guitar strap anchor points do's and don'ts by randy schartiger
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- this video I talk about the importance of having your strap buttons in the correct place on your guitar and why your strap shouldn't be attached anywhere else. thanks for checking it out!
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From an engineering perspective, the guitar neck joint is designed to handle tremendous amount of tension from the strings such that the "stress" from the guitar strap connected to the headstock is negligible. It's like recommending removing the spare tire from a car because of the added weight even though the car is designed to carry a lot more weight than that. My opinion is if the guitar does not come with a nut at the heel, then I would leave the guitar in its original condition by not screwing an after-market nut into the heel.
Agree. By his logic, playing open “cowboy chords” puts stress on the neck too.
maybe don't play if its too windy out.... actually full moon might theoretically have more gravity during those times. i was joking with the too windy comment but that extra gravity during full moon is for real
ok that was pretty jerky think for me to say.. Sorry about that Randy. Just got a new guitar and it did not have a button so I hung the strap on the end. horrible. could not reach anything. going to the shop to get a button.
It's functionally superior to add a neck heel strap button, and it looks better too. This is a subjective opinion, of course...I buy guitars to play, not as investments I intend to sell later for a profit. Either way, I don't believe a properly installed strap button, in the correct location, will effect resale value. I recently bought a new Martin M-36 and had the neck heel strap button pre-ordered and waiting for it to arrive. No regrets.
My strap has been tied on like that forever. I hate it there because the guitar keeps wanting to slide back around under my right arm. By the time I'm done playing for a couple hours, my right shoulder is killing me because I have to keep pulling it back to stay in alignment with the guitar. I never considered the added stress I have been putting on the neck joints. I purchased a strap button to save my right shoulder but I see now I'm also saving my guitar. Thanks Randy.
You just convinced me to put a strap button on my new baby. Thanks!
intro sent me back into hyperspace tripping nuts...still managed to install strap pin into my guitar made of divine light!! cheers!
haha good to hear man! thanks for watching!
Well, Neil Young attaches at the headstock. Maybe priorities are different for harmonica players, but he's kind of famous for playing same Martin for years ;-) One thing you don't mention is that headstock mount stops the acoustic's tendency for the neck to drop down if not supported.
Everly Brothers..Elivis..Bob Dylan..Clapton...So your by reckoning their all wrong?
Thanks for the info Randy. I'm taking the attachment point off the neck on my oldest guitar because of your video. Great info.
Good tip Randy. I never understood why some guitars don’t come with the upper strap buttons. I think that a Martin D‑42 should have come with one installed considering what they are charging for them.
I couldn't agree more! it makes me wonder if they are shooting for repair work sooner than later, every guitar should come with both strap buttons installed, especially ones that cost this much. thanks for tuning in brother.
I've seen musicians, for example: Stephen Stills, install a strap button right smack dab in the middle of their heel cap, on the back there. I've always preferred having a strap button on my guitars exactly where you installed it on this particular guitar. Your top notch in my book,
man!
I've seen them installed in the middle of the heel cap too, that would make the guitar hang outwards and down away from the player it would seem, plus it looks funny. different strokes I guess lol
I just got a Washburn guitar 🎸 that was made in 1996. And it only has the button on the bottom. I ordered two buttons and a new strap. From eBay they are on the way.
My other three guitars 🎸 all have both buttons 😳 I just figured it was a sure thing to have both.
Good advice. My strap ends are leather and hard to get on . Just not broke in. Il stretch or oil them or take out strap screw and reinstall. New strap y,now. Thanks bro. Subscribed.
Johnny Cash did that also, had the strap anchor point just behind the nut.
Yes he did.
btw, I liked your little dance and song at the start of your video, lol.. Cool Job.
A steel string acoustic guitar with light gauge strings exerts about 160 lbs of pressure. Attaching a strap to the head-stock to an 8 lb guitar has no measurable effect on it's tuning even if you rest your arm on it. The only valid reason to put a strap button on the neck heel is to get it out of the way. Call Martin and Taylor and they'll tell you the same. Their high end models don't come with neck heel strap buttons. My 12-string gits would do a neck dive if the straps were attached to just the body and I stopped holding the neck.
Good Point BROTHER!
Cheers for this - it confirms what I thought in my reluctance to strap at the head.
thanks Mich! and thanks for viewing!
Totally agree - STRESS - on the neck. Why would you when there are other positions more suitable.
what a cool guy.. love that trippy intro...haha
Oh dear! I'm embarrassed now, for sending you that strap 'device' but it was for the odd occasion when there's no neck button on a strange guitar.
I found this looking for the best spot on a cut-away guitar.
Hi Randy, what about Classical Guitar Strap? Any ideas without drilling a hole. thanks
Interesting... what is your perspective? A musician or a luthier? What occurs to me is that Richard Thompson - a pretty useful and very experienced guitarist, both electric and acoustic, plays his Lowden (hardly a budget instrument) with the strap attached at ghe headstock. Each to their own... but I'd be disinclined to be so dismissive of people who do things differently...
No one ever talks about the way Willie Nelson has his guitar strap hung around his neck. Can you explain where on the guitar he has both pins for the strap or does he just place both straps ends on the same pin? Thank you
he doesn't use strap pins, his strap connects to a small device that connects to the sound hole on his guitar, it's hard to see but it's there. thanks for checking out my videos!
Ahh ok, you have a great channel.
Well said, Randy.
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I don't think I've seen anyone in a while. But a great number of the old He Haw gang did it.
Very interesting, Randy!
Have a nice week end,
Cristina
many thanks Cristina! I hope you have a wonderful weekend as well my friend! cheers!
Just wanted clarification why would a prominent guitar manufacturer With millions of dollars and deeply invested in the longterm playability of their product send out guitars from factory without a second strap button on the top, presumably to have the strap run to behind the nut, which if what you said is true would compromise the guitar. It just doesn't make sense to me.
Damn I wish we lived in the same neighborhood LOL... yeah when I was a kid I strapped up my guitars like that because it was convenient and the guitars I bought didn't come with any button except at the tail but then after a few years realised the guitar would hang in a more comfortable place to play and gave me better access over the entire neck when strapped to the heel..plus neck bends worked better....never even thinking back then about the stress and crap. Eventually somewhere along the way I noticed that guitars strapped to the headstock would tend to have higher action over time and bridge lift or often cracking in the finish around the heel and generally more stress....nowadays they have those guitar stands that can hold it for you but that just doesn't seem natural heh.
exactly! action will raise sooner and many other problems will start to develop over time and depending on how often and long a guitar is strapped on this way. I believe it's the very reason some manufacturers only put one strap button on, they know someone will get repair work sooner than not.
Kinda like why they got rid of the Chrysler slant six...if it lasts forever nobody will buy a new one....*wink ..*wink
Good information. I know I've been guilty of the same thing way back in past years of tying the guitar strap to the peg head. Saw one, one day with the button on the underside of the heel. Did the same thing to mine...never looked back. Have a great 4th of July. Hoold Ooon:)
you would think every guitar would come with both strap buttons installed, it's a mystery why they only install one. happy 4th of July weekend to you as well my friend! thanks for watching! hold on! =D
how come Martin sell an attachment for your strap to go behind nut ? and what do you think of the way Willie Nelson attaches his strap ? just asking watch you every night in Birmingham England.
it wouldn't surprise me if companies sold that little strap connector because they "know" the guitar will be back in sooner than later for repairs, just my thoughts. Willies guitar has been repaired so many times I doubt he cares. thanks for watching mate! cheers!
I always wondered why an acoustic guitar DID NOT come with a strap button on the Heel of the neck from the factory. I am 54 years old and have come across MANY more guitars that did not come with this from the factory. I always thought that there must be a reason NOT to put a strap button on the heel. I figured that it must weaken the joint having a screw in the heel.
exactly my thoughts too, you'd think those companies would put a strap button there since they put one at the tail block usually, however I've seen several that didn't put a strap button on the tail block either. hard to say what their logic is.
When you did see a button on the heel it was at the base on the surface facing back at you in that little triangle...an easy pull off and drop problem like they didn't understand gravity heh...musta been aesthetic value. To anybody that has ever watched their axe hit the ground hard....not a good deal.
The hole strips out pretty easy running it strait from the bottom of the heel towards the fretboard, Not only that but the weight is in the front of the guitar pulling the strap of the button easier, but then again running a screw through the side of the heel weakens the heel. Many cheaper guitars will split there anyway. So what is a man to do? Wrap the strap around the neck like Porter Wagoner i guess......
I just envisioned a solution. Quick Randy Patent it before it gets out....A guitar sling.... Like a net that cradles the guitar..........Never mind....still too heavy in front and the guitar will fall out.......Back to the drawing board......
HA HA the guitar bra.
Great words of wisdom. I had one with a strap at the nut for years...eventually started to see cracks between the heel and body. Put in a button just like your other video showed :p BTW, you were freakin me out swinging that expensive guitar around like that!!! I would be too worried that I would drop it or smack it against something....I'm too much of a klutz!! Have a happy fourth bud!!
I've noticed a lot of people will rest their entire arm on the top side of their guitar when strapped on and not playing, this adds even more stress. lol dropping this guitar is like falling off the top of a house, my son helped me do some work on top of the house and I told him, keep your chiat together, falling off the house is NOT and option, and neither is dropping this guitar lol cheers mate, have a great 4th of July weekend!
Randy I've always wondered why the factory doesn't install them. I figured they wanted the strap tied to the peghead. My first acoustic lived like that for a long time. Somewhere along the way I put a button on. Never liked the strap tied to the peghead.
that's my thoughts too, almost like the builder wants it tied to the headstock, maybe so they will get repair work sooner? who knows! lol thanks for tuning in brother!
I bought a Hummingbird a few months ago it had a strap button but last week I bought a Sigma GJA-SG200 Grand Jumbo at twice the price guess what? NO STRAP BUTTON! When I was a kid 60 years ago I saw jokers on the TV with their straps tied to the head-stock and IT DIDN'T LOOK RIGHT, I knew SFA about guitars but it looked wrong.
Great video man. You feel like the stap button at the base of the neck (near the body) gets in your way when you go for the higher frets?
Check the "Bob Dylan "My Back Pages 30th Anniversary" video. Everyone on stage is using a strap tied to the headstock. I see pictures of very good musicians carrying their expensive guitars by the headstock, putting all the stress possible on the neck and the neck to body joint. I admit it does look pretty folksy and cool to carry that way but not for me. I carry my guitar (be it my Martin or my Yamaha) with a grip on the neck right at the neck to body joint,strongest place on the guitar. I also shield the body of the guitar with my body when walking with it as much as possible.
My version goes "I've been drinking miniatures. . . . Underneath the mirror ball. . . etc" Hope you like it.
Merci beaucoup senor!
Well Randy, A story about an old "Hippie type guitar guru nature lover, nudist" popped into my mind and how he always swore, was the only way to find attachment points for straps on guitars...... and I had considered telling it, but no, I ponder the consequences! I would not wish that you might think that I am somehow related to this person.........;) Thanks for a great "informaguitarbuttonlocatorvideo" (I see no reason for all the red underline things every time I use words this spell check hasn't heard of!) ;)
Thanks a lot Sir....learned a lot,regards from the uk.
very cool thank you my friend for watching!
Jazzers used to hang heavy arch tops like that too ... Grant Green, Wes.
Everything you said is true. I have seen that so many times. You are right Porter did do that. Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Makes sense! Great advice brother!
thanks brother! you would think the manufacturers would install both strap buttons when the instruments are built.
Ditto. Great tip as always.
But in that spot U feel t'he strap button in your hand When playing on 12th frets. Ther's no other option?
my old days 28 came with a strap that tied around the headstock I'm glad after all those tears of use it didn't hurt it any.i need to get 2 more 1 for my d28 another for my old jaguar the leather in that one is getting pretty rotten. there so expensive though for what they are.mabe I'll go to the leather shop and get some stuff to make some nice ones.
I don't know why guitar companies don't put a strap button near the heel from the factory, most of them never do yet they put one at the tail block.
Hi Randy, Do you have any neck-drop remedies, other than weights! I play finger-style Tele-jazz neck up. 🎸
Again a great quik tip!
many thanks my friend for checking it out!
Thank you! Appreciate the info!
Hank Williams Sr. tied his strap at the tuners too.
And Elvis Presley
Thanks for the great tips, Randy! What do you think about manually tightening the screw directly into the heel, instead of using a power drill? Sure it would take longer, but wouldn't it be safer?
It's better to slowly drill a pilot hole first before screwing in the strap button. If not you risk splitting the wood.
I wear my strap this "odd" way. i play bass guitar, hollow body electric. i added another strap point to the back of neck, just past the 1st fret as obviously ya dont want hand interference. this position lets the guitar player adjust the guitar so that the body of the guitar is not so centered on the torso, and consiquently the fret board closer to the body instead of way out in space to the left. i find the position 100x more comfortable.
for a guitar that has the neck bolted to the body, as my guitar does, and most electrics do, usually by 4 big bolts, thats plenty strong to support the guitar neck.
I do agree for that if the neck is glued to the body, that strapping at the end of the neck is a piss poor idea, as explained in this video.
I've heard that referred to as a hootenanny strap
that seems to be wrong as it is in the way when playing high notes. That seems to be the reason why manufactures do not install one. Any other option?
luca stricagnoli and mike dawes put their strap buttons near the bottom of the heel of the neck.
Thank you!
Hey Randy!
What would you do with a bump/hump around 14-th fret?
I guess fret dressing or reshaping the dartboard should solve any consequences of such change?
sometimes humidity (or lack of) will cause a hump or fall away, but if it's too bad you can pull all the frets and level the fretboard itself, you probably will need to make your fret slots a little deeper but this works.
Randy Schartiger But can adequate humidity cure the hump so it disappears? :o
Randy you where making me nervous picking up that Martin so many times.It's like picking up somebody's new born.lol
I have a question, maby you can make a video about it.
“Is it ok to hang your guitar to the wall? Or do you have to leave it in the case? Will it hurt the guitar?” Greets from Holland and my 00028 Martin ;)
I’ve seen other videos where this is discussed. It seems to be fine as far as weight on the headstock but what you have to worry is keeping it’s humidity regulated. You don’t want it to dry up. What little i know, I would say buy a laminate guitar to hang on the wall and keep the Martin in its case with a humidifier.
Thanks for the wisdom! :)
Huh.berry interesting .finishem Ferg!
Are you sure you don't want the strap button on the other side of the neck than you are showing?
The left side (as he showed it) provides for a more secure fit. The strap wraps around the heel making it nearly impossible to slip off or pull the button out.
I wear my strap on the headstock and nothing's happened to me yet.
The weight of the guitar is nothing. That is no problem at all. Because the guitar is only 8 lb/2 points. But, the weight of a heavy arm pressing down and the force of heavy strumming down to make 6 180 pound strings going down. That would do damage overtime. Thanks for the video Randy.
I have seen many folks rest their entire arm on the top side of the guitar when not playing it, you're right that is even more stress being put where the guitar doesn't need anymore. thanks for watching Jose! Have a happy 4th of July!
That's where I put the button on my acoustic.
it's out of the way there and distributes the weight of the geetar nicely. thanks for having a look TR!
Ive seen petty do that, its insane. A 5000 dollar guitar and its being abused
Great!
Yeah... Elvis did it in the early days too!
yes! I forgot about that, I remember seeing him with his strap like that. thanks Ed!
What year is that d 42
the owner says 1996 if memory serves.
Merci :-)
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