and push it. If they want a more "modern" sounding amp like a Rectifier. Then they're going to have to go get a Rectifier. I don't think either group will ever be truly happy with this amp. This does sound like an amp for those who like to tweak EQ knobs and get a million different sounds. Or you can be like this guy and have 25 different amps stacked up behind you to get those 25 unique sounds. To each their own.
Bring back the 2203 KK!! Simple and badass.
Ive had a JVM410H for 6 years atleast. Mine doesn't sound like yours in the video.....Now I am running KT77's in the power section, but even on EL34's it had more oopmh than yours in this video for some reason. For instance, red on the crunch with a boost is Monstrous on mine......fat as hell. (of course its a Maxon st9 pro+ so maybe that is it?)
I've had a bunch and they all sound like this, in my experience,
I had one and really liked it. I no longer have the amp but thought it was a great package. Marshalls do metal, just in a Marshall way. Obviously bands like Slayer, Megadeth, John 5 (Rob Zombie) still use Marshall amps.
BLS as well! Yeah I like the beefy Marshall tone better compared to Mesas or the 5150s/6505s I like all those amps but like the chunkier Marshall tone. I fine the Mesas are tricky to EQ and can have a bit of a fizz to them. The 5150s/6505 have a more darker tonality which is cool but not for me. My buddy's play them and they have awesome tone, just not my personal style.
What year is that les paul your playing?
2013 Traditional!
How guitar?
Ok thanks Kyle! Now i know that my dsl 100 is actually the shit ^^
Yes, yes it is
Now the wall is complete! Lol!
Is it ever really, though?
@@belligerentamateur You need taller ceilings!
In a comment section of Beas review there is a comment from Santiago, the designer of this amp. According to him OD1 and OD2 have the same amount of gain. They just have different voicing. Quite interesting.
I think 'amount of gain' is a very relative thing. You could calculate the dB each gainstage makes, but our perception of 'gain' is very often based on many aspects, things we might indeed call voicing.
@@veganlion8662 Yesä agreed, but try to explain that for Sergej. Impossible if you ask me.
@@svenzia Not sure what’s your problem guys. All I did is that I passed on words from the designer of this amp himself. In that case go and argue with him instead if you’re such a smart asses. Cheers.
@@sergejkrynycky728 Mission impossible. Its Sergej way or the highway. I even saw him calling a ordinary Fender Telecaster for Fender Telephonecaster. No such thing, but Sergej told us in the comment section we were wrong. TELEPHONE-CASTER. WTF?
@@svenzia Hahahahaha, he even called it Gibson Telephonecaster. He mixed things up. Lol!
It Has to Be good, alexi laiho (RIP) used this on he's regular giggin amp
How does it hold up to the jcm2000
i feel like 10 years ago i sat down in a store and tried all of this and came to the conclusion that the gain channels just get woofy and ridiculous and i couldn't get what i wanted. granted, i had no idea what i was doing that long ago, but a lot of your findings here are pointing me in the same direction. it's a lot of amp, most of which doesn't sound very good on it's own.
Some Leeway - Enforcer. Nice!
yes!
Channel volumes are waaay too low. Your master at 5 on the dial is the minimum you want so you're in the right ballpark there. But the channel volumes you've got at 2-3 is just too low! Should be at 5 on the dial too.
This is probably the first JVM review I've seen that really nails the weirdness of this amp.
Took me ages to learn to love my JVM. Always sounded super harsh to me until I stuck E34Ls in it. Also despite all the channels and modes it offers, it's kind of a one trick pony to me. OD Orange with a boost is where it's at. The cleans and crunches are OK but not very inspiring and the OD red modes are barely even usable to me.
Great job, Kyle!
OD orange with an SD1 >>>
Do the big boi Silver Jubilee. It's an absolute beast of an amp.
Absolutely will if I can find one at a decent price!
@@belligerentamateur you the man!
I loved my silver jubilee for 80’s stuff but also definitely not a modern amp
@@Thegamer12342 neither is a JCM800 but it still sounds wicked. I'd like to see Kyle work his magic on the EQ on the Jubilee as it is very sensitive and he has some awesome OD pedals.
On paper the JVM seems versatile but whats the point if it doesnt sound good?
What the JVM is totally missing is it doenst sound "direct". You will never get this via a clip, but you hear/feel this immediatly when A/B-ing with other amps.
If you want a versatile Marshall get the 6100 instead of the JVM.
Agreed
Yea I dont think that thing is meant to be played on V30s. You might get better results using g12 t 75s (as marshall uses) or use a cab with 2 v30s and 2 G12 T 75s in an x pattern.
That's my setup, the X pattern with those speakers. Sounds incredible.
@@CrazyLeyther yea that's my set up too. I have a old carvin legacy cab with 2 v30s and 2 g12 t 75s. I did have a couple other v30s laying around and stuck those in the cab so it was all v30. Yea thst didn't last long. Ran that with my evh el34 50watt and my Marshall dsl. I put the g12 t75s back in after 30 min.
I agree, but I do all my demos on the same speaker so they can be used as a reference.
I had one of these for a couple of years…I just never could gel with it..Way too much gain and way too compressed to me….I get why people like them,but I thought the JS version was better…actually,the 30th anniversary 6100 from 1992 is a better choice in my opinion…
You need to push volume up then magic starts. Thanks to master volume you won't kill neighbours, but still got cranked marshall amp
@@Gearslayer131 yeah thats right but I got this amp (215 c combo). It's sounds much better when volume is over the 5-6. You can still got master volume (which work in this amp like attenuator imo) on 1-2, but volume of each channel should be cranked if you wanna nicer tones.
bro to break the crunch channel you need to push more the Volume of the channel to can ear the break up distortion!
marshalls are THE BEST metal amp to me, all the way back to the jmp era
BROTHER! 😂😂😂