Can You Beat Jak And Daxter Without Eco?
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Play Ironsworn instead.
Really respect the 4D-chess play, in selling the art as the best part of a mobile game.
Wowee! *Looking* at it is the BEST PART!!!
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That’s the effed-up part.
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You know what? After watching the entire sponsor, I gotta agree. He did a good job with a shitty situation
Still, Promotion Skip Button: 2:17
Trash game. Shilling it even ironically is still scummy.
You know, I appreciate you saying "I can't do this, but I did find a guy who did, so it counts". Sometimes it's not about driving yourself to insanity to do an amazingly difficult trick, it's about knowing that it can be done.
It's about driving others to insanity to do an amazingly difficult trick*
Jk, he has in other challenges said something could be tassed to iirc
Haven't seen the whole video yet, but its Josh isn't it, lol?
No, it was SixRock and Milanista. Very talented players.
"Just to be SAFE we can jump into the lava and DIE."
Video game challenge run logic at it's finest!
😂
I'd say the dark eco crate glitch is still in the spirit of the run, regardless of technicalities. Plus, it's just more interesting to include it than declare failure.
You were wrong, Samos! Dark eco can be controlled! We've learned it's secrets. And now we can reshape the world to our liking.
I feel it indeed proves what this challenge sets out to prove: eco is bad and unnecessary and will clearly only hurt you.
It's almost a meme at this point.
It definitely counts and its interesting. You could always just split runs in two categories then, for example no eco and true no eco or whatever better name people come up with.
Doesn't work with roleplay. Jak is scared eco will turn him orange. Daxter specifically fell into dark eco before turning orange. Jak being willing to touch the very eco he's afraid of doesn't click.
In the first minute of watching this, I was utterly convinced this was possible. Then I remembered the last thing you need to collect to complete the game is a blob of white eco. I wanted to cry.
That is if we even get there without using Eco
@@crashtefanoand to collect the white eco you'd first need to damage the robot with yellow eco as well... ugh-
@@AlexeyDatEdgyhog Yes, I kind of wish there was a way around that, just for the sake of this challenge.
Going this far just to hit such a brick wall...
Daxter takes a swim in dank eco before the game starts so unless ur just playing Jak, the challenge is already failed. 😋
@@Rashed1255 Oh well, you never play as Daxter in the first Jak game, so we can ignore that kind of scripted use of Eco
At 35:08 you picked up two green eco blobs on the slide. This is because you always get eco attracted to you from broken boxes when you are in a sliding state, and when you load the bottom of the level an enemy spawns on top of a crate and instantly breaks it. Fortunately this is avoidable by using a precise roll jump at the top to jump over the trigger for sliding state. Not sure how that affects your orb counts though...
Amazing video as always, and it was fun watching your progress!
Pretty sure he re-loaded a save from before he collected it, which removes the Eco, so it techincally doesn't count.
"The game doesn't really want us doing this" is probably the best quote used multiple times throughout this run! Fantastic job!
NG plus gradually going through my entire childhood rn. Good stuff!
Mine too 😀
Mine too 😄
Mine as well 😄
Couldnt relate more ahaha
Not mine, but I still enjoy these videos a lot 😃
Its funny that both the No Eco Challenge and the No Orbs challenge dies at the VERY END of the game
Well in the Orbs one Speedrunners figured that one out years ago.
The "giant fish" is canonically called the lurker shark!
When I saw you get halted at the end of Lava Tube, my heart sank briefly thinking you might have to do Lava Tube Skip.
I'm SO glad you didn't have to do Lava Tube Skip...
Amazingly done as always. You're a legend.
Lava Tube Skip is easier than 99% of the tricks used in this low-eco run xD
Love all the different tricks and glitches used in this challenge. You always do your research
Jak speedrunners would be proud.
Do you ever find yourself coming back to these games and find yourself having to “retrain” to the rules of a casual play through after challenges like this? Great video man!
Yes, Metal Gear Solid is the biggest one. Walking seems weird now. Thank you 😁
I always assumed that the answer would be no due to the final boss. Even if you could damage it without yellow eco, you still need to pick up the light eco to finish it. But man, I wasn't expecting so much of the game to be possible without eco. I think more collectibles were acquired in this no eco run than my own playthrough where I was under no such restriction.
It's actually white eco. I don't know why, or if it is even supposed to be a different type (although it does seem to have vastly different powers and light eco literally isn't white).
@@tommarsdon5644 I thought I misremembered or misheard so I checked again. It is, in fact, light eco both in Jak 1 and Jak 3.
@@JohnDoe-yp3zvSpeaking of light eco, Daxter said that might change him back but they use it to defeat Gol and Maia instead. Have you ever wondered why the four sages didn't combine their magic a second time to make more light eco to see if would work on Daxter? It's just something that crossed my mind.
@@slycooperrocks5826mostly because they dont actually know how to make eco do what they want specifically outside of their own eco. There is no white eco sage. And dark eco shows that it can just kill you, it can transform you, and its also hard to control by nature.
So even if they did use light eco again, theres no particular guarantee that the desired affect of back to human was gonna come from that.
Two things aside:
Jacks usage of light eco in tpl vs 3 is very different, but thats for narrative and character reasons not the eco itself.
In tpl jak is on an adventure and as far as he is aware almost every version of channeling eco can b offensive. Blue and green eco make that harder to really contxtualize esp green, but when first presented with light eco consider its component parts are easy to use offensively its likely just his natural move. And the more calm and healing aspects of light eco are very specifically taught/given to him from the precursors. And this is probably specifically cause they had been watching him and new of the dark eco warrior inside him.
The other thing thats an aside is depending how you interact with the story, you can come to identify that the precursors mightve remembered what happened with the light eco in tpl. How it was used offensively and the gang had no idea to turn dax back. So when Jak comes across the chance to use light eco again … what do they do? They teach him it has more properties than just offensive capabilities. Light Jak exists both as an answer to Dark Jak AND as a response to “could light evo change dax back?”, yes if used properly it could be used to change dax back. And we know the little furry rata could still do this but dax declined and veger got the opposite version 😂
@@slycooperrocks5826 maybe the cost of the four sages creating light eco was so great that it caused an eco shortage since eco really isnt shown in future games.
who am i kidding, it's for plot and tension.
Personally I wouldn’t count the dark eco crates as collecting eco because the spirit of the challenge is to avoid helpful collectibles and power ups, not necessarily any semantic instance of eco. Dark eco crates are an obstacle, in a normal run you’d want to avoid them anyway.
I disagree but mostly because of the humorous intro. "Eco is icky, look what it did to Daxter, so we aren't touching any of it" is the setup, so that would very clearly make Dark Eco Crates a no-go.
Still fun to see in the video, so I'm glad he included it anyway.
I already knew the run dies at the final boss. Still, great video. Love it. And for the dark eco, I would allow it. You don't collect it. It doesn't benefit you in terms of game mechanics. And a glitch isn't intended by the devs. If that is considered a grey area, then the machine Kiera uses to free the way to Klaw, should also be considered. It uses blue eco to lift the rock. But that's my opinion.
Every day I pray this series receives the Crash / Spyro treatment
I wouldn't count the dark eco crate but I do find it funny that the first instance of something funny you can do with the game involves the eco that caused Jak's phobia of all eco for this challenge in the first place
Out of all the power cells that I was sure you weren't going to get, I would have never thought in a million years someone could have gotten the one in the crate in volcanic crater, so that was cool
Oh man Jak & Daxter is amongst my favorite videogame series! I'm so happy to see this run!
If you plan on tackling Jak 2 or 3, maybe trying to beat the games without vehicles and/or guns could be interesting
That sounds wicked difficult.
I like it.
You are the devil my friend
Would the jetboard be considered a "vehicle" for the purpose of this run?
Jak 2 & 3 without guns and vehicles might be impossible. I'm not gonna say it is, because people are wild and bugs exist. But the way that game is structured is pretty different.
I'd definitely watch a video on any of the Jak & Daxter games, though.
@@MrMakoto2 I dunno if it would. The lack of hoverboard would lock you out of the moonjump glitch which would make the challenge 10 times harder if at all possible.
PS2 Ratchet & Clank trilogy done.
And I couldn't be happier to see Jak & Daxter next! I hope 2 and 3 also have videos.
And then after that, naturally Sly Cooper up to bat!
Whatever is next, keep up the great work!
Wonder what he'd do for Jak 2 and 3. Eco isn't as big a part of those games as the first one.
@@aurthurpendragon1015 Maybe Jak II without guns and Jak 3 without vehicles?
@@ColinElkin-ce1337 Jak 2 without guns...yes, because that would be xtremely hard. It's already hard enough with guns. But Jak 3 without vehicles I don't thinkw ould be too challenging, just time consuming, except for the times when you need the leaping vehicle to get into the Monk Temple.
@aurthurpendragon1015 if you play on hero mode, you get the jet board from the start and you can use the infinite jet board jump glitch to get to the monk temple. It's how it's done in speedruns
@@ColinElkin-ce1337 As far as I remember, if we're doing all missions (instead of just getting to the end of the game), and if we're not counting the turret sections, there's only one instance where using the Morph Gun is mandatory, and that's when you get the Blaster, and it teaches you how to combo with melee attacks. The rest of the missions can be done gunless, though the hardest ones are the vehicle missions that require guns, like Destroy Hellcats and Rescue Lurkers. Jak 3 gunless is currently impossible, and I'm not sure about no vehicles, I think it's impossible due to requiring it in the final boss, as well as other bottleneck missions
I love how your challenges are so unique and think outside of the box! Always a delight when I see you post!
Tis sad that the run is not possible entirely without Eco, but it is what it is. Still a great vid nonetheless and we appreciate your efforts!
Thank you, it makes the successful runs all the more satisfying
@NGPlusVideos I just found your channel I like your content can you drop more videos inalready watched your other ones
Well done! This is an extremely difficult challenge, even for speedrunners of the game. Thank you for going above and beyond!
Agreed. Low eco is a very tedious category for this game, even with Jak's very fast, Swiss-army knife movement.
You are one of the few people who doesn't have a problem with loosing your keys. If this happens you can just double jump from the wall, perform spin kick, ground pound and glitch through the invisible wall. It's that easy!
Hey! I get that reference!
Owen Wilson would be proud
I had a rough day so an hour long challenge run is just what I needed, thank you
Nice to see Jak covered! I actually considered suggesting a "no melee" run for TPL, but when I saw you were already doing a run on the game I ditched the idea. I must wonder, what could one remove from Jak II and Jak 3😂
Also, a completely random fact; For some reason we Finns love Sly Cooper, probably because 2 and 3 were dubbed unlike a lot of other PS2 platformers!
Seen a guy do both Jak 2 and 3 without guns and with one hand. Jak challenges are crazy
I was wondering where you've been, and it seems you were delving into the childhood of us ALL!
Yup, I'm always streaming these challenges on Twitch, it's just some take a bit longer than others 😅
This is actually insane, so many shortcuts i didnt know existed in this game. Well done
Would love to see a challenge on ty the tasmanian tiger (or ty 2)
Lesser known platformer that's great fun
No idea what you'd do though, no collectibles, no boomerangs, no jump, bite only, etc
I'd be interested in trying that series out one day. Only played the original and didn't get too far. I believe "Obscure Video Game Runs" did something similar to "No Collectables though. I'll look at the series again at some point 👍
I have to say, the thought of the run being exactly like this in one specific way, somehow allowing no rangs but promptly crashing and burning at the final boss where you need the Doomerang, is hilarious.
Since the point of the challenge is to not use Eco on Jak, using Eco to die and become a zombie would be invalidating the rules. That being said everything non-Eco related was still interesting to see.
Even if not doing it would end the run it is always more interesting to see the minimal amount.
The challenges are suppose to be fun and as long as you're not going "I made the rules so I say screw the rules" it ultimately works out best to use it only when needed as everyone wins.
Much better then videos which do a challenge, hit a road block, and stop ignoring the rest of the game.
Plus I'm pretty sure you can get zombie state elsewhere in this area, that's just the easiest place to demonstrate
But the dark eco just kills you so you aren't using it at all. The way i see it, dark eco is exempt from the rule since you aren't collecting it and it doesn't aid you in any way, it just kills you. That's just my opinion at least
Oh it seemed so...well, easy is certainly not the right term, but plausible, right up until the end! A shame, but regardless, another fantastic video
After 27 years, I finally learnt that HUD stands for heads up display...
I was so excited to watch this video, specifically for Gol and Maia's tower. Mad impressive, brother. Well done
I love how with so many of these challenges, Plus is constantly going, “We never used this speedrunning trick in the challenge, but it’s _really_ cool and I wanna show you how to do it.” He didn’t have to show us all these cool tricks, but he really wants us to see just how far a game can be pushed to its limits. Mad respect.
Great video, happy to see how well you were able to showcase all of the cool stuff that goes into this
Thank you, couldn't have done it without you 🙌
I love all the different tricks in this to get around obstacles, I never would have imagined this possible as a kid.
This is so cursed, I loved every second
These games were my childhood, I love seeing them taken apart. Jak 2 without guns, Jak 3 without cars, Jak X without hating life?
I absolutely love the Jak series, thanks for doing everyone a favor and making a video on this great franchise
As regards the dark eco it all comes down to the question in the end: Without eco? Nope. Without collecting eco? Yup ✨️
The Lurker Shark (giant orange fish) is what gave me straight fear of deep water, not just in games but real life. You'll never catch me swimming in deep video game waters. The growl with the heart beat picking up aggressively before swallowing you in a blink of an eye. Traumatizes a 25 year old to this day.
Wasteland Kraken says hi.
I've never been so disappointed, accepting dark eco zombie glitch as legit, enjoying every tricks to bypass levels, all this to finally be stopped on the finnish line at the boss to not being able to deal damage... he didn't even try the surprise attack by not looking at the boss 😂 what a shame
I speedran this game about 2 years ago. Seeing you go through the glitches I can see there's a lot of better / easier strats that have been found since then! Pretty cool.
Soo glad to see this come together. Y'all did an amazing job 🤩!
I was watching your FF9 challenge video and really enjoyed it, then the others, and I thought I wonder what he'd do for Jak and Daxter and here we are 😂
It's one of my fave games, and the first I've ever 100% completed too. (I know it's rather easy to do so, but I was very proud of myself then.)
jak & daxter was my favourite game series as a kid
I wish they did a remaster
I appreciate how you explain why certain things should and shouldn’t be done, because I haven’t played this personally but want to know the smaller details. Stellar video btw ❤
Before starting this video I clicked to 3 random spots. Each had something super cool and technical. This is such a cool run
I got so excited when I saw this vid in my feed. My favourite challenge youtuber playing my favourite childhood game? Hell yes!!
Yes! My dream comes true today! J&D is so high on my list of favorite games, I'm stoked you're covering it!
This run was literally impossible from the get-go, considering the fact that finishing off the final boss requires you to pick up Light Eco, anyway, so insofar as the literally-worded challenge, there was no way it was going to work. That said, you got pretty close to making that the *only* eco you'd have had to pick up.
What an amazing video. I knew about quite a few glitches from watching speedruns, but there was so much more sequence breaking possible than I thought!
I adore this game so much and it was a pleasure to see you explore its limits. Hope to see the other games in the future!
Nice, absolutely love challenge videos like these.
Btw, did you know you don't actually need to idle deload when respawning at the finial boss, if you fall down towards the entrance of the path leading to the Blue Sage and jump into the void you'll be far enough to respawn at the boss.
I was literally playing this a couple of days ago. So glad to see a new video on such a classic
Jak and Daxter will forever be my top favorite game of my childhood. Then it's Super Mario world 2 Yoshi's Island.
I watch the entire cutscene collection of the Jak and Daxter trilogy like it's a 3 hour movie. Brings me the childhood happiness that was quickly robbed from me..
Green Sage: Jak did you have a tuff time learning to work and control different to types of eco?
Jak: Seen it every where never used any of it 😂
best video i’ve ever seen. mountain pass skip is breathtaking, mind blowing stuff
Yooo the fall damage breaking metal crates trick was news to me, as was storage of fall damage when you grab a ledge. I love learning new things about something I thought I knew inside and out. Thank you for this!
I found your account very recently and i absolutely love your content!! Binged it all and replayed the spyro ones 3 times already. Keep it up ❤
Man this game was my childhood, the nostalgia I'm feeling right now makes my shoulders tingle
17:46 you can also get the power cell for the fight without doing the fight. If you wanna see a vid on how then just look up speed runs vids, only run I can think of right now that includes that cell is 100% and maybe any%
When doing the boost jump at 10:30 if you immediately spin kick after the uppercut instead of waiting until the end you get massive height and a little distance which should make that gap trivial. You do this at 14:10 to get into the sealed room
Edit: doing the spin kick immediately isn’t necessary, as you just need to do it while you’re gaining height. If done at the apex of the jump or after, you won’t get much extra height at all.
hey there, loving the video so far, sorry about not catching the streams just been caught up with revision for gcse mocks
No problem, thank you for being there when you can, appreciate it 🙌
I’m glad to see your channel growing. KEPP IT UP!!!
Your channel is so underrated I love these challenges so much! I hope you do a challenge run on the game Toy Story 2 someday!
Thank you, I was looking at Toy Story 2, but I have never played it before. I will need to research it :)
Ooooh. This is the very first challenge I ever attempted in a video game. Ecoless Run J&D is actually very difficult but interesting.
Incredible video, the amount of effort and time behind it must be insane, you deserve a lot more views!
What an amazing video! So happy this popped up in the feed
Pre-watch comment: SO excited to watch this, playing this game with my friend was one of the *highlights* of my childhood, we spent so much time goofing around, making up dumb stories about the characters while my friend ran around. Didnt even care that we usually died about a dozen times before accomplishing something, we were having so much fun
This brought back so many good memories, thank you❤
Now that I think of it, i don't think I even know what happens after the jungle area! 😅
Looking forward to this one
I like how you climb the outside of the wall to get into the arena on Misty Island instead of just going down from the cannon :D
Wow, a blast from the past.
Still got my old PS2 copy, thinking I should try this challenge someday.
Wow, all these years I never knew the metal crates would break if you fell on them from high enough.
It amuses me that the "in character" reason for avoiding eco is that it's mysterious and dangerous, and then you go and intentionally fall into bottomless pits or die in other means to force the world to place you somewhere else.
Would love more Jak and Daxter or legacy of kain games. Killing it with the uploads man hope you have as much fun making it as I do watching it.
Jak & Daxter: Rock Climbing Simulator
The fact you DON'T die by dark eco is because power cells energise Jak to reject all eco 😉. Precusor tech was shown to kick dark eco butt in the intro sequence.
YEEEEEESSSS god I love this channel and now you’re doing my favorite game of all time :)
All the tricks and techniques are incredible. Would love to see a 'no steps' video for MGS3. Solid Snake had to learn how to do it from somewhere right XD
Thank you. You guessed my intro! Yeah, I have to wait til Autumn for the game to be available again 😅
@@NGPlusVideos Can't wait! Should be a great one!
Clicking the links at the end was how I got to the Rayman challenges from the Spyro challenges.
Now i want to see outrageous Josh getting a wr even in this new category
What a masterpiece of a run! My hat is off to you!
Been waiting for this one
love the vids bro! can't wait for Jak 3, final fantasy 7, and the kingdom hearts franchise!! So excited when I see your videos
I feel astonished how the sages were freed without eco, my inner child rages not knowing that little cutscene checkpoint skip trick. It was the longest I took in the game, longer than defeating the Big Boss like what💀
Great video! I think the dark eco thing is ok to progress the run, maybe one day a new way to do the boss with will be found as well
This run "Ah yes, the Everything is made of floor."
Admire how much time, work and dedication this entire video must have took.
Amazing stuff! I always played around with ideas like this as a kid, but of course we didn't have idle deloads and the like back then ;p
37:01 The bottom of the slide, there's a way to not trigger the big button. If you roll jump onto it, and time a light jump on the button. You can skip the dark eco cut scene and skip over the area. This memory is from me as a kid doing it, but I'm damn near certain you can quickly hop over the button. Idk about the save-lock though
Ah yes my favourite challenge channel and my favourite childhood game, for an hour long no less, delightful!
Okay, haven't started yet. I'm gonna guess there is 1 or 2 moments aside from the final fight that requires eco. Maybe, I know from speedrunning documentaries there are some WILD sequence breaks. Guess I'll find out in an hour.
The fall damage glitch reminded me of how Crash breaks boxes.
What a funny coincidence.
Love your channel. I probably tell you that every video. But I just appreciate the hard work you put into these games. Your videos are just fascinating to me. Thank you.
Thanks a lot, makes it all worth it 😁
My gosh, you reply fast. Thanks.
hey man! just wanted to say i love your content and keep up the awesome vids! been subbed for a while now and i always click your vids right away!
Yknow, I just came up with an interesting idea. What if, you played through Jak 2, but you can't collect metal head crystals? Certain parts might be exceptionally difficult, but plenty of levels, you could potentially just run past them all.
Important note: Citadel Skip isn't possible on any of the following versions:
PS2 NTSC-U Red Label
PS2 NTSC-J
PS3
PS Vita
PS4/5 if purchased with a US or JP account
Isn't that basically every version?
@@Dr.Indalecio No, because the glitch still works on PS2 NTSC-U Black Label, PS2 PAL and PS4/5 PAL.
I guess that would explain why I could never get it to work I guess
Awesome video mate