Atm i'm using a pop2 but I have my problems with tracing and there is no "undo" option in revoscan 5. I'm considering buying a new scanner, but i still don't know if einstar, otter or raptor..... The software should also be considered in my decision. I use my scanner for car parts like brake caliper, wheel carrier, suspension,..., in the future also complete engine bays. Which one would you recommend?
thanks for testing a scan inside the engine bay, this would be one of the most important feature of a 3d scanner in an automotive application personally
Thanks for the review, there is so little out there about the Raptor right now. 14:21 Your comparison shows that the laser scanner is a different animal 😂 in this regard BUT I feel that the NIR part falls behind. The Raptor is not to be considered an upgrade to the Otter but a totally different unit with its own strengths and weaknesses.
no comparison between industrial and consumer level scanners. always EinScan, I am not a fanboy, I just tried both, EinScan has a more all round package, creality will not support their products beyond one year, the software is way below par.
@@SaifBinAdhed Well but it looks like the Otter at least comes with way better overall features then an EinScan. And that's where everyone can decide based on own perferences. Hence why it would worth showing a comparsion. Especially when Creality makes something that is technically almost on professional level.
@@MrGTAmodsgerman I tried both, I stated my opinion, I wish that people realize that creality is a company that lives on trends, once that trend dies, so does the product. why should I invest in a product that the company will not support long term. I'd like to see one product from creality from five years ago that still has support today
@@MrGTAmodsgerman EinScan 3D scanners are designed for users to enhance working efficiency, otter scanning can scan good features, but if you would like to get a professional experience, EinScan is better.
Top quality review as always, the laser scanning is unbelievable for the price point we are lucky to have so many consumer 3d scanning developments in the last few years.
You should do a re-visit of both the otter and raptor, now they've had some decent software upgrades. I love the way you can use tracking makers to merge multiple parts together now. I'm keen to see how you intergrade 3d scanning in your workflow.
I seldom praise products on social media. But, the raptor is truly outstanding. It has readily beaten Einstar handheld hands down. The blue light makes a whole lot of difference for detailed scanning. Without a doubt, this means the raptor commands a slight premium versus the older einstar handheld. Great product from Creality. Seeing is really believing. Great review. It took me quite a few watch to be convinced to buy this. Still, I feel Einstar still has a place for large area scanning, except its not meant for detailed scans.
I got one. Have been using the Creality Lizard and the Artec Leo. But I was really stunned! The ease of use and the software is almost turn key results. Where scanners have troubles on thin sheet metal corners (scanning from outside to inside) the Raptor had no problems, the use of markers is the key. I'm impressed.
Thanks for the video. With so many saying the einstar is better for pricepoint i think i will wait for this raptor to go on sale before i purchase. But i am familiar with blue light scanning in industry and know that it is an advantage over other consumer products. We use blue light scans to guide our robots to build cars. If a sale goes for this product id love to get one.
If the blue light isn’t needed for the application then I’d agree with many commenters the Einstar is better, the NIR isn’t as good. But, the blue light gives this a weapon the Einstar can’t match!
@MakingforMotorsport agreed. Somethings you need the finer details on. And with the ability to do both in one package, that really is a game changer for the consumer market for this type of product.
I wonder if Einstar will come out with a competitor for this accuracy-wise. It seems like the battle for best bang for your buck is heating up, and that’s good for all of us!
Raptor for small to medium and Otter/Einstar for big stuff. I use the Einstar software to post process the Raptor scans. To be fair with the creality alignment/merging tool, cloud compare isn’t better in automatically align the scans. Creality software is deleting original scans after merging and you can’t use orthogonal view for deleting unwanted point cloud data. Opening a previews scan can take 10min. AMD 5900x, SSD or RAM disk, 64gb RAM. Additional you get a RAM warning when scanning wich pauses the scan, even when I have still 40gb RAM left.
@@MakingforMotorsport yeah works great. You can import the cloud point data. Revoscan 5 works too. Only issue is you can’t merge cloud points with Exstar software.
I'm deciding between the einstar and raptor, also considering waiting a bit to see einstar's response. I haven't used either, but I have a lot of time on a creaform handyscan black. Can you output or input a STL file with either creality or einstar software? Creaform has it's own file type and you can pay extra to import directly to Solidworks(probably others too). From there I'd save everything as an STL so I had a 'universal' file for future use. I'm definitely more interested in whichever software can bring in one of those STLs so I can add to it. Do either softwares allow you to make a duplicate of a scan while editing so you can retain your original(since Creality's software deletes it)? How is the feature generation? Does it do ok at creating planes from surfaces? Can it create a circle on a plane from picking up a cylindrical hole? How about orienting a part in space?
@@TheBiscuitsandGravy Exstar scanning software has tools to create planes, lines and points and can do a alignment to xyz coordinate system but it’s NOT a reverse engineering Programm. These programs cost couple thousands of dollars unfortunately. But it can load a point cloud generated by Creality scan software. There is no merging/alignment for multiple cloud points I’m aware of. The Einstar can’t scan small parts like a game controller very well and has problems pick up black parts and the accuracy isn’t as good. The Raptor software has to improved. The scanner can scan very small parts and has little problems with black or metal parts but it needs markers for scanning in laser mode. It’s not as good with big objects as the Einstar.
The same with me. I also have 64GB and it stops the process after some amount of data. But the laser scan is amazing... I am trying to get used to CloudCompare to post process the point cloud... Powerful and open source...
Nice review! I got the Scan Lizard via the Kickstarter and have honestly been pretty impressed with the performance (provided the object being scanned is properly prepped, i.e., non-reflective and not hairy, haha...). I mostly work with small objects (action figure stuff and similarly sized items). It works decently especially with the newer software. The software is still buggy, and getting multiple scans to merge properly is a challenge...but I'm usually able to get everything I need in just one scan, fortunately.
maybe I missed it, maybe they aren't mentioned.... but is there a link for those 3d printed marker towers by chance? given they have more surfaces at more angles, they look like they will work a little better than the other models I have seen online.
What are those little trackers you have on your turntable at 5:12? I could really use something like that for a current project I'm working on. If there is a model I could get from grabCAD that would be amazing. Thanks for the review! Very insightful.
Hey mate, could you make a review of the cr-scan Ferret is currently going for 200 pounds and its supossed to replace the lizzard, i think it would be a really interesting review
after watching your video I bought one , there are nice promotions on the site , even a combo with a resin printer. Frankly I have a creality lizard that was great but quite limited but given the competition. I bought a tidy2 revopoint last week and I did not like it at all, not disappointed but does not match to make the small to the large. And frankly, compared to créality, revopoint products are very, very expensive.
Just bought. Used your 10% code, and am replacing my Einstar. Struggled with picking up fine details like holes. Am hoping the blue laser will fix that making finding the holes in CAD much more accurate.
Got the Raptor, did a test scanning the same engine part and comparing it to scans by the Einstar-night and day difference. Not a little difference-Einstar’s holes were closed and were just an approximation whereas Raptor recreated the holes perfectly. This will save me so much time in CAD. Amazing scanner and it dethroned the former king 👑 of hobbyist scanners.
Thanks for the review, first decent one on the raptor ive seen! In you experience with all the scanners you've used what would you recommend for full car scans (body, wheel arches, underbody) im mainly looking between the einstar, raptor or otter
Raptor isn’t made for full car body scans. I would chose the Einstar or Otter if you do it regularly. The Otter has the advantage to scan black and metal parts without scanning spray. The Einstar has the better software but needs a powerful PC.
Great video. Very interested in doing this but tried using Fusion but found it really confusing. I’m in the South West are there any places near here to help convert to stl or obj. ??
Love these reviews. Still on the fence - i used a Kinect for scanning a car 9 years ago and have yet to use another scanner. Are you really goingh to give a shout out for guessing the bike carbs on the mini, presumably heading towards ITBs?
Great video. One question I do have though. I’m looking to make custom cosmetic parts, splitters, bumpers, wing perhaps, etc. The accuracy of the lasers is appealing but is this mode able to do large items, such as a bumper, well enough to reverse engineer? would this be possible to achieve with the smaller sticky markers like the professional laser scanners use? Thanks!
Certainly doable, it would just take a while to stick them on and take them off again…. I absolutely hate the process so I use the 3D printed magnetic ones
@@MakingforMotorsport I’d only get it done professionally as I have done in the past, which results in same stickers. If you think the blue laser can do a full bumper to a good accurate standard then it’s tedium I’m willing to accept ha!
Which would you choose being the best for engine bay/suspension/general car part scanning usage, Otter/Raptor/Einstar? Here in Australia, the Otter is about the same price as the Einstar, about 1400$AU.
@@riverracer Einstar or Otter. Einstar has the better software but it’s only good for bigger scans. Otter can scan black or shiny parts better. It also can scan small to big parts.
I still think an external battery solution would be helpful for the Otter and Raptor - in fact, such an accessory would likely support most portable 3D scanners in their class. Since you are doing an electronics project for motorsport, I assume this is a temperature or fuel management controller? Using a Mini for rally is common, but not so much with the BMW. This means it would require a separate interface to monitor fuel pressure and engine temperature, when under high torque at speed.
hey exstar has a feature under "measurements" that allows you to align your scan to xyz right in the software. i think you had left this out of your einstar videos. does the creality software have this function?
Yea, ok you conviced me, enjoy your affiliate contribution. Been waiting for a month for this and missed a local sale on it. But it will be on sale again. at 1300 Eur its worth it over the Einscan.
I have the Ferret Pro...and im not happy. Im trying to scan a plastic jetski model (10inches by 2.5inch) and the end result is horrible, the surface is all rough and blotchy and i would need to spend hours cleaning and smoothing it out. Would this Raptor with the blue laser be a better fit for this?
Okay... (excluding price point) between the Einstar, Raptor and Otter - which scanner is your preference for ease of use, versatility, fidelity, and best software. Let's assume we are doing some reverse engineering and motorhead work. Is the Einstar still king? Thanks for the videos ;-)
Great video, still not convinced to get one due to price but watching closely. I think you are working on a controller for a water/alcohol injection system into intake - that what I want too!
On the verge of buying one......... I need to do some scanning outdoors with no mains power available - what is the voltage supplied from the mains adapter? Can I use a battery 'tank' to replace this? 5V? 12V?
Not sure about discounts but the Creality price seems to be going up very significantly every day this week! Add to this the fact that Creality do not seem to communicate in English, I think I will be looking elsewhere. Pity, it looks like a good bit of kit.
Just got mine and software keeps crashing when I try to scan a front end of a vehicle to design a bumper. I used infrared mode with marker tracking and during the scanning process the software freezes and doesnt save any data. I've tried scanning smaller and smaller sections of the front end while trying many different settings (geometry and marker tracking) but still no luck. Very frustrating and I'm thinking about returning it.
Thanks for another great review, only thing holding me back from getting a scanner is the computer hardware requirements, what's most important Ram? Cpu? Cheers mate
Hi, I am producing a scale models for railway sceneries and I can create models in Inventor, but I would like to expand to figurines and speed up creation of small objects like tools and train parts. Would this device be the good choice for scanning people and tools or even the whole vehicles? Thanks
I have a macbook pro max M3 (use it mostly for photo/video editing, cad and 3D sculpting), I know that SHINING 3D doesn't want to implement an IOS version for the Einstar, would you say that the Raptor or the Otter or any other scanner working with ios you could recommend for small to medium objects to scan? Right now I'm doing photogrammetry with meshroom to convert into a 3D print.
I have heard of a Mac Beta SW but haven't seen it. I run on a M1 Max Mac Studio, and want to step up from the CR S. Lizard. Bit price jump but Laser is definitely an upgrade and I am already stuck fighting Crealitys SW so maybe its worth the jump for some value add without having to buy a Nvidia workstation.
I csnnot seem to get the discount code to work, fyi. Please let me know weekend or if you can get this fixed and i will use your affiliate link if i haven't ordered elsewhere by that time.
I'll eventually buy a scanner but this doesn't seem like the right time yet. I'll wait until the "Bambu" scanner comes out, a scanner like the quality of a Bambu printer.
Thanks for these reviews! They are really informative. The one question I have, though, is: of all the 3D scanners you've tried, which one is the overall best?
For ease of use and simplicity, the Einstar is my favorite, but try to scan something small and you’ll want to smash it into bits. The otter is a close 2nd as it just does everything….
This is the first of your videos which I've seen, but have you ever tried using "dulling spray" (from film/video production) on the shiny surfaces prior to scanning?
Hi, I have some questions, I have to buy a new scanner (before I had the cr scan 01 that I sold) I usually scan engine parts (usually 2 stroke engine) and motorcycle fairing But in the near future I have to scan an engine bay and an engine to design the intake for a prototype I’m stuck between otter and raptor cause for some work one is better than the other and vice versa but actually I can buy only one What do you advice? My biggest concern is the space in the engine bay with fitted engine, I think it’s small for the raptor to do a good job, but with the laser I can have better resolution in other models (and no problem with dark or reflective parts) I have to say that most of the time fairings and other things are black or dark (cf or something like that)
If I could only have one scanner it would be the Otter. The laser in the Raptor is a good trick, but ultimately one that’s not too useful for automotive, unless for example you want to do an engine/gearbox adaptor scan…
@@MakingforMotorsport so, do you think otter good enough to find head plane and screw position to create an intake manifold for a 4stroke engine? ( like you do in the video with your mini?) Is it also good enough for motorcycle fairings? (My latest work was about replicate some parts on an old aprilia gp after a crash (smallest parts is about 20x20cm) Latest question I have to buy also a new computer cause actually my main is a little bit old and with shit (in 2024) components I’m stuck between a dell workstation with 13850hx and Rtx 4000ada or save some money and a hp workstation with 13900h (or 13700hx) with rtx 2000 I usually use solidworks and fusion 360, actually I’m trying to learn blender and in my new work I start using Siemens nx I don’t know if it is worth spending 1000+€ and buy the better one or save some money (actually I have an old 6800k and a 1060 and they do their job with a lot of patient and frustration) Thanks a lot for you availability
I think it would have been more impressive on the beamer to have spread the markers out and scanned a larger area of the car that would be useful to have 3d model of like large single parts i.e. a quarter panel, a door panel, a plastic trim piece that's easily broken and replaced by a 3d print. You kinda got the bumper of the mini. That being said how memory intense is the software? What's the average size file of a small model compared to a large one? How much RAM is being used during scanning/rendering? I noticed you said it performed better connected to your laptop. Did you mention a price? I'm not intending to be super critical of the video. I'm genuinely curious and all but the last one aren't the kinds of questions are usually answered by ad. Thanks for the vid. I pushed the buttons. Keep up the good work.
Are you putting motorcycle carbs on the mini? I mean I would assume you were scanning them and the space to fit ITBs and EFI but if you're just going to replace the carbs with ITBs, why would you scan the carbs?
The clever girl seems like a clever choice minus the software. My guess if you are going to try and put a set of bike carbs and ITBs on the back on the mini motor?
By the showed your review this scanner should be use only in laser mode and for this you have to use markers. If someone buy and use only in Nir mode them is better to buy an otter scanner because Nir mode is better than raptor. Minute 14:21
Hi. I’ve just bought an Otter, running on a i9-10885H 2.4GHz. Quadro RTX3000, 32GB ram. Tried a few scans starting with the owl and each time the software locks up with message “the software is not responding, please restart the software and try import again”. Any help you give would be appreciated. BR Colin
All scanners output STL files which all slicer software can handle and print fro, however there will be some amount of clean up required to go from scan to print, it’s not hard and free software like MeshMixer can be used but it’s still going to be a step in the workflow…
This is awesome. Definitely seems like it's accurate enough for automotive use. I just wish Creality would lean towards fewer higher quality updates instead of more smaller ones. Any idea if they're ever going to have a wireless one?
I'm confused. What's the difference between the otter and the raptor. Scan quality wise not feature wise. I'm ready to buy but the price of the raptor is quite steep. I've seen the otter in many cases to do better. It would save a lot of money to buy the otter but as they say buy cheap buy twice.
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Atm i'm using a pop2 but I have my problems with tracing and there is no "undo" option in revoscan 5.
I'm considering buying a new scanner, but i still don't know if einstar, otter or raptor.....
The software should also be considered in my decision.
I use my scanner for car parts like brake caliper, wheel carrier, suspension,..., in the future also complete engine bays.
Which one would you recommend?
Will you review the revopoint metrox soon?
can you do a review on the New Creality RaptorX laser 34lines cross 7 line parallel + NIR
thanks for testing a scan inside the engine bay, this would be one of the most important feature of a 3d scanner in an automotive application personally
You’re welcome, the issue with the engine bay scans is they are tricky and rarely look good compared to a subject on a turntable… glad you enjoyed it!
I tested connecting the scanner to a power bank and it was very successful.
Thanks for the review, there is so little out there about the Raptor right now. 14:21 Your comparison shows that the laser scanner is a different animal 😂 in this regard BUT I feel that the NIR part falls behind. The Raptor is not to be considered an upgrade to the Otter but a totally different unit with its own strengths and weaknesses.
You’re bang on the money… the NIR is behind the Otter and Einstar. And they are different tools for different applications…
The next video is SURELY an Einstar and Raptor shoot out.
Now time for a comparsion for all of the latest top models, EinScan vs Raptor vs Otter
hell yeah
no comparison between industrial and consumer level scanners. always EinScan, I am not a fanboy, I just tried both, EinScan has a more all round package, creality will not support their products beyond one year, the software is way below par.
@@SaifBinAdhed Well but it looks like the Otter at least comes with way better overall features then an EinScan. And that's where everyone can decide based on own perferences. Hence why it would worth showing a comparsion. Especially when Creality makes something that is technically almost on professional level.
@@MrGTAmodsgerman I tried both, I stated my opinion, I wish that people realize that creality is a company that lives on trends, once that trend dies, so does the product. why should I invest in a product that the company will not support long term. I'd like to see one product from creality from five years ago that still has support today
@@MrGTAmodsgerman EinScan 3D scanners are designed for users to enhance working efficiency, otter scanning can scan good features, but if you would like to get a professional experience, EinScan is better.
I have scanned that exact arduino to make exact fitting case fittings, for the custom dashboard and such. Right on, brotherrrr!!
Liked for being made aware of the word 'greebling'.
I must pass the credit onto AvE…
Top quality review as always, the laser scanning is unbelievable for the price point we are lucky to have so many consumer 3d scanning developments in the last few years.
You should do a re-visit of both the otter and raptor, now they've had some decent software upgrades.
I love the way you can use tracking makers to merge multiple parts together now.
I'm keen to see how you intergrade 3d scanning in your workflow.
FINALLY a review of this scanner that's been out for a year, but somehow only had paid demos and spokespeople talking about out.
I seldom praise products on social media. But, the raptor is truly outstanding. It has readily beaten Einstar handheld hands down. The blue light makes a whole lot of difference for detailed scanning. Without a doubt, this means the raptor commands a slight premium versus the older einstar handheld. Great product from Creality. Seeing is really believing. Great review. It took me quite a few watch to be convinced to buy this. Still, I feel Einstar still has a place for large area scanning, except its not meant for detailed scans.
I got one. Have been using the Creality Lizard and the Artec Leo. But I was really stunned! The ease of use and the software is almost turn key results.
Where scanners have troubles on thin sheet metal corners (scanning from outside to inside) the Raptor had no problems, the use of markers is the key. I'm impressed.
Thanks for the video. With so many saying the einstar is better for pricepoint i think i will wait for this raptor to go on sale before i purchase. But i am familiar with blue light scanning in industry and know that it is an advantage over other consumer products. We use blue light scans to guide our robots to build cars. If a sale goes for this product id love to get one.
If the blue light isn’t needed for the application then I’d agree with many commenters the Einstar is better, the NIR isn’t as good. But, the blue light gives this a weapon the Einstar can’t match!
@MakingforMotorsport agreed. Somethings you need the finer details on. And with the ability to do both in one package, that really is a game changer for the consumer market for this type of product.
@@MakingforMotorsport in terms of scan quality. Which do you recommend. I'm torn between the raptor and einstar
@@shustillerajcoomar4033Which did you choose?
I wonder if Einstar will come out with a competitor for this accuracy-wise. It seems like the battle for best bang for your buck is heating up, and that’s good for all of us!
Raptor for small to medium and Otter/Einstar for big stuff. I use the Einstar software to post process the Raptor scans.
To be fair with the creality alignment/merging tool, cloud compare isn’t better in automatically align the scans.
Creality software is deleting original scans after merging and you can’t use orthogonal view for deleting unwanted point cloud data.
Opening a previews scan can take 10min. AMD 5900x, SSD or RAM disk, 64gb RAM. Additional you get a RAM warning when scanning wich pauses the scan, even when I have still 40gb RAM left.
Haven’t tried using ExStar to process the Creality scans… 🤔
@@MakingforMotorsport yeah works great. You can import the cloud point data. Revoscan 5 works too. Only issue is you can’t merge cloud points with Exstar software.
I'm deciding between the einstar and raptor, also considering waiting a bit to see einstar's response. I haven't used either, but I have a lot of time on a creaform handyscan black.
Can you output or input a STL file with either creality or einstar software? Creaform has it's own file type and you can pay extra to import directly to Solidworks(probably others too). From there I'd save everything as an STL so I had a 'universal' file for future use. I'm definitely more interested in whichever software can bring in one of those STLs so I can add to it.
Do either softwares allow you to make a duplicate of a scan while editing so you can retain your original(since Creality's software deletes it)?
How is the feature generation? Does it do ok at creating planes from surfaces? Can it create a circle on a plane from picking up a cylindrical hole? How about orienting a part in space?
@@TheBiscuitsandGravy Exstar scanning software has tools to create planes, lines and points and can do a alignment to xyz coordinate system but it’s NOT a reverse engineering Programm. These programs cost couple thousands of dollars unfortunately. But it can load a point cloud generated by Creality scan software. There is no merging/alignment for multiple cloud points I’m aware of.
The Einstar can’t scan small parts like a game controller very well and has problems pick up black parts and the accuracy isn’t as good. The Raptor software has to improved. The scanner can scan very small parts and has little problems with black or metal parts but it needs markers for scanning in laser mode. It’s not as good with big objects as the Einstar.
The same with me. I also have 64GB and it stops the process after some amount of data. But the laser scan is amazing... I am trying to get used to CloudCompare to post process the point cloud... Powerful and open source...
Nice review! I got the Scan Lizard via the Kickstarter and have honestly been pretty impressed with the performance (provided the object being scanned is properly prepped, i.e., non-reflective and not hairy, haha...). I mostly work with small objects (action figure stuff and similarly sized items). It works decently especially with the newer software. The software is still buggy, and getting multiple scans to merge properly is a challenge...but I'm usually able to get everything I need in just one scan, fortunately.
maybe I missed it, maybe they aren't mentioned.... but is there a link for those 3d printed marker towers by chance?
given they have more surfaces at more angles, they look like they will work a little better than the other models I have seen online.
It’s amazing :) using it for 2 weeks. My new favourite tool
Great to hear!
Could you use NIR to capture the large portion of a vehicle and then the blue light to capture the fine details like mounting holes, etc?
Absolutely!
This is a fantastic video. Especially the "greebling"
What are those little trackers you have on your turntable at 5:12? I could really use something like that for a current project I'm working on. If there is a model I could get from grabCAD that would be amazing. Thanks for the review! Very insightful.
Hey mate, could you make a review of the cr-scan Ferret is currently going for 200 pounds and its supossed to replace the lizzard, i think it would be a really interesting review
How does the Raptor compare to the Einstar?
ive got both had the raptor 1 hour so far - in a word BETTER
considerably lighter / no tracking PLONK noise to make you insane / blue laser is sweet!
So... Raptor or Einstar for car parts / car bodies?
Einstar.
Einstars software is on another level to creality
I need to scan a boat and based on watching these videos I'm going for the Einstar over the Raptor, and saving a few hundred quid at the same time.
@@1977meteor Solid choice, you'll want a lot of markers, but the software is the best of the lot.
@@johnrobie9694 Einstar or Otter. Raptor isn’t for scanning bigger parts. FOV is narrow in laser or NIR mode.
Thank for the test. I'd like to see you actually using the scanned information in actual project.
after watching your video I bought one , there are nice promotions on the site , even a combo with a resin printer.
Frankly I have a creality lizard that was great but quite limited but given the competition.
I bought a tidy2 revopoint last week and I did not like it at all, not disappointed but does not match to make the small to the large. And frankly, compared to créality, revopoint products are very, very expensive.
Just bought. Used your 10% code, and am replacing my Einstar. Struggled with picking up fine details like holes. Am hoping the blue laser will fix that making finding the holes in CAD much more accurate.
Cheers buddy… the Raptor will do you I’m sure!
Got the Raptor, did a test scanning the same engine part and comparing it to scans by the Einstar-night and day difference. Not a little difference-Einstar’s holes were closed and were just an approximation whereas Raptor recreated the holes perfectly. This will save me so much time in CAD. Amazing scanner and it dethroned the former king 👑 of hobbyist scanners.
Great video. Where you get the little black markers?
You are taking the scans of the Mini TB's and engine area because going to 3d print an air cleaner housing.
Next vid, designing a intake manifold for the mini , if not, it should !!
I know next to nothing about this so here is a silly question - if blue light scanning is so good why (or when) would you use NIR scanning on a part?
Please review the Revopoint Range 2! I heard it's a big upgrade over the first generation.
next video suggestion: show us how to scan a complete cast aluminium engine or a shiny crankshaft...please
Thanks for the review, first decent one on the raptor ive seen! In you experience with all the scanners you've used what would you recommend for full car scans (body, wheel arches, underbody) im mainly looking between the einstar, raptor or otter
Raptor isn’t made for full car body scans. I would chose the Einstar or Otter if you do it regularly. The Otter has the advantage to scan black and metal parts without scanning spray. The Einstar has the better software but needs a powerful PC.
Could you please share a link where you got this half cut tracker balls that you put around the objects to support better tracking? Thanks
Great video.
Very interested in doing this but tried using Fusion but found it really confusing. I’m in the South West are there any places near here to help convert to stl or obj. ??
Love these reviews. Still on the fence - i used a Kinect for scanning a car 9 years ago and have yet to use another scanner. Are you really goingh to give a shout out for guessing the bike carbs on the mini, presumably heading towards ITBs?
I think you are going to fit the bike carbs on the mini so maybe you'll make a inlet manifold
Great video. One question I do have though. I’m looking to make custom cosmetic parts, splitters, bumpers, wing perhaps, etc. The accuracy of the lasers is appealing but is this mode able to do large items, such as a bumper, well enough to reverse engineer? would this be possible to achieve with the smaller sticky markers like the professional laser scanners use?
Thanks!
Certainly doable, it would just take a while to stick them on and take them off again…. I absolutely hate the process so I use the 3D printed magnetic ones
@@MakingforMotorsport I’d only get it done professionally as I have done in the past, which results in same stickers. If you think the blue laser can do a full bumper to a good accurate standard then it’s tedium I’m willing to accept ha!
I'm super happy with my einstar. Thanks for the review
I want to make winglets to attach to my gsxr750 front fairings. Would a bambu x1c be able to do that?
Which would you choose being the best for engine bay/suspension/general car part scanning usage, Otter/Raptor/Einstar?
Here in Australia, the Otter is about the same price as the Einstar, about 1400$AU.
Einstar, I get 0.3mm VOLUMETRIC accuracy on parts over 1m long, not very good for small parts, amazing for panels.
@@riverracer Einstar or Otter. Einstar has the better software but it’s only good for bigger scans. Otter can scan black or shiny parts better. It also can scan small to big parts.
I still think an external battery solution would be helpful for the Otter and Raptor - in fact, such an accessory would likely support most portable 3D scanners in their class.
Since you are doing an electronics project for motorsport, I assume this is a temperature or fuel management controller? Using a Mini for rally is common, but not so much with the BMW. This means it would require a separate interface to monitor fuel pressure and engine temperature, when under high torque at speed.
hey exstar has a feature under "measurements" that allows you to align your scan to xyz right in the software. i think you had left this out of your einstar videos. does the creality software have this function?
Yea, ok you conviced me, enjoy your affiliate contribution. Been waiting for a month for this and missed a local sale on it. But it will be on sale again. at 1300 Eur its worth it over the Einscan.
I have the Ferret Pro...and im not happy.
Im trying to scan a plastic jetski model (10inches by 2.5inch) and the end result is horrible, the surface is all rough and blotchy and i would need to spend hours cleaning and smoothing it out.
Would this Raptor with the blue laser be a better fit for this?
1:23 - "We're being hunted..." (best Muldoon voice)
I couldn’t resist!
@@MakingforMotorsport LOL
Okay... (excluding price point) between the Einstar, Raptor and Otter - which scanner is your preference for ease of use, versatility, fidelity, and best software. Let's assume we are doing some reverse engineering and motorhead work. Is the Einstar still king? Thanks for the videos ;-)
Great video, still not convinced to get one due to price but watching closely. I think you are working on a controller for a water/alcohol injection system into intake - that what I want too!
Would the otter have any trouble scanning a semi truck you think?
On the verge of buying one......... I need to do some scanning outdoors with no mains power available - what is the voltage supplied from the mains adapter? Can I use a battery 'tank' to replace this? 5V? 12V?
Not sure about discounts but the Creality price seems to be going up very significantly every day this week! Add to this the fact that Creality do not seem to communicate in English, I think I will be looking elsewhere. Pity, it looks like a good bit of kit.
do you know if it works for the silver texture. I would like to scan silver figures... they are naturally shiny.
Just got mine and software keeps crashing when I try to scan a front end of a vehicle to design a bumper. I used infrared mode with marker tracking and during the scanning process the software freezes and doesnt save any data. I've tried scanning smaller and smaller sections of the front end while trying many different settings (geometry and marker tracking) but still no luck. Very frustrating and I'm thinking about returning it.
how is the Reverse Engineering (piccloud to cad ) program implementation on th raptor? AND how well would you say it works on scan sizes of +1sqm?
A 3d scanner is on my wish list. But the quality still seems to be improving rapidly.
Compared the first one I got 2.5 years ago the accuracy has improved slightly but they are much easier to use…
@@MakingforMotorsport suspect I would need to factor in the price of a new pc.
If you like this, you will love the new MetroX from Revopoint. Just be prepared, that the SW is not yet fully finished and is very CPU demanding.
Hi! What computer are you running testing the raptor? I saw you got a fair amount of fps. cpu, gpu, and ram? regards from Norway!
Thanks for another great review, only thing holding me back from getting a scanner is the computer hardware requirements, what's most important Ram? Cpu?
Cheers mate
Can it scan through glass? I need to scan a dash and I don’t think I’ll be able to reach everything I need to scan without removing the windshield.
15:04 😢 How much longer?
How does it compare with the Einstar? Thanks
i usually scan with scanners but you do you.
Tried it out, its being returned.
Hi, I am producing a scale models for railway sceneries and I can create models in Inventor, but I would like to expand to figurines and speed up creation of small objects like tools and train parts. Would this device be the good choice for scanning people and tools or even the whole vehicles? Thanks
So does the raptor have less stringent requirements for PC hardware than the Eninstar prosumer?
I have a macbook pro max M3 (use it mostly for photo/video editing, cad and 3D sculpting), I know that SHINING 3D doesn't want to implement an IOS version for the Einstar, would you say that the Raptor or the Otter or any other scanner working with ios you could recommend for small to medium objects to scan? Right now I'm doing photogrammetry with meshroom to convert into a 3D print.
I have heard of a Mac Beta SW but haven't seen it. I run on a M1 Max Mac Studio, and want to step up from the CR S. Lizard. Bit price jump but Laser is definitely an upgrade and I am already stuck fighting Crealitys SW so maybe its worth the jump for some value add without having to buy a Nvidia workstation.
@@dominickd9291 thanks for the info!
Can you do a video about 3D scanner Revopoint Miraco?
Why doesn't it recognise markers and replace them with the flat surface underneath?
Hello
what is the configuration and brand of your laptop?
thanks in advance
Hello, Can scan large parts like a front bumper of a vehicle?
Revopoint miraco pro needs to be your next video please please please and how you think about not having to have a computer to drag around everywhere
I csnnot seem to get the discount code to work, fyi. Please let me know weekend or if you can get this fixed and i will use your affiliate link if i haven't ordered elsewhere by that time.
I'll eventually buy a scanner but this doesn't seem like the right time yet. I'll wait until the "Bambu" scanner comes out, a scanner like the quality of a Bambu printer.
You making a custom intake, hoping with direct injection.
Great vids mate, Have you had a chance to try out a Revopoint Miraco yet?
Is the Einstar still your favorite go to scanner?
Do you have any 3D scan to 3D print vids with keeping dimensions and tolerances in tact?
Thanks for these reviews! They are really informative. The one question I have, though, is: of all the 3D scanners you've tried, which one is the overall best?
For ease of use and simplicity, the Einstar is my favorite, but try to scan something small and you’ll want to smash it into bits.
The otter is a close 2nd as it just does everything….
@@MakingforMotorsport so the Raptor is worse than Einstar and Otter?
This is the first of your videos which I've seen, but have you ever tried using "dulling spray" (from film/video production) on the shiny surfaces prior to scanning?
what scanner would you prefer if you were planning to scan an entire car (top and bottom) for CFD work?
Next project could be EFI conversion?
Hi mate just wondering do you recommend using pc or Mac for design would you say pc more compatible with all the different software and for storage
Hi, I have some questions,
I have to buy a new scanner (before I had the cr scan 01 that I sold)
I usually scan engine parts (usually 2 stroke engine) and motorcycle fairing
But in the near future I have to scan an engine bay and an engine to design the intake for a prototype
I’m stuck between otter and raptor cause for some work one is better than the other and vice versa but actually I can buy only one
What do you advice?
My biggest concern is the space in the engine bay with fitted engine, I think it’s small for the raptor to do a good job, but with the laser I can have better resolution in other models (and no problem with dark or reflective parts)
I have to say that most of the time fairings and other things are black or dark (cf or something like that)
If I could only have one scanner it would be the Otter. The laser in the Raptor is a good trick, but ultimately one that’s not too useful for automotive, unless for example you want to do an engine/gearbox adaptor scan…
@@MakingforMotorsport so, do you think otter good enough to find head plane and screw position to create an intake manifold for a 4stroke engine? ( like you do in the video with your mini?)
Is it also good enough for motorcycle fairings? (My latest work was about replicate some parts on an old aprilia gp after a crash (smallest parts is about 20x20cm)
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I have to buy also a new computer cause actually my main is a little bit old and with shit (in 2024) components
I’m stuck between a dell workstation with 13850hx and Rtx 4000ada or save some money and a hp workstation with 13900h (or 13700hx) with rtx 2000
I usually use solidworks and fusion 360, actually I’m trying to learn blender and in my new work I start using Siemens nx
I don’t know if it is worth spending 1000+€ and buy the better one or save some money (actually I have an old 6800k and a 1060 and they do their job with a lot of patient and frustration)
Thanks a lot for you availability
I think it would have been more impressive on the beamer to have spread the markers out and scanned a larger area of the car that would be useful to have 3d model of like large single parts i.e. a quarter panel, a door panel, a plastic trim piece that's easily broken and replaced by a 3d print. You kinda got the bumper of the mini. That being said how memory intense is the software? What's the average size file of a small model compared to a large one? How much RAM is being used during scanning/rendering? I noticed you said it performed better connected to your laptop. Did you mention a price? I'm not intending to be super critical of the video. I'm genuinely curious and all but the last one aren't the kinds of questions are usually answered by ad. Thanks for the vid. I pushed the buttons. Keep up the good work.
Are you putting motorcycle carbs on the mini? I mean I would assume you were scanning them and the space to fit ITBs and EFI but if you're just going to replace the carbs with ITBs, why would you scan the carbs?
This is definitely close enough to get a shout out…
All will be revealed soon 👍
The clever girl seems like a clever choice minus the software. My guess if you are going to try and put a set of bike carbs and ITBs on the back on the mini motor?
Can you use Blue Laser for Face scanning? Thanks
By the showed your review this scanner should be use only in laser mode and for this you have to use markers. If someone buy and use only in Nir mode them is better to buy an otter scanner because Nir mode is better than raptor. Minute 14:21
Have you scanned something small like a coin? Curious on the quality.
Hi. I’ve just bought an Otter, running on a i9-10885H 2.4GHz. Quadro RTX3000, 32GB ram. Tried a few scans starting with the owl and each time the software locks up with message “the software is not responding, please restart the software and try import again”. Any help you give would be appreciated. BR Colin
What Ziess inspection software are you running? Is it the full version?
Do You thinking the Macbook M2 Pro with 16Gb will be good anough?
I don't get it - why is the NIR mode of the Raptor so much worse than the Otter?
i am a beginner, bought a Bambu Lab X1 3D printer, can the Raptor be used to scan things and the X1 print them?
All scanners output STL files which all slicer software can handle and print fro, however there will be some amount of clean up required to go from scan to print, it’s not hard and free software like MeshMixer can be used but it’s still going to be a step in the workflow…
This is awesome. Definitely seems like it's accurate enough for automotive use. I just wish Creality would lean towards fewer higher quality updates instead of more smaller ones. Any idea if they're ever going to have a wireless one?
No
As far as I know, Creality will soon have a wireless solution
This or the shining einstar?
I'm confused. What's the difference between the otter and the raptor. Scan quality wise not feature wise. I'm ready to buy but the price of the raptor is quite steep. I've seen the otter in many cases to do better. It would save a lot of money to buy the otter but as they say buy cheap buy twice.
My guess: Are you making a plenum for fitting a supercharger?
does the laser mode dangerous in face scanning?
You would have to cover the face with markers in laser mode 😂
Use NIR or better use the Otter with NIR because it pic up more details.