How much Neon Genesis Evangelion is in Metal Gear Solid?
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In MGS5, Psycho Mantis' name is Tretij Rebenok, which translates to "The Third Child" and only children are able to pilot the Sahelantropus due to the size of the cockpit.
This is more convincing than his entire video tbh
@@TheWeis lol right?
Can't believe I never realized this. Sahelanthropus is literally an EVA. I must have had a stroke. Maybe I'm completely numb to mechas after all this time
@@LAK_770 I get where people are coming from but Sahelanthropus is nothing like an EVA. The Evangelions are giant artificial humans organically cloned from a literal space god encased in a large suit of armor. They need children to pilot them because the souls of the children's mothers (basically) are embedded into the Evas, allowing them to synchronize with their blood-related pilots.
Sahelanthropus is just a complex mech. Not even remotely similar if you know the lore of both stories.
@@LAK_770 (Eva spoilers) I get where people are coming from but Sahelanthropus is functionally nothing like an Evangelion. They aren't even mechs, they are artificial humans cloned from god wearing a giant suit of armor. The reason the pilots must be children is because the souls of the childrens' parents (sort of) are embedded within the Eva. It doesn't go much further than reference, because every piece of Japanese media post 1995 is either inspired by or references Evangelion in some way.
This should've been a 12 and a half minute video about how the high frequency blade was inspired by the progressive knife
BROOO!
Okay, but... yes.
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Also why Meryl wields the only Desert Eagle in all of Alaska, when Eva Unit-01 has an EVA sized desert eagle. Or even, MGS3 when it's Codename: ADAM and "EVA" instead of ADAM and "EVE"
@@p3nguin0 It is probably because Eva - is how russians say Eve, but maybe also you are right.
@@p3nguin0 That might just be because Eva is the way the name is pronounced in Russian (and Latin and Greek etc. etc.)
Oh, now that is something interesting.
Is this the most George topic of all time?
Finally.
We have reached peak Bunnyhop
NGE = MGS
MGS2 = EOE
MGS3 = Kare Kano & Shiki Jitsu
MGS4 = The Rebuilds
If y'all haven't seen Shiki Jitsu you gotta check it out
I really think so...
@@deanonfire7503 time to unsubscribe
Both Evangelion and MGS both make me feel like shit by the end so I guess that’s a similarity
Ah, well i've always found Eva quite positive
Salokin evangelion is all about loneliness and obsession except for the first like 5 minutes
@@MacMan2152 Its also about self fulfillment and self acceptance
@@MacMan2152 and, you know... the ending
Weird, I never felt like shit at the end of MGS. It was inspiring for me.
I love how this channel covers both various topics in the game industry while also being obsessed with MGS. Keep it up, George!
You thought I was a deep philosophical deconstruction of war culture
BUT IT WAS I
EVAGELION ALL ALONG
Bishop Gale which is a deep phsychological deconstruction of war!
Don’t do war kids.
It really fucks everything over.
A jojo reference referencing another popular anime. Anime reference ception
Padishah
OH MY GOOOOOOD
Soooo Evangelion is the Dio of Mech Games?
YOU FEEL FOR IT, FOOL! THUNDER CROSS SPLIT ATTACK
George, please keep finding excuses to talk about MGS2. Thank you.
agreed
Glennjamin Glutton agreed
SBH, would love to hear you talk more about Evangelion's impact (no pun intended) on japanese culture in general, the intro segment on it was extremely interesting
i wan't to suggest the Evangelion Illustrations 2007-2017 (Neon Genesis Evangelion), all the marketed merch are there.
Go listen to the most recent Dad and Sons, I found Liam's perspective on Eva really interesting as a westerner living and working in Japan, and George draws a lot from Liam's experiences in the opening of this video
Not being familiar with the Dad and Sons podcast, I got thrown for a loop when I saw the names Matt and Liam in there and confused them with the Best Friends.
@@TheToastieCakes thanks for the rec I'll check it out
Digibro has a great video on how it influences anime called "How Evangelion altered anime eternally". This video is sort of the TLDR of that one, but with videogames on top.
When i was is japan i saw, no joke, evangelion branded traffic cones
There are also:
Evangelion Canned Bread
Water bottles shaped like Rei and Asuka's torsos
NERV buckets (both large and small)
NERV choco cookies, with stickers
And Rei plastered on every single pachinko parlour
Wait canned bread is an actual thing
George, you're spoiling us with two videos in one month.
hahahaha
"Sir! We've crossed the SEO optimization threshhold by using Neon Genesis Evangelion!"
"Good. Now... add Metal Gear to it."
"You're a madman!!"
LMAO
Gendo knows best
If it breaks, Nerv will pay for it.
Using nano machines
Kojima admitted somewhere on Twitter I think that Miller in MGS was based on Coach from Gunbuster. The sunglasses make it obvious.
A cool guy in a business suit and sunglasses is an archetype, it doesn't count as a direct influence since every action movie have this kind of a character
Miller in METAL GEAR SOLID: PEACE WALKER reminds me of Quattro Bajeena from MOBILE SUIT ZETA GUNDAM.
Artistically he's obviously Graham Bonnet from Alcatrazz/Rainbow fame. Look at pictures and you'll see it lol
"It's like one of my Japanese animes!"
Imagine if someone got Otacon's VA to narrate this video
I still can't believe that Kojima predicted the world of 2019 all the way back in 2001 with MGS2'S ending.
@Simon Letztnahm That the internet would produce so much information that it would become impossible to filter out what is fact or not. That people will use any info they can to validate their views, going so far as to only express themselves to others that think the same. That with all this "junk Data" everyone is validated, but no one is correct.
We see this more and more with the current political climate and debates over ideas such as climate change, citizen rights, or discrimination. With the internet at our fingertips all the time, we can validate ourselves without conducting in discussion of other's opinions, which could possibly cause a halt in social progression. We can't weed out what to pass or not pass on to future generations if everything is neither fact or fake.
@Simon Letztnahm
*Colonel:* The digital society furthers human flaws and selectively rewards
development of convenient half-truths.
Just look at the strange juxtapositions of morality around you.
*Rose:* Billions spent on new weapons in order to humanely murder other humans.
*Colonel:* Rights of criminals are given more respect than the privacy of their victims.
*Rose:* Although there are people suffering in poverty, huge donations are made to protect endangered species.
Everyone grows up being told the same thing.
*Colonel:* Be nice to other people.
*Rose:* But beat out the competition!
You should look up the speech at the end if you haven't heard it yet. It's astounding.
It is not prediction, it is just careful look at what is already there.
@@Dimovuha222 That's how you make a prediction
@@magoverce He or his writers just noticed something that you did not
The more Metal Gear you play/watch and the more media you consume the more you realise how much Kojima "borrowed" or was "inspired" from other stories and series.
The Akira elevator is one I noticed.
Endless chains of inspirations everywhere honestly
Pastiche
@@Dimovuha222
For sure, but it's still cool to see direct "inspiration" or homages to the originals.
Bear in mind that these games are not made entirely by Kojima alone, and that he himself rarely talks about being inspired by anything as specific as “the elevator scene”
@@lankey6969 ''Borrowing'' and ''being inspired by'' happends more than people think. And i even think that creators of fictional art ''borrows'' ideas from other pieces of art whitout even realizing. The ''akira elevator'' for instance, is a cool looking sci-fi elevator that have been used several times in fictional art and i think that some creators haven't even seen akira, or know what it is. Another example would be LOTR. Take almost any fantasy themed art, and you will find connections to LOTR even if the creators did not have LOTR in mind when making it. FPS games used to being called ''DOOM clones'' untill the younger generation grew up playing CoD whitout even knowing what DOOM is. Other examples of this is how EVERY game nowdays seems to be ''dark souls like''. With MGS i think that the similarities to other pieces of art made it ways into the game by: 1Kojima being inspired, 2 some other devs being inspired and adding references/similarities and 3 Kojima and the devs accidentaly ''borrowd'' ideas whitout even realizing it. If you made it through my unecessary long comment, good job, and thank you for your time. :)
MGS2 is just the Eva finale, and MGS4 is just End of Eva, HOW DID I NOT MAKE THAT CONNECTION IMMEDIATELY!
I must have missed the part in MGS4 where everyone got Tang'ed...
So MG3... Is just Kojima saying "Hey wanna watch some Getter Robo?"
End of Eva is good though
Has... has George not watched Gundam? Because this whole video leads me to believe that he's never watched Gundam.
All these similarities are because they're both VERY MUCH inspired by 1979's Mobile Suit Gundam (and its sequel series). The condemnation of war, the prospect of reaching a new stage of humanity, the dangers of nationalism and militarism, the bad dads, the protagonist wanting not to have to pilot the giant robot, it's all already there in MSG. Hell, both Metal Gear and Gundam are even full of implied hot guy-on-guy action.
I’ve never seen Gundam, but I’ve read that Evangelion was supposed to be a deconstruction of the tropes of mecha animes like Gundam in particular (e.g. instead of the typical young protagonist being an eager pilot of a giant mech, Evangelion’s protagonist hates being one because of the psychological trauma it entails.) I think that deconstructionist aspect kind of justifies the comparison between Evangelion and MGS2, whereas Gundam’s status as the originator of said tropes places it more along the lines of MGS1.
@@ferghalicious1480 nah Amuro from og Gundam suffered from the same mental crises as Shinji. Eva is arguably a deconstruction of the mecha anime, but that example ain't it.
Snake....*smooch*
I've seen 079 Gundam and Evangelion, and I have to say that when I reached the end of mgs2 I was convinced it was inspired more by EVA then Gundam.
Honestly, Zone of the enders took WAY more for the original Gundam/Zeta gundam. Hell the first game's Plot takes almost a plagiarist amount of plots from 0079.
Evangelion also takes a lot from series like Space Battleship Yamato, Space runaway Ideon and even Ultraman. Not just with the giant robot tones but with the tech of the science group along with side character dynamics.
I just think western fans are more often than not to point to anime like Evangelion due to its popularity in the west but the anime/japanese shows I listed above most likely had an influence aswell
A lot of the discourse around the meta of Evangelion is mired by production myths and willful ignorance of any anime produced before the mid-90s unfortunately.
And yea ZOE1 is shocking similar to Gundams opening episodes. But Anubis is orange instead of red so its totally different. He ain't no red comet.
@@Tamacat388 Feel the same here but whatever.I just think there is a lot of interesting topics to discuss that just get glossed over
@@CoolGuy-mf9px Yea I wasnt trying to disagree or anything.
I can hear you *physically fusing* with the MGS abstract entity every time you talk about it. Your love and passion for the franchise is palpable.
What?
1) Most subversion from Evangelion was inspired from a combination of '79 Mobile Suit Gundam or Space Runaway Ideon. Evangelion just went a little further. Keep in mind that Gundam was the Star Wars of Japan first, and had been that for fifteen years. Series director Yoshiyuki Tomino had tackled most of the psychological and psychosexual angles Eva hits by this point, Eva just did it in a more stylish, recent, succinct way.
2) Evangelion's ending is *heavily* inspired by Ideon's Be Invoked finale movie, as Anno himself has acknowledged. The Invocation of the Ide and Instrumentality are mostly identical, tackle the same basic concept, and both use Judeo-Christian iconography .
3) I don't exactly see the connection between NGE's endings and MGS2's. They both cut to live footage, they're both not subtle. I feel like that's just a design trend of the era in general
4) The idea that NGE was abnormally bleak for a mecha show is true, but it's not ridiculously uncommon. The entire Real Robot subgenre of mecha is almost always couched in a anti-war sentiment of war drama. Kid pilots were normal, depressed pilots were common, the big evil government making a bad situation worse for their own benefit was normal. The main departure of Eva was that it wasn't merch-oriented for funding, so they had the freedom to have more episodes without a big robot fight. Keyword "more". Having episodes of non-violent character development was very heard of.
My point: I don't see much NGE in MGS. In MGS1 I see none. In MGS2, I can see the mechanical design argument. 3? 4? I don't see any. Really, I don't see much inspiration from the Mecha genre in Metal Gear at all. I've always felt like Metal Gear itself almost felt unrelated to its franchise, a weird quirk to what was otherwise a game about being a conspiracy-themed action movie. ZOE? Absolutely, it wears it on its sleeve.
If anything a lot of MGS2s post modern and subversive nature was inspired more by the surreal postmodern japanese literature of the time. Kojima himself pointing out Kobo Abes Kangaroo Notebook in an interview with Tim Rogers. This entire video is a huge stretch really.
I get that for a lot of people Evangelion is the first time they encounter subversive, dramatic, psychological elements in anime but i also wish they had enough self-awareness that their entry point isn't also the beginning of history
My thoughts exactly. Gundam deserved way more than a passing mention in this video. But then again, I'm biased...
As I haven't watched much mecha myself, thanks for taking the time to confirm my gnawing suspicion that this video was just bunnyhop bending over backwards like a chinese child gymnast.
I hear this a lot online and I understand why people say it but I think people overstate the case way too much. You would think that Eva didn't do anything new at all and didn't influence anyone. Gundam was REALLY clever & had a meaningful critical engagement w/ older anime, culture, etc., and its probably true that lots of people who talk about Eva that way dont realize that. But to say that Gundam said it all before is crazy - the two shows are saying *very* different things. Its also significant that Eva incorporated elements of avant-garde cinema & literature *and made it mainstream* in a way that would influence japanese media a lot in the next ten years, which is definitely relevant to Metal Gear in a way that isn't true of Gundam etc. I just think that even if people online have overstated its influence, its still worth talking about its actual influence.
Zone of the Enders is still waaaay more Gundam than Eva, tho.
The first game's story is almost an exact copy of the original gundam.
Gundam's influence is always massively underrated in the west, primarily due to how botched the initial introduction of the franchise to the Americas was in the late 90s. Half the stuff people praise EVA for was stuff Gundam already did a decade earlier.
I was thinking the same thing. While in the west "get in the robot" is associated with Eva, the concept of a teenage pilot who never wanted to be one has been around much longer. Anno has worked on Gundam in the past and this lineage is clear in Japan, but the timeliness of Eva during the anime boom in the west as well as Sunrise's terrible job localizing Gundam in that time has left the long-term misconception that Eva deconstructed mecha as it existed rather than using it as a framework for Anno's characters and message.
@SpyengoEen He means Zone of the Enders 1
Devixicus anno has never worked on Gundam though
Yeah all this stuff you guys mentioned bothers me a lot too. Anno was a huge Gundam, Ultraman and Jerry Anderson fan and so much more old scifi and too much more I cant list. He kind of puts everything he loves into his work. But everyone thinks only Eva exists.
Gurren Lagann fans are even worse lol.
I knew this was going to happen after I skipped that entire evangelion spoilercast.
"I am too young for this, I don't want this pressure" Is a large part of original Mobile Suit Gundam (which was obsessed with the traumas of war) so it is more like N.G.E. takes it to another level than inventing it.
Making something for an older audience seems he obvious step after original Gundam, I wonder why it took so long for someone to take it further.
My favorite video game youtuber talking about my favorite game series and one of my favorite shows? This is a good day
I hope you've seen George's Critical Close-ups on the Metal Gear series! Some of my favorite RUclips videos of all time.
Shibaboo yes, those are some of my favorite videos too!
9:14 "...a studio being vandalized by hateful fans is generally considered to be crossing a big boundary."
Oof, if any line is as topical as this one...
@André Antunes kyoani arson
@André Antunes you don't follow
I'm still not over it
@@thequinndom6250 How could you be over it? It's a bigger mass murder than the gas attack that changed the trajectory of Eva, and that had been the biggest in Japan post war.
Dude I just finished NGE a day ago, and was thinking how much it reminds me of MGS and MGS2. whoa
whoa
Well, it's no surprise that Evangelion is on people's minds considering a lot of people just watched it on Netflix. I just finished it recently and it's hard not to think about.
I think zone of the enders is way more influenced by gundam than eva, I mean, a teenager living in a space colony who is forced to fight in a giant robot for a cause he doesn't fully grasp sounds much more gundam than evangelion
also i just remembered about the racism against "enders"(spacenoids anyone?) from the earthnoids
George do more research , cowboy bebop to evangelion isn't a straight line. Macross Plus that came out a year before to bebop is a straight line. Even then let's look at that history Watanabe was not given the greenlight to do weird stuff he was given the greenlight to sell robot toys but then used that to make something more than they expected which lead to dropping of budgets and all manner of issues down the line. As stated many times in the comments metal gear is a direct mix of many of kojimas influences from shows and anime.
I believe kojimas pallete is more refined than just Eva , I'm sure he watched all the real robot and super robot shows back in the day especially Tomino based ones. But he's was on heavy work loads in the middle of the 90s I'm not sure how early he got to nge
Also digibro is not a source let's be fair a lot of things he said in his evangelion script are unscripted they aren't all true to history
The video isn't trying to analyze every individual source of inspiration for MGS. It's specifically speculating on the connection between MGS and NGE. Like, you know, it says in the title?
"Vamp isn't for vampire, it's because he's worthy of my grace."
You really worked so hard to figure out a way to make a video about metal gear solid that fits into the latest trending topic... respect
Ironic. Now everyone's trying to figure out how to make a video related to Metal Gear Rising to get their videos trending
Tomino will never get the recognition he deserves
People can’t recognize him due to the piles of the dead in the way.
People who've seen Gundam: "oh yeah. it's eva. eva is the japanese star wars. eva did realistic robot anime first. no other anime addressed mental health b4 eva did. eva even has a giant statue, and metal gear solid probably takes all of its technical jargon from eva."
Lmao, the sarcasm is killing me
The incessant circlejerk over how AMAZING and INFLUENTIAL Eva is has really colored my opinion of a show I haven't even seen yet.
@@Calvin_Coolage It IS influential, just not as much as people seem to think it is, especially compared to Mobile Suit Gundam, which is very obviously the Japanese Equivalent to Star Wars.
Well... sorry for not being an otaku, I guess?
@@tarnishedpose You're not forgiven. Commit sepuku for forgiveness.
Thinking anime was only weird and adult after Evangelion is so insanely wrong I don't even know where to start.
The worst part is that Geoge just made a fucking a video on the importance of rigorous research and fact checking.
Was it ever self aware to the degree eva was?
@@PSspecialist Not sure what you mean specifically by self-aware. This also had nothing to do with what I said.
You should really watch 0079 Gundam. Most of the video could also be applied to MSG and it has a much bigger impact in Japanese culture than EVA.
Most of the video could definitely not be applied to Gundam. I think theres a bit of a transvaluation thing where people who want to diminish Eva by talking about Gundam project Eva onto Gundam and don't really end up understanding it either. There is obviously a *lot* of Gundam in MGS, but most of what George said about NGE's influence here is true and specific to Eva.
NGE is my favorite anime, MGS my favorite gaming series.
Prolly not coincedential
I personally don't believe in coincidence, both series are biblical level on it's foundation and influences within the pop culture sides of Eva on Anime and MGS on Video Games respectively
I didn’t think these two topics could fit together so well. Good job
Theres more Ghost in the Shell than Eva in Metal Gear
Maybe. However, NGE hevily deconstructs its own genre just like MGS2, while GitS doesn't do that as far as i can tell.
There's not much in the way of explorations of what makes up a "self" in MGS as there is in Ghost in the Shell. And Gits is usually a far more serious science fiction work where the world is built around actual technological advancements at the time rather than MGS being more of a fantasy adventure story thats merely dressed up as a Tom Clancy novel with the only relevant parts carried through being observations on political topics of the time.
Timm no it doesn't
Robots, hard sci-fi, cyborgs, that Kevlar, sexy action chicks, VR training, (half)NAKED sexy action chick, badass guns, p-o-l-i-t-i-c-s, military porn, existentialism, (half) NAKED SEXY ACTION CHICKS WITH BADASS GUNS!
gits stil > mgs though
At least GITS has a better game adaptation than Evangelion. Eva64 was kind of cool though.
ZoE is more of a Gundam 78 rip-off in terms of setting, tone and plot (Amuro is proto Shinji after all) George. That´s why I am ok with its story never finishing or going anywhere. Zeta Gundam exists after all.
Eva troubled production has more to do with matsumoto sarin's terroristic attack forcing gainax to redo finished work for his similarity with the real life events, rather than any budget mismanagement!
You could say the same of mgs2 with its ending being affected by 9/11. Coincidence? I think not. Real life affects media more often than you think.
Good video, but I have to mention here that the 'Evangellion ran out of budget story is actually a widely spread myth. The series in fact did not encounter any major budgeting issues towards the end of it's run, and instead the massive decrease in quality seen in the last several episodes are all due to issues behind the scenes with the production.
It was more because terrorist attacks around the time caused them to have to redo a bunch of episodes from scratch at the last minute (if only George knew this he could have used it as another parallel between NGE and MGS2) and be constantly behind schedule for the rest of the shows run, ultimately culminating in episode 25 being radically changed to resemble what Anno had planned for episode 26. Anno maintains that episode 26 was always going to be what it was.
@@Tamacat388 Oh right, MGS2 was going to have Solidus die on a collapsing Twin Tower style building right? Then 9/11 happened and they had to change it?
Hey George, if you haven't yet I'd recommend watching Serial Experiments Lain. It's in the same camp as Cowboy Bebop in that it couldn't have existed without Eva, and was not only instrumental in inspiring a lot of sci-fi following it, but was also extremely forward thinking about the internet and the ramifications of a networked world.
Might be in your wheelhouse, and it's all on youtube if you're interested.
Dude, a lot of mecha animes before Eva were about the characters ever since Mobile Suit Gundam.
Not the ones made before Gundam (or at least most of them)
@@frankjaeger2565 Eh, yeah. Gundam did kind of start that idea of making mecha animes about characters instead of the mechs.
@@frankjaeger2565 I corrected my comment.
@@frankjaeger2565 there were a few before Gundam that did.
Daimos, Zambot 3, the Getter Robo manga, etc.
Years later, Kojima still about to make some weird breaking 4th wall stuffs with upcoming "Death Stranding."
A lot of the similarities you mentioned could also be applied to Gundam, which covered these topics before evangelion existed.
Salty?
randomguy6679 | Nah, he’s just right. A lot of western communities put NGE has introduction to these tropes of a teenager piloting a war machine mech not being fun when the actual forerunners did it about a whole decade earlier. Mobile Suit Gundam was never about the robots, in fact few mecha series really are. It was about war and the grey nature of it and how the true villain was the conflict itself and how disenfranchising it is. It’s just sad that not many people know about these things and the history of anime. The mecha genre is almost the most important aspect of anime entirely yet it’s treated like it’s just all about robots fighting when it’s so much more.
@@aleqthepredator Idk dude, I watched Transformers and there didn't seem to be much to it beyond the giant robots.
@@cleverman383 | Funny joke but in the case that you’re serious, Transformers aren’t mecha. They’re just aliens.
@@aleqthepredator It actually doesn't matter what they are because the Transformers are actually the least important part of Transformers.
When i first saw the ending footage in the "End Of Evangelion" immediately thought of Snake's speech in the end of MGS2 but never thought anybody would do a video about it. Great job.
"you're pretty good"
Shoutout to Netflix for making every one obsessed with eva again
I like how this Hideaki Anno guy was given the opportunity to redo that ending that almost everyone hated and he just doubled down on it. I think he's a terrible storyteller but I admire the size of his balls.
Make one about how much of Mobile Suit Gundam is in Metal Gear Solid.
Good video. I think your comment about them being products of a similar era and influences rings true; I thought of Gundam as a potential grandfather to both series, where war is depicted as senseless and cruel and where pilots are trained from youth to fight on the battlefield.
in other words, war is depicted as is without romanticisation
This video is absurdly good, the pacing, the length, the editing, the topic of it. god damn this is a good ass video.
Tonally Evangelion feels a lot like some of the mid 80's Real Robot series like Zeta Gundam or Armoured Trooper Votoms but they applied it to a Super Robot setting instead.
Jeezo, I have both a video on Evangelion *and* a MGS video coming in the next week. Luckily for me there isn't much crossover so I can simply congratulate you on another amazing video rather than focus on the heart attack I was totally about to have.
Jeezo
Holy crapola, now I know why I hold those two stories in such high esteem. Turns out they've been related this whole time! Thanks for choosing such an adventuresome topic and presenting it in a way that it's not even too highbrow. I really like how your brain works, man. :)
The orbital frames in ZOE don’t look eva like at all, hell if anything the orbital frames don’t really look much like any other mecha such as armored cores, ATs, mobile suits, etc. ZOE shares more with Gundam than it does with eva especially given how leo eventually pilots jehuty. Plus the orbital frames are actual mechs instead of Re-animated angel corpses.
I think the comparisons are more found in their creators then their series, as I think both kojima and anno sorta share some parallels with each other, especially given with how mgs 2 wasn’t well received by fans and was forced to make MGS4. They also have an otaku background, with kojima it’s western fiction and anno it’s showa era entertainment like toku and sci fi anime.
The title was enough to just have me jump right in, but the actual video was genuinely genius
Interesting. To me the footage at the end of MGS2 has a different meaning than the one proposed here. I think Kojima wanted to tell the player that he was talking about real things, not literally of course but related to the real world and its geopolitical state, manipulation of the masses etc.
It's the same idea with Eva. Literally showing real life versions of repeated drawn images from the show to hammer home that the lessons and messages for the characters are analogous to real life and that the anime itself is a "dream" following the thought that films are like dreams.
Zone of the Enders opening plays out more like 1979s Mobile Suit Gundam. Then again George isn't bad enough dude to watch a Japanese tv show from the early 80s :D
All this video did is show how little you know about the Mecha genre. You're missing two entire decades of mecha that came before EVA.
too many buzzwords relevant to for me to not watch immediately
ZOE has a lot of references about eva on his anime. either it being idolo or dolores. even recreating a scene shot by shot.
I am thinking death stranding will have a lot of NGE references with impacts
Eva TV's ending was not because of budget problems, rather it's more related to scheduling problems, in addition to the similarities to the Sarin Gas Attacks, further emphasised with the involvement of a Doomsday cult (SEELE), leading to the internal exploration of Shinji's mind in the TV ending.
Mobile Suit Gundam is a series that features imagery inspired by WWII, and a primary character who is blood-related to an antagonist. But sure, let’s say NGE is the Star Wars of Japan.
I’ll give you ZOE2 but ZOE1 is 100% gundam
The first 3 episodes of Gundam but with a very Shinji inspired main character, only without any of the depth or intrigue. He actually is just a whiny boy most of the time.
Ya know, each time you talk about MGS2 I can't help but appreciate it a bit more each and every time. It's slowly starting to become my favorite in the series because of that.
Kojima being a master of pastiche, I'm not surprised. But this was still a learning experience for me. Eva wasn't as an overt influence as Rambo or Escape from New York, I'd never made the connection before.
Time until "Xenogears plagarized NGE" - 1:53
Wipe this meme from the face of the Earth.
For those that don't understand, Xenogears was originally pitched with a script as Final Fantasy VII, which has a time window between 1994 - 1997, between Final Fantasy VI and VII. Meanwhile, Evangelion aired between 1995 and 1996, with End of Evangelion released in July 1997. Xenogears was released in Japan by February 1998. Besides Soraya Saga denying any influence, Tetsuya claims that actually developing the game took a "little more than 2 years", which means that by the time Evangelion was done, they only had 7 months left. Enough to tweak the dialogue, but not enough to change the core of the script, which would also mean unused assets if the script was reworked during development.
Great video! Its crazy how much influence MGS takes from other Japanese media. I was watching Ghost in the Shell (1995) and it hit me that the Major is wearing a very similar suit to Snake's sneaking suit as she was fighting the spider tank. That whole sequence is very similar to the Snake vs REX fight.
Haven't watched an anime in about 8 years, but this really makes me wanna check out Evangelion
It's a classic, albeit a controversial one.
Evangelion is one of th best anime tv shows out there. Can't go wrong with it. Even Miyazaki was impressed with its character writing.
@@Tamacat388 Which is why it's considered "controversial". It's characters are multidimensional, deeply flawed and broken by the circumstances around them, and the ending of the series is represented by an introspective metaphysical journey of the main protagonist searching for the meaning of existence itself.
It's an art house project in disguise of a mecha anime. I personally love it for that.
"Six EVAs. More than enough to kill any angel that moves"
Fantastic video bud. I'm a big fan of both franchises. I'm currently guiding some friends through a first-watch of NGE. I'm going to also show them this video for some context about how influential NGE is, both here and in Japan. Thanks brother!
Can you explain why I would need/benefit from guidance when first watching NGE?
@@807D14M0ND5 Well, you might not need guidance at all. A few of my friends had a lot of questions and knew I am a big fan of NGE, so they've been asking me stuff as they are going along. The show can be pretty out there at times and I *kind of* have a good idea about most of it lol
MGS Is more closer to Mobile Suit Gundam, hell the opening of Zone of The Enders is basically the opening of the first Gundam Beat. By. Beat.
proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FyCVAH1FwMRc%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&f=1 Look at this (or lookup Deep Striker from Gundam Sentinel) and tell me it doesn't look like Rex?
Also the moral ambiguity with it's villains, mix of magic and hard science. It's all there in the Universal Century. It's all there in the first Gundam. It's all there when Kojima himself would have just entered Game Development.
@@Globalnet626 Naw dude, the history of anime is clearly just the history of what aired on adult swim back in 2001.
Clearly the next step is for you to watch gundam to see the origin of the rules.
Finally that green screen was used.
It never occured to me this connection could ever be made. But you did it, man. I am a hardcore fan of both franchises and I met them both at the same time in my life. I'm glad this video exists and I'm glad you made it.
You never noticed the connection when MGS2 had "Mass Produced RAYs"? Or when MGSV had a mech that could only be piloted by a young boy (whose name was literally Japanese for "The Third Child")
Just watched evangelion again this weekend. Still love it. I mean I watched it for the first time back when I was a self loathing teen so it really hit me.
Out of curiosity, have you ever played The Silver Case? If you're looking for another bizarre game about the turn of the millennium with an eclectic form of storytelling and shifts in presentation style, it will probably be up your alley.
You ever find a video that you feel was designed specifically for you? Well i have now.
Well, over 20 years later and Kojima is finally free from the shackles of MGS.
Can Anno say the same?
To me there's a clear winner here.
See now I kinda want you to talk about Xenogears, mostly cause not many people do. Also it’s my favorite game ever so I just like to hear people talk about it cause it validates my feelings
You just made this right around the same time I finished all 26 episodes of Eva and The End of Evangelion....I still have side effects of End of Evangelion...
how did this not appear in my recommendations until just now?
Never did I imagine these kind of connections would ever be made between these franchises, yet here we are...
It all returns to Evangelion...
Bro even the way Psycho Mantis "The Third Child" was hovering above sehalanthropus, the same way Rei was hovering above Lilith before jumpstarting the third impact
Oh man, two if my most favorite things in the whole wide world brought together by one one of my favorite people in the whole wide world.
It must be my birthday.
I prefer the in-video ads as opposed to youtube's ridiculous monitization BS - keep up good work.
I subconsciously waited for this since I subbed for your mgv story analysis video
2:53 I fucking hate this idea so much. Gundam, literally had Amuro Ray run away, and shout that he wasn't going to pilot the giant robot. Because it was kind of f'ed up having a child fight in a giant weapon for a war. Why do people think this was something Eva was revolutionary for doing?
I've recently started watching Evangelion for the first time, at the behest of a friend. We also spend a lot of time making MGS quotes to each other as well.
Get out of my brain, RUclips.
They play classic old school songs from popular korean dramas even in China Air and South China Air, so it's not a surprise that old popular songs are played in public transport in Japan.
Did you really need the sponsor hamfisted into the middle when it was already at the start?
My two favorite Japanese Pop Culture items analyzed against each other. Thank you, George!!!!
If anyone liked Eva and wanted to watch more like it, look up the video How Evangelion Altered Anime Eternally by Digibro
and NGE was inspired by Gundam... so that means Gundams are confirmed for MGS6!!! BIG NEWS!!
NGE was inspired by Godzilla. Hideaki Anno always wanted to direct a Godzilla film and he finally did in 2016.
Okay, for people who have watched both the original and Netflix resub of Evangelion, if one has not seen the original, should one see the Netflix version?
Oscar McCormack Netflix version is fine, the only glaring issue is the lack of Fly Me To The Moon.
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...like, the song?
Oscar McCormack Yes, in the original series the ending credits song was a rendition of Fly Me To The Moon, every episode had a different singer, and one scene had a really pretty instrumental version as the BGM. Sadly the Netflix version doesn’t have the song in it in any form. It sucks but that’s the only major issue with the Netflix version
The new sub and dub are perfectly fine. And far more accurate. Despite what many fans are claiming the original dub and sub are flawed in many ways, have terrible terrible hammy acting that fans call "lively", and takes some bad liberties with the script. The Netflix one is superior in almost every way. The only room for debate is really the use of "Third Children" over "Third Child" to refer to a single person. In the japanese script the characters are literally saying "Third Children" in english and it was changed to "Child" to sound more natural when brought to english. Netflix goes with "Children". Its not that big a deal either way. If you don't already have nostalgia for terribly acted, questionably localized 90s anime dubs there isn't much reason to pay attention to the old Eva dub.
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The only difference is that the dub is re-translated and cast, and the ending song being different because they didn't have the rights to play it. I watch subbed, so I don't know if it's better or worse, but it should be a fine version to watch.
Don't watch "Evangelion: Death (true)"/"Evangelion: rebirth" (same thing, different name). That's a weird recap of the show.
Definitely watch "The End of Evangelion", preferably right after the show. To put it simply, the shows ending is was happens in the minds of the characters, while the movie is what happens physically during the ending.
It's a weird ride, but even if you don't end up enjoying it, it's culturally significant. A modern classic.
If anybody wants to make yet ANOTHER (admittedly unnecessary) connection, both Misato and Snake wield a USP. The only differences are that Misato's is undecorated and chambered in .40 while Snake's has an airsoft light and chambered in 9mm.
The real question is how much Thunderbirds is in Neon Genesis Evangelion and as such the circle is complete.
Quite a bit, along with plenty of Gundam and Ultraman.
No mid video adds please, I already pay for YT premium, isn't that double dipping?
my man's got rent to pay, skip the ad and let him get his check
Did you know that the diving suits seen when Raiden infiltrates the Big Shell kind of look like the diving suit Asuka uses in episode 10 of the series when she dives into a volcano?
I just finished NGE for the first time this past weekend and was wondering about the comparisons of it to MGS2 myself. Then your video comes out. Good job dude.