Analyzing Joe Goldberg's Broken Mind In YOU Season 4 Part 2
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- I review breakdown and explain You Season 4 Part 2 Netflix. I take an in depth look into Joes mind, discuss his past and react to why he is the way that he is in the present day. I discuss interactions that he's had with Love, Beck, his mother, brother, Rhys Montrose and Ivan Mooney. I also give my theories and predictions to how he will be in season 5.
00:00 Intro
00:46 How Joe's Childhood Impacted His Future
04:11 Joe Had Erotomania
05:58 Joe's Caring Side
07:00 Conclusion
07:47 Outro
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Do you think Joe will ever be able to be saved from his own mind? Or is he past the point of no return? 🧠Comment your thoughts below!
No...simple no. He has obsessions, need to hunt even, he will find another one that catches his eyes. He needs to stalk and kill, he is sick, only solution is being locked up or dead. He was like this from episode 1, but the series is from his eyes. Similar as Lolita, view from sick mind. He is only going to be more dangerous now, because he did not accepted himself until now, now he will not even spare anyone. If he does, he will do it for fun, same as he did with Nadia, remember when he said that he is excited to see what she is able to do with her potential, he is intrigued by her not feeling like he spared her, he is making a game, it is fun for him.
I have a theory. In season one, Dr Nicky said that there’s two Joe Goldbergs . Meaning, that Joe’s mental state was slowly deteriorating from the very beginning of the show.
He needs to be in prison . This man is dangerous. Love should have killed him last season... He is so annoying...
I can see a parallel likeness between Joe and Arthur Fleck from Joker(Joachim phoenix version), their characters are so alike that I’m waiting for Joe to wake up in the cage and realise it was all just a dream within a dream, Mr Mooney is still alive and torturing him which is why his only escape is his mind.. now that would be an insane ending for the entire series.. none of it being real, all the characters are from the books scattered all around him.. and he is still the good Joe(or his turned into Jekyll/Hyde) because the cage is always there front and centre.. anyhoo just some ideas.. at the heart of it we never really know if he can be rehabilitated, it depends on the narrative, storyline and psychopathy..
I think Joe was doomed from the start. Having the traumatic upbringing he had and no proper clinical/psychiatric help almost made him destined to had severe mental health issues. And being with Kate will not make him "better", in time he will get bored of her and have a wondering eye for someone else. Or think that she is the real "bad" person in the relationship and do away with her. Regardless, Joe will stay with these habits until the day he dies or gets caught.
Joe has changed so much this season. I love it part 1 had most people thinking he was a better person all of a sudden only to show in part 2 that he’s far worse than he’s ever been. The scene where he breaks mariannes arm and just completely ignores her when she’s captive. And the final scene was weird in how calm and collected he seemed framing Nadia.
It was so dark! It went against the ‘love driven’ obsessiveness and was just pure psychopath but it felt like a natural development for him!
He turned into a full-blown psycho.
I never thought he was a better person. I kept going he has no right to judge no one but felt the writers had forgotten who Joe really was. But nope. Boy did they surprise me. That was crazier than I could of imagined. 😂
@@JamaicaDiamond24 yeah a friend of mine after part 1 said to me the writing is so shit this season, and that Joe didn’t have any of his previous motivations. But i trusted the writers were using it for a build up
He was calm and collected in that scene because after he failed suicide he realized the only way to peace was to accept the part of him he was running from.
I think Joe, now that he is with Kate, is past the point of no return. He has fully accepted himself as a killer and that makes him more of a threat then ever.
So many people could connect the dots.
Don't they wonder why all of his exes ended up dead? Beck was famous, ex-wife Love as well.
Salinger's hired PI is suspicious of him. Love Quinn's father wants Joe dead, Ellie is still somewhere out there... Sherry and Carrie too? What about the book they wrote about escaping Love Quinn and Joe?
But yeah access to resources will help him getaway with it, but him being in public means people will know about his past and connect the dots. Yes he used Will's name in season 2 but he came back to being Joe. Everyone in Madre Linda knows Joe Goldberg
@@allanaalberto9730 well people didn’t realise will and Joe were the same person… so I assume when he switched to will the pi lost track of him and now that he’s officially back to Joe, the quins made sure his identity was scrubbed. Only thing for me is dotty I’m thinking she’ll come back
@@allanaalberto9730 but he's rich now
But does Kate know in detail about all his killings? She sees herself as a killer too and there’s a difference. Kate for all her smarts is romanticizing Joe and downplaying what he said. She didn’t ask probing questions.
@@JamaicaDiamond24 Yeah it seems to be that Kate has no problem with whatever Joe has done in the past kind of like with Love
I think it's the first time I found him truly chilling, seeing him through Marienne's eyes. All along I used these euphemisms like troubled, unbalanced, damaged, traumatized... And finally I was like "No, he's batshit crazy"
Better later than never I guess.
I'm surprised by the amount of people who's are trying to make excuses for what he's done
@@hedge322 it stems from the amazing writing of an unreliable narrator. We find ourseleves rooting for him every time, even when it felt wrong and dirty because much like Joe does to himself, he justifies his actions everytime and gaslights the audience into believing what he is doing is right. This is a great mixture of extreme intelligence but also extreme deniablity. This was fully flipped when we were able to get a reliable narrator through Marienne to show us who Joe really was when Joe didn't even know himself. It's honestly brilliant writing.
Penn Badgley directed some episodes in this season! I think his greatest critique for the show is that the writers make Joe look too charming and just misunderstood. They wanted Penn to act less creepier to which he would say that how can Joe not be creepy while stalking and killing people 😅 So I guess it was kind of Penn’s moment to grow Joe’s character into what he truly is. A psychopath.
@@paigewheeler2810 This🙌🏽 He also sometimes killed people who were actual awful people( e.g. Marianne’s ex and Paco’s abusive step dad), so it made you kind of see him as not totally bad( if you ignore him k wording women who reject him. I didn’t😬 but I can see how others would “forget.”). It also doesn’t help he’s the main character. You’re kind of predisposed to care about them because you spend so much time with them. Season 4 needed to happen so people could finally see him for who he truly is. It also makes you question all the other killings because he’s now been established as a very unreliable narrator.
@@birdi3beez nah. killing anyone for personal reasons makes you morally bad. Hes degressing in his tactics of being the stalker self he is. K wording to Joe is like a drug, it can't be stopped he physically/mentally put a hold on it. Or seek a professional institution (cough cough prison)
I loved how they put Joe in Mariannes eyes. In all past seasons, we never truly seen Joes darkness through Becks, Loves, or even Karen Mintys eyes. Even after he ended their relationships, youve always just seen their flaws. THIS SEASON dives into Joes darkness solely through the victims eyes. It victimizes the victims in such a profound way.
yeah, it’s honestly kind of embarrassing how we root for Joe and become desensitized to what he’s actually doing.. Yeah sure they are characters and not real people, but there are real people who are victims that we overlook because its interesting to look into the mind of a killer. We make justifications for them and some women will write them love letters in jail. So insane.
Truee but thing is with DiD the two sides of Joe are clearly different. Where dark side emotionless, want kill for sake of killing. Where good side was Jonathan Moore introduce in s3 finale and came out after his reunion with Marianne
Just S4 rectify that it is apart of him no matter how much he denies it. By end he fully embraced it. Just take Joaquin phoenix joker for example 😂
I love that they showed the raw, un-narrative side of joe. The version that you see when you are the one in the cage. It was scary!!! I haven’t been scared of Joe since season 1. Penn Badgley did a amazing job, portraying his descent into madness.
Totally agree! Badgley was phenomenal in this season!
Truss that still doesn't explain how DiD is caused by bang his head against glass cage
@@danwarner7816 I agree it's the main reason part 2 wasn't great for me
DID is stigmatized enough
Spoilers below
It felt like someone read or watched Fight Club and decided it was a good plot twist
@@HealthyObbsession truss I liked Joe in S2 and 3. Since they had no faith in whodunit genre they doing cheap thing by making Joe complete psychopath to win bk fans
@@HealthyObbsession It was for the majority
Us regular guys can’t even get a girl to deal with snoring but Joe has found 2 women that accepts that he’s a psychopath
Exactly!! Don’t let your dreams be dreams!! 🎉😂💀
Sociopathic serial killer seems more definitive.
2 absurdly rich women
@@mimiwscollins the right perfect demography
Yeah but he doesn’t stay for very long 😂😂😂
Not gonna lie the end of season 4 reminded me of Joe in season 1, truly terrifying
not to mention he is now truly embracing and accepting himself as evil, don't know how people can root for him at this point
@@partapbejai548 he’s the main character, im rooting for him all the way, now he just needs to get rid of marieanne
Totally agree! He was petrifying in this season!
@@Dooddood2731 ok that’s wild bro wtf😂😂😂😂
@@Dooddood2731 what!?
This analysis is spot on. He’s too damaged and too broken. No hope for him ever.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the analysis!
Yeah, I thought that was clear in s3. Despite meeting his match and convinces himself he loved her, he continued stalking women that he idolised, he's too broken to change.
He projects his inner child onto the helpless kids, showing genuine empathy as he would’ve wanted that when he was going through a hard time as a child. He projects his mom onto the women, feeling them as helpless and in need of saving, but then killing then when they don’t give him the love he thinks he deserves. He projects his adult self onto Reese, through a combination of hatered towards his inner darkness but also denial. He blames reese just like he always blames others for his actions.
I've said this for the start of season 4, he will never change. His obsessive behaviour and desire to convince himself he is the good guy is all part of his sociopath complex.
Joe treats love like something that can be controlled and brought through romantic manipulation.
The fact he can be an open and accepted psycho, through love from Kate makes him the most dangerous man alive in this show.
His exchange with Nadia in the final episode was chilling and the most calm/confident he has ever been when he has turned dark.
Yes very true
Just a slight correction, Joe isn't exactly a sociopath, as a sociopath is unable to empathize with anything and anyone, by showing no signs of emotion. More like a narcissistic psychopath.
He never actually wanted to frame anyone he was sick of being repetitive but in the last scene forcefully telling Nadia to open her hand take the blame and no one’s going to believe her was as cold hearted as he could’ve been. There’s a always a side of him that wants to explain to someone I can fix this or I didn’t mean to but this part was full no remorse. In the beginning of season 4 he was paranoid of being framed and hate how that feels and in the very last episode he is the the one delivering the ultimate frame on one of his very students
@@reeyadali8516 he's framed people before it's nothing new
Idk I feel like he was changing pretty good in season 2 and then love kind of broke him at the end of the season and made him have no chance at changing
We all know Joe’s already broken BUT I specially love the latest season cuz they finally let us see the real Joe from marienne’s perspective. Not from a murderer’s perspective that kept on manipulating us, the viewers, that he is only doing what’s right. Terrifying, but it’s absolutely perfect for the 4th season.
Also Penn said that the bridge scene was important because his hallucination of Rhys was meant to show people how joeis struggling to accept and love himself.
the seeds were planted from the first season, the ability of joe to deny and justify the most outrageous horrible things he done was a big indicator
It really disappointed me that Joe wound up with Kate, only because she and Love are very similar in the sense that they both accepted Joe for who he is and decided to love him anyway; but somehow Joe was willing to kill Love, but (currently) isn’t willing to kill Kate. I guess we have to wait and see what happens but it sucks that Love had to die while Kate is just alive and well. I like Love as a character WAY more than Kate so I may just be bitter lol
It was because love was a hard cold killer and joe hadn’t reached thst point yet,
You are right the only part you missed is hypocritical Joe became disgusted by Love and saw her as a killer she wasn't the princess she thought and that doesn't match the Prince he wanted to be infact season 4 joe who accepts what he is would get with Love as opposed to Season 1,2,3 Joe who wanted to be a good dude
Make sense?
@@thelastmarketbender8656 you’re absolutely right, the problem was always Joe, and his inability to accept himself for what he is. His inability to accept Love for what she was, and not for who he wanted her to be, was a direct result of this.
Cause Kate hasnt actively killed anyone to Joe's knowledge
Same. I liked Love way more. Kate is uhhh no.
Experts say that psychopaths and sociopaths are dangerous because they don’t have feelings, the most problematic one being the total lack of empathy. Joe has empathy and a wide range of feelings. He has serious issues stemming from his childhood but a psychopath he is not. That is what makes him so interresting for me.
Yeah not a psychopath? Okay😂
If psychopaths and sociopaths didn’t experience emotions like entitlement and rage, they wouldn’t do what they do. But I agree that Joe’s psychology is much more complex than these labels.
@@alienlizardqueen8748 Yes and no. Sociopaths ( or secondary psychopathy) are indeed very impulsive and feel way more the negatives emotions. Psychopaths, when they are serial killers (the majority of psychopaths or sociopath don’t kill) on the other hands, don’t do that because of rage but more because of a sexual disorder or because of power which come from their narcissistic side (psychopathy is basically a mix between the narcissistic and the antisocial personality disorder and it’s not even a real diagnosis). Psychopaths barely feel emotions. They can maybe feel a little bit the emotions but way less than the neurotypical person.
@@kassyluca3458 what would you classify Joe as?
So joe is sociopath
Glad you brought up Dr. Nicky. Another thing that he said was that it seemed like there were two joe Goldberg's which suggested to me that season one might have been the point where he began to lose his mind as opposed to before with his first girlfriend
That’s a good shout too. It feels like it’s definitely been planned since the first season!
Im gonna have to rewatch every season now omg
The predictions were spot on this season😳 Rhys was just in his head. He’s become scarier now
Most definitely! Especially with Joe embodying his dark side moving forward as well... who knows how dangerous he could be now!
I loved how this theory came to be true but I think they overused it. I mean he kept imagining him there until the very end. They should have replaced Rhys with another Joe rather than continue to use Rhys as a symbol for his darker side.
Season 4 was essentially Joe accepting his Jungian Shadow, the darkest parts of his personality. Now that he accepted it he is more dangerous than ever
Joe has been split since season 1 but we just didn’t know it was THIS bad. It seems he might have been completely split. We just thought he had a hard time being honest with himself about what he did. But maybe it actually turns out he is split in two. Or WAS. Now he has collected himself and will no longer be in denial. But SEEING him from the girls perspective, was a crazy episode!!! And seing him frame the other girl for his murder 😮 I feel so so so bad for her!!!!! I hope she gets out of prison when joe is finally caught!
As much as I really think Joe needs to be taken down, he is himself a victim. Plus I don't mind Nadia being in prison, she was always so nosy for her own good. She prob won't get anyone else innocent involve in her lil detective notions
@@Zacharywilliamz right. She deserves prison for life for being nosy 🤥🫠
Just because you had a bad childhood, he can’t claim victim hood any longer. He is pure villain pls don’t have empathy for this psycho.
I think in season 1 he discovers his dark side, tried and failed to run from it in season 2, fell back into it and tried to deny it in season 3, and then splits it so far apart we get to season 4 and finally accepts it as who he is in the end
@@Zacharywilliamz How is he a victim? He's been killing people over and over and blaming it on innocents. He has now all the resources to cover it up so that makes him more dangerous than ever. Also, Nadia was investigating on her own since she knew that she couldn't just call the cops bc Marienne told her it wouldn't work. She knew how dangerous he was so she tried to get him caught.
@@fernandaherrera5920 there's something called healthy fear. It's because she knows how dangerous and how green she is compared to him, she should leave it alone. Least she could've avoided indirectly killing her bf by getting him involved.
I really want another season where he’s finally brought down and I really want Ellie to be the one to do so. Being responsible for her sister’s death and leaving Ellie all alone was the unforgivable point of no return for me. I’ve been hoping for her to get justice since then.
That would make a good ending to the show!
He isn't responsible for her sister's death - he was gonna let her out and besides if it wasn't for joe ellie would be dead and possibly homeless. I'm not saying he's a good person but there are many other of his actions that you could actually blame him for than the one you mentioned.
I actually have a strong feeling this is where next season leads, Ellie never stopped not trusting joe, she knew deep down he was responsible for all the shit she went through and her sister's demise, my theory is she never stopped following his life... now hearing of JOE GOLDBERG back from the dead after the fiasco in madre linda she will seek out the girl in jail, Nadia, she will compare stories and use that, she will find out about Marianne and her being alive and together they both bring down Joe for good.
All the murders and framing innocent people before that were forgivable?
Ellie Nadia and dr. Nicky comes together and bring joe down
Marianne is coming for him. When she was reading the book to her daughter and saying goodbye to her we thought it was from the past but it was actually the future! Because in the end scene when she was reading the article about Joe she’s wearing the same clothes (jean overalls). She might be the one to finally stop him!
him and nadia. In typical netflix fashion a black queen and radom minority take down the evil white man
I hope not. She barely made it out this time.
@@dianabrown9489 Hope so too.
@dianabrown9489 I agree, she knows if she goes for Joe she has to kill . I don't think she will take that risk because she warned Nadia she will never get away from him
Honestly, I am all for revenge in these types of shows but in this specific case she should probably leave joe alone and stay away from him. Joe is cold blooded
Anyone else notice that the romantic music for Kate is slightly different, like a twisted kind of theme than the typical falling in love sound you hear? When he saw Beck and Love for the first time, it was the same tune, but with Kate I think this might be his last love interest, but I'm not sure.
i love how you predicted this (Rhys being a part of Joe’s imagination) in your previous video about this season.
Thanks!
Perfect acting from all the cast especially Penn this season
I don't ever recall bad acting from any of the actors. They hire really talented people who get onto their roles well. Even the unlikable characters.
Newer seasons need more flashbacks of Joe’s childhood
Yeah they didn't really do it in this season. S02 had a lot!
I think the moment he truly accepted that he's a psychopath was when he killed Eddie framed Nadia. He pointedly never hurt kids or teens before then.
i was wandering the whole time where marianne was doing "her business" in that cage? 🤨
There was a large container in the corner!
Bucket
I cant be the only one who at first thought rhys had made plastic surgery clones out of himself and joe and rhys kept marienne in that box to blackmail the ”real” joe:D idk how he would have known about it tho
I feel like Season 5 is going to be Penn Badgleys best acting yet. I feel Season 5 will be the ending of the You series, and will go out as a bam
Even though some people say season 1 hinted at Joe spilting i think season 2 did it for me because in the first episode we thought Joe met Love in the grocery where she ask him if the peach looks like a butt, only by the end of the episode it is revealed Joe was lying to us and he actually found that grocery job AND an apartment to be closer to Love who he just met when walking pass the building and seeing her watch the guys off load the trucks. So him lying to us isn’t anything new, he even lie to us about Benji being his first kill to make us feel sorry for him.
Expectation: He's just like Dexter
Reality: He's actually the joker
Yes! I was wondering if I was the only one who saw it
@@jonbenetclarke9319 the writers of the show hid it really well, not many saw it coming! Great show, great ending!
Excellent video. In my opinion this show of just on another level. I’ve always liked it but the way they took it in season 4 made me so much more interested in the psychology of joe, I hope Netflix doesn’t fuck up and cancel another great show like this
They only difference is the romanticism is gone instead the reality smacks him in the face of what he has done
He was absolutely not an ordinary guy in the early episodes haha. He was a stalker 10 mins in
extremely well-written character and analysis
Okay where was Marianne pooping, who was clearing it out and when did joe get the time for this extra curricular activity, he had a whole schedule accounted for already🤔
Also need these questions answered. I didn't get how he spent DAYS with her and no one looked for him and he somehow forgot all that
In a bucket. There was a container in the corner of the cage
@@kialuvsyooI’m guessing those events occurred before he became normal again and got the teaching job . If you watch there’s a time jump from the train station to the first time we see him in lecture. Clearly he doesn’t remember that big time jump becuase well he was Rhys but once he finally became Joe again we all saw him teaching his students because he was lucent and in his right mind again
In season 1 he tells Beck "I emptied the bucket, in case you ever doubt what I'm willing to do for love." 😂
@Dariën ooooh OK so he because Joe again before the teaching job. OK this makes sense lol
Once Joe made a cage outside of Mooney's I saw it as a point of no return.
Ps. Does anyone else think that, while it's not the cause of his multitude of behavioural issues, all the times Joe has hit his head (car crash, Beck hitting him over the head, slamming his head against the cage, etc) plus that high fever from getting the measles as an adult, and (presumably) never going to the doctor, contributed to the hallucinations and blackouts of memory he ended up having?
Great video and top tier analysis. Joe has evolved and his methods have escalated. He's reached the peak now so I expect a huge fall in S5, he should get what he deserves.
Wish Dexter was still around...
Well said! Thanks a lot!
@@andremotivation6561 Same. I'm still fuming over that Dexter :new blood ending. 😩
such a nice job bro, thanks for the content :)
Glad you enjoy it!
Penn did an amazing job. He really looked terrifying and pathetic while having hallucinations.
Yeah this was his best performance as Joe!
Rhys Montrose is Joes inner Hollow (only bleach fans will understand)
Does anyone else remember that "Rhys Montrow" is played by the same actor who was the ambitious footman "Jimmy" on Downton Abbey?
Not Montrow, "Montrose".
Hopefully we’ll have a backstory on Kate or a Kate narration in S5
Yeah that would be interesting!
Talking bout a cancer baby episode? im down
Season 4 part 2 gave me season 1 vibes and it was fantastic ! I hope season 5 will be as good as 4 part one. But it’s a bit ambiguous, does Kate know what joe has done in the end of season 4 ?
i think it says he told her everything so you could throw money at it and cover it up
The chillest moment in YOU for me will always be the S1 finale where Beck escaped the cage and tried to get Paco to open the door, but Paco sided with Joe and left her to die.
I truly hope wherever Paco is he doesn't end up as broken and damaged as Joe
That's true - it definitely does paint a bleak future for Paco as well. Especially the fact that he was with Joe when he dealt with his mothers partner.
Honestly, I think Paco felt that he owed Joe for saving him and his mother from his abusive step-dad.
That and the fact that Joe literally helped to cover up his step-dads murder.
The last season is when he breaks completely, gets sent to Arkham, and manipulates his therapist while becoming obsessed with the batman.
Not me thinking he meant part 2 of his youtube Video. I was looking for the part one of this breakdown for ages looooool
The best season so far and Ed Speleers carried the show ....
I've seen quite a few people shit on this season and it makes me sad. I find it phenomenal! The first part did seem a little slow but after seeing the second part you realize that was fully intentional. I did find it strange that in part 1 he was completely tame all of a sudden, the victim of a stalker and accused of murder when he was allegedly innocent. I didn't really buy it but then again, they made it seem as though he truly had done a complete 180. But with this show you really always have to expect the unexpected, and S4 part 2 absolutely smashed it.
I'm really excited for the next season, Joe seems to be completely unhinged now and like he's fully accepted being a killing psycho.
I hope we find out what happened to his mother. It feels like the show should end by exploring that issue. His mother was the root of all his issues after all and knowing what happened to her will make us see more clearly how Joe went down the path he did.
I feel like the show needs that in the next season. Truly taking a look at why Joe is the way he is and it confronting him in the present day!
He might have killed his mother tbh 🤷🏾♂️
She had a new family I'm guessing she okay
She was horrible to him. She created what he is now!!
No lie I thought that photographer, Dawn, would’ve been Joe’s mom.
Yeah I thought it was going to lead towards that!
He is lucky he is good looking
People can hate joe Goldberg I understand but I like rooting for villains so it’s fun seeing how much joe changed this season
Very true! He developed so much more!
In real life ? Definitely not. But I agree sometimes in shows you wanna see how far they’ll go
Me too, it's entertaining seeing him getting away with everything all of the time. It contributes to the charm of the show.
Great video
Thanks!
Also even when he thought he was been stalked, he didn't felt alone thats why even after realising rhys was not real he followed him because due to rhys wven in his mind he didn't felt lonely
Dude just became so rich that he can do anything
Whilst he’s the eat the rich killer how ironic for joe 😅😅
@@Callherbianca that's something Joe has in common with Dan Humphrey, they pretend to despise rich people but they want to be part of the club
@@radhiadeedou8286 EXACTLY
Since Joe will no longer doubt himself, I think the show can make a major change. My theory is that Marianne will seek revenge in Season 5. Since she will contemplate taking a life, it would be great if she was the narrator for the season. Maybe if Nadia and Jenna Ortega's character also come back, they can narrate too.
Um no I think Marianne is not gonna try and get revenge she's said before he's too good at not getting caught
I hope Ellie comes back.
Joe is now full frontal riding in his dark passenger
Definitely!
If there was ever a time for a cross with Dexter, season 5 of "You" would be perfect. I know that won't happen for obvious reasons.
Lmao what are you on about Dexter is dead
Dexter is mentioned at one point, but it's not know if it's a show in You, or real within the You Universe. The Youverse.
Very curious to see what will happen in season 5. Now that he's merged both sides and is a billionaire. Will Kate realize Joe is a lost cause? Will Marianne find a way to get Nadia out of prison?
If anything I think Kate may be fearful of Joe once she truly sees what he's capable of. Rather than just hearing about it!
Bruh, the ending to SEason 4 Part 2 was beautiful. I really thought this was the end. Elon Musk version of Joe Goldberg. Excited to see the development.
So can someone explain something for me? So after love his mind was split hard and became obsessed w Rhys ( perfect dude who he thinks he’s like) and I’m confused on what happened to him after he put Marianna in the cage. He yelled shut up (Joe) then he like just stares blankly and then slams his head and then is a completely different personality. Said that Joe is gone and that he’s waiting for Joe to come back and kill her as of Joe himself was gone? I’m just confused on the blackouts he has with no memory of killing and then actually talking to himself instead of Rhys. So someone plz explain I’m so interested
The turn things have taken and how accepting joe is with his killing leads me to think season 5 will be his demise but penn said in an interview he’s on contract for 6 seasons so
REALLY !? WHERE IS THE SOURCE IF HIN SAYING THAT ???
It sucks that WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT DRUNK JOE SAID TO LADY PHOEBE
Maybe one day we'll get to find out!
I've actually started a joke that the writers of this show read the stories on my website because of the turns they throw into the content of the characters and their motivations. Boy, that would be funny though. It would also explain why I like this series so much as well lol.
nah they not
Your website?
@@AlcyPC LMAO
@@AlcyPC No shit. Hence "I've started a joke."
This felt sudden and contrived, in the second and third season he was all about redemption and avoided killing unless absolutely necessary the out of nowhere he goes from a unhinged sociopath who could be understood if not confined to a insane psychopath with no remorse.
That’s the point he literally was hiding from his dark side but now he’s accepted it which he hasn’t since he killed his mother’s boyfriend or father or whatever he was
Since he was a kid he strived for redemption it’s not a sudden thing
Season 5 will be a Dexter arc for Joe, disgustingly rich to hide any evidence with access to some of the darkest people in the world that don't kill but send others to do it
Session 5 prediction
When i was watching You i was like yooo joe goldberg is actually turning into tyler durden😅😅
The YOU Joe is looking for is himself. He loves Joe.
Nah he's looking for a version of himself he think he is, the Joe he can never be. A good person. If he loved himself, he wouldn't have pushed Love away
thanks for defining erotomania. Joe's mental state makes sense now
I wonder if he’ll get his son back in Season 5🤔.
I think he will be in the show!
Why would he be? Henry is in California, Joe is back in New York.
Joe was the best of himself in season 3. He was clearing up for Love’s killings and he was only killing bad people which is of course bad. He even saved the teenager friend of Love. He never wanted to kill Love too. It was basically self defence. What i dont really understand is how come he deviated from the good path he was trying to follow. He literally killed anyone and everyone in season 4 who was a little threat to him. And like season 1 he didnt have any remorse for the people he was killing. In season one he didnt even blame himself for a sec for killing Beck. He tried to be better in seasons 2 and 3 but in season 4 that totally fell apart. I think season 5 will be narrated through Nadia or another influential character trying to punish Joe. This is because Joe is a totally lost cause now. Everyone knows that he will never go back. He will never commit suicide. And i dont believe he found love with Kate. He only found love with his evil side, which was growing through his horrible childhood experiences. Now he doesnt need to find love anymore. In season 5 he will kill like a mad man, be prepared!!
I think YOU are spot on! ...wait, who said that?
GREAT JOE GOLDBERG VIDEO ❤
Glad you enjoyed it
Lol he was never an ordinary guy he was a stocker first season and also before beck he tried to bury some other woman 😭
3:52 Love did love him truly and she had dark past too
Do we realize fully enough that Jenna Ortega will be back for SEason 5 of YOU?
I think she will be! She did say how she wants to return as Ellie again
What about dissociative identity disorder, do you think joe was experiencing that?
Joe has missing time and multiple personalities, with clues in previous seasons. DID is what he's experiencing, and his primary alter happens to be a "psychopathy". This kinda contradicts DID being used a defensive mechanism the protect the primary alter from trauma, though. Fiction makes all things possible.
Can someone explain me how Tom Lockwood knew joe Goldberg when they met at the dinner?
well he's super rich I imagine he had someone on his staff vet him the moment he entered kate's life and probably does for all her love interests and friends. To protect his assets ( his daughter)
Anyone kinda wish he kept the beard
tbh until he reconciles the fact that he wasn't good enough for his mother, I don't think they'll be any change from his character
How is Kate okay with him being a killer? She may not know everything he's done but she knows about Rhys..
The series should have left it alone at the ending of season 3 (this post contains season 3 spoilers, since we're on a season 4 video).
He killed his wife who, at the time, was more of an unstable murderer compared to himself & he left his son with a couple he knew would treat his son well. He then went on a journey to search for Marienne & that would've been fine as a forever cat & mouse that didn't need any explanation.
The whole reason this series was successful was because the viewer was oddly on the side of the villain protagonist, it was intriguing.
The beginning of Season 4 part 2 has absolutely killed my enthusiasm for the ending because it's now like a lot of other shows.
I wonder how Ellie is getting along after Joe left for Paris. Has he just abandoned her? The hitman that was sent after him took all the Quinn money, so I don't see how he could still send her funds. Even if she knew where to ask him for it, I doubt he sent a forwarding address. Unless he just let her think he was dead when he killed Love, but now that he is back she will know. She could tell, and it could make her a liability in the future.
I want to know what kind of prison sentence Joe would be looking at by the end of season 4. Would be interesting to see considering he crosses multiple jurisdictions, both in the United States and abroad.
That's a good point!
Regardless how evil Joe has become his life is very sad because he’s never truly been loved like he should have he never had a father or mother love him truly that’s what he missed out on (not justifying him murdering countless people lol) but had he gotten loved properly we wouldn’t have the story that is joe. I’ve watched every season hoping he would change for the better each season but now that’s clearly gone just when you though he realized he’s the problem and tried to kill himself he becomes a true psychopath and accepts his serial killing lifestyle and now he’s almost unstoppable due to the money and power he’s attained being with Kate. Excited to see what happens in season 5 will it be joes ending? Let me know? I always wanted the ending for Joe to be him in prison getting interrogated on his entire life and what led to him being a serial killer that way they could dive deeper into his childhood
honestly I feel like Joe became how he is by choice. Some things he inherited but other things came form his resentment to what he can't have which became alot of entitlement trauma aside. every kill is for his personal benefit even when its for someone else its so he can tell himself he's doing something good
I think this character is definitely a product of everything that has happened in his life he's been moulded this way and he doesn't know any different and when the woman he "loves" recoil from him I don't think he really knows why because to him it was what he was made to do it's definitely going to be interesting to see what happens with Kate
I so badly wish this was Dennis from its always sunny instead
If Joe had sought out help early on -- before he got involved with Candace or Beck -- maybe there would be hope for him. But it's too late now. Way too late.
That's true - he could have ended up being a completely different person!
If you call Joe in the early episodes an "ordinary guy" there is something wrong with you- he is anything but normal
Joe The Best
I suspect Moonie was also a serial killer
Do you think?
i think the writers did such a great job with making everyone hating joe this season
Joe deserves to suffer 10x the amount of everyone he's hurt. He deserves to have Kate taken away from him like he's taken away every other girl from their families and loved ones. He deserves to be put down like the stray dog he is, with scorn and contempt. And Kate deserves all of this too. She's as bad if not worse than Love, because (as we know it right now) she's perfectly sane and willing to turn a blind eye and enable Joe like no one else has. And then has the nerve to call it "Keeping each other good." She really believes that she and Joe are good people when they're the worst. They're sick and beyond redemption.
So really this is mainly Mooney’s fault 😂 great analysis
Lool! Well, Mooney probably does contribute to it. If it wasn't for him then the cage wouldn't exist 😂
I think this essay is far too kind to Joe. It suggests that Joe is only now showing signs of erotomania when Joe has been showing this tendency all along when he begins his obsessions with women. He assumes there is more behind their actions then there really is. He follows them. He thinks they are sending him signals when they often times are not. So him taking it a step too far with Rhys is a natural progression. He didn't need to have a heightened moment of stress a la the end of season 4. He has been in that heightened level of stress for a LONG time.
Secondly, the discussion of Joe's redemptive piece being his caring is interesting. I would point out that that redemptive piece is long gone at the end of the season and Joe has made peace with that making him a far more cruel/evil person. There is no redemption for him. Often times, when Joe would frame people, he was going out of his way to frame people that were already dead OR committed some bad misdeed. I believe we are supposed to see Nadia as similar to Delilah and Elle and Paco. This lower class person trying to make a way in the world that Joe tries to protect (he reads her short story, he retrieves her letter and hides her affair). He empathizes with them. He sees himself in them. But in the end, Joe frames Nadia for the murder of Rhys. He basically turns on the thing that could have been viewed as his only redemptive characteristic this season. And he is fine with it. A lot of fans have turned on Joe this season, and THAT is the biggest reason why. This season was extremely dark.
Ordinary guy in early episodes ? He murdered Benji in episode 2 lol
Why do you think his mother took the blame for killing? She would still be arrested in this case. And we see her several years later with another son. So she got married and had a son very quickly. And it was shown that she willingly gave Joe away because she said she can't help him.
will there be a season 5 ?? I WANT TO KNOW
Yes, I think there will be. The writers said how they have more plans for Joe!
@@BrainPilot yes 🔥🔥