Does This Amp DESERVE the JCM 800 Namesake? | Marshall JCM 800 2210 2 Channel Tube Amp
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Would love to hear you put a JCM 800 Kerry King model through its paces!
Always amuses me when people get snotty about later model Marshalls because "ew diodes", when the same people probably idolise stuff like Jose modded plexis... Which, you know. Added diodes.
I never understood why the 2210 JCM 800 and JCM 900s are outcasts and hated and the silver jubilee is a holy grail amp that's praised for it's tone but also has diode clipping in the circuit.
@@mickhudson I think what's special about the Jubilee is the input gain/trim. I think it should be on all Marshalls
What's diodes
@@Jay-sy5yf referring to solid state components for distortion.
@@mickhudson the worst part is people saying "ew diodes" and then put a tube screamer in front of the amp. What's tube screamer made of? Opamps and diodes.
That Marshall and Mesa cab is a killer combo! Especially loved the voicing when you engaged the SD-1 so good 🔥🤘🏼
I've tried so many boutique overdrive pedals and the stock boss SD-1 used a boost feels the most "fun" to play. Keeps the growls and the midrange.
True to me, did you made C6 mod on sd-1?
SD-1 rocks
You can easily mod that pedal with a kit. Desolder a few parts and solder in a few better parts in their place. Cheap improvement to a good pedal.
Yeah, the asymmetric circuit helps with that. While still a Tube Screamer basically, the clipping change gives the SD-1 its distinct sonic tone. I do find it better for metal tones, but a standard TS works just as well, especially if the Tone knob is pushed at 2 o clock or higher.
This is absolutely one of the best videos you have ever done! There are funny parts, sad parts and a great demo of the amp! This is exactly how I would test and tweak it! Keep up the great videos!
This was my first Marshall .I bought it new in 87 and loved it
Definitely enjoyed this.
The ending was the bomb. It really shine through. Did not expect this amp with the extra knobs today o be any good. But was surprised.
I’m a longtime “Marshall” man & owned a 2210 in the late 80’s.
When it worked it sounded great. I had blown fuses, tubes and OT on the one I owned. It got so bad that I traded it in for a rack system to use with my awesome JMP 1987. Once I went back to the 1987 I never looked back.
I guess I just got a lemon, but again when my 2210 was working it was a fantastic sounding head.
Hah a little bit of irony. I traded a rack system to get my 2210...lol. I don't regret owning the 2210. It has been a great warrior for me but, I only traded the rack gear I had because of a ground loop problem that would randomly cause a loud pop followed by a hum that lasted for minutes and was never able to get it sorted but I sure wish I still had that too as one of the components was a MESA Quad Preamp that sounded awesome and I had only paid $400.00 for in pristine condition and now they go for between $900.00 to $1200.00 depending on condition and functionality. Oh well I got the 2210 and a 50watt Artist model that sounded great but got sold when I needed some cash. I don't see myself ever letting my 2210 go though. I've never had to do anything more than replace tubes and that was out of choice.
I just found your channel and I wanted to just say I just love how knowledgeable rants are probably my favorite part of your channel. Also I would love to hear your through some active pick ups. Black outs ,Fishmen, etc
Great video Kyle. Thanks for the demo of this classic amp. Stay well bro!
dude I've never been into the 2210 or 2205 but this one sounds incredible. Very nice work my friend.
You made this version of the amp sound 1000% better than the 2203 for metal. The tones here kick ass. It did get tubby with max gain and no boost, but once you dialed the gain back and added a boost, it sounded great! Dopesauce.
This is my favorite amp and I was lucky enough to find a next to new 1990 model that had spent 30 years in storage overseas. It's practically brand new, I just had to change the ht fuses to USA spec. It's not a high gain amp, and imo needs a boost. I use a bb exotic or boss ds1. To me it has the perfect classic Marshall sound. I have a three other Marshall amps that i love but this one is my favorite. It sounds so big. Thanks for the reviews enjoy the playing
I’m running an MXR 10 band EQ in the effects loop with Peppers Dirty Tree boost in the preamp in my ’89 2210. Sounds massive. Thanks for the video.
Along came a dog, and he make a poopy, so now it dirty tree and a turd.
When can I start?
Really cool. Thanks. The way I got mine to roar back in the late 80’s was with a BOSS PQ4 in the loop. Try it. 😊
Before your channel I was already using the MXR M77. And you've been spot on how to use it with anything. Keep going. I'm still waiting for a Carvin Legacy video . I'd love to see your take on the Carvin Vl100.
Also an mts3200!
Pretty much how I setup my 2203x besides my presence. I leave the treble and presence around 2-3. Sounded rad bro. Made me smile to listen to the progress, until, yup there it is 😮
I almost bought a JCM809 back in the 90s. I got talked out of it and into a Randall RG half stack just like Dime had. I have learned over the years that all amps in the 100w head need a lot of help from pedals, etc. I think you made it sound like I wish I would have bought one when I could. Lol! I'm quite content with my Orange Super Crush head. All it needs is an EQ pedal in the FX loop to make it sound killer. I got what I need and it's what I have always wanted. I guess my lack of ever owning a tube head lead me to my Orange. Kyle, good job on this vid
I have a 50 watt version of this amp but a 1. 12 combo, made in 1981, they were some of the first 800s made along with the single channel ones.
I found somewhere that you need to put boost channel volume around 10 to make it sound good. It works! Proud owner of 2210 :p
My first tube amp! Still gets alot of play time.
You are right about the mids above 6... But... I set it at about 7, and with an eq in the loop, boost some lows and cut some 800Hz. That vocal mids works great for leads with this setting. I love the growl on this thing. And yes... It's not really a percussive amp. Glad you liked it ☺️
I’ve had good luck diming the channel volume, setting the gain to taste and then controlling the overall volume with the master section. Also turn all clean channel pots to zero as it can bleed into the gain channel. Boost or no boost it can rule.
I guess the bleed is like the Mark series cascading gain in a way but not nearly as useful.
I loved my Marshall but actually got rid of it because of the “bleed problem.” It sounded like the clean did bleed into my dirty channel. You made me LOL when you welcomed the extreme Marshall people! Haha 😆🤘
I love my 85 2210
Its sounds amazing and better than any 2203 I’ve ever played.
Its the reason I bought it
I think this is one of my favourite tones you've gotten, with the MXR at the end. I like how old Marshalls sound a bit murky and crusty used this way - I prefer it to a lush modern tone.
Roast!!! Lol I was laughing my ass of in your beginning dialog, too funny. Great video man, keep it up.
The jcm 900 dual reverb was my favorite Marshall head. I bought the first slash Marshall in 98 and my recording engineer made me return it,p. He also made me return the first 5150 and finally went with the 900. He was so right.
That's the amp I had been chasing for years and I finally got one a couple of months ago, to me it's about cranking the mids, that 'vocally' sound that was kind of weird for you is exactly what I love and the first thing I do any time I get to play any Marshall is turning that knob all the way up, the 2210 sounds killer to me, a Les Paul and a TS9 in front, gain at 6/7, mids at max, bass before noon, and treble/presence at taste.
There's no point in comparing it to a 5150 or a Dual Rectifier, is not what this amp is supposed to be, is not the style this amp is for, JCM800s are not high gain amps (compared to the modern day beasts out there). I think that this amp is really good for Hard Rock, Glam and Heavy Metal, there it shines.
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Diggin' it 😎🤘✨ ( I have the 4210) hard to get full on metal but you can get some pretty gnarly tones - I push up the gain about almost to 9:00 on the sd-1 but roll back the output of the sd-1 to about 1:00 or 2:00 which tightens it up a good bit. I also keep the gain on the amp at about 8 which seems to keep it fairly tight. Liked how that mxr sounded on there - I'm going to have to try that. Thanks for the video ( I thought it sounded pretty killer)
I had this amp in the past, linked to a 4*12 Hughes n kettner cab with v30. It was so huge with his master volume. Great amp.I sold it and i regret so much
I review pedals and when a pedal claims to be an Amp-in-a-Box of a particular make/model I listen to your demo of the real amp to find out. Small things like using an SM57 make a big difference to your demo giving me an the best idea ...short of being in the room with you. I know my amp history and I have reliable tech friends to give me a heads up on important issues. After the JCM 800 the next very, very, very important amp is the Soldano SLO 100. The reason is because everything after it designers could and did jump past all the Marshalls and use it as the new 'blue print' to 'start' from. In short the Dual Rec and 5150 literally on paper started there. After that it is all about voicing the mids that gives an amp an identifiable voice of it's own.
Yes I did digress. Your review of the JCM800 was excellent from mentioning the diodes to the soft attack that has always been part of the Marshall sound. not a problem unless your music relies on a lot of 'chugging', LOL.
I bought my first Marshall in 1971 ...a new 50 watt Plexi at the Selmer store in London UK. It's a long story but it was Ron Wood who in effect got me a really cheap price. I am on my 3rd one now and I expect at 75 it will see me out.
have you ever considered using an eq pedal in your videos like the mxr 10 band eq? ive noticed a lot of times there will be like really specific frequencies you say are annoying or missing with amps, i think it could be a really cool segment like towards the end of your videos where you use an eq pedal and try to really dial in the nitty gritty specifics of an amp and see if you can make it sound even better than the original eq controls allow. just a thought! love the vids 🤘🤘🤘
My GOD that sounds good.... a friend of mine had his amp quit at a show, he borrowed a JCM 800 (not sure which), and they truly, never sounded better.
This amp, and the JCM900, non-SLXs, have one key circuit design concept that hold them back from what a 2203 can do. When an amp has an opamp buffered FX loop, it limits the max voltage swing that hits the phase invertor by a large margin. So that Plexi-style, cranked overdrive from the power amp kind of gets nerfed down. They are preamp-voiced amps. And they can sound good when dialed in. They just can't roar or breath in quite the same way as, say a 2203.
Those were tasty riffs you were playing in the beginning.
I think the volume is part of the gain structure (post preamp - pre master) so you really can't the get the best sound without going somewhat loud. FWIW
Had a 2205 for a bit. The EQ is different if I recall correctly in the earliest runs of these, then they changed the placement of the EQ in the circuit and it behaves a bit differently (more flexible but also some bad tones possible iirc). They also had more channel bleed in the earliest years, which i think was fixed by 1988 or so. I really enjoyed the amp but ultimately didnt keep it because it wasnt what I wanted at the time. It behaves quite differently from other more vintage Marshall circuits, and I wasnt quite ready for that.
Bought mine for $600 many years ago…I wish I still had it but for me it had one great sound and not much else but that great sound was a hell of a lot of fun.
I own the same amp, sounds killer boosted, The noise you hear when you turn the gain up is the sound of the clipping diodes being added to the circuit, It is also the reason it brightens up, as you suggested. I modded mine with a post FX loop master volume and depth control so I can use it as a power amp for other pre-amps.
I like this rawness in JCM 800.This one with proper boost can replace any high gain amp in my opinion.
Yo Kyle! So tip with this amp. Dime the channel volume, it gets WAY gainier, the EQ also becomes extremely active, I think the difference in doing that, will shock you.
Nice vid! You really got some great tones out of the 2210. I have a 1989 2210 and I'm one of those people who have a love-hate relationship with it. I've tried a few different Celestion speaker models with it and have settled on the G12-65's being the best ones (for me) with it. Sometimes it sounds pretty good, but other times it sounds like crap with the flubby bass and muted highs that you've described. Also that weirdness with the midrange happens with mine too when you get over "7"-ish. I have 2 other Marshall amps that I think are way better and always sound great (to me). One is a 1972 1959 Super Lead which I play thru a 1960BX cab and the other is a 1984 JCM800 4104 50w 2x12 combo. Granted, those are undisputedly great amps to be comparing it too...but still. I find them a lot easier to play thru and they get the tone and response that I'm used to. I'm going to try some of the dialing-in tips you've suggested and see what happens. I may just end up selling it and with the way prices are now, I could probably nearly double what I paid for it 6 or 7 years ago.
I loved my 2210, it is like a more metal version of a 2203 for less money and fx loop, 2 ch and DI output. Mine was an '87. The earlier versions were not good. Get an 87 or later
I played through one a little while back - thought it sounded FANTASTIC. Having said that - I would never give up my Helios 100 for one.
Don't blame ya
Great demo! I owned a 2205, 2210, 2204. They all have way too little gain, even for "dad rock", without pedal help! The SL-X is a little better, but, to me, the JVM series nails the high gain Marshall tones! Also, the basic tone "foundation" of the 2203 is more solid without the added channel swithching and diodes of the 2210. So if you are going to add a pedal or two, the 2203 gives you a better building block.
Think I'm gonna stick wirh my JVM 410H. It seems like it covers every base needed for gain and tone with days of left over gain to go without having to use any pedals.I play a little bit of everything so great versitile amp. Although the reverb on the Marshall's leave a bit to be desired for my taste (personal preference) so a good reverb pedal in the loop just spices things up even better. The JCM is still a great amp.....not bad mouthing it at all!
Helpful tip with this amp Kyle: Dime the Boost channel volume and use the Master Volume to adjust overall volume. Use gain knob to taste. This is the way the manual says to use it for maximum gain. Diming that boost channel volume really opens up the amp. You'll have to dial out the presence and treble because it'll have that distinct JCM800 brightness. Another great video Kyle! Let me know if you try those settings!
No doubt. Everything in the boost channel pegged!!! I’ve had this head since 1989. Never needed to boost for more gain.
Great review!!!
@@cbraham Diming?
@@Popskull_666 setting all the way to 10
But this one goes to 11 😂
I have a Marshall JCM800 4010 combo, now I swapped out the Celeston speaker in favor of the Eminence DV-77 . It helps get rid of the harsh Brite top end that rip your ears to shreds. It's a 1989 model, so I did notice the thing with the mids, however I wouldn't say it sounds " weird " more like they actually work lol. I run the mids at 1 O'clock. I run so many different drive pedals in front of it, I love the 40th anniversary SD1 pedal in front of it and the EVH 5150 overdrive, and the Ibanez Nu-tube screamer sound great in front of the Marshall JCM800 series amps. Just my preference obviously, but works for me lol
I've got the 4010, but early 80s, vertical inputs. Doesn't sound at all harsh, must be the 65 speaker. Straight into the amp, it sounds much better than this 2210. They both need a tube screamer to get the Anthrax thrash tone
Awesome tone!
I have a Marshall running into Vintage 30s and sounds fantastic… better than anything I played at guitar center last weekend. Professional recording sound with a cheap sennheiser microphone. Curious what wattage speaker Kyle is using in the cabinet as I’ve only seen 60 watt V30s. Great playing, love the White Zombie riff.
The Holy Grail JCM's are the early 80's. 80-82 i believe. The vertical input models. Yet at the same time, I have heard plenty of bands using the non Holy Grail models and getting killer tones so......
Vertical inputs into 84
@@lowqualityguitarvideos '85 was the last year for vertical inputs and the infamous design changes in the filter capacitors. Only the 2203 changed, the 2204 remained unchanged even after the post-'85 PCB mounted horizontal jacks 👍
I play thrash and I will never give up my 1987 2210, the best amp I've ever heard ❤🤘
So this is what Ola Englund used for his In The Room video. I wondered why that JCM 800 of his had so many knobs and so much gain out of the box! This does classic Marshall and thrash really well! I definitely disagree with the masses on the diode clipping sounding horrible even though I love the classic JCM sound.
Kyle, exactly the effect playing one for the first time.. the puzzled look on your face.. then you remember to dial it in for max gain without tubbiness.. some power tube sizzle to open the sound up.. then hit an SD-1.. heaven.. like no others.. have you tried the Blueguitar AMP1 Iridium classic channel with boost?? watch Euge Valovirta for his comparison to his "Bad Boy JCM 800".. unreal what they have done.. and that M77 is the bomb.. WOW.. I did a double take when you hit that on.. Hey, can you focus a bit on your OD setting as well.. was the SD classic set on all level and little drive like typical. .and how about the M77? Active pups also add some real sizzle to these JCM 800 as well.. I wear DEPENDS to handle any of the cleanup
My dad had one back in the 80s with a 4x12 he got off a buddie for 800$ CAD. He put it in pawn for storage in Ontatrio when he was in the states and moving out to BC, he was in Flordia or Chicago when the ticket expired and she got sold. He still regrets it. Hearing "JCM 800" upsets him today.
So freaking awesome, Kyle!!!
JCM800 + SD-1 is the way to go. MESA cab is good. Might try a darker sounding cab. I hear these amps also sound good with Greenback or Creamback speakers.
I remember A/B testing the new 20 watt version of this vs the DSL20, and I was floored by how agressive this thing sounds.
It had such low amounts of gain, making palm muting really difficult, but man just playing power chords, it would growl and snarl like a wild beast.
The DSL had way more gain, but it was more subdued somehow.
Kinda round and controlled in comparison. Still a great amp though.
The 20w jcm800 is a smaller version of the single channel 2203/2204’s :)
One of the good ole flagship Marshalls
Love the tones you get. Do you always dial in an amp sitting so close? Do you find that you have to make any adjustments for live use, due to the proximity effect? Thanks!
Very informative.. thanks mate..👌
I only have a helix so I’m just here for the riffs 🤘🏽
Sounded great with the SD-1, better when you rolled the gain down a bit.
One of the best metal tones I've heard was a Fender strat with a maple neck and a single EMG 81 into a Marshall 2210 boosted with a Boss DS-2 in Turbo mode.
Let me guess: Cryptopsy?
@@phantom24323 no my friends band. But Cryptopsy did use jcm800's with metal zones.. So did Dissection.
@@timbuk1126 gotcha. Jon Levassuer used a Strat with an EMG 81, so wasn’t sure if you were talking about Cryptopsy. Thanks for the clarification though!
Marshall and Mesa Mark series is the best ever!!
2204s into a 412 with g12-65s pushed with an MXR D+ is perfection. It just has a grunt that works for sludge and hardcore. It's not a high gain amp, but it interacts with boosts and drives so well that it doesn't really matter honestly.
Hey its my amp! I have the mesa straight cab with mine.
This amp, well the 50w version of it (2205) was supposed to be Michael Schenker's signature amp. He apparently had some input on the design, but the deal fell through apparently. The 2205 is still his amp of choice though, so if one wants to get a MSG type sound, the 2210/2205 is definitely it.
He was using two during his Hellfest Festival set back in June... sounded killer 👍
@@scottdunn2178 I would imagine! He sounds great these days indeed!
@@Nghilifa Search; *Michael Schenker Hellfest* they do about a 50 minute set 👍
Kyle , you did that 2210 justice..
I've used the Seymour Duncan distortion pickup it's too muddy though.
change the pickup and you'll get a lot more and better sound out of the amp..
Something that is JCM800 like is the Bogner Ecstasy Synergy Module but with more low end and gain. Would be cool if you found one to demo
JCM800 with a 250 in front is my personal favorite "heavy" tone.
That’s a JCM 800 in my book. I know people prefer the two input single channel versions . Yeah I’m the 90s those two channel 800s could be had for 500 or less. I remember seeing 50 watt single channel 2x12 combos for around 400 of course shipping would’ve gotten the price on up there but still cheap by today’s standards. I think the mythical legendary status of the 800 series has led to the unobtanium like prices of the reissues they are just too expensive for a Marshall that they’ve been building for 40 plus years now ? The SC20 was a good amp for the money before the latest price increase but in my opinion you should nearly be able to buy a 50 jcm800 reissue for what Marshall is asking for the studio 20s now. I’m sorry but the new JCM reissues are ridiculous expensive. Come 3550 for a JCM 800 is ludicrous to me. The 800 is an incredible amp but for 3500 you could have a much more versatile amp, hell two more versatile amps and probably a couple decent used cabs . I’d be interested in a Vietnamese built 800 since the quality of the Vietnamese Marshalls seems to be improved to the point of being as reliable as any other mass produced amp in a far eastern factory.
I remember when the rectum fryer was all the rage and you couldn't give away a 2203
this is the mastodon (bill kelliher ) amp for the first albuns ... i love it ... it can get very sludgy
I love my 2210!
With a bit of work You made it sound great. Not modern metal sound great but atill usable for hardcore, rock stuff.
JCM 800 sounds amazing with OCD pedal in-front. Nice tones though.
Love these amps. Very thrashy.
Had one of these when I got out of high-school. Unfortunately I didn't know how to dial it in properly and didn't know about boosting lol this was way before the internet. Serious regrets 😭
Kyle, we gotta try the Kerry King 800 bro
Kyle demoing Marshalls is one of my favorite things, always getting killer tones.
I find with the dirty channel on the 2210 you really need to have the channel volume dimed. My 2210 with channel volume on 10 sounds so alive vs even set to 7 or 8
7:23 that was super sick
I think I see you have a sd1 waza? what's the difference from the original? Secondly, have tried the strymon sunset overdrive? For me it's been really cool to try, and mix together different overdrive Circuits in one pedal. Great demo, I never got to try a overdrive infront. the owner was offended i brought my own overdrive to try before i buy. he refused to sell me the amp. the only Marshall I ever owned was a TSL and i loved it. that was probably15 years ago, but I do love the little 25 watt EL34 Marshall.
Love how the Marshall logo kinda droops at the all … like it melts at the end or something 🤔😂
Nigel the logo guy was constantly drunk, apparently
Back in the day we would just boost the shit out of the front end with an EQ into an SD-1, etc. 🤟🎸
Maybe I missed it but what year is this amp? Earlier 2205/2210's from 1982-mid 1985 have a completely different circuit than later models, even though they look the same. Later 1985-1989 circuits may as well be a completely different amp - I've had an '82, 85, and 86 all side by side. I couldn't sell the '82 fast enough, I hated it, channel bleed issues as well as lower gain and fizzier sounding without the punch. My 85 and 86 I still have - and even those sound quite different from each other, the 85 is much brighter (and also 50w compared to the other two which were 100w). I like them both a lot for different tones.
You can also tell which circuit you have by removing the V2 tube. If the boost channel stays exactly the same, it's the later circuit. I wish I still had the earlier circuit to do a comparison video because they are really quite different amps - similar to the way that Model 2100/2500 JCM900's are completely different if they are Mk III or SLX models.
Ew diodes but guitarists proceed to add boost pedals in front of their amps lol.
I enjoy mine with the presence all the way up, treble back a little, and like channel volume around 6-7. I had mine recapped with sozo caps and the channel bleed went away. Added the gain mod for it and it helps a little bit but it didn’t really need much help anyhow. Smoothest Marshall I’ve played while retaining the vocal mids. No American bottom end to it and I honestly think it makes for a better recorded tone with less need to clean up the low end in a mix.
Will you please for future reference tell us whether a particular Marshall is running either EL34's or 6550's... this is important 👍
Love the amp true classic chugging machine.🤘🤘
I would really like you to demo a Mesa/Boogie Triple Crown 100. I liked your demo so much on the Splawn Supersport, that I put one on order a couple of months ago (still waiting on production).
I’ve got a 2205 head that I absolutely love! I regret selling a JMP 2203 - still keeping my eye out for an 800 2203 to add to the collection. Such cool amps! Thanks for this video! It’s hard to find info about the 2205 and 2210
@benjamindonald230 OMG! I bet this isn’t a scam at all
Could always use annother mic for dem lower frequencies or a depth mod.
Please reviewa classic original Marshall DSL 2000, if you haven't already. Love those amps..
Put a TS in front of a cranked Vox amp and it will sound tighter than a Marshall on high gain
I think this is a great amp!
I've always wanted to try out a JCM800 for more downtuned riffs. I've heard people use JCM800's in relatively low tunings like B or A# and it sounded really good. The closest i've ever gotten to a JCM800 esque tone is with my Randall RG80 combo that i use with a Zoom G1XON (i'm using two effects specifically; the Exciter, and then an Optical Compressor) in the FX Loop.
You'd like a Marshall running on 6550's/KT88's better probably, EL34's don't like down-tuned guitars.
I like the dsl100 for low tuning stuff
Suffered from? It's supposed to channel bleed over 7. Somewhat like patching a Plexi.
i own a 2203 red tolex special edition. Payed like 500€ in 2010 or sth. Now its at least 1500€ up. Its the loudest most unforgiving amp i‘ve ever played. Its so sensitive and direct.
This amp is cool, but I much prefer the design of the 900 2100 miii . It has the second volume and also the diode on it's own control.
That amp sound great dude ill trade it for my modded jcm 2000 any day