@@tilapiadave3234 The sunshine levels in Queensland indicate the opposite. Solar panels are cheap - so buy as many as you can fit on your roof. Get as big a storage battery as you can afford and a decent inverter and your electric bills will more than halve.
@@johnfrancis4401 How about you ACTUALLY take a real LOOK ,,, not your silly GUESS but a look at factual data. Search Photovoltaic Electricity Potential ,,, then come back and apologize
@@johnfrancis4401 Rubbish ,,, why do you PRETEND to know? It is a simple search Photovoltaic Electricity Potential, You will be surprized. After you see your wrong make sure to come back and apologize
@@tilapiadave3234 You’re wrong. But hey that’s no problem. Sunlight is free. The Panels are cheap. The batteries and inverter controller are expensive. But the cost is paid back within 8 years. After that you’re saving significantly.
Mike, the first best place to install batteries is at the homes and businesses that have or could have solar panels. That would save billions in power lines construction and maintenance costs, etc. We home and small business owners need affordable batteries so that we can disconnect from the corrupt and predatory electric utility monopolies.
Exactly the same reason why storing it at a home behind the meter at a house alongside solar panels. 6.6kWh Solar + 12.8kWh battery has reduced my grid electricity usage by 98%. 4 person household in Qld. Current ROI for my solar plus battery is 5 years. Installed alongside my 10 Yr old 4kWh system still going strong. Paid for itself in 4.5 years. The old and new together is fantastic. In 5 years I’ll be able to get a 25kWh battery for half the price as an upgrade. Or even better, I’ll just use an EV with bidirectional charging. Won’t be long until we have cheap 100kWh EV batteries. I’ll tap 25% of that for home.
but remember that our 'electricity' bill, 30c/KWH, is mostly for grid maintenance, replacing the old poles and wire, the electricity component is only about 6c/KWH.
6c at off peak times, yeah. the wholesale electricity price spikes to 30-40c around 7am and 6pm, its all on the AEMO website. if they'd charge a flat daily connection fee to everyone and vary power prices during the day based on the wholesale price at that time, it'd incentivise people buying their own batteries to sell power back to the grid at 7am and 6pm. they don't wanna do that though because when the wholesale price is 6c thats when they make most of their money, by selling that 6c worth of power to consumers for 20-30c. grid scale solar and batteries doesn't really make sense technology wise, its a poorly thought out workaround for a poorly designed electricity market that screws consumers. rooftop solar and home batteries would be a far more cost effective solution but they don't want to let us do it, I.E. "no, only i may sell power to your neighbors for 30c, i'll buy it from you for 6c no matter what the time is, and you must always pay 30c to buy it from me even when i'm only paying 6c"
@@JedPotts-jv2ux We missed another major opportunity, when most of our meters were replaced with 'smart meters', without implementing dynamic electricity prices. I am in the process of adding batteries to my house, effectively going off-grid.
@@graemetunbridge1738 its wild how they're running things. right now it just incentivises people to go off grid, which is terrible on a national level (but understandable considering how badly we're getting screwed by the system) if you could sell back to the grid when prices are high it'd give "energy independent" homes an incentive to stay connected and pay their connection fees because they'd be making money selling excess power at peak times. everyone would be getting cheaper power, and national energy generation capacity would be financed by homeowners investing their own savings into solar/battery setups, no taxpayer funds needed, no loans needed, greatly reduced energy waste due to losses in long distance transmission lines. its far more cost effective for 1/4 of the houses in a neighborhood to be powering everyone, rather than transporting power from some solar farm hundreds of km away that has staff who need to be paid to maintain it. $50 a month to stay connected makes perfect sense when you're making $300 a month selling power to your neighbors.
Over the last 12 months 1.34% of SA's grid electricity has come from/via batteries. No other SE Australian state has batteries in their grid power mix, at least according to AEMO app. Here are the WHOLESALE power prices for SE australia at 8:15 am Friday 9/8/24 SA $0.210 / kwh VIC $0.211 / kwh TAS $ 0.0543 / kwh NSW $0.076 / kwh QLD $0.065 / kwh Edit: The % solar over the last 12 months: SA 9.04% VIC 3.42% TAS 0% NSW 11.14% QLD 10.4%
@@footbru Happen in June here in Sydney ,, 14 consecutive cloudy days and sweet FA wind. That is only 2 months ago ,,, maybe you can go back through weather records and find 20 PLUS
I am very much pro green energy but…here in the U.S. I have done the calculations several times and the break even point on home solar was always 8-12 years and that did not include the time value of money. Sometimes we all get carried away with rosy forecast like $.01/KWH solar power cost. Not going to happen. Land cost more than that-installation alone cost more-and no one will ever give away solar cells. Let’s be just a little more realistic.
That's why people put it on their roofs, free space. And 10 years is great, everything after that is just profit and also the electricity prices will most likely be higher at that point.
US fall way Behind. US wil be like Cuba Old Cars. The rest of the World goes Electric. Solar and Wind. US Coal, Gas Cars, US will become a Tourist attraction in the Future. Solar cost now 10 cent Wp. 50 dollar a panel 500 Wp. 👍🙂
Are we talking medal tally at the Olympics or solar batteries same score board…🤣🤣🤣🤣 China / USA / AU👍 Batteries are game changers our solar system went from Good to Great once we added the battery. Now our house actually runs at >90% on our solar all year round - on average.😊
We have so much solar, my plan offers free power from 11:00am to 2:00pm. Our feed in tariff is now $0.03 per kw/h. Power used during the peak times is now over $0.53. Do the math - they buy it at $0.03 and sell it at a profit of $0.50 a Kw/h. They will make the money back in no time.
LMAO ,,,, you actually fail to THINK. You expect the grid company to pay YOU what they charge their customers??? WOW , I am continually shocked at the lack of actual thought put into comments here
@@tilapiadave3234 No, if you understand the energy market, you'd also understand at times the market is actually negative with regards to the cost of electricity that the supplier has to pay for. We buy from the supplier. "WOW , I am continually shocked at the lack of actual thought put into comments here"
@@xiaowei1 No ,, you are talking a VERY VERY small amount of time ,, lack of thought AGAIN on your part ,, it could be that your parents are very closely related? Show me ACTUAL data how many THOUSANDS of hours per year the supplier CHARGES customers zero or less ,,,, you can't because it SIMPLY DOES NOT happen
@@tilapiadave3234 First, your trolling ad homonyms and lack of ability to make cogent sentences does not assist your argument. OVO energy offer free electricity between 11:00am and 2:00pm on their EV plan. Australia has so much solar power, the market often goes into negative territory for electricity around this time. You are an idiot, so I'll make this easier, just Google "flowpower: The Positives of Negative Prices" and the first article to pop up should be by an electricity supplier flowpower explaining how it works - assuming you can read.
Individual home and business owners desperately need affordable storage batteries. The utility-scale batteries only enable the electric utility monopolies and cartels to continue to abuse their captive customers. We need to disrupt the corrupt and predatory fossil fuel and electric utility cartels. We need better and more affordable batteries!
I agree. They can pay solar owners today and then slowly decrease or eliminate the payments tomorrow at whim, because they need money to cover some other mistake that the government made. People need to have their own energy storage.
Inexpensive, safe LIFEP04 batteries for domestic use are readily available. Unfortunately for us installers can and do charge eye wateringly massive $$ often 4 to 5 times the retail cost of batteries for the install. While Battery costs have reduced significantly, installation costs continue to rise.
Show us your solar,already! I am waiting approval from home owner association for my proposed 10.4 KWH grid tied system. Buy batteries,while the elites are waiting for better batteries at a better price point. Roll the dice. I did and so did Tesla and now My 21 model Y is in the shop for a dead, main battery replacement under warranty.
Who is paying for this new battery as if I couldn't guess. Don't tell us it's big because I want to know how much of the state it could power and for how long and how many more of them we'll need to get something like 40 days storage. How many more solar farms and wind turbines will we need and of course none of them will be in the cities. I bought my first solar panel back in the 80's so I'm not anti renewables but I'm also no where near dumb enough to want to close down our coal fired power stations because we'll need them. The average home has 1.8 cars and I'm guessing your new roof top solar wouldn't be anywhere near enough to just charge your cars.
It's not that people don't like ruinables - they don't like the PRICE. Price decreasing? Fantasy. Bookmark this video and come back in five years to see exactly how much 'lower' the price is. I'll take bets on it being MORE expensive.
The prices of both solar panels and batteries have been steadily decreasing for the past two decades. It only takes a few minutes to research these basic facts.
@@Sendu7 Regardless - the price of electricity has been going UP for the past two decades (and more) and the more we add wind power (or solar) the more expensive the electricity gets. Go figure huh?
@@kellyeye7224 Big oil have been ensuring that prices continue to go up. I installed a 4kW Solar PV system last week - 16 panels (somewhat overkill - but it is the UK afterall). Cost of that system cost of that system £1100 - ($AUD2000, $US1400). Expected payback time - 20 months.
@@mb-3faze Questionable costing there. Here in the UK a typical 400W panel costs £100 (give or take) and solar PV isn't just 'the panels' it's the inverter and necessary storage too. You'd need around 16kW to make a viable system for most parts of the UK (cloudy etc) so material costs alone would be £2k for the panels, £1k for the inverter, £2k for the batteries and installation ON TOP. Oil pricing is more political than 'big oil' - the USA were self-sufficient until the bent election then prices went up as the oil was turned off for POLITICAL reasons. If we wanted to be practical about it then we should all go to LNG/LPG for fuel.
@@kellyeye7224 City Plumbing price today: 410W Longi panels £56.74 inc VAT including delivery. Soils 4kW inverter new off ebay £250 free shipping. £50 for wire etc. This will provide about 3.8MWhrs of electricity over the year in rainy old England. Export excess during the summer for £0.15 per kWhr. Savings approx £580 per year. Personally, I'll wait for batteries ($2k is way too low). This is simple and effective stuff - you'd need special dispensation from the DNOs for a 16kW system. 'Bent election' hmmm. 60+ failed lawsuits say you were wrong.
No!!!!’ First install solar and batteries at every appropriate home, school, business, parking lot, etc! Generate and store the power where it will be used! Also, installing solar panels on our roofs and parking lots will cool our homes and towns.
July 2024 was China’s “hottest month in observed modern history” (since records began in 1961), in a record coinciding with the world experiencing its hottest day on 22 July, Reuters reported. Every province across the country saw average temperatures for July rise year-on-year, with Guizhou, Yunnan, Hunan, Jiangxi and Zhejiang ranking highest, it said, adding that the record were unusual because “the El Nino climate pattern…ended in April, but temperatures have not abated”. State broadcaster CCTV said on 4 August that several provinces had experienced temperatures between 40-43.9C, warning residents to “reduce” time spent outdoors. Reuters also said that rising temperatures “sharply pushed up demand for power to cool homes and offices” and “stoked fears of damage to rice crops”, adding that the city of Hangzhou “banned all non-essential outdoor lighting and light shows this week to conserve energy”.
A very fine and eloquent comment on everyone's video everywhere. Articulated and in-depth analysis, coherent, arguments finely tuned and cogently presented. You have really worked hard at that!
The funny thing is that these target dates might have been reached even without the government subsidies - purely on the basis of state of technology and availability of resources for sich price that there will be great profit. I mean, I didn't calculate it, but imagine that only China subsidized their battery and solar businesses. Still, the lowering prices thanks to economies of scale would flow down under to Australia. On the other hand, if the rest of the world didn't innovate, then of course China would charge much higher prices, and the economic systems of the west would go as well "down under", this time meant economically and not geographically. Oops, but isn't this happening anyways? Is there some breakthrough development in this area in Europe, Australia or even the USA if we don't count Tesla? I'm not aware of that. I only know about the huge government subsidies (=stealing from their citizen taxpayers) these countries throw away in the wrong direction. And the progress will come regardless, because it is based on the market principles, supply and demand and where is profit to be made, there is will to make it.
What is required but never discussed is TIME of FEED IN tariffs ,,, want to feed your solar in in the middle of the day pay 1cent per KWH ,,, store it in a battery and feed in when it's really needed ,, pay 25 cents ,, suddenly you have a profitable option
@@tilapiadave3234 exactly. It is not power companies ripping customers off by giving very little for FIT. They are probably loosing money for every kWh that people feed during the day.
What are the batteries made from ? Where are the materials to make each battery resourced from ? What is the footprint across the globe to produce ? Will heavy industry be a part of this plan ? Who's making all the money , now and into the future? Im not a Nay sayer , i was educated to ask , why , how , etc... I hope someone can answer each question. 👍🇭🇲🦘
Your solar installer can not possibly be the best. They do not use Enphase microinverters. DC on the roof/string inverter is last-century technology... Batteries with hybrid inverters do not solve the DC on the roof fire risks. The danger of a DC arc igniting a fire is real. Why have DC on the roof at all? To save money? You will pay extra for fire insurance. Over time, savings lost, possibly the house.
LMAO ,,, Can you pay for the microinverters please ,, 3 million houses , 30 panels per house ,, please DONATE 90 MILLION of your pathetic microinverters JUST for QLD
They need to mandate a policy where everyone is required to have solar panels, if you are living in an apartment that does not have panels, they they are taxed or have increased power prices. that would force the owners of apartments to install solar. Private homes regardless of income should have solar, meet a minimal energy efficiency quota or be fined or taxed. Also, each house hold should be required to have one EV by 2026. Charging bay and wall battery unit. or be fined or taxed for no-compliance.
That's great that's fantastic. Giant lithium boxes. Could you imagine if you could bolt 4 wheels on to the corners of those things? Imagine the lithium mining Bonanza.... Imagine the rare earth's Wall Street commodities investment potential. Musk would be right there cheering on. Everyone would have to trade in their current EVs for the giant lithium boxes on wheels. No other ev types or other storage technologies would work or would even exist. If anyone built a pumped hydro storage Viking would be like "How silly, this doesn't work, this is dangerous... They're using them for bombs in the Ukraine war". 🤪
It is hilarious to see Australia go from a world leader in energy efficiency to a third world economy as they try to be politically correct and woke and destroy their coal powered prosperity with renewable swindles... Hahaha Australia, The land down under the green swindle!
@@billconstantine7248 Global warming? Now forecasts of an impending ice age are starting to be made. I'm not keen on opencut coal either, nuclear has a very small footprint. But even open cut coal's footprint is minuscule to the massive damage wind & solar are doing.
Australia is Sunny and Wind Blazing. For the grab. They just dont see it. 😂 Google UK Hinkley Point Cost. Delay 2031. Cost up to 58 Billion US Dollars. Sorry, latest news Cost 90 Billion US Dollars. Delay till 2035. Nucleaire 3 GW Capacity. China has in 2030 Solar 2000 GW. Wind 2000 GW. UK 3 GW Nucleaire Power in 2035. China 4000 GW Solar and Wind Power in 2030.
Spain sunniest country in Europe. Yet no battery storage due to outdated regulation and no bribes (aka investment support) to utility oligopoly. For shame.
But at least I found a company that will actually pay you for your surplus solar in full, unlike Endesa etc. Octopus Energy - they're a British company that say they'll pay in full, let you use your surplus to pay the fees and taxes on your bill, and carry any surplus over to following months. Contrast that with Endesa, Iberdrola etc. In the UK they have 8 million customers and are well regarded.
Australia must get off fossil fuels. This will help with Australia's energy security. The cost of oil is causing inflation. Gas and foreign oil must go. Never forget that the federal government is in the fossil fuel business. A tax on a tax.
LMAO ,,, do the calcs ,, how long will this pathetic little waste of money ACTUALLY hold full load to an entire system on cloudy windless day? 10 minutes?
@@Bio33-lg2bh Oh dear ,,, your a classic example of what is wrong with this discussion , you ACTUALLY know nothing. Please go and educate yourself. Maybe even take a look at solar sunshine world ratings and see the place solar SHOULD actually be put
The best solar company in Australia just installed my new solar system.
Check them out here: www.resinc.com.au/electricviking
The lucky country is very sunny. Queensland is extremely sunny. Solar panels and batteries are a no brainer
LMAO ,, FACT is QLD is not one of the best places for solar.
@@tilapiadave3234 The sunshine levels in Queensland indicate the opposite. Solar panels are cheap - so buy as many as you can fit on your roof. Get as big a storage battery as you can afford and a decent inverter and your electric bills will more than halve.
@@johnfrancis4401 How about you ACTUALLY take a real LOOK ,,, not your silly GUESS but a look at factual data. Search Photovoltaic Electricity Potential ,,, then come back and apologize
@@johnfrancis4401 Rubbish ,,, why do you PRETEND to know? It is a simple search Photovoltaic Electricity Potential, You will be surprized. After you see your wrong make sure to come back and apologize
@@tilapiadave3234 You’re wrong. But hey that’s no problem. Sunlight is free. The Panels are cheap. The batteries and inverter controller are expensive. But the cost is paid back within 8 years. After that you’re saving significantly.
The best place to build battery storage is at closed or closing power plants. The cabling and transformers are there already. No expense spent.
...would replave the cables though...
Rooftop solar with storage eliminates the need for electric distribution. Put solar on every rooftop.
Mike, the first best place to install batteries is at the homes and businesses that have or could have solar panels. That would save billions in power lines construction and maintenance costs, etc. We home and small business owners need affordable batteries so that we can disconnect from the corrupt and predatory electric utility monopolies.
That is the place for our future Nuclear plants ,, RELIABLE 24/7 power
Exactly the same reason why storing it at a home behind the meter at a house alongside solar panels.
6.6kWh Solar + 12.8kWh battery has reduced my grid electricity usage by 98%. 4 person household in Qld.
Current ROI for my solar plus battery is 5 years.
Installed alongside my 10 Yr old 4kWh system still going strong. Paid for itself in 4.5 years.
The old and new together is fantastic.
In 5 years I’ll be able to get a 25kWh battery for half the price as an upgrade. Or even better, I’ll just use an EV with bidirectional charging. Won’t be long until we have cheap 100kWh EV batteries. I’ll tap 25% of that for home.
Rooftop PV panels shading rooftops adds to the value of rooftop PV 😮😊😊😊😊
YESSSS finally! Not too far from my place, too 😁
but remember that our 'electricity' bill, 30c/KWH, is mostly for grid maintenance, replacing the old poles and wire, the electricity component is only about 6c/KWH.
6c at off peak times, yeah. the wholesale electricity price spikes to 30-40c around 7am and 6pm, its all on the AEMO website.
if they'd charge a flat daily connection fee to everyone and vary power prices during the day based on the wholesale price at that time, it'd incentivise people buying their own batteries to sell power back to the grid at 7am and 6pm. they don't wanna do that though because when the wholesale price is 6c thats when they make most of their money, by selling that 6c worth of power to consumers for 20-30c.
grid scale solar and batteries doesn't really make sense technology wise, its a poorly thought out workaround for a poorly designed electricity market that screws consumers. rooftop solar and home batteries would be a far more cost effective solution but they don't want to let us do it, I.E. "no, only i may sell power to your neighbors for 30c, i'll buy it from you for 6c no matter what the time is, and you must always pay 30c to buy it from me even when i'm only paying 6c"
@@JedPotts-jv2ux We missed another major opportunity, when most of our meters were replaced with 'smart meters', without implementing dynamic electricity prices. I am in the process of adding batteries to my house, effectively going off-grid.
@@graemetunbridge1738 its wild how they're running things.
right now it just incentivises people to go off grid, which is terrible on a national level (but understandable considering how badly we're getting screwed by the system)
if you could sell back to the grid when prices are high it'd give "energy independent" homes an incentive to stay connected and pay their connection fees because they'd be making money selling excess power at peak times. everyone would be getting cheaper power, and national energy generation capacity would be financed by homeowners investing their own savings into solar/battery setups, no taxpayer funds needed, no loans needed, greatly reduced energy waste due to losses in long distance transmission lines. its far more cost effective for 1/4 of the houses in a neighborhood to be powering everyone, rather than transporting power from some solar farm hundreds of km away that has staff who need to be paid to maintain it.
$50 a month to stay connected makes perfect sense when you're making $300 a month selling power to your neighbors.
Over the last 12 months 1.34% of SA's grid electricity has come from/via batteries. No other SE Australian state has batteries in their grid power mix, at least according to AEMO app.
Here are the WHOLESALE power prices for SE australia at 8:15 am Friday 9/8/24
SA $0.210 / kwh
VIC $0.211 / kwh
TAS $ 0.0543 / kwh
NSW $0.076 / kwh
QLD $0.065 / kwh
Edit: The % solar over the last 12 months:
SA 9.04%
VIC 3.42%
TAS 0%
NSW 11.14%
QLD 10.4%
That is about 15 to 20 minutes of supply for Queensland. Which is not bad. How much would a few days worth of battery storage cost.
So if we have 14 days of no sun and no wind ,, we require approximately 1,344 of these batteries ,, lets all go broke together
@@tilapiadave3234 "14 days of no sun and no wind"??????
@@footbru Happen in June here in Sydney ,, 14 consecutive cloudy days and sweet FA wind. That is only 2 months ago ,,, maybe you can go back through weather records and find 20 PLUS
@@tilapiadave3234 Maybe YOU can look back through records. Provide some dates.
@@tilapiadave3234 Sydney is not QLD. Also a moot point but worth mentioning; Solar Arrays still produce some power on cloudy rainy days
I hope they do a better job with the battery than they have with their website which looks like a high school project made in 1998
Why not talk about Geothermal power generator potential that can be done in Southern Australia? Thank you Electric Viking 😎
Great clip, but, maybe do a few buttons up dude
Batteries and power storage in general are desperately needed to allow the increase of solar/wind power.
Wasting money that should be spent on Nuclear
I am very much pro green energy but…here in the U.S. I have done the calculations several times and the break even point on home solar was always 8-12 years and that did not include the time value of money. Sometimes we all get carried away with rosy forecast like $.01/KWH solar power cost. Not going to happen. Land cost more than that-installation alone cost more-and no one will ever give away solar cells. Let’s be just a little more realistic.
That's why people put it on their roofs, free space. And 10 years is great, everything after that is just profit and also the electricity prices will most likely be higher at that point.
US fall way Behind. US wil be like Cuba Old Cars. The rest of the World goes Electric. Solar and Wind. US Coal, Gas Cars, US will become a Tourist attraction in the Future. Solar cost now 10 cent Wp. 50 dollar a panel 500 Wp. 👍🙂
Are we talking medal tally at the Olympics or solar batteries same score board…🤣🤣🤣🤣 China / USA / AU👍 Batteries are game changers our solar system went from Good to Great once we added the battery. Now our house actually runs at >90% on our solar all year round - on average.😊
We have so much solar, my plan offers free power from 11:00am to 2:00pm. Our feed in tariff is now $0.03 per kw/h. Power used during the peak times is now over $0.53. Do the math - they buy it at $0.03 and sell it at a profit of $0.50 a Kw/h. They will make the money back in no time.
LMAO ,,,, you actually fail to THINK. You expect the grid company to pay YOU what they charge their customers??? WOW , I am continually shocked at the lack of actual thought put into comments here
@@tilapiadave3234 No, if you understand the energy market, you'd also understand at times the market is actually negative with regards to the cost of electricity that the supplier has to pay for. We buy from the supplier. "WOW , I am continually shocked at the lack of actual thought put into comments here"
@@xiaowei1 No ,, you are talking a VERY VERY small amount of time ,, lack of thought AGAIN on your part ,, it could be that your parents are very closely related? Show me ACTUAL data how many THOUSANDS of hours per year the supplier CHARGES customers zero or less ,,,, you can't because it SIMPLY DOES NOT happen
@@tilapiadave3234 First, your trolling ad homonyms and lack of ability to make cogent sentences does not assist your argument. OVO energy offer free electricity between 11:00am and 2:00pm on their EV plan. Australia has so much solar power, the market often goes into negative territory for electricity around this time. You are an idiot, so I'll make this easier, just Google "flowpower: The Positives of Negative Prices" and the first article to pop up should be by an electricity supplier flowpower explaining how it works - assuming you can read.
Hey Sam . . . on a per capita basis, how is Australia doing on Grid scale battery systems?
When is a mega battery going to Townsville (the sunniest place in Qld)?
#Nuclear4Climate
Is that you Kojak?
@@trythis2821 uuuh, no?
…however, I am 🧑🦲😂
Wait for the change of Gov. I hope I'm wrong.
Individual home and business owners desperately need affordable storage batteries. The utility-scale batteries only enable the electric utility monopolies and cartels to continue to abuse their captive customers. We need to disrupt the corrupt and predatory fossil fuel and electric utility cartels. We need better and more affordable batteries!
I agree. They can pay solar owners today and then slowly decrease or eliminate the payments tomorrow at whim, because they need money to cover some other mistake that the government made. People need to have their own energy storage.
LMAO ,, we need $1 electric cars ,, we NEED $1 per Kilo Steak ,, we need.......... How about helping with a solution?
This is the best news I’ve heard for a long time!
Inexpensive, safe LIFEP04 batteries for domestic use are readily available. Unfortunately for us installers can and do charge eye wateringly massive $$ often 4 to 5 times the retail cost of batteries for the install. While Battery costs have reduced significantly, installation costs continue to rise.
@@slightlyskewed How many of those HOME batteries hold enough for 14 days straight?
Coal proponets will have a tough tine argueing with a 50% decrease in electric rates
My power bill is UP more than 50% in last 5 years
What part of the world do you live in, because I'm coming there. You have fallen for the hype i.e brainwashed...
@@tilapiadave3234my power bill has dropped in the last 5yrs. I now make money instead of paying. You must have the wrong setup.
Tell us about the licence holders, the artificicial licence number limits and quo bono. Dare you
Show us your solar,already!
I am waiting approval from home owner association for my proposed 10.4 KWH grid tied system. Buy batteries,while the elites are waiting for better batteries at a better price point. Roll the dice. I did and so did Tesla and now My 21 model Y is in the shop for a dead, main battery replacement under warranty.
I insist: why create a barren plot to install the battery? This will only increase help he surrounding temperature and decrease efficiency
Who is paying for this new battery as if I couldn't guess.
Don't tell us it's big because I want to know how much of the state it could power and for how long and how many more of them we'll need to get something like 40 days storage.
How many more solar farms and wind turbines will we need and of course none of them will be in the cities.
I bought my first solar panel back in the 80's so I'm not anti renewables but I'm also no where near dumb enough to want to close down our coal fired power stations because we'll need them.
The average home has 1.8 cars and I'm guessing your new roof top solar wouldn't be anywhere near enough to just charge your cars.
Electricity should be free in Australia to taxpayers as there is so much sun!
6:20 live at 2027? How come Tesla could promise and deliver it within 100 days for Adelaide? 🤔
It's not that people don't like ruinables - they don't like the PRICE. Price decreasing? Fantasy. Bookmark this video and come back in five years to see exactly how much 'lower' the price is. I'll take bets on it being MORE expensive.
The prices of both solar panels and batteries have been steadily decreasing for the past two decades. It only takes a few minutes to research these basic facts.
@@Sendu7 Regardless - the price of electricity has been going UP for the past two decades (and more) and the more we add wind power (or solar) the more expensive the electricity gets. Go figure huh?
@@kellyeye7224 Big oil have been ensuring that prices continue to go up. I installed a 4kW Solar PV system last week - 16 panels (somewhat overkill - but it is the UK afterall). Cost of that system cost of that system £1100 - ($AUD2000, $US1400). Expected payback time - 20 months.
@@mb-3faze Questionable costing there. Here in the UK a typical 400W panel costs £100 (give or take) and solar PV isn't just 'the panels' it's the inverter and necessary storage too. You'd need around 16kW to make a viable system for most parts of the UK (cloudy etc) so material costs alone would be £2k for the panels, £1k for the inverter, £2k for the batteries and installation ON TOP.
Oil pricing is more political than 'big oil' - the USA were self-sufficient until the bent election then prices went up as the oil was turned off for POLITICAL reasons.
If we wanted to be practical about it then we should all go to LNG/LPG for fuel.
@@kellyeye7224 City Plumbing price today: 410W Longi panels £56.74 inc VAT including delivery. Soils 4kW inverter new off ebay £250 free shipping. £50 for wire etc. This will provide about 3.8MWhrs of electricity over the year in rainy old England. Export excess during the summer for £0.15 per kWhr. Savings approx £580 per year. Personally, I'll wait for batteries ($2k is way too low). This is simple and effective stuff - you'd need special dispensation from the DNOs for a 16kW system. 'Bent election' hmmm. 60+ failed lawsuits say you were wrong.
They can build a lot more in the Outback.
No!!!!’ First install solar and batteries at every appropriate home, school, business, parking lot, etc! Generate and store the power where it will be used! Also, installing solar panels on our roofs and parking lots will cool our homes and towns.
@@freeheeler09 No!!!!! the EXPENSE is TRIPLE to put panels in those CRAZY places ,,, Panels belong in the outback
July 2024 was China’s “hottest month in observed modern history” (since records began in 1961), in a record coinciding with the world experiencing its hottest day on 22 July, Reuters reported. Every province across the country saw average temperatures for July rise year-on-year, with Guizhou, Yunnan, Hunan, Jiangxi and Zhejiang ranking highest, it said, adding that the record were unusual because “the El Nino climate pattern…ended in April, but temperatures have not abated”. State broadcaster CCTV said on 4 August that several provinces had experienced temperatures between 40-43.9C, warning residents to “reduce” time spent outdoors. Reuters also said that rising temperatures “sharply pushed up demand for power to cool homes and offices” and “stoked fears of damage to rice crops”, adding that the city of Hangzhou “banned all non-essential outdoor lighting and light shows this week to conserve energy”.
Since 1961 ,,, hmmmmm how old is Earth? even recently introduced species such as humans have been around 1 - 1.5 MILLION years
Cheers mate
A very fine and eloquent comment on everyone's video everywhere. Articulated and in-depth analysis, coherent, arguments finely tuned and cogently presented.
You have really worked hard at that!
@@hardi.howdy.983 Yes more than you can think
What's crackin cobber?
The funny thing is that these target dates might have been reached even without the government subsidies - purely on the basis of state of technology and availability of resources for sich price that there will be great profit.
I mean, I didn't calculate it, but imagine that only China subsidized their battery and solar businesses. Still, the lowering prices thanks to economies of scale would flow down under to Australia. On the other hand, if the rest of the world didn't innovate, then of course China would charge much higher prices, and the economic systems of the west would go as well "down under", this time meant economically and not geographically. Oops, but isn't this happening anyways? Is there some breakthrough development in this area in Europe, Australia or even the USA if we don't count Tesla? I'm not aware of that. I only know about the huge government subsidies (=stealing from their citizen taxpayers) these countries throw away in the wrong direction. And the progress will come regardless, because it is based on the market principles, supply and demand and where is profit to be made, there is will to make it.
This is bad news. It means peak demand electricity prices will drop and I will get less for my FIT. 😢
What is required but never discussed is TIME of FEED IN tariffs ,,, want to feed your solar in in the middle of the day pay 1cent per KWH ,,, store it in a battery and feed in when it's really needed ,, pay 25 cents ,, suddenly you have a profitable option
@@tilapiadave3234 exactly. It is not power companies ripping customers off by giving very little for FIT. They are probably loosing money for every kWh that people feed during the day.
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What are the batteries made from ?
Where are the materials to make each battery resourced from ?
What is the footprint across the globe to produce ?
Will heavy industry be a part of this plan ?
Who's making all the money , now and into the future?
Im not a Nay sayer , i was educated to ask , why , how , etc... I hope someone can answer each question.
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Why us virgin land 😢😢
Your solar installer can not possibly be the best.
They do not use Enphase microinverters.
DC on the roof/string inverter is last-century technology...
Batteries with hybrid inverters do not solve the DC on the roof fire risks.
The danger of a DC arc igniting a fire is real.
Why have DC on the roof at all?
To save money?
You will pay extra for fire insurance.
Over time, savings lost, possibly the house.
LMAO ,,, Can you pay for the microinverters please ,, 3 million houses , 30 panels per house ,, please DONATE 90 MILLION of your pathetic microinverters JUST for QLD
@@tilapiadave3234 Does your comma button have a problem?
@@mb-3faze Yep , it's stuck in your mum
How much slave labor is used to mine the lithium and cobalt to build these batteries. How much is this net zero crap costing taxpayers as a whole.
Libra Energy??? surprised not Tesla Solar
Libra are a brand of women's sanitary products. They have now diversified into soak up electricity?😅😅
They need to mandate a policy where everyone is required to have solar panels, if you are living in an apartment that does not have panels, they they are taxed or have increased power prices. that would force the owners of apartments to install solar. Private homes regardless of income should have solar, meet a minimal energy efficiency quota or be fined or taxed. Also, each house hold should be required to have one EV by 2026. Charging bay and wall battery unit. or be fined or taxed for no-compliance.
Spoken like a true oppressor.
You are nuts.
People are having trouble paying their mortgages so how would they pay for all this.
Also batteries put up home insurace because of fire risk.
Mandate a policy that jails foolish people that make idiotic comments
Australia needs more vanadium redox flow batteries installed.
Thank you.
That's great that's fantastic. Giant lithium boxes. Could you imagine if you could bolt 4 wheels on to the corners of those things? Imagine the lithium mining Bonanza.... Imagine the rare earth's Wall Street commodities investment potential. Musk would be right there cheering on. Everyone would have to trade in their current EVs for the giant lithium boxes on wheels. No other ev types or other storage technologies would work or would even exist. If anyone built a pumped hydro storage Viking would be like "How silly, this doesn't work, this is dangerous... They're using them for bombs in the Ukraine war". 🤪
those bombs are are made using hydrogen Toyotas.
It is hilarious to see Australia go from a world leader in energy efficiency to a third world economy as they try to be politically correct and woke and destroy their coal powered prosperity with renewable swindles... Hahaha Australia, The land down under the green swindle!
Yep, vast wind & solar factories destroying the environment, that's what we need alright. The question is - why?
Because the alternative is vast coal mines and global warming.
You seen an open cut coal mine? They aren’t small.
Why? Because cardon emissions are driving up the global temperature.
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Global warming? Now forecasts of an impending ice age are starting to be made.
I'm not keen on opencut coal either, nuclear has a very small footprint.
But even open cut coal's footprint is minuscule to the massive damage wind & solar are doing.
Omg I’m originally from the switch and I live in Brisbane this is so exciting for them
from memory, it is only up the road a bit.
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Australia is Sunny and Wind Blazing. For the grab. They just dont see it. 😂 Google UK Hinkley Point Cost. Delay 2031. Cost up to 58 Billion US Dollars. Sorry, latest news Cost 90 Billion US Dollars. Delay till 2035. Nucleaire 3 GW Capacity. China has in 2030 Solar 2000 GW. Wind 2000 GW. UK 3 GW Nucleaire Power in 2035. China 4000 GW Solar and Wind Power in 2030.
Batteries are bshit
Spain sunniest country in Europe.
Yet no battery storage due to outdated regulation and no bribes (aka investment support) to utility oligopoly.
For shame.
But at least I found a company that will actually pay you for your surplus solar in full, unlike Endesa etc. Octopus Energy - they're a British company that say they'll pay in full, let you use your surplus to pay the fees and taxes on your bill, and carry any surplus over to following months. Contrast that with Endesa, Iberdrola etc. In the UK they have 8 million customers and are well regarded.
fuark europe
Waste of taxpayers money
Those batteries would last longer if there were shades planned for the installation. The sun isn't going to be very forgiving in near times.
Cover them with solar panels. Or install them underground.
Solar Panels cover is a good idea, underground not, but underground cooling pipes would be good.
Rooftop PV panels shading rooftops adds to the value of rooftop PV 😮😊😊😊😊
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Australia must get off fossil fuels. This will help with Australia's energy security. The cost of oil is causing inflation. Gas and foreign oil must go. Never forget that the federal government is in the fossil fuel business. A tax on a tax.
Afternoon mate
Heard you the first time.
Batteries are needed to end the duck curve and store excess electricity from rooftop solar. So, Queensland is doing what is necessary.
LMAO ,,, do the calcs ,, how long will this pathetic little waste of money ACTUALLY hold full load to an entire system on cloudy windless day? 10 minutes?
Quack quack
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@@tilapiadave3234 How many cloudy days are in sunny Queensland each year? 5?
@@Bio33-lg2bh Oh dear ,,, your a classic example of what is wrong with this discussion , you ACTUALLY know nothing. Please go and educate yourself. Maybe even take a look at solar sunshine world ratings and see the place solar SHOULD actually be put