We have 8kws of Solar and a pure drive energy 10kWh battery. We have a large 4 bed detached house in Scotland, we don't use gas, just electricity . Discounting the feed in Tariff which we get for half our solar the system has cut out energy bill by 50%. We have just switched to a time of day tariff so we can charge the battery off peak when the sun doesn't shine. This will reduce our costs by a further 15%. Personally I think it's money we'll spent. Oh and did I mention we have more than enough solar power left over to run the family EV for half the year?
@@mattx4253 Pay back on the solar is 7 years, out first array is 12 years old and still outputting close to its theoretical maximum. Battery also works as a backup for power cuts. Solar going into the car is displacing petrol which is an even bigger saving, either you work for an oil company or you haven't done your own sums, possibly both.
@@oddjobsandrandomprojects well that’s a pack of lies then. Broke even at 7 years 🤣 even basic maths says that’s not possible even on the old FIT tarrif.
@@oddjobsandrandomprojects oh I bet he was using oil for heating and now he’s using solar and that’s how. Oil or LPG is very expensive so that’s why it’s paid for itself. A very fringe example though. My energy bill in a 4 bed is £130 a month. How can I make a return on £12000 to £15000 of solar and battery? Charing the car is also bullshit as that’s 7p night rate anyway so what’s the point saving 7p
As much as I enjoyed this Video, it was very light on details. No concrete info on battery chemistry, number of cycles, guarantee, pricing etc. Also, this seems like a pretty bog standard system to me. Nothing really new like Sodium Ion batteries or any other innovation worth mentioning.
Guess it was the idea to present one of the friendly butter-and-bread suppliers of home grid installations that people actually can afford and can buy.
Their integration with a number of providers APIs could be a differentiating factor, but unfortunately, like this video, their website seems to be light on the details about the systems.
David, I’m not at all disparaging the idea of installing batteries. Affordable home and small business scale batteries will revolutionize and democratize electricity production and distribution. We keep hearing about sodium and other affordable chemistries.
In Ontario Canada i'am on the ultra low rate program for home EV charging. 11pm to 7am its 2.8cents/kWh 4pm to 9pm its 28.8cents/kWh Rest of the day its 12.2cents/kWh Ultra low rate home charging it costs me about $6.00 per 1000km for my LR Model Y Use my DIY solar system batteries during the 28.8 time and some of the 12.2 time, works great in the summer. In winter not so much, but do load shifting with my 22kWh battery charging at 2.8 to using at 28.8
How nice to have energy supplier competition. Here in the US, other than the state of Texas, there are few states where there is real competition among suppliers. Basically the suppliers are sanctioned monopolies.
@@mischadebrouwer9855 No it doesn't but it is the way things are. I personally think that govts should financially assist and encourage as many homes as possible to produce their own energy. If they did this there would be no need to beef up the grid capacity to homes because of EVs, etc. All the beeotching that utilities are making about how they will have to put in more line capacity and all the millions that will cost would go out the window.
@@mischadebrouwer9855 Corporate profiteers using government to make money is about as American as it gets. The Texas shit show of them not only using government to make profit but to screw consumers with no repercussions is even more so.
@@mischadebrouwer9855 the American way is to claw your way to the top and crush the competition in order to stay there. BUT today's hero is tomorrow's zero.
Puredrive had a bit of a reputation when they were solely Puredrive. I am not suggesting that past performance is indicative of future but worth bearing in mind. With the current "Guidance" which will, in the not too distant future, likely become regulation very few batteries will be able to be installed inside the house. I can think of a a couple that would possibly be acceptable. OFC that's excluding garages. Also worth mentioning is that Duracell is NOT "Duracell Batteries" it's simply a brand name licensing deal. But I wish them well
@@mbuurmei If you were living in Switzerland, Duracell would have rang the bell for sure. I don't know why but alkaline primary cells used to be all over the place here. Covering maglites, watches, toys etc. etc. to drive them.
10kwh per day use seems very low compared to my Australian electricity bill . I thought the average here was around 25kwh. Thanks for the great information 😊
I'm in Australia. I charge my EV at home. I drive approx 25,000km per year. I also have a pool pump running 5hrs per day. My average daily consumption is 26.5kwh.
Maybe that's due to the percentage of Australians who live in large, detached houses with A/C? Relatively few homes in Europe have A/C and most still heat their homes in the winter using gas. I've just checked the Dutch stats, which puts the average at 7.56 kWh/day, but many people here live in flats or terraced houses. The average for a detached house is 11.3 kWh/day. The average gas consumption for a detached house is 35.3 kWh/day, way more than your total Australian power consumption. (Apparently Australian domestic gas consumption is relatively low.) The UK housing stock is notoriously poorly insulated, so their gas consumption is even higher. 31.5 kWh/day(!) for the average UK home, according to Ofgem.
@@FoxInClogs though you cant really compare gas energy use to electricity energy use as once you use a heat pump you will have a heating factor > 1 in almost all cases.
@@davidwebb4904 You are not wrong. I would still prefer to have some idea from the video though. Even going to the Duracell site only give an option to ‘get a quote’.
Been waiting for my 12 year old lead acid battery bank to die to change over to lithium but they just keep on going 👍 Old school, non smart tech but reliable and more DIY friendly 😊
These aren't LFP? What are they, then? I would assume they are LFP, but I don't think he said. Just like he didn't give any other details, or answer any of Imogen's questions in anything like a straightforward manner.
I did a quote. It would only quote me for solar and battery, not just battery. It predicted I would save £105k. Then it said I would save £1886 pm. So it's predicting that the solar and battery would last for 55 years at 100% capacity? Wow, that's a breakthrough in tech! All I want to know is how much a 5kw battery would be.
@@rushja Good panels will still have 80-90% of their power rating after 25-30 years. Batteries usually are only going to do 15 years until they degrade too much, though that will depend on the number of deep cycles.
kilowatts is the rate of using energy. If you want a 5kw output then that is the inverter output rating. Energy is rated in kw.hrs so if a battery was 5kw.hrs then it would supply 1kw for 5 hours or 5kw for 1 hour.
I do often wonder about having everything controlled through a third party hosting. I assume you have to pay a monthly fee to Pure Drive for all this remote management? What would happen if they go bust?
FiT tariff here, paid 5.6k cash for my 4kw solar system. It will pay for itself after 8 years between energy savings and payments back to my account. All battery storage options i have explored were not financially affordable (in my own situation). I don't own an electric car yet....
But you do understand that there is different battery chemistry and that the AA batteries have materialwise basically nothing to do with the mentioned batteries? Or did you just tried to be funny?
We had a power supply cable fail. Took three days to fix. House ran off-grid from our PV + Tesla Powerwall for the entire period (fortunately we had three sunny days!). Explaining to our DNO that we had no power but the house was running OK blew a few brain fuses at their end:) The alternative would have been a smelly generator in the drive:(
I have a Sungrow 12.5kwh. It usually lasts the evening but the airconditioner drains it in a couple of hours when we have to run it. The battery is modular so you can add to it but the extra modules are expensive.
Say you add a 10kWh battery and you can charge it fully from solar 250 days of the year. Our rate from Octopus is about 30p per kWp. That means there's 10kWh I don't buy from Octopus every day. So £3 per day and £750 per year. I looked up the price for a 10KWh battery and it's over £6k ex VAT. Let's call that £7500 Inc installation. And more if you're not a business. That means a payback of 10 years. I think I'll wait for the prices to come down some more.
Payback is one way to view it, alternatively, you would be doing amazingly well if you invested £10k in an income/yielding product that gave you the equivalent benefit of £750 / yr after tax.
@@nickbea3443 the less I pay for grid power, the less I need this battery. I don't have a variable tariff. We are a business with a lot of usage and they weren't keen on offering us one.
@@ps.2 i have factored in the payback on the panels separately. They pay pay in 5-6 years. The battery is a marginal addition with its own payback now. And we easily use 10kWh overnight. Actually a lot more.
It's not correct that this product is the only one which can be wall mounted or stacked. I work for an installer and we do Pylontech batteries , which can be wall mounted or stacked in a server rack.
What is the lifespan of a battery pack ? Why sell it back to the grid when you could use the energy from the battery instead of buying energy from one of the many suppliers, you could also get rid of the meter that would save money from a standing charge which is a con in itself.
@@KavanOBrienLFP battery (lithium ferrophosphate) is a type of lithium-ion battery using lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO 4) as the cathode material, and a graphitic carbon electrode with a metallic backing as the anode
I've been thinking about adding a battery system to my house. I currently pay 6¢/kw from 9pm to 5pm, then 24¢ between 5pm and 9pm. If I had a decent battery, I could set up a switch that would automatically move me from grid to battery for those 4 hours every day and then charge the battery back up when the power is cheap. That would also give me a battery backup if the grid goes down. I can DIY a 15kwh battery pretty easily from a kit for about $2200. It'd take a long time to recoup the cost, but I'd never have to worry about the grid going down (which happens occasionally where I live). Then I can add solar to it as I get the money.
@@VinoVeritas_ I hope you have actual evidence that would stand up to scrutiny in a court of law. If not, you just committed libel, and you can be taken to court. Perhaps you should indulge in more veritas, and a little less vino.
The Tesla Powerwall 3 spec is exactly what we need. Someone must make an exact equivalent for half that price. Someone else must provide a service to reliably install it. I'm waiting.
how many kwhs can the battery be expected to provide over the course of its lifetime? what's the amortized cost per kwh compared to a gas or propane generator backup?
The production trail of the "petrol" or "gas" supply really needs to be properly expressed and in short format so we can type it in these RUclips comments en masse and regularly. Add to this the production trail of any combustion engine plus gearboxes/ autos/ differentials etc Including materials and where the metals come from / weights and fluids and , production machinery costs and labor etc etc etc you get the idea. A Quick synapse of this in total would look awesome and if it could show comparison to electric motor/ battery/ converter production etc i think the unconverted gasheads would see the advantage. If they could read.
Would love a solar battery to go with our system, but they are still too expensive once the installation costs are taken into account. No subsidies here in NZ. Based on our annual power bill (we own 2 EVs) it would take 30 years to offset the upfront cost.
When I think of Duracell batteries, two things spring to mind => average performance, and a high price premium. Neither of those things would tempt me towards this product/service. I have analysed my electricity smart meter data (our daily domestic consumption is 10-15kwh) and spent considerable time doing the calculations regarding battery storage. Breakeven doesn't occur until 7-9 years (without solar), by which time the batteries are likely to have lost 30% of their usable capacity. For me, the numbers don't stack up yet.
Not sure what he meant when he said Lithium doesn't work at all at zero degrees. Lithium battery powered cars have been bombing around in sub-zero temperatures for years and that includes the Nissan Leaf which has no thermal management.
I am deeply skeptical, not especially of this product or other home energy storage systems, but of the market. When I bought my solar system a decade ago, I was told that my bills would be slashed because effectively I could use the grid as a kind of battery. Now I'm told that my bills will rise either because I deliver to the grid or because my usage is low. So I need to invest roughly the same again for a battery system that has roughly the same life expectancy as my panels. I also fully expect that the utility companies will penalize me still further. Eventually being off grid will be the only way to get out of their reach. I would like to see grid based storage that can even out the supply and demand. For example the pumped storage system in North Wales. This would allow society to benefit from the cleaner energy we solar owners provide, without punishing us for daring to supply.
It will be interesting, Having the ability to operate without the grid if need be is probably the real core benefit. Who knows how reliable the grid will be in the future? Lots of talk of lack of transmission pylon lines for distribution as demand grows.
That's not really correct. You could add an GivEnergy AIO AC Coupled for maybe £6500ish. You could, depending on heating hot water, add a solar immersion diverter for £500ish Unless you receive FIT payments that are based on actual generation then this wouldn't have any impact of your export payments. If you do receive FIT with an actual export component then you would need to look at the pence/kwh you receive. Failing that get yourself onto a decent energy tariff with a decent Export Tariff (NOT just standard SEG) you could export for 15p/kwh with Octopus, 16p i think with EON/EDF (not sure which and there are conditions to satisfy). . However I do agree that there is something 'we' could do differently. Instead of building Wind Farms/Solar Farms (like Ripple or Octopus something-or-other). We could build "community" funded battery storage and everyone can buy shares and receive discounts on their bills.
Agree, late stage capitalism won't allow a penny of profit to get out of its reach. Have you ever asked an energy supplier to explain why the standing charge is so high? You sure do get some professional-grade BS as a reply.
While not exactly "late" to the market, there are already half a dozen established products out there that companies should start integrating with. I won't buy Duracell AC-coupled if it won't work with my existing solar+battery set up, for example.
Standards are important - as the cells are all LFP chemistries and most likely 48V 16S. Batteries should be interchangeable, interoperable and infinitely expandable. It's only the BMS controllers, monitoring and integration electronics that are proprietary and make integration more difficult than necessary. However, a winner will emerge from the explosion of wannabees in due course, but only if they embrace open standards.
Cosmetics aside, why not buy battery rack(s) and something like EG4 48V nominal 100Ah LFP 7000-cycle batteries (up to 6 batteries per rack)? These run around $200 per KWh, plus costs of cabling. Then (for U.S for 120V/240V) use an EG4 6000XP (no grid feed), or for hybrid (grid back-feed) outdoor-capable EG4 12K (12KW panels, 8KW inverter), or EG4 18K (18KW panels, 12K inverter). Everything else seems a lot more expensive these days. DIY systems are attainable for many - dramatically cutting costs. Just use a qualified electrician for the grid connection. You can even do your own permit applications for grid back-feed.
Maybe modern new build houses consume 10kWh/day. I live in Norway and even with heat pumps a more realistic figure for a 150m2 house is more like 50kWh!
What are the economics like for batteries if you don't have your own solar and still have to get the juice off the grid. If you put yourself on the right tariff to recharge overnight is it worth it?
I'd say if you buy a hybrid inverter and batteries at the best price and install yourself then its better than just solar on its own. I wouldn't install just solar and expect to make worthwhile savings.
what i don't understand is how come they just don't use iron air batteries for home storage. seems like the ideal situation for at least grid backup. even though they maybe only 50% efficient. buying grid power is cheap and iron air batteries cost only $2 to $5 per kwh, so a home system for say 1 megawatt hour should only cost a few thousand and should be able to power a home for a month or more without power in the event of a prolonged power outage.
All sounds very good but some examples with costs of installation and the savings would of been useful. I installed solar at a cost of 7.7k 2011 get paid now 61ppkWh. This paid for its self in approx 5 years. What I get now more than covers any I import. Great for me because everyone else is subsidising it. Usual thing those that can afford it make the money those that can't pay for it. The system is wrong even though I am benefiting from it.
04:50 - "I recommend a mix" - what exactly is he talking about here? PS The question was asking if it was worth using a battery without solar. Not sure what he's mixing.
Hmm ... but is this notion of home battery storage increasing throughout UK, or just an idea for a program? Plus a gag from Imogen ref stacked cells ... "so you could, potentially". Not bad Imogen ... who knew!
You are right, in fact no out of the box hybrid inverter would do that as they must be anti-islanding during a power cut to avoid back feeding to the grid. Unless you genuinely have an issue with power cuts (personally I can't remember the last one I had) or you own a tin-foil hat, then its not worth paying for an automatic change over set-up which is the only way to do it.
Shame you can't install these on your own. Like say just plug one in and maybe put the solar panel in the garden(so avoiding having to go up a ladder to stick one on the roof etc etc) :D If it was - just order one off Amazon/online etc etc then have a easy setup then I'd do it today :D All sounds good tho 👍
About twice the price for other LFP batteries. How can he know what homeowners need? I got a 43 kWh 6000 Cycles LFP battery i made myself and even if it's almost 2 years ago since i bought the cells from a well known and respected trader in China, my battery are at 1/3 the price pr. kWh. Shake that moneymaker.
You either make one of your conferences to central Europe (Vienna, Prague, Bratislava, Budapest), or I move myself to UK, start working in Eco industry to get my 0.001% chance that Imogen comes to interview me one day!
Batteries to save energy from solar panels is a fantastic idea. But, the problem starts with people charging their batteries with cheap overnight energy to then use during the day. Energy suppliers will start losing money quickly and then scrap cheap rate tariffs which some people rely on for EV charging. As always, the rich can afford to jump on the bandwagon and save lots of money until the market crashes, while the average person will end up paying for it when the cheap tariffs disappear.
This is incorrect. The energy is provided at a cheap rate overnight as it is excess available whilst demand is low, and because demand is lower it is sold by the national grid at a cheaper rate than it is supplied at. The energy then being sent back to the grid during daytime from the likes of solar owners (residential properties) is paid by the energy suppliers at a cost far lower than would be from other suppliers (non sustainable resources) therefore energy suppliers (in my case Octopus) still save considerable money and make profit. If I buy from the grid in the daytime then it’s about 27p/kWh, but Octopus buy my solar supply at 15p/kWh. I’m sure if night time demand gets too great compared to excess available then prices will climb slightly. As it is, they are just reducing again in July to 7p/kWh.
No. it helps the system or they would not do it. If they do not buy from you and your battery, they have to pay to fire up a big, usually gas, entire power station. This is very expensive, having a whole plant built that is only used parts of a day. I suspect they are paying a fraction of what their alternatives are when they need peak power capacity, so are making loads out of it. Same with selling cheap, the always on power stations would have to be turned off or the power 'thrown away' otherwise.
Sod giving to the grid, and waiting for them to pay out nope. I have a shed with 300v worth of batteries and inverters. It, runs all my lights TVs phones tablets and more none of which comes from my house incoming power. I save over £890 a year in bills. All the build cost paid already
Would love solar and battery but we rent and our landlord won’t want to fork out the cost of a system.. we have an ev, and ohme home pro , which the landlord let us have installed at our expense, fair enough . We’re on octopus I.G tariff which is soon to decrease their off peak unit charge .. even if I could get just battery storage installed to charge at night off peak for use during the day would save me money!
I found some of the comments in this wrong and a very poor choice. In the UK we will always have time of use tariffs, secondly it makes perfect sense to have batteries in your property without solar, also the impact of having your batteries outside are negligible. I don’t like bold sweeping statements, it’s more of a fossil fuel thing. There will be people watching this thinking of just installing batteries, people who like in flats or who rent who cannot have solar and you may have just talked them out of it.
@EverythingElectricShow I know this is a "product showcase episode" and as such, it is just fine. But can you please make feel a little less like reading a FAQ page from a vendor's web site?
The thing to now consider is utility companies are beginning to whine about lost profits and are charging customers that 'push' their excess solar/wind/whatever production into the grid as a way of paying for their system expenditures. Pay attention and consider that only building a system large enough to serve your needs may be the wiser choice.
interesting video,BUT no mention as to whether they are ac or dc coupled batteries,combined with him quoting the savings on a artifically high price of 44p per kwh (although he never said the actual unit cost), plus only 600 installers for the UK ??, where am i going to find a super duper "platinuim installer " oop here in cumbria ??, and of course no mention of price, plus he claimed average solar installs of 10kw, who has that roof size ??, certainly not new build rabbit hutches aka houses, its a no for me, better alternatives out there already
Imogen is so distractingly gorgeous that it is no wonder the interviewee fails to remember any important details 😉 What was the chemistry? C-rating? Does it all keep working in a powercut? Pure sine-wave inverter? 3-phase or 2-phase?
Since when was the average electricity bill £1600 a year? He mentions 10kWh/day, 3650kWh/year, then equates that to £1600 a year, which is beyond ridiculous. Take out the standing charges and he's still saying almost 40p/kWh, which is 70% above the current price cap.
Pretty much since the last few years. When OFGEM announces price caps and Martin Lewis talks utility bills its "usually" around the £1300 mark. So the numbers are not a million miles off. For reference today we Generated 30kw, Used 13kw, Exported 17kw and Drew 2kw from Grid, some of that was use beyond the capability of the inverter to provide from the battery/solar. 10kw electric shower and dinner/tea time when too many appliances running at once
Pay back time? Seems a bit daft to say someone is going to save money after having to whack out a few thousands up front and not know what the future tarrifs might be.
Yes it is odd to me how there is the obsession with saving money. I want them as it is a good thing to do and to have close to power independence, as you say we do not know what the future holds! Along with the occasional rare power cut which is very annoying. Really do not care how it works out money wise.
You can only make guestimates based on current rates. You could get a Tesla Powerwall 3 installed (reasonably close to the Consumer Unit) for about £7000-£7500. That's 13kw usueable plus includes a integrated hybrid solar inverter. I would guess that a "typical" family would be able to load shift 90% of their energy use. So charge at 10p rather than 30p (rates are estimates and differ across the UK). So based on 67% saving of £1000year then payback would be 10 years. If rates go up then payback comes down. Add solar into that then you probably add £4-£5k.
@@oddjobsandrandomprojects Well I certainly do have a job understanding what you're trying to type. As far as I can discern all you do is deflect. No percentages to prove sales of battery EVs are in decline. It's as if you can't admit you haven't a clue. That'll be it.
there are hundreds of battery systems out there in 2024 which are capable of using single modules or stacking modules. Sorry imho the video is a hoax...
For reasons best know to the industry, they won't stop conflating PV solar panels and battery storage. GB is not Arizona, most renewables come from big offshore wind farms.
Better get these things in before someone wakes up in local government and starts asking for serious fire prevention requirements. Having some twit put a pick axe through a lithium battery and starting a thermal run away would be bad for the house its attached to... and probably their neighbours.... oh , and walking shots are boring :)
Already updated guidance been produced based on UK/EU fires which have been 90%+ from uncertified (TUV/CE etc) Chinese Imports of E-Scooters, E-Bikes, Batteries and Chargers. Most recent I saw was a German house blew up and he was using cheap cheap Chinese inverter + batteries. Fire incidents of well installed, and fully certified, equipment and batteries is very very rare.
Bad presentation.. Not current.. As Batyteri development is going at breakneck speed.. Most house sawyers are looking for cheap storage opportunities! And not Expensive concepts.. As well as With safe battery solutions.. And simple battery structures such as Na batteries.. !! Maybe duracell is trying to trick us into using an expensive concept because the presentation is priceless🤔🤔🤔🤔
"if fossil fuel use is growing at its fastest ever rate" - which is not happening. Fossil fuel use appears to be plateauing, even if this year's emissions are slightly more than last year.
Yada Yada Yada blah blah blah. Just another battery seller, couldn't see any real difference to any other system, definately not a game changer like the graphic claims.
If battery suppliers really wanted to help the planet then they would lobby for large scale battery systems as part of an energy strategy to even out demand and not to encourage small scale, large volume sales to individual households where the cost of systems plus installation results in poor value £/kWh. But hey, that's consumerism for you - pandering to the individual rather than benefit society.
@@ianhamilton3113 Who invented that word conspiracy? So if I think someting is fishy it doesn't feel right I am in the conspiracy bracket.Jordan Maxwell used to say think the opposite what they want you to believe.
@@mikeselectricstuff Such as the new range of Kia's you mean? Pretty sure Volkswagen are onboard with it as well, so yeah... Be nice to get an update video on what's going on here, and when the public will be finally able to make use of this tech, especially as Octopus is already looking at VPP via the power wall 3
Oh, night rate will be around a bit longer with all these stupid nuclear contracts being signed all over the world lately. Give it a few more years and true renewable energy will be no more then tolerated on the grid. The Belgian energy regulator just announced renewable energy will be shut down in favour of ‘regular’ production when needed this summer. ‘Of course nobody can expect us to stop a nuclear power plant, right?’ Western capitalists gave it some thought, found a new way to make a profit, convinced their right wing politician puppets to lobby for it, who pored some ‘divide and conquer’ sause over it, and the racist masses voted for it.
It sounds incredibly dystopian that have to think about what sort of API their inverter has rather than it just being a thing that you forget even exists.
@@torginus sadly... I can think of a few "cloud" connected devices that have suffered this fate. From e-bikes and cars to light bulbs and speakers, it happens with alarming regularity these days. Worst case is the device is bricked. Best case is someone takes over the API service or provides an open source version you can run locally. Generally speaking, you just lose some features that may have been a selling point as in this case with the tariff tracking feature.
@@markbenson4263 Sure but I'd prefer a device that has no app, no API, no network connectivity, you just turn it on, and it works, like a dishwasher or a furnace.
@@torginus there is a good chance it probably works in that mode when it can't get data from its API but it isn't going to track "agile" tariffs where they set demand pricing.
We have 8kws of Solar and a pure drive energy 10kWh battery. We have a large 4 bed detached house in Scotland, we don't use gas, just electricity . Discounting the feed in Tariff which we get for half our solar the system has cut out energy bill by 50%. We have just switched to a time of day tariff so we can charge the battery off peak when the sun doesn't shine. This will reduce our costs by a further 15%. Personally I think it's money we'll spent. Oh and did I mention we have more than enough solar power left over to run the family EV for half the year?
its a terrible investment. you must be insane. the payback sucks and the savings are trivial for the investment.
@@mattx4253 Pay back on the solar is 7 years, out first array is 12 years old and still outputting close to its theoretical maximum. Battery also works as a backup for power cuts. Solar going into the car is displacing petrol which is an even bigger saving, either you work for an oil company or you haven't done your own sums, possibly both.
@@pauldenney7908 in what country?
@@oddjobsandrandomprojects well that’s a pack of lies then. Broke even at 7 years 🤣 even basic maths says that’s not possible even on the old FIT tarrif.
@@oddjobsandrandomprojects oh I bet he was using oil for heating and now he’s using solar and that’s how. Oil or LPG is very expensive so that’s why it’s paid for itself. A very fringe example though. My energy bill in a 4 bed is £130 a month. How can I make a return on £12000 to £15000 of solar and battery? Charing the car is also bullshit as that’s 7p night rate anyway so what’s the point saving 7p
As much as I enjoyed this Video, it was very light on details. No concrete info on battery chemistry, number of cycles, guarantee, pricing etc.
Also, this seems like a pretty bog standard system to me. Nothing really new like Sodium Ion batteries or any other innovation worth mentioning.
Guess it was the idea to present one of the friendly butter-and-bread suppliers of home grid installations that people actually can afford and can buy.
More of an Ad than anything remotely informative.
Cost!
Their integration with a number of providers APIs could be a differentiating factor, but unfortunately, like this video, their website seems to be light on the details about the systems.
5.1kWh LiFePO4. 1c charge and 1c discharge. Datasheet is on their website.
The product is very affordable. Its the cost of the installers and bureaucracy that kills the idea for most.
Home batteries are between 5 to 7 times more expensive than the same thing in a car. Make that make sense!
@@DeveloperChris Tesla battery modules $100/KW.
In the US, Powerwalls are still about $900/kwh installed
@@freeheeler09 That's why you learn to build your own
David, I’m not at all disparaging the idea of installing batteries. Affordable home and small business scale batteries will revolutionize and democratize electricity production and distribution. We keep hearing about sodium and other affordable chemistries.
In Ontario Canada i'am on the ultra low rate program for home EV charging.
11pm to 7am its 2.8cents/kWh
4pm to 9pm its 28.8cents/kWh
Rest of the day its 12.2cents/kWh
Ultra low rate home charging it costs me about $6.00 per 1000km for my LR Model Y
Use my DIY solar system batteries during the 28.8 time and some of the 12.2 time, works great in the summer.
In winter not so much, but do load shifting with my 22kWh battery charging at 2.8 to using at 28.8
How nice to have energy supplier competition. Here in the US, other than the state of Texas, there are few states where there is real competition among suppliers. Basically the suppliers are sanctioned monopolies.
That doesn't sound very American...
@@mischadebrouwer9855 No it doesn't but it is the way things are. I personally think that govts should financially assist and encourage as many homes as possible to produce their own energy. If they did this there would be no need to beef up the grid capacity to homes because of EVs, etc. All the beeotching that utilities are making about how they will have to put in more line capacity and all the millions that will cost would go out the window.
Same as UK really. It's a perceived competition.
@@mischadebrouwer9855 Corporate profiteers using government to make money is about as American as it gets. The Texas shit show of them not only using government to make profit but to screw consumers with no repercussions is even more so.
@@mischadebrouwer9855 the American way is to claw your way to the top and crush the competition in order to stay there. BUT today's hero is tomorrow's zero.
Puredrive had a bit of a reputation when they were solely Puredrive. I am not suggesting that past performance is indicative of future but worth bearing in mind.
With the current "Guidance" which will, in the not too distant future, likely become regulation very few batteries will be able to be installed inside the house. I can think of a a couple that would possibly be acceptable. OFC that's excluding garages.
Also worth mentioning is that Duracell is NOT "Duracell Batteries" it's simply a brand name licensing deal.
But I wish them well
"Pure Drive Energy. Duracell. Two names we recognise." Well that statement is half right in my case. 🙂
Duracell didn't ring a bell ;-)
@@mbuurmei If you were living in Switzerland, Duracell would have rang the bell for sure. I don't know why but alkaline primary cells used to be all over the place here. Covering maglites, watches, toys etc. etc. to drive them.
Same…
@@beatreutelerit's called sarcasm champ.
I know right ? Who the hell are Duracell ?
10kwh per day use seems very low compared to my Australian electricity bill . I thought the average here was around 25kwh.
Thanks for the great information 😊
I'm in Australia. I charge my EV at home. I drive approx 25,000km per year. I also have a pool pump running 5hrs per day. My average daily consumption is 26.5kwh.
Maybe that's due to the percentage of Australians who live in large, detached houses with A/C?
Relatively few homes in Europe have A/C and most still heat their homes in the winter using gas.
I've just checked the Dutch stats, which puts the average at 7.56 kWh/day, but many people here live in flats or terraced houses.
The average for a detached house is 11.3 kWh/day.
The average gas consumption for a detached house is 35.3 kWh/day, way more than your total Australian power consumption. (Apparently Australian domestic gas consumption is relatively low.)
The UK housing stock is notoriously poorly insulated, so their gas consumption is even higher.
31.5 kWh/day(!) for the average UK home, according to Ofgem.
@@FoxInClogs though you cant really compare gas energy use to electricity energy use as once you use a heat pump you will have a heating factor > 1 in almost all cases.
Most homes in the UK have gas and use the gas for heating.
I guess you are using it for heating / cooling. plus you have th ehighest co2 per capita usage of any country in the world
Did I miss an indication of pricing?
If you have to ask, then you cannot afford one.
80kWh is the size of a car battery, which is >20kEur?
@@frankfahrenheit9537 I doubt most customers would be purchasing maximum capacity though.
@@davidwebb4904 You are not wrong. I would still prefer to have some idea from the video though. Even going to the Duracell site only give an option to ‘get a quote’.
Been waiting for my 12 year old lead acid battery bank to die to change over to lithium but they just keep on going 👍 Old school, non smart tech but reliable and more DIY friendly 😊
I would prefer LFP batteries for home storage, if I was making that commitment.
These aren't LFP? What are they, then? I would assume they are LFP, but I don't think he said.
Just like he didn't give any other details, or answer any of Imogen's questions in anything like a straightforward manner.
@@ps.2yeah, got impatient waiting for details and just gave my comment!
My PureDrive batteries are Lithium iron phosphate
So is this PureDrive technology with Duracell branding?
So funny. I just thought I’d check out my home usage on my power wall for the day and it was exactly 10kwh!
Jeeze..I've used 65 KWH. But I'm in Florida and AC is like 55% of that
I did a quote. It would only quote me for solar and battery, not just battery. It predicted I would save £105k. Then it said I would save £1886 pm. So it's predicting that the solar and battery would last for 55 years at 100% capacity? Wow, that's a breakthrough in tech! All I want to know is how much a 5kw battery would be.
You mix up per year and per month. £1886 pm is 55 months and not years
@@MarcoKremer oh yeah, my bad! 4.5 years then. The apps maths seems as confused as mine. Aren't solar panels supposed to last for 25 years?
@@rushja
Good panels will still have 80-90% of their power rating after 25-30 years. Batteries usually are only going to do 15 years until they degrade too much, though that will depend on the number of deep cycles.
kilowatts is the rate of using energy. If you want a 5kw output then that is the inverter output rating. Energy is rated in kw.hrs so if a battery was 5kw.hrs then it would supply 1kw for 5 hours or 5kw for 1 hour.
@@62Skins that's great, thanks for the information, but I want to know how much the battery costs
I do often wonder about having everything controlled through a third party hosting. I assume you have to pay a monthly fee to Pure Drive for all this remote management?
What would happen if they go bust?
FiT tariff here, paid 5.6k cash for my 4kw solar system. It will pay for itself after 8 years between energy savings and payments back to my account. All battery storage options i have explored were not financially affordable (in my own situation). I don't own an electric car yet....
I hope Duracell storage batteries don’t leak like their AA batteries do.
I did notice that the Duracell booth at everything electric wasn't visited too much
Hah ;D Cute, but true :P With AAs, my Duracells always leak without fail, Energizers, never.
@@PythosianMan Precisely my experience
Or leak like my old ice car
But you do understand that there is different battery chemistry and that the AA batteries have materialwise basically nothing to do with the mentioned batteries? Or did you just tried to be funny?
Ah ha! That powercut thing again! I've had 1 powercut in 25 years!
We had a power supply cable fail. Took three days to fix. House ran off-grid from our PV + Tesla Powerwall for the entire period (fortunately we had three sunny days!). Explaining to our DNO that we had no power but the house was running OK blew a few brain fuses at their end:) The alternative would have been a smelly generator in the drive:(
I have a Sungrow 12.5kwh. It usually lasts the evening but the airconditioner drains it in a couple of hours when we have to run it. The battery is modular so you can add to it but the extra modules are expensive.
this product looks like sungrow rebadged!
Say you add a 10kWh battery and you can charge it fully from solar 250 days of the year. Our rate from Octopus is about 30p per kWp. That means there's 10kWh I don't buy from Octopus every day. So £3 per day and £750 per year.
I looked up the price for a 10KWh battery and it's over £6k ex VAT. Let's call that £7500 Inc installation. And more if you're not a business.
That means a payback of 10 years.
I think I'll wait for the prices to come down some more.
30p/kWh! Try 7.5 and soon to be 7p kWh by choosing a better tariff. Buy cheap power at night and sell PV at double that price during the day.
Payback is one way to view it, alternatively, you would be doing amazingly well if you invested £10k in an income/yielding product that gave you the equivalent benefit of £750 / yr after tax.
@@nickbea3443 the less I pay for grid power, the less I need this battery. I don't have a variable tariff. We are a business with a lot of usage and they weren't keen on offering us one.
A payback of 10 years _if your solar panels were free,_ and if you actually use 10 kWh per day during periods your panels are not producing energy.
@@ps.2 i have factored in the payback on the panels separately. They pay pay in 5-6 years. The battery is a marginal addition with its own payback now. And we easily use 10kWh overnight. Actually a lot more.
It's not correct that this product is the only one which can be wall mounted or stacked. I work for an installer and we do Pylontech batteries , which can be wall mounted or stacked in a server rack.
What is the lifespan of a battery pack ? Why sell it back to the grid when you could use the energy from the battery instead of buying energy from one of the many suppliers, you could also get rid of the meter that would save money from a standing charge which is a con in itself.
Batteries with LFP chemistry should be good for 20 years if not longer.
@@crm114. What does LFP mean ?
Wrong channel try joe rogan for smooth brained commentary.
Sell high, buy low
@@KavanOBrienLFP battery (lithium ferrophosphate) is a type of lithium-ion battery using lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO
4) as the cathode material, and a graphitic carbon electrode with a metallic backing as the anode
I've been thinking about adding a battery system to my house. I currently pay 6¢/kw from 9pm to 5pm, then 24¢ between 5pm and 9pm. If I had a decent battery, I could set up a switch that would automatically move me from grid to battery for those 4 hours every day and then charge the battery back up when the power is cheap. That would also give me a battery backup if the grid goes down. I can DIY a 15kwh battery pretty easily from a kit for about $2200. It'd take a long time to recoup the cost, but I'd never have to worry about the grid going down (which happens occasionally where I live). Then I can add solar to it as I get the money.
How to differentiate this from Giv-energy, Myenergi, etc?
It's based on who gave them a backhander this month. There's no integrity on this channel.
@@VinoVeritas_ I hope you have actual evidence that would stand up to scrutiny in a court of law. If not, you just committed libel, and you can be taken to court. Perhaps you should indulge in more veritas, and a little less vino.
@@stephen-boddy Hahaha 🤣😂
The inverter in the background looked suspiciously like a rebranded GivEnergy one now you mention it.
@@stephen-boddythese are product placements. They used to tell us that what they were doing. Now they don’t even bother
This is what I need
The Tesla Powerwall 3 spec is exactly what we need. Someone must make an exact equivalent for half that price. Someone else must provide a service to reliably install it. I'm waiting.
Can they connect the battery to the EV with DC or AC for charging and V2H. This will help the household and the grid.
Was this video sponcered by Durecel
Who’d buy a duracell battery given how often they leak!
how many kwhs can the battery be expected to provide over the course of its lifetime? what's the amortized cost per kwh compared to a gas or propane generator backup?
The production trail of the "petrol" or "gas" supply really needs to be properly expressed and in short format so we can type it in these RUclips comments en masse and regularly.
Add to this the production trail of any combustion engine plus gearboxes/ autos/ differentials etc
Including materials and where the metals come from / weights and fluids and , production machinery costs and labor etc etc etc you get the idea.
A Quick synapse of this in total would look awesome and if it could show comparison to electric motor/ battery/ converter production etc i think the unconverted gasheads would see the advantage. If they could read.
Would love a solar battery to go with our system, but they are still too expensive once the installation costs are taken into account. No subsidies here in NZ. Based on our annual power bill (we own 2 EVs) it would take 30 years to offset the upfront cost.
When I think of Duracell batteries, two things spring to mind => average performance, and a high price premium. Neither of those things would tempt me towards this product/service. I have analysed my electricity smart meter data (our daily domestic consumption is 10-15kwh) and spent considerable time doing the calculations regarding battery storage. Breakeven doesn't occur until 7-9 years (without solar), by which time the batteries are likely to have lost 30% of their usable capacity. For me, the numbers don't stack up yet.
Not sure what he meant when he said Lithium doesn't work at all at zero degrees. Lithium battery powered cars have been bombing around in sub-zero temperatures for years and that includes the Nissan Leaf which has no thermal management.
I think you shouldn't charge them if the battery is at sub-zero but discharge works fine, just a bit less efficient.
I am deeply skeptical, not especially of this product or other home energy storage systems, but of the market. When I bought my solar system a decade ago, I was told that my bills would be slashed because effectively I could use the grid as a kind of battery. Now I'm told that my bills will rise either because I deliver to the grid or because my usage is low. So I need to invest roughly the same again for a battery system that has roughly the same life expectancy as my panels. I also fully expect that the utility companies will penalize me still further. Eventually being off grid will be the only way to get out of their reach. I would like to see grid based storage that can even out the supply and demand. For example the pumped storage system in North Wales. This would allow society to benefit from the cleaner energy we solar owners provide, without punishing us for daring to supply.
It will be interesting, Having the ability to operate without the grid if need be is probably the real core benefit. Who knows how reliable the grid will be in the future? Lots of talk of lack of transmission pylon lines for distribution as demand grows.
That's not really correct. You could add an GivEnergy AIO AC Coupled for maybe £6500ish.
You could, depending on heating hot water, add a solar immersion diverter for £500ish
Unless you receive FIT payments that are based on actual generation then this wouldn't have any impact of your export payments. If you do receive FIT with an actual export component then you would need to look at the pence/kwh you receive.
Failing that get yourself onto a decent energy tariff with a decent Export Tariff (NOT just standard SEG) you could export for 15p/kwh with Octopus, 16p i think with EON/EDF (not sure which and there are conditions to satisfy).
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However I do agree that there is something 'we' could do differently. Instead of building Wind Farms/Solar Farms (like Ripple or Octopus something-or-other). We could build "community" funded battery storage and everyone can buy shares and receive discounts on their bills.
Agree, late stage capitalism won't allow a penny of profit to get out of its reach. Have you ever asked an energy supplier to explain why the standing charge is so high? You sure do get some professional-grade BS as a reply.
While not exactly "late" to the market, there are already half a dozen established products out there that companies should start integrating with. I won't buy Duracell AC-coupled if it won't work with my existing solar+battery set up, for example.
Standards are important - as the cells are all LFP chemistries and most likely 48V 16S. Batteries should be interchangeable, interoperable and infinitely expandable.
It's only the BMS controllers, monitoring and integration electronics that are proprietary and make integration more difficult than necessary.
However, a winner will emerge from the explosion of wannabees in due course, but only if they embrace open standards.
Cosmetics aside, why not buy battery rack(s) and something like EG4 48V nominal 100Ah LFP 7000-cycle batteries (up to 6 batteries per rack)?
These run around $200 per KWh, plus costs of cabling.
Then (for U.S for 120V/240V) use an EG4 6000XP (no grid feed), or for hybrid (grid back-feed) outdoor-capable EG4 12K (12KW panels, 8KW inverter), or EG4 18K (18KW panels, 12K inverter).
Everything else seems a lot more expensive these days.
DIY systems are attainable for many - dramatically cutting costs. Just use a qualified electrician for the grid connection. You can even do your own permit applications for grid back-feed.
Probably only available for one phase systems?
Still waiting for more LTO storage options and portable packs with LTO.
Maybe modern new build houses consume 10kWh/day. I live in Norway and even with heat pumps a more realistic figure for a 150m2 house is more like 50kWh!
Can a battery module run the lawn mower, or add solar electricity to the electric car?
Yes, via a hybrid inverter.
@@martyndavies1482 so then the appliance (the car in this case) would have the inverter, and room to place or stack the batteries?
What are the economics like for batteries if you don't have your own solar and still have to get the juice off the grid. If you put yourself on the right tariff to recharge overnight is it worth it?
I'd say if you buy a hybrid inverter and batteries at the best price and install yourself then its better than just solar on its own. I wouldn't install just solar and expect to make worthwhile savings.
what i don't understand is how come they just don't use iron air batteries for home storage. seems like the ideal situation for at least grid backup. even though they maybe only 50% efficient. buying grid power is cheap and iron air batteries cost only $2 to $5 per kwh, so a home system for say 1 megawatt hour should only cost a few thousand and should be able to power a home for a month or more without power in the event of a prolonged power outage.
Not sure those figures for consumption average house are right though.
Is going off-grid really a great goal to have? I’d rather help the grid be greener and better, and home batteries can be an amazing help to the grid
All sounds very good but some examples with costs of installation and the savings would of been useful. I installed solar at a cost of 7.7k 2011 get paid now 61ppkWh. This paid for its self in approx 5 years. What I get now more than covers any I import. Great for me because everyone else is subsidising it. Usual thing those that can afford it make the money those that can't pay for it. The system is wrong even though I am benefiting from it.
04:50 - "I recommend a mix" - what exactly is he talking about here?
PS The question was asking if it was worth using a battery without solar. Not sure what he's mixing.
Thanks
i have a 52kw battery sitting in my driveway....lets use our EVs for home battery storage.
Yes, that helps. It's not the complete solution.
Hmm ... but is this notion of home battery storage increasing throughout UK, or just an idea for a program?
Plus a gag from Imogen ref stacked cells ... "so you could, potentially".
Not bad Imogen ... who knew!
outstanding information
i think im right in saying that not all home batteries protect you during a power cut. check the details before you take that as a given advantage.
You are right, in fact no out of the box hybrid inverter would do that as they must be anti-islanding during a power cut to avoid back feeding to the grid. Unless you genuinely have an issue with power cuts (personally I can't remember the last one I had) or you own a tin-foil hat, then its not worth paying for an automatic change over set-up which is the only way to do it.
good game!! see how often we can show and say duracell....
Shame you can't install these on your own. Like say just plug one in and maybe put the solar panel in the garden(so avoiding having to go up a ladder to stick one on the roof etc etc) :D If it was - just order one off Amazon/online etc etc then have a easy setup then I'd do it today :D All sounds good tho 👍
About twice the price for other LFP batteries. How can he know what homeowners need? I got a 43 kWh 6000 Cycles LFP battery i made myself and even if it's almost 2 years ago since i bought the cells from a well known and respected trader in China, my battery are at 1/3 the price pr. kWh. Shake that moneymaker.
You either make one of your conferences to central Europe (Vienna, Prague, Bratislava, Budapest), or I move myself to UK, start working in Eco industry to get my 0.001% chance that Imogen comes to interview me one day!
Cheers Imogen
Batteries to save energy from solar panels is a fantastic idea. But, the problem starts with people charging their batteries with cheap overnight energy to then use during the day. Energy suppliers will start losing money quickly and then scrap cheap rate tariffs which some people rely on for EV charging. As always, the rich can afford to jump on the bandwagon and save lots of money until the market crashes, while the average person will end up paying for it when the cheap tariffs disappear.
This is incorrect. The energy is provided at a cheap rate overnight as it is excess available whilst demand is low, and because demand is lower it is sold by the national grid at a cheaper rate than it is supplied at. The energy then being sent back to the grid during daytime from the likes of solar owners (residential properties) is paid by the energy suppliers at a cost far lower than would be from other suppliers (non sustainable resources) therefore energy suppliers (in my case Octopus) still save considerable money and make profit. If I buy from the grid in the daytime then it’s about 27p/kWh, but Octopus buy my solar supply at 15p/kWh. I’m sure if night time demand gets too great compared to excess available then prices will climb slightly. As it is, they are just reducing again in July to 7p/kWh.
No. it helps the system or they would not do it. If they do not buy from you and your battery, they have to pay to fire up a big, usually gas, entire power station. This is very expensive, having a whole plant built that is only used parts of a day. I suspect they are paying a fraction of what their alternatives are when they need peak power capacity, so are making loads out of it.
Same with selling cheap, the always on power stations would have to be turned off or the power 'thrown away' otherwise.
Not neccessary because they will lose money on having turn off wind turbines/hydro/geo thermal over night.
You might be right on the direction of the market, but when did the rich ever suffer after a crash.
Sod giving to the grid, and waiting for them to pay out nope. I have a shed with 300v worth of batteries and inverters. It, runs all my lights TVs phones tablets and more none of which comes from my house incoming power. I save over £890 a year in bills. All the build cost paid already
Would love solar and battery but we rent and our landlord won’t want to fork out the cost of a system.. we have an ev, and ohme home pro , which the landlord let us have installed at our expense, fair enough . We’re on octopus I.G tariff which is soon to decrease their off peak unit charge .. even if I could get just battery storage installed to charge at night off peak for use during the day would save me money!
I found some of the comments in this wrong and a very poor choice. In the UK we will always have time of use tariffs, secondly it makes perfect sense to have batteries in your property without solar, also the impact of having your batteries outside are negligible.
I don’t like bold sweeping statements, it’s more of a fossil fuel thing. There will be people watching this thinking of just installing batteries, people who like in flats or who rent who cannot have solar and you may have just talked them out of it.
@EverythingElectricShow I know this is a "product showcase episode" and as such, it is just fine. But can you please make feel a little less like reading a FAQ page from a vendor's web site?
I don't want to invest in a battery, I want a EV with V2X.
Durecell, imagen when you have to recharge the battery and you'd have to take out 1157 AA cell's and manualy put them in chargers 😂
The thing to now consider is utility companies are beginning to whine about lost profits and are charging customers that 'push' their excess solar/wind/whatever production into the grid as a way of paying for their system expenditures. Pay attention and consider that only building a system large enough to serve your needs may be the wiser choice.
The UK needs more solar and batteries. We should build what is economic for ourselves and that our local grid can cope with.
Which companies?
I thought Tesla aslo provided software , supplier agnostic, to handle mutiple tarriffs per day. 🤔
so, you’ve recorded and offered to us an advertisement, without calling it that
They are a business and need to make money, but agree that ad-ocumentry should be called that.
They used to call it Fully Charged Plus so we knew it was product placement.
Now they don’t bother
Every. Channel. On. RUclips.
interesting video,BUT no mention as to whether they are ac or dc coupled batteries,combined with him quoting the savings on a artifically high price of 44p per kwh (although he never said the actual unit cost), plus only 600 installers for the UK ??, where am i going to find a super duper "platinuim installer " oop here in cumbria ??, and of course no mention of price, plus he claimed average solar installs of 10kw, who has that roof size ??, certainly not new build rabbit hutches aka houses, its a no for me, better alternatives out there already
Why hhave you turned off comments in your crowdfunding video??? - very suspicious!
It's so weird to see a recognizable brand like Duracell stay relevant.
Maybe if these companies made an effort to make batteries or solar actually affordable for anyone but the landed gentry.
That's exactly what my butler keeps telling me.
A big question is the relationship between landlords, tenants, and sustainable technologies.
Indeed. I just added vast solar array and battery to a rental house - made next to no difference to the proposed rental amount.
ByD 🤔
Imogen is so distractingly gorgeous that it is no wonder the interviewee fails to remember any important details 😉
What was the chemistry? C-rating? Does it all keep working in a powercut? Pure sine-wave inverter? 3-phase or 2-phase?
Duracell enters chat…
We need to see the numbers on-screen. Waffle-maths = no maths.
I'm on the look out for a smart dishwasher, I'm looking for one that can cook, iron & put the hoover round too, blonde, about 20.
annnd another product only for the UK.
5kWh battery? That pink drumming bunny will melt
Since when was the average electricity bill £1600 a year?
He mentions 10kWh/day, 3650kWh/year, then equates that to £1600 a year, which is beyond ridiculous.
Take out the standing charges and he's still saying almost 40p/kWh, which is 70% above the current price cap.
Yes it is a lot.
Pretty much since the last few years. When OFGEM announces price caps and Martin Lewis talks utility bills its "usually" around the £1300 mark. So the numbers are not a million miles off.
For reference today we Generated 30kw, Used 13kw, Exported 17kw and Drew 2kw from Grid, some of that was use beyond the capability of the inverter to provide from the battery/solar. 10kw electric shower and dinner/tea time when too many appliances running at once
@@MagicianMan it doesn't matter what the actual numbers are when the guy states figures and then totally disregards them for his cost estimates
A hate the word green. It’s usually not true. Perhaps it should be called going low carbon? Or it’s low carbon? But green? Mmmmm
Sorry IMO Duracell like Eveready is just a marketing name those companies have no direct connection with the product. Buyer beware.
Pay back time?
Seems a bit daft to say someone is going to save money after having to whack out a few thousands up front and not know what the future tarrifs might be.
Yes it is odd to me how there is the obsession with saving money. I want them as it is a good thing to do and to have close to power independence, as you say we do not know what the future holds! Along with the occasional rare power cut which is very annoying. Really do not care how it works out money wise.
You can only make guestimates based on current rates.
You could get a Tesla Powerwall 3 installed (reasonably close to the Consumer Unit) for about £7000-£7500. That's 13kw usueable plus includes a integrated hybrid solar inverter.
I would guess that a "typical" family would be able to load shift 90% of their energy use. So charge at 10p rather than 30p (rates are estimates and differ across the UK).
So based on 67% saving of £1000year then payback would be 10 years.
If rates go up then payback comes down.
Add solar into that then you probably add £4-£5k.
@@oddjobsandrandomprojects
😂😂😂😂
Now what are droning on about?
@@oddjobsandrandomprojects
Well I certainly do have a job understanding what you're trying to type.
As far as I can discern all you do is deflect.
No percentages to prove sales of battery EVs are in decline.
It's as if you can't admit you haven't a clue.
That'll be it.
@@oddjobsandrandomprojects
Now you're boring.
there are hundreds of battery systems out there in 2024 which are capable of using single modules or stacking modules. Sorry imho the video is a hoax...
For reasons best know to the industry, they won't stop conflating PV solar panels and battery storage. GB is not Arizona, most renewables come from big offshore wind farms.
I generate as much power as I use from solar in the UK. It would be better in arizona but it's still good in the UK
The whole thing is about personal power generation, and storage. You have an off shore wind turbine? That is impressive! lol
A bit to advertisement like. Normally your videos are great, bit this is a tad to much, at least for me.
Better get these things in before someone wakes up in local government and starts asking for serious fire prevention requirements. Having some twit put a pick axe through a lithium battery and starting a thermal run away would be bad for the house its attached to... and probably their neighbours.... oh , and walking shots are boring :)
Already updated guidance been produced based on UK/EU fires which have been 90%+ from uncertified (TUV/CE etc) Chinese Imports of E-Scooters, E-Bikes, Batteries and Chargers.
Most recent I saw was a German house blew up and he was using cheap cheap Chinese inverter + batteries.
Fire incidents of well installed, and fully certified, equipment and batteries is very very rare.
I think the cameraman might have a thing for Imogen...
@@martyndavies1482 Well she is intelligent , educated and eloquent. easy to understand why he might :)
Bad presentation.. Not current.. As Batyteri development is going at breakneck speed.. Most house sawyers are looking for cheap storage opportunities! And not Expensive concepts.. As well as With safe battery solutions.. And simple battery structures such as Na batteries.. !! Maybe duracell is trying to trick us into using an expensive concept because the presentation is priceless🤔🤔🤔🤔
Its a shame its irrelevant if fossil fuel use is growing at its fastest ever rate to its highest ever rate of use .
"if fossil fuel use is growing at its fastest ever rate" - which is not happening. Fossil fuel use appears to be plateauing, even if this year's emissions are slightly more than last year.
has its ups and downs... perhaps learn how to do AI.
@@TheDanEdwards So deffo reasons to panic then.
If you need to invest 15,000 of battery and solar and 7500 of heat pump capital to save 130 pounds a month you need your fucking head read! LOONACY
Yada Yada Yada blah blah blah. Just another battery seller, couldn't see any real difference to any other system, definately not a game changer like the graphic claims.
If battery suppliers really wanted to help the planet then they would lobby for large scale battery systems as part of an energy strategy to even out demand and not to encourage small scale, large volume sales to individual households where the cost of systems plus installation results in poor value £/kWh. But hey, that's consumerism for you - pandering to the individual rather than benefit society.
That DEPS software is a load of rubbish - basically a way to get data and then phone - not innovative at all...
7:14 Or having a smart girlfriend. 😉
What a nonsensical conversation!
Really very well trained, don’t concern yourself with the complexities of magic
Please stop with the "That's all we have time for" at the end of these videos. It's RUclips, you can post more than 24 hours of video in a day!
Conspiracy Theorist= Critical Thinking
= idiot
Or critical non-thinking more like.
Roflmfao -dream on
More like a sheep looking for a home.
@@ianhamilton3113 Who invented that word conspiracy? So if I think someting is fishy it doesn't feel right I am in the conspiracy bracket.Jordan Maxwell used to say think the opposite what they want you to believe.
Can we get an update on whats restricting V2X please? Why pay for a static home battery when there's already a 50 KW unit in the car
Battery degradation
Vehicles supporting the protocol
@@pauld3327 Trials have shown this is not an issue and can actually improve life by keeping SoC within optimal range for more of the time
@@mikeselectricstuffI agree 👍
@@mikeselectricstuff Such as the new range of Kia's you mean? Pretty sure Volkswagen are onboard with it as well, so yeah... Be nice to get an update video on what's going on here, and when the public will be finally able to make use of this tech, especially as Octopus is already looking at VPP via the power wall 3
I have a 55kwh Tesla battery pack from a Model 3 that runs my house with a Solax inverter - saves us a fortune!
Yeah I’d love to do this but have no spare battery pack and no idea how to do it!
Quanto investiu? Qual o real tempo de retorno?
Would be great to see how this can be done. Used model 3s are getting cheaper than the batteries alone!
@@MrNgo504I spent £6000, plus £3k on a heat pump - it will take 5 years to pay back.
@@pumpkinhead456 Do the rest of us a few videos on ya set up? You'll gain a sub from me 😀
Charge the pack with Night Rate electricity, and use it during the day.
Until night rate electricity stops being a thing. Then all those that don't pay for batteries get to benefit from those that have!
@@Animosity6792 variable rate electricity is going to become more and more of a thing with the move towards more renewables.
Oh, night rate will be around a bit longer with all these stupid nuclear contracts being signed all over the world lately. Give it a few more years and true renewable energy will be no more then tolerated on the grid. The Belgian energy regulator just announced renewable energy will be shut down in favour of ‘regular’ production when needed this summer. ‘Of course nobody can expect us to stop a nuclear power plant, right?’
Western capitalists gave it some thought, found a new way to make a profit, convinced their right wing politician puppets to lobby for it, who pored some ‘divide and conquer’ sause over it, and the racist masses voted for it.
Tomorrow the price of electricity is going low between 12:00 and 16:00, for my tariff, night rates are not always the best.
That was my thoughts too
Is that a local API, on the inverter, rather than a cloud dependant half baked api?
That was my first thought... What happens if for any reason Duracell decides to pull the plug. Smart battery system becomes dumb battery system?
It sounds incredibly dystopian that have to think about what sort of API their inverter has rather than it just being a thing that you forget even exists.
@@torginus sadly... I can think of a few "cloud" connected devices that have suffered this fate.
From e-bikes and cars to light bulbs and speakers, it happens with alarming regularity these days.
Worst case is the device is bricked. Best case is someone takes over the API service or provides an open source version you can run locally.
Generally speaking, you just lose some features that may have been a selling point as in this case with the tariff tracking feature.
@@markbenson4263 Sure but I'd prefer a device that has no app, no API, no network connectivity, you just turn it on, and it works, like a dishwasher or a furnace.
@@torginus there is a good chance it probably works in that mode when it can't get data from its API but it isn't going to track "agile" tariffs where they set demand pricing.