Is Jose Mourinho still special?
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- Jose Mourinho’s 'Roman reign' came to an abrupt end Tuesday morning. Former captain Danielle de Rossi will now take charge of Roma until the end of the season. But is he still special?
Ayo Akinwolere is joined by Jack Pitt-Brooke and James Horncastle to discuss Jose's memories as Roma manager, his style of football and where next he will be looking to use his talent.
00:00 Intro
00:40 Jose Mourinho sacking
04:50 Jose at Roma
09:22 Mourinho’s style of football
16:53 What will be next for Jose?
19:56 Jose’s success as a manager
27:03 Mourinho’s memories
31:13 Could Barcelona be next?
35:03 Could England be an option?
37:45 Where would he be able to use his talent?
39:40 Will he come back to the Premier League?
42:00 Final comments
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Roma have been making more than 100 million on players transfers for the last 2 seasons. The only reason Roma were able to sign so many players on a free was because of Mourinho reputation. Dybala, Lukaku, Wini would have never signed if not for him
Imagine any of them signing for Roma before José arrived
...and a huge wage bill. Wage bill and league position tend to go hand in hand, yet Roma are massively underperforming this.
@@mvjbass9561 not really. 5 points off 4th which is the target after a stretch of horrendous games (against the top 6). Back to back european finals for Roma is special. 3rd highest wage bill, while it is correct, is mostly due to the fact that tiago pinto raised pellegrini to “star-player” level in terms of salary, as he earns nearly as much as the league’s star players osimhen and leao while he is very much underperforming for 2 years. they have also spent the 3rd least amount (18th in the league in 3 of the 4 previous windows).
@@mvjbass9561massively underperforming my ass😂
@@mvjbass9561 Exactly 3rd highest wage bill in Serie A and no CL 2 seasons in a row and 9th in the table. Not Special. Not anymore. Maybe David Moyes level
so jack is essentially arguing that mourinho should be thrown into a volcano by hobbits?
Right? People that don’t like Jose, REALLY don’t like Jose 😄
His coverage of Mou during his spurs days always had a negative slant.
Sounds good
@@thejoshway764because they were shit?
@@thisisalarm The 2 things they like are bottle and levy.....
I am so impressed with James Horncastle's knowledge and insights on Italian football, he really knows his stuff.
Good contrast to Jack who seems to know Jack all
@@otto_jk in my initial comment I actually mentioned that but edited it because I thought it was too harsh 🤣 he's a Spurs/England expert so I'm not sure what he was doing on this. Horncastle, on the other hand, is a real Expert on this topic. As a Roma fan, he accurately presented all of my feelings on this event
@@ChrisSmith74627I can understand why he as a spurs fan doesn't like him, but it really does sound more like a like salty spurs fan gloating at Jose's misfortune father than objective analysis.
@@otto_jk totally, not really a valuable contribution to this podcast
They should have him on a lot more, very genuine, knowledgeable and clear in his vibe and delivery. I always click when I see him on YT content.
81 points in the Premier League in 17/18 with united, that was quite incredible. Best achievement by a mile since 11/12. Roma had the 3rd least transfer spent in the last 4 windows. Going to back to back finals is huge, Roma as the guys here said had not won a european trophy since 1961. they had not won anything since 2008. and i know it may not be a popular opinion, but for Roma Fans that second final was a robbery. Mourinho doesn‘t say for nothing that in his eyes that final was won. Which would have been their first UCL qualification in 6 years.
They beat Bayer Leverkusen, who are flying high with Xabi Alonso, Sociedad who finished first place in the UCL group. Jose is a very intelligent man who has been kind of heartbroken by the ownership. Roma were never expected to win trophies or reach finals, even the most positive roma fan would have been ecstatic by the idea of reaching 2 finals in 2 years before his arrival.
The general feeling amongst the Roman fanbase is that the sacking is undeserved, because after 6 games against the top 6, they are „only“ 5 points behind top 4. now they have 3 games against relegation sides which could give them a great chance to go back into top 4, wherebthey had been only 6 weeks ago. Jose always defies logic and odds, and so he has in Rome.
I’m sorry but some revisionist history here, finishing second with man united isn’t some incredible achievement, OGS did the same, the propaganda is insane
Highest paid coach in Italy
3rd highest wage bill
Massive spending in his first season (which you conveniently ignored)
Roma got to the final on small margins v Leverkusen, you can't then complain when the small margins go against you to a bottom half La Liga team.
Roma had a 0% chance of top 4, lost regularly to the worst teams in Serie A
He's washed and sycophants are deluded.
@@00dude3you can turn it around as you wish, but mourinho at his worst is still better than most coaches at their best. 2 finals in 2 years is something special that roma had not done in history, and Roma are still only 5 points off champions league football. He is the anti-conformist of modern football, where selfish behaviour is being rewarded instead of hard work. Tiktok videos are more important than work on the training ground. Roma fans adore Mourinho
@SuperYannick63 the argument against Jose, more than anything else, is an economic one
Clubs exist to generate money - and yes, most clubs fail on this
Get a "proven winner" coach that will have wage requests, transfer requests, that is known for devaluing and berating club assets / young players, often alienating fans and club hierarchy, reputed for drama, on the one-off chance that he may win something
He is an expensive lesson many clubs need to learn
Best achievement by any coach? You are joking haha. Roma have the 3rd highest wage spend in Serie A and should be doing better.
Jose is such a pantomime figure. As a fan of a different PL team I hated him when he had his 1st spell at Chelsea, but when he moved to Inter and Real Madrid I was able to appreciate him from a far. His battles with Guardiola has to be up their with the biggest manager rivalries of all time, and was an absolute dream to watch! Even as someone who loved watching that prime Barcelona team, that Inter vs Barcelona CL semi final will live fondly in my memory. "We needed some water to clean my players blood from the pitch". Legendary.
This might be silly, but I can only compare him to a WWE villain. I hated certain ones so much when I was a 7 or 8 years old that when I grew up I realised how good they were, because they elicited so much emotion from me and created memories. Every team Jose managed I preferred a rival domestic club, but I've massive respect for him now and will live long in the memory of football fans
The real question is "how important is the manager relative to how well the club is run?"
Managers aren't all-powerful and we use them as scapegoats for wins and losses, which is not always true.
Wenger and Capello said something like a great manager can only make a team 4% better off at most, but a bad one can take them 15% worse off.
Their biggest factors of success is the players, that's why managers always try to have transfer control. Fergie, Mourinho, Wenger, Capello, Pep, Arteta, Klopp can only thrive with the players they had.
If Mourinho don't have the best players, he would not have the best team. Even in Porto's win, he had some great players join. Pep's won almost everything because all the best players gather there. It is as simple as that. Give Mourinho a blank check, and he would assembled the best team. Give him ManUtd or Spurs players, and suddenly he washed out.
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it's funny how people talked about Ancelotti at Everton like they talk about Mourinho now, then Big Carlo suddenly goes to Real wins to the CL and now he's elite again.
@@otto_jk That's why I stay away from the GOAT manager debate. Zidane won 3 UCL with the greatest players assembled at the time. So did Pep. They are great coaches for the job they have, but put them in a Spurs team, and I doubt they can do much. Mourinho could only managed to win them a League Cup if he wasn't sack, and I think Levy sacked him because he did not want Mourinho demanding more expensive players if he did won a trophy and take them to a new level.
I also found the manager "not having the players they need to succeed " to be a terrible excuse. It is their job to work with the players they have. I don't recall Carlos Ancelotti whined about Everton players not to his standards, he played them to the best of their ability. Play Real Madrid to the best of their ability, he won the UCL and La Liga. Ancellotti's Everton and Mourinho's Roma can only be where their players capable of.
He's taken on a hell of a lot of difficult jobs he just needs the right place
Horn castle in that white T and Roma tracksuit combination is absolutely stunning. Look at that collar man!!
I went to Italy last year from Canada just to watch Jose Mourinho. He was the reason I started to follow Roma.
"Jose Mourinho is like the one ring in The Lord of The Rings" has to be quote of the year.
Jose should Coach the national Team of Uruguay or Chile! Underdogs, fighting Spirit, traditional rivalries - he would live it, i think
Agree, one of the few places where you can find real men and not mussies complaining about their feelings
Uruguay has Bielsa and they're playing amazing football, I absolutely wouldn't sack him for Jose
I remember last year, making a video about Mourinho, and predicting his departure/dismissal before Euros. I think there's always going to be a market for Jose Mourinho, just as it was with the great Carlo Ancelotti after his Bayern and Napoli failures, and Everton departure .
Brilliant video as always ⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽
You made a video predicting he’d be sacked before the euros? The comp that is after his contract expires?
@@nathanjohnwilliamson7675 also in his 3rd season, it was a bold out of the box prediction
@@Ryan-ys2bq truly bold
@FootballDrawn you make a great point that there will always be a market for him... Saudi or USA... But maybe Struggling Arsenal could look at him, Chelsea again would make sense for me as a United fan... But even when we fire Ten hag which I'm confident could happen, he could well be a favourite of Sir Jim Redcliffe... I'm also looking at Ajax struggling heavily but Johan Cruyff will turn in his grave if Mourinho has to coach his park the bus football at Ajax 😂😂😂 But also, there's a lot of Champions League playing teams that will grab him quick and fast 🤞🏽🇿🇦
He should face it, that he is a good manager, when it comes to competitions like Ucl, EL, CL, so we he is not making a job as manager for a country? (Like Portugal)
Who is the guy in the roma jacket? He speaks well and knows about the game. Great pod!
I personally have never seen this version of happy Jose. Jose has proven at Roma that he’s special, those transfers, those injuries all the debuts of youngsters he gave.
I love Jose yes,
This must be a different Jose your talking about , when he was a Tottenham Manager he gave no debut to youngsters and I never seen any young player improve under him, he prefered Skipp and hojbjerg to talented players like Sarr and Bissouma and kept on making excuses why the team sat back.
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yeah, Sarr played in Metz and Bissouma in Brighton when Mourinho was the manager. It's quite difficult to pick players who play for other clubs.
Moourinho always took the club when it was in difficult period , would actually like to see him in healthy environment to actually what he can do, when nobody pressure him that much.
The irony is, AFAIK, the locals loved him. His team did underperform, but it just painful.
Jose is KING, He will always be the special one no matter what.
If the FA has any sense get Jose as next England Manager... with the players we have and Jose's shit-housery we can win.
Mourinho work at Roma was very good. He did not achieve top 4, but Roma had 4th most expected points in 2021/2022 and 3th most in 2022/2023. It is not the fault of the manager if the team underperforms their xG. Two things contributed to this: having the worst goalkeeper in Serie A (Rui Patrício is the goalkeeper who conceded the most goals compared to the goals he was expected to concede) and missing tons of chances.
This not to mention his European record at Roma was excellent. Mourinho proved in this work that he is still a great manager. Regarding the sacking, it was totally unexpected.
Fans were still backing him and most player liked him. This not to mention Roma was only 5 points from top 4 after an injury crisis and having a difficult sequence of games at the same time.
This not to mention that Roma has 6th most expected points. This means that the fall in perfomance was normal for a team that had so many injuries.
Any more excuses for him
@@Sidwhite-yb5cv So the manager is responsable for the goalkeeper being shit and attackers missing chances? It is just a question of looking in an objective manner to data and facts.
@@Sidwhite-yb5cv Lol
Someone using data to back him up and this is the comeback given
Not surprised
@@saumitradeo5336 Lowest win rate of any Roma Manager since 91
@@luizhumbertocampos1103 Who picks the team numbnuts
The problem with Mourinho is that he's a bit of a "Transfers" manager. Back him in the transfer market, constantly buy him his first or second choice player, get rid of any players he doesn't fancy and he'll do a fantastic job, as he did at Chelsea, Inter and Real Madrid. But, if you don't allow him to simply buy in success then he can't seem to be able to get things to work.
That's not a knock on him, even Guardiola has a large element of that - at Bayern they already had the best players and just bought in more great players, and at City they've spent 1.5 Billion Euro's since Guardiola took charge in 2016.
No matter how good or how innovative a manager you are, money will always win at the end of the day.
Take Jose Mourinho, put him at a club like PSG with pretty much unlimited finances, or a Newcastle who are on the up & up with near limitless funding (FFP permitting) and he'll still do a good job. It's just not necessary now to have a Mourinho because of the press issues he brings, the fallings out with players and so on.
This roma sacking is very different from his previous ones. This is the first time he's sacked with still most of the squad behind him and the fans loving him. Even the statement from roma said they will never forget his time there. It was purely a football decision based on 3 back to back defeats to juventus Lazio and AC Milan and also Roma's finances just couldn't work anymore with Jose's demands
Err Chelsea first time Frank lampard on the obi one pod said he was crying when he found out
@@danielrowe7998I forgot about that one
That was the dumbest sacking ever. He finished 2nd that season 😊
Was just about to post that lol
I can understand why they sacked him, would also have understood if they'd kept him on till the end of the season, but this doesn't negativity affect Mourinho or Roma imo. Everyone did everything they could to make it work, but was always going to be a strained relationship with Mourinho's needs & Roma's standing & dire financial situation & it wore itself out naturally. From Mourinho's side he can be proud of that job, maybe his best one since Inter tbh.
@@brandonayong5823 Wasn't a sacking, was a mutual termination! Mourinho's said multiple times his plan was to do the big 3 leagues, he was gone end of that season at the latest anyway.
@@HHHBFResurrected Yeah, i read that somewhere too,,I refused the compensation....Also at Madrid, he didnt wanna stay after the 3rd season....
48:16 Brilliant effect .
Give him the Newcastle job and they'll be box office until they're set to compete in 2-3 years
No big team wants his park the bus football.
James Horncastle....where did you buy that Roma trackie top? I need it in my life haha
He will always be the special one.
The One Ring analogy is so good, as a Chelsea fan that's definitely how it feels lol
Horncastles jacket is mega
Hasn't been for many years. Still one of the all-time greats, of course.
3 mins in and Jack is telling us that Roma should have been playing better football while ignoring the fact that the squad was constantly bloated with injuries, and played attacking football when he had his full team
And no one in the podcast brings up the transfer spend of 15mill that friedkins gave him in his last 2 seasons, to compete with the top 5 which is damn near possible, while also having to sell his core players and then having to manage injuries to his new signings, half of them free agents 😂
If a club wants Mourinho, they need to back him to the fullest which his C.V deserves. Highlighting man united, spurs and roma who havent backed him financially and giving him the leeway to sell Who he wants, and saying those are examples of him being a "knockout manager" only is a terrible terrible argument from Jack
Typical English pundits saying nonsense. Other news, water is wet
if he's an elite coach why can't he improve players?
Saying he was hamstrung at his last 3 jobs is hilarious.
@@00dude3if Pep's an elite coach why did he buy Grealish for 100 million instead of improving some city's academy player?
@@00dude3are you really gonna insinuate that mourinho doesn’t improve his players?
The suggestions of Mourinho to Newcastle ultimately fail to appreciate some key cirumstances:
A) The club need a builder, someone who can work as part of a longer term project to undo the neglect under Ashley.
B) The club don't have the kind of FFP room at the moment to allow or justify a Mourinho splurge on players in or around their prime, especially because they already have far too many old players on the books on contracts which need to be shifted.
C) The ownership are very process driven and are taking a view towards the long term. Firing their current manager to bring in a high risk, volatile coach goes against that, esppecially given the only thing you'd likely get might be a domestic cup.
D) The fanbase remain behind Eddie Howe, and as much as there is a lot of affection for Mourinho in terms of his status and links to Robson, there's also a general enjoyment of not being in the headlines because the manager has said something stupid or volatile. Having been through coaches like Kinnear, Allardyce, Bruce, Pardew and Carver who all said things which made the club look like mugs, having someone who comes across as quietly professional is a nice change and I don't think we'd want to change just for the sake of it.
Realistically, if and when Howe goes, I suspect we're more likely to see the club looking at someone younger like Fonseca. If Jose is to return to England, I suspect we're more likely looking at a team like West Ham.
The B is the largest factor I also think that if you get Mourinho you need to give him a budget to buy players.
Ps. Fonseca is a terrible suggestion as he was literally the previous manager of Roma and did even worse than Mourinho.
Also the only club where he's been good was Shaktar Donetsk which is basically the PSG of Ukraine.
@@otto_jkFonsema did better than Jose though, at least not sitting at 9th
Wonder how many points Ancelotti had at Everton, went on to win a Champions League… cup manager too?
9:20 Very true, I watched a few games from Roma this season.. found it ok to watch I think they tied the game but I was entertained. But I won't be watching them again this season. Roma as a team doesn't really have anyone that's considered top tier, dybala is debatable. Lukaku was a beast when he was younger. Mancini is developing.. an argument to be made whether they deserve a better spot.
Was Ayo a Blue Peter presenter?
The Special One is still one of the best managers in the world, however his ego usually betrays him and that's why he's been sacked off from AS Roma for the results. So, I hope he can find a new football club as soon as possible.
why isn't anyone mentioning that roma sacked tiago pinto two weeks prior to releasing jose??? Pinto was the guy who advocated for Jose's arrival....
If I was Jose, I wouldn't want to befriend with Pinto...He gave him a handicapped Renato, Ginny....Overpaid players...
Honestly, sacking Mourinho because he is in 5 points reach of a CL place, to put a inexperienced De Rossi in his place just feel stupid, it feel like Tottenham sacking him before the cup final, i think they were afraid he would do it, and force them to renew his contract
Mourinho will forever be special, no sackings can take that away from him. As much as Pep has achieved what he has, he can never do what Jose did with Porto and even Roma. He delivered a European trophy with that squad, it is incredible?
The conference ? Are you joking they had a bigger budget and better squad than everyone they played in the conference league
He's on a par with David Moyes for winning the conference league, truly the special one
@@00dude3Comment made by someone who clearly doesn't understand football if you think Moyes is on par with him
I found it interesting that no one mentions the change of transfer approach in his final year at Roma: From a team average 23.5 years old, he suddenly stepped up to a 27 years old team with a lot of old players on loan. I think Mountinho fell back on old patterns.
Fonseca's last season their key players were Dzeko, Pedro and Kolarov and their youth prospects outside of Zaniolo were nothing to write about.
They lost money on most of the young players they signed and sold and their sporting director was thus fired.
Just buying random youth players doesn't guarantee success.
Pinto had to clean up the mess Monchi left. Considering the state Roma was in back then he did a good job in making the squad smaller, and get rid of expensive wages. @@otto_jk
I think the point about José not being able to amass high points total's in the league is somewhat invalid, when you factor in the quality of the squads he has had relative to the competition.
Ultimately, he has delivered an acceptable league performance, supplemented by excellent cup and European runs/wins.
Roma have a pretty high calibre 13-14 players but lack the depth to compete in 3 competitions.
Yes still one of the best managers around
JM has been a much softer and friendly guy in his Roma role but people just don't change their mind😂 his team needs to be well built -- just imagine if I'm a team at 18th, beating JM team could be the true pleasure for the whole season due to attentions😂
I don't know anything about what's gone on at roma but I heard that he won them a european final and got them to another one. So he cant hardly be called a failure. Even when everyone seems to be against him and things seem to be going wrong he somehow still always finds himself there in the mix for trophies. He was about to win a trophy at spurs too and levy sacked him to make sure that didnt happen lol. The man still has a winning mentality, i'm not sure if he can handle the pressures of competing for the premier league anymore but if he was back in england i think he could still do great for a lot of clubs. Or like lots of people are saying, international management might be perfect for him now
What a thumbnail 😮💨
I like Jame's tracksuit top.
Incredible bravery and courage to ignore what the fans wanted. I really don't like modern football
Jose even in what some consider failure manages to achieve things that haven't been done for a while. It's similar theme to how Pep is judged by winning/not winning the UCL wherever he goes. Just shows the standards if anything for me.
Even though Mourinho might not be as invincible as before, the fact that he never lost the fans or the players in Roma and yet was let go does sound harsh. Two games away from top 4 is not the worst. Certainly better than what a certain Spurs lemon merchant is currently doing at the club I support. Have that Jack.
Difference between Pep and Jose is the 115 charges at City and the documented paying off of refs in Barcelona. People give Pep too much credit.
If we want to call a master tactician a master manager, then we will have to include Bielsa as one of the greatest managers of all time.
I don't include Bielsa in that list. Jose has a history of building up all sectors of the club in places like Chelsea and Real Madrid. He even builds up the staff (Rodgers at Chelsea and Zidane at Madrid).
Pep has had everyone else to take care of the other things. THATS THE BIG DIFFERENCE.
Pep is a master tactician, like Bielsa, who has had the benefit of having the strongest squads and most money at his disposal. Jose is a master manager, who similar to SAF and Arsene, has shown he can build an entire club.
For me, Jose is a great, but he's at his greatest when he's in adversity. He needs a small or medium club with a siege mentality to produce That Amazing Football. Of course, Real Madrid is an exception, but even there, he had the underdog mentality against Barca - said "we won without being the best team." I think he needs to go somewhere small and quiet, and build it into a beast with less of a public eye, then come out of nowhere and make a big push for trophies.
Stoke?
Porto part 2 I would love it and I think I deserve it
busted flush
@@otto_jk porto was never a small club 😂😂😂😂😂😂
You guys are very funny😅.
Over the course of the last three years, I have closely followed AS Roma, and it is evident that the ownership had unrealistic expectations, overlooking the resources available. Their approach seems to have been focused on results without a practical consideration of the resources at their disposal.
Did Mourinho experience failure at AS Roma? Clearly not, especially given the constraints of a limited budget and the strategy of acquiring players through loans and free transfers. I foresaw this outcome, particularly following the departure of Pinto.
Brasil is looking for a national team coach ;)
The lie: Mourinho spent €130m in 1st season with Roma in '21
The truth:
Jan 27th '20 - Ibañez joins
Sept 17th '20 - Kumbulla joins
Feb 1st '21 - Reynolds joins
All with OBLIGATION to buy, their cumulative price of €45m counts into those €130m
May 21st '21 - Mourinho joins
Man brought two European trophies of the last three he's been two. It's not even a question.
Europa trophy for United is no accomplishment. Mickey Mouse indeed.
Lukaku and Chelsea “Oh shit, what do we do now”
The last time a coach and club went to two finals in a row was Mourinho at Porto.
News: you won both!
If he joins Napoli.. he’ll make history for sure….
Its sad seeing Jose like this , tactics are envolving every year and teams are becoming more fluid in there play so its harder to play sit back football without inviting too much pressure and you carnt treat players like they did back in the day.
I think it's telling that the mr Brexit football himself Sean Dyche has his team pressing quite aggressively nowadays.
I think Mourinho could evolve by having a small epiphany with figuring out how he could incorporate pressing into his strategies.
Nope, the real reason is the finance...Roma have to make 60m this summer...Last summer was 30m.......When Roma Jose is out, they can probably take lukaku, dybala an tammy out since Jose is not there...
His football heritage speech
I could see José at Nottingham Forest, it suits the craziness of the ownership
I watch Italian league because of Jose Mourhino
considering the sells and incoming for roma, jose was drastically overachieving
People are funny. He IS special and always will be. He took Roma to two consecutive European finals. Do you know where Roma has been the last 24 years?
People say "oh he's getting sucked all the time". Yeah by clubs with no ambition or plan for god's sake. He, Don Carlo, Pep and Sir Alex are the pinnacle of managerial history.
He did reach the Europe Final last season, right? when big clubs failed.
Should have won it it wasn't for the worst performance of Anthony Taylor
120 minutes of dire dog poop football but as usual it’s someone else’s fault
@@tevildo45 If its poop football then it's fine he lost but he lost because of bad decisions by referee. You know the difference right?
He lost cos he couldn’t get the job done, every team moans and cry’s when the lose a final, when Porto knocked out MU from champions league in 04 they had a goal ruled out for offside that was onside, they still moan about it, Roma lost and it’s that simple,
Mourinho is my second favourite coach of all time... Behind Sir Alex... So to me... Special is special... It's not a perishable skill... Roma is in a better playing position than before him... He needs another big team move... I'ts a pity Brazil had already appointment someone... Would have loved to see what he couod do with the 1000 world class players at his disposal....
He was special. Not now. Not anymore. Maybe David Moyes level
Surely if he manages internationally it will be with Portugal?
Club legends getting jobs based on pedigree of playing rather than coaching its crazy how often we are seeing this now haha.
Strangely, I could see him doing quite well at West Ham but the fact they're in a lot better form this season and won the conference last year I'm not sure their owners will go for it but surely they'd be somewhat tempted
It'd definitely be interesting for the Premier League, I'd love to see him back and West Ham seems like the best fit (other than maybe Chelsea or Man U but i feel he's pretty much set up to fail at either), whereas with West Ham they have a few great players like Paqueta, Bowen, Kudus etc and the fans would be happy just to be in or around 6th unlike Man U or Chelsea and also the transition from David Moyes wouldnt be as drastic as say Newcastle or some other clubs
I think not making the champions league spot last season was the turning point. Roma is too broke to keep an expensive manager like Jose and not making Champions League money.
Jose going to barca and winning the championship league would be an insane ending to his coaching career
Thats Andi from Blue Peter...
20:12 So True
i just found out that through this podcast in the entire history of Italian Football, only Jose's Inter Milan has completed the treble. Amazing achievement and surprising considering Italian football was so dominant still none of the sides managed to do it.
Juve and Milan both have had close calls but both were so dominant in the period between the 80s and 00s that you just couldn't compete in three competitions with full force.
U know nothing about Serie A before Jose came to Inter. The most competetive league in history of football
Yes, yes he is.
Spurs fan here. By the time he was at Tottenham, he was basically a caricature of himself. The football was more reactive than ever and despite some good results (United away comes to mind), I’ve basically totally forgotten his time in charge
The problem was that your backline besides Alderweirald sucked, Mourinho had to counter because no manager would have trusted that backline
You've probably forgotten about it because you lost the League Cup Final. Don't pretend that's below Tottenham when you haven't won anything in 15 years.
It's not enough to be a winner nowadays, you have to win in style.
Sometimes I think a lot of fans appreciate beautiful football more than winning. Bunch of losers
@@1992zorro I appreciate it more. I'd rather win though.
well he was doing neither
@@1992zorroask Spurs fans if they would take Jose back
@@mrD66M Spurs fans like being losers, look at their ghost trophy cabinet. They didn't even got mad when Mourinho got sacked a day before the final of thr Cup
The Special, Once
Chelsea fans classless as ever
Once yet won titles for you in 2 spells…. And UCLs with Porto and Inter while knocking Peps Barca off the perch… Special many times
@@Ryan-ys2bq stop living in dinasour era.. jose needs to retire...finished manager!! capiche?
@@kamranscent what are you replying to? Doesn’t refute my point he was special many times
The self appointed special one.
The thumbnail is a hit job 😂😂
Yes, he’s still “special”. But not as special as he once was. Like everything else, football moves on.
Well put together team at united??? are you serious?? United didn't back Jose and they overachieved if anything. Some UK journalists are just haters
Weird to see nobodies making fun of THE SPECIAL ONE
Expecting Roma to be ther with those type of investment...De Zerbii and Eddieust be shit...judging from the standing...
He finished one point behind City with that awful United team.... That's what all my close mates from Manchester remember him for anyway. 🙄👍
Napoli needs a coach rn 🙄
I would say that nowadays he’s “especially special”!…😅
Horncastle Hive in the comments babyyyyyyyy
its time for PSG
I love the idea of the people overthrowing democracy for the autrocrat 😂
He was an all time great up until Real Madrid now he's bang average. Something broke inside him and his ego spun out of control since then.
this is one of the weirdly funny podcasts I have ever heard in my 2 years of listening to athletic. grown up journalists who are literally the greats in their area creating hypothetical situations (which are literally never going to happen) and absurdly discussing their hypothetical consequences xD much like random youtubers. its funny
COMEBACK AT MANCHESTER UNITED OR ARABIA SAOUDITE
Probably could be a good option for Newcastle
Roma didn’t invest. What do you want Mourinho to do?
People saying he got players.
Dybala gets more injured than Neymar. Lukaku a reject not even Inter and Juve wanted him. Paredes washed off. Renato hasn't been on pitch for 30 mins due to injury. Then there are Leeds United a championship side defenders and fullbacks on loan not even bought.
Pellegrini who is a ghost of his past. Cristante who gives his 100% but can't play his natural game because covering for other's mistakes.
Tammy haven't played a single minute this season due to injury.
Belotti who scored 0 goals in league last season.
Azmoun an Iraqi striker on loan.
Fullbacks who can't cross for their life.
Man can only do enough he's not a messiah who can conjure wine out of water.
As they say Rome wasn't built in a day.
No cohesion and strategy if you acquire loan players for half a season and they remain injured in that too.
People really think he's Harry Potter
He always carries an excuse around in his pocket
Ask Spurs supporters if any of them want Jose back
The slander from tiny minds that will never achieve what he achieved. Respect. Respect. Respect.
Osimhen and Leão aren't "houshold names"???? What on earth are you on about? Sometimes it's like people in that country live in an alternate reality.
Luke Shaw says Nope. To be serious, he’s not English.
The level of disrespect show to Jose mourinho in this video is amazing. Suggestive that Southgate is a better manager in any aspect is ridiculous
This was American owners playing billy big bollocks before his contract is up. Romas next three games are against three of the bottom four in the league. No way we're they going to see him get 9 points and see his stock rise again.
He barely beat Clemonese in the cup he had to rely on a dodgy peno, no way was he getting 9 points from 9
Most managers have a golden era and then a long period where they are no longer elite but neither they nor the public are quite sure until a few seasons pass and they are no longer anywhere near the top.
From 2001-2009 Rafa Benitez was winning La Liga, the UEFA Cup, the Champions League, and challenging for the PL and then, after that, he never got near those trophies again, for whatever reason.
From 1996-2008/9 Wenger was widely regarded as a world-class manager and was highly sought after by the best clubs and always expected to challenge for the PL and go far in the CL, but, after that, it was clear he would never win the PL again or get to a CL final. He was suddenly an FA Cup and top-four manager.
It was the same with Dalglish when he returned to manage Liverpool around 2010/11. Although he is one of the most successful managers in Britain, and was a multiple champion with Liverpool and Blackburn, it was clear his time had passed and he would never do better than domestic cups.
Mourinho's golden era was 2003-2015. since then he hasn't been anywhere near a title race in any country or anywhere near a Champion's League QF. Just like late-stage Wenger, Benitez, or Dalglish, his ceiling is now the Europa League, the Conference League and domestic cups.
It's ironic because he mocked Arsenal for going 10 years without a league title and will celebrate that milestone himself next year, and mocked Benitez for winning the Europa League but was then chasing the referee to the car park after losing the final.
Managers like Ferguson and Ancelotti, who can seemingly stay at the top for as long as they want are definitely the exception. Guardiola is looking like he can join that club after 15 years of hoovering up trophies without any sign of stopping. For the rest, time moves on; tactics change, the media changes, players' behaviour changes, and only a few rare maestros can adapt.
The sacked specialist. #thesackedone