Tuning a T444e School Bus with Orion Reflash System - Joe's Bus
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- In this video, we use Power Hungry Performance's Orion Reflash System to add 60 horsepower to an International school bus. The bus is a work in progress that Joe uses as a mobile shop and is 20,000lbs+ loaded. We take you along as we test +25hp tunes and +60hp tunes. The Orion Reflash System works with most 1998-2006 International vehicles. If you need your International school bus or shuttle bus tuned, contact Power Hungry Performance for more information.
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Nice video! I love these buses, I grew up riding them and now own one that I grew up on. The bus sounds great too!
They are fun projects, for sure! Glad you got one with some history.
Could always put in larger injectors on a stock tune. It woke my t444e up crazy good with just 180/100's. Smoked my at545. Now it's got 400/400's and rips like heck.
We always recommend a modified injector file if you run aftermarket injectors. But I'd love to see a video of how good those 400/400s run on the stock tune.
@@PowerHungryPerformance Check my channel. I have a few videos with the 400/400 and one with the 180/100. Id be up for sending you the ecm if you want to tune it, but really does run awesome right now. Egts are just on the edge of too hot and I would guess it has 300hp right now. And a slight haze once the turbo lights.
Y’all should be replacing all the sensors & IPR. The IPR will make a whole lot of a difference in power. The valve moves in & out 100s of times a minute.
Just saw the video will be calling in the morning
I love it, I have the 444e tranny but only get 58 miles per hr. Would love to go 65-70. I have the 25ftr 7.3 bus. They call me slowpoke my whole life, would like to be called the sleeper slowpoke now. I was told to buy a chip for my computor, my bus is 2001 7.3 international T444e.
You may want to call PHP, I believe they sell this tune set up for the international T444E in medium duty applications.
I need this tune on both of mine
Give us a call or email. We can get you setup.
I need this for my bus
We've got them available in the shop page!
Along with tuning possibly a fuel rail crossover and the oil rail crossover. And maybe the adrenaline HPOP to maximize oil flow to the injectors.
Ive never understood how there are SO many aftermarket tuners catering to the Power stroke motor, but we T444E users have what seems to be almost zero aftermarket support......seems like you could throw a rock in any direction and hit somebody trying to sell you a plug in simple tuner for a power stroke, but i cant seem to find anything to help out us IH drivers. Thats how i found this Video, and i wish i was closer to Georgia, cuz i'd love to get this done to BOTH of my T444E equipped tow trucks.....
The computers are completely different. It's taken us a while to be able to communicate and custom tune them. If you need anything, reach out.
I am looking to get my hands on a cheap and/or wrecked bus with a 466 or 444 to build a wicked rat rod. I will definitely be getting in touch with you if I'm able to make this a reality
Man I've been killing myself trying to find info on properly tuning my International rollback with Spicer 5 speed cuz it's a pure 🐖 uphill even unloaded 😖 It's a 95 4700 that supposedly already has larger injectors and "had" some sort of chip installed (what kind I have no clue cuz there seem to be ZERO to be found for the T444E anyway) until they had trouble with rough idle/stalling and tossed it 🤷🏻♂️ She tops out at 69 mph, I'm thinking, in about the 2700 rpm range so I'm sure that's about all I'll safely get on that end which I can deal with...however, I've GOT to do something about low end torque and conquering hills better!! Super nice/lower mileage truck that I STOLE for less than half the average price and it's better than twice the average condition! BUT this turd is quite sad as is when it comes to any power honestly...
Give us a shout.
I have an identical truck to what your talking about and I completely understand where your coming from I am trying to get something done about it aswell I believe I just got a message from these guys so I'm honestly hoping that they can help me resolve my problems with mine because I love these old trucks they are what I started out in when I first started in the towing industry all the way to now that I have started out on my own they are all I look for when buying a truck because you can't beat them they are very slow but so reliable! I have a 1996 4700 t444e spicer 5sp and it's the 3rd one I've owned and the 7th I've drove in my lifetime and I just love them. I am in the process of trying to save 2 other trucks that I know are setting and going to waist aswell and I can't stand it I am on the owners buts trying to strike some kind of deal so I don't have to see them sit. One is an identical truck year model motor just with a 6+1 trans and the truck has a allumuminum carrier and mine has steel, also the other one is a 2000 4700 dt466e spicer 5sp that was a medium duty wrecker setup and they pulled the bed off and stuck it on a more modern chassis and the truck has been setting since then just going to shame with only 130k miles and apparently even a fairly fresh inframe on the motor. It may be the easier Truck to rescue, far as the 96 4700 with the t444e 6+1 truck I know that the people that have it said they had done work in recent years and the owners of the truck had gone out of business during the repairs and never came back for it and apparently left the bank holding the title to it so that one is gonna be a tuff one to rescue because it's gonna take making a deal with the lean holder and then making a deal with the people that have been holding it in storage for 5yrs or more on top of there repairs. But I'm really hoping to save them and have all of them Along with my truck now have this work done to them.
Same man
I put a ts 6 position tuner in my 95' 7.3. You can switch on the fly. 0-140 + hp
The chips won't work on a vehicle with this PCM. Also, unless you've got aftermarket injectors, supporting mods, and custom tunes, you aren't going to make 140hp over stock on a 95.
@@PowerHungryPerformance I know it's not 140 over stock but I notice a bit of difference. Is that not the same 7.3 engine?
@@markbroad119 Same engines (more or less) but with different computers. Communicating with the vehicle is always the hardest part.
@@PowerHungryPerformance I got a international 99 7.3 470 I wanna tune it any suggestions is not like my Ford F-250 is different ecm point me in the right direction
@@builtbytonyt5467 You would use our Orion Reflash System like this bus.
27,000rpm’s. Gottttt damn!
What MPG ? 8?
That is awesome that you got that much more power out of the 7.3, I have a 2000 short bus (6 window) and I'm pulling a 8 thousand pound Trailer (I sometimes get down to 12 mph going up steep long hills. I noticed you have 2 monitors near the visors (what make and model are they), I also noticed the 2 items on the lower left of the side dash what are those for?
I believe those were mostly for cameras and GPS. The Orion Reflash System can show live data, it just has to be plugged into a Windows laptop.
I see it works with a 1996 T444E, but what if it has an AT545 transmission? Does it need to be a 1000 or better transmission?
The 1994-1997ish will use the Hydra and will work with any transmission. The 1998-2006ish will use the Orion and it will also work with any transmission.
This video is great! But you actually don’t provide any information on how to accomplish this. Is it possible to get any contact information to the guy who helped you program it? Or could you write down the tuning specs and provide them?
Hey Mike. We programmed it. It's our software and our tunes. We are the company :)
@@PowerHungryPerformance any tunes available for a 1995 t444e international 3800
@@BATTLECRUISERJKU Give us a call at the shop or send us an email. We'll need to know the PCM code off your vehicle.
@@PowerHungryPerformance is this for the dt466e?
@@justinhawkins7401you may want to give them a call, as far as I know they really focus on the different variations of the 7.3, or International calls this engine the T444E.
@power hungry performance. Are you tunes available for me to load myself, or is it drive in only?
We've got the hardware available on the website for you to be able to do it remotely.
why did you bleep corona virus??
I'm looking at buying a 444
These things are frigin awesome, but you have to have $ for injectors & a new transmission. I found a t444e & almost got it, but I’d like to get a bus where it can run on waste oil fairly easily these powerstrokes are not very fond of the waste oil.
@Patrick Baptist, well the idis do, but after my experience with my 95 you can keep your veg the waste motor oil is cleaner & better for the IP that waste veg is actually very hard on your injectors & IP or HEUI injectors, if you do it you just need to clean your injectors out after use with pure diesel.
So is it the same tune that I can get for my 02 international 444 and how do I get that
It will be a similar interface, but the PCM code will determine which tune is appropriate. You can call the shop or email us: sales@phptune.com
I've got a T444E in my truck as well. Used to be an international bus now it has a Ford f700 body. Has upgraded turbo and exhaust intake and fuel pump. But you said the HEUI injectors are what limit the potential?
The intector size on this particular bus (and the Ford OBS trucks) are the primary limiting factor for horsepower. Depending on the application, you may be EGT limited before horsepower limited.
@powerhungryperformance I am building a 1999 crew cab 4700 with t444 for a over the road hauler , have all gauges installed to monitor engine, diff, etc to monitor this thing as closely as possible, have a 5inch exhaust ran egts, are good. Is there anything I should look into adding before I contact you for a tune job reliability is upmost importance but I need more power as I do run 70 up over the rockies regularly, loaded weights shouldn't exceed 26,000lbs
Wonder if this will work on my 97 4700 rollback...
On the 97, we would still do a Hydra Chip.
@@PowerHungryPerformance thank you! We ordered one last week!
@@Zaneagee11 any luck ?
@@adamgreen6793 yup I love it
@@Zaneagee11 how are you I have the same truck you have but I have a 5 speed spicer , it’s very slow at take off and only goes about 65 mph , I’m getting ready to order a hydra chip, can you tell me did it increase your power off the line and is it worth purchasing .
Can this be done to a 97 International blue bird?
I have been fans of bus. Dose your bus has a turbo, cus my bus driver dose
Can I buy this yet?
Yessir. We've been in full retail production for a while now. Orionreflash.com
Engine noise was overpowering. I thought this bus was a rear engine bus.
This bus is a front engine bus, our bus is a 466 in a pusher configuration.
What hp did you start at? Would this work for a t444e in a 4700lp?
The starting HP on this particular application was 175 HP. This is the most common power level for the HEUI injected T444e and DT466 applications.
The customer has since changed his turbo, exhaust, added an EGT gauge, had his 6th gear unlocked, and we've retuned the PCM to put his power levels where he can still maintain safe EGTs, even in the hills. It's at about 80 HP over stock which puts the total about 250 HP. This is about the limit of the injectors in this application anyway, so we're good.
At some point, I think he's going to go with a larger injector to get a bit more power for better acceleration. At that point, it's just a matter of keeping an eye on the EGTs.
To answer your other question, what year is your 4700? We've done many of those applications over the years. As long as it's '94 or later, we would have something for it. Just give us a shout.
@@williamcohron2380 since watching this video I contacted PHP and got on the waiting list for the equipment release. Was told it would be August or September.
I have a 1999 4700 with a T444e set to 230hp. It already has 6th gear and a EGT gauge. It's got a hauler bed that the previous owner used for pulling a horse trailer. I'll be pulling a 5th wheel camper (my family and I are fulltime RV).
I want something that will be able to adapt to mods like you listed and the woman at PHP I talked said it would.
I'm coming out of an HDT, an '01 Volvo VNL 660 with a Volvo D12 motor. Just about everyone in the HDT RV community says the medium duty's, like an International or Freightliner M2 will be a dog. I think your product has great potential in the market and am eager for It's release and to purchase it.
Thanks for replying.
@@MrJhart25 Glad you got in touch. I apologize for getting back so late. I've been buried with the development and hadn't gone back in to look at the comments.
Looking forward to working with you.
Unlocked 6th gear?? Say what now? I have the Allison at545
I have 96 444e no power in the hill drive like 35 miles in 3gear can you hel me plays
96 would be the Hydra Chip!
I got a 1995 Thamos ER School Bus with a Remanufactured 2007 250hp Cat 3116 that has been underpowered by the school district. Any way this guy can reflash my ECM to reset to the 250hp?
We wouldn't have anything for that, unfortunately. We're almost primarily the Fords and Internationals.
Have you played with the T444E turbod 190 HP platforms??
We have. They all take a tune the same way, regardless of the base rating.
@@PowerHungryPerformance Well I certainly would love to know if I could squeeze a little more out of our bus motor.
@@nnyboy320 A tune is a simple place to start. These vehicles follow a similar upgrade path to the Ford vehicles.
Stock power for a t444e is 210.
@@michaelbenoit248 Close, they're are actually three governed settings for then 444 "E" platform. Mine happens to be dialed back to about the 195 HP mark. The next one down I think was 174 HP, don't quote me on that though lol
can power hungry performance do any tuning on the vt365?
It depends on the year, but we most likely can.
@@PowerHungryPerformance Can I mail you my ECU from a 2001 international 1652 with a t444e. Its 19k loaded and has the stock 195 hp tune. Can you guys help me out?
@@centralpacificexplorer3915 We can. Give us a call at the office.
@@PowerHungryPerformance ok I’ll do that next week thanks 🙏 🤙🏻
No intercooler?
Do you have any thing for dt466e?
It’s the same, but you can swap out the gears in the rear diff to add a lot of speed without raising the RPM. Higher RPM will cause a lot more wear on the motor.
@@lipinskirl Thank you very much
What is the bus model? It's short or long?
Could this be done to the 7.3l powerstroke? Ford cutaway bus...
Shoot us an email or give us a call. We can most likely help you out.
1.2 mph per second! You got passed by an old guy in a hovaround chair!
How much do you charge to do this?
Shoot sales@phptune.com an email if you're interested.
How is this acomblished who do u got to and programm??
Using our Orion Reflash System. It's a device that allows us to communicate with the PCM using a Windows computer. Check back on our website. We're going to retail this week!
Were is this guy located.
Our company is based in Georgia.
I can't find anybody insure mine
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Is anything new happening with this. Looking to upgrade my school bus 😂🤣
Oh yeah. We're wide open tuning Internationals.
Will the software interface with NexIQ?
It will not. The software will be our own. Sorry!
what transmission is in his bus
Allison 2000 or 2500 series 6 speed automatic
@@BlackLightning4547 it’s actually a 5 speed. 6th gear is locked out.
@@charlesrodriguez7984 6 speed by design, but most do have 6th locked out to limit top speed and/or because of the differential ratio may be too high and will lug(I know diesel engines can tolerate that but won't have the best performance) the engine.
@@BlackLightning4547 it will lug lower powered engines for sure. 230-250 hp is the sweet spot.
@@charlesrodriguez7984 definitely, but if it had even more power, we got a rocket
I think skoolie.net would be interested in this
I'm in contact with them. Hopefully they'll get back with me about being a sponsor/vendor. Thanks!
@@williamcohron2380 Lol, I saw your post there
Sent you an email; - I have the almost identical bus. I am in Alberta Canada
you want more power biger turbo with 2 turbos change the rear end to 4 10 dusl exaust and turn up the fuel remeber its a v8 so dual exaust will make it breathe easier so the horse power goes to the wheels instaed of forcing it through single ehaus staright pipe it to and put a performanxe miffler alsp chane the trany to a alison 2000 tranny not that piss ant at 545 box truck tranny