I trolled Miniac and he trolled YOU...
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- Sometimes you troll a little and...poof...it becomes Miniature Painting canon. Here is the story of how this HOAX came into existance. My bad!
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The LONGEST con
I just can't 😂😂😂😂
Hey if there’s one thing to take home it’s that your video on brushes certainly has had a big impact. We’ll pass over the fact that Trovarion implicated you in his trolling….
😂😂😂😂😂
I hear it's called a "guide con"...
I still remember that video! and we all did swallow that one. Seemed legit. Happens more often than I would like.
The biggest troll I've ever managed in miniature painting is making myself believe I'll paint all my minis before buying new ones
We're all addicted to the plastic crack
8 people disliking this video are Flat Earthers....
Flerfs only paint two-dimensionally.
Just cut off the guide hair for those people, it should be fine after that XD
Just get ready - some people will never go back even when being told the truth from the originator. From now on there will always be guide-hair believers.
Square
@@Vorpal_Wit i want to believe
Hahahaha, this is great! I mentioned trimming one of these long hairs recently and a lot of the comment section told me not to trim the guide hair hehehehe. You also make a VERY important point about the way un-sourced information gets passed around as gospel... great video, thanks! :-)
I've heard that the Guide Hair is to Mini-painting, what the Default Cube is to 3D Modelling. If you delete it; you get seven years bad luck.
With your microscope it may be worth experimenting whether trimming or plucking the longer hair leads to a better result longer term. I ask, as one thing you highlighted in your video was the shape of the natural hair and how it goes to a fine point compared with a synthetic brush hair, would the trimming compromise that and would plucking compromise the grip on the hairs in the ferrule.
Trolled so hard you trolled yourself. Thats good work.
never half ass something...
This feels like an unintended social psychology experiment into the power of influence and suggestion. Love it.
This is the painting version of “you swallow X number of spiders in your sleep per year” lol
Took me a couple of months to realise the "thin your paints" rule doesn't exactly apply to washes and metalic paints.
It does to some of them. You can always aid the flow with water if the stuff is too thick out of the bottle.
Metallic paint you have to thin with a different liquid. Atm not sure the name, but with "metallic thiner" you will find it.
Also use lighter metallic colors to make other brighter vise versa.
Depends exactly what you want to do with the paint. There is no catch all rule, just a use case that is best for whatever effect you are trying to paint.
@@eye9have5you35most metallic paints don't use actual metal and are water based. You can thin them with water just fine.
@@JorenMathews I mean, thars not what I said at all.
This is hilarious! I compliment you and Miniac for all your work, and of course, the massive extrapolation that this all became.
Because without myth, painting tiny things would be less interesting.
I'm off to go read my horoscope :D
I love how you played the long game on this and held onto the secret for so long, this is like the biggest trolling in the history of miniature painting quite possibly LOL
Guide hair? - I wish my brushes came with a guide HAND! 😁👍
You talked near the end of the video about some common misconceptions in mini painting e.g always shade with complementary colours. Can you do a video rounding up the most common misconceptions?
I'm considering that!
@@trovarionConsider faster, darn it! 😂
Keep up the great work, sir
@@trovarion please set the record straight on gloss varnish supposedly being stronger than matte varnish
This is hilarious! I didn't know about this and always trimmed them bc they were in the way of what I wanted to do.
The sad thing is that people still wont believe you. This is similar to something I saw when contrast first came out. Juan was putting out his awesome videos, but some in the legion community took a joke he made about it being the best as gospel, and proceeded to bully everyone online who didn't use contrast. So I messaged Juan and asked him to make a short explaining that there are alternative techniques and they may actually give better results, his response was "no one is stupid enough to believe contrast is the best, so there is no need for a video". Thanks for trying to fix this one.
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Literally no one believed Contrast is "the best" for everything, nor bullied anyone who criticized it. In fact, GW marketed them poorly as catch-all/quick army painting tools, when Contrast paints have far more versatility as tints, glazes, and finishes. Since their incorrect pitch for marketing them, the community has done NOTHING except scream that the paints, "Aren't at all what we were told they would be" by people who tried to use them as any sort of slop-it-on-and-tada! In fact, anyone who dares to speak positively about GW products gets harassed or even booted from message boards on Reddit.
The difference here is that people love contrast paint and would like to believe it's the best options. I think that little hair annoys everyone, and people are just begging for an excuse to just cut it off and be done with it.
@@saltedllama2759seems like you're turning a blind eye
I am actually a little mad because I bought a ton of brushes that had this issue and people online to NOT remove the offending hair no matter what... So I probably ended up not using a couple of perfectly good brushes thinking they were just irreparable and broken.
Yeah same lol 😂
Hmm why would you listen to people online? Just use a fresh blade to trim it. You can think on your own!
@@Pikilloification *what* should we think on our own?
Atleast if you asked on Reddit they tell you is only a guiding hair for the machine to attach the rest no problem cutting it or triming a little
These guys spreading misinformation.
Nice, you used your parental leave to step up your video editing game. The maveric style dramatization music, the dynamic camera, the presentation of textual content . Good job!
You laughing and kind of chuckling and seeing that side of you is the best part of this video. Your human side...emotional side... I can attach to that. Yeah you're great with paint...but I want to like the man behind the brush. It's why these other guys who aren't nearly as good as you have more subscribers.
This absolute mad lad! Fantastic meme. Keep up the great work.
Great vid, keep up! video about myths in miniature painting would be interesting
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When the shitpost goes way out of hand
I'll never believe anyone ever again! This is fantastic. I absolutely fell for it and thought I was just lucky I never ran across this type of brush.
Wow what a revalation. I thought the guide hair thing was a meme, but I had no idea of the origins. That's incredible.
😂 this is amazing! I fell for that one big time.😂
Has anyone asked Windsor and Newton about the hair, as it always seems to be their brushes that have it? Maybe this is a double reverse self troll and it is called a guide hair after all? 🤣
i think you need to change your name to " TROLL-varion Miniatures " for this one lol i had never heard of this before, this is god tier trolling, even though it wasnt intended to be at the time... you should be awarded a golden demon for this and this alone lol
That's funny, man. I have definitely heard about the "guide hair" before, and I have a couple of brushes that have this as well (they sent me new brushes out though, so wasn't all bad)
I've never had a guide hair in my Windsor and Newton brushes, and never heard the term before this video, and always just cut them off on burses that have had them, but this is HILARIOUS.
This is actually hilarious. I always install a red dot on my brushes and trim the guide hair off as soon as it's calibrated. It doesn't help my painting though...
That subtle foreshadowing of a great video ahead with that Cities of Sigmar book in the background.
This is part of what I consider the "Conventional Wisdom" or standard knowledgebase for what I know about painting. It is both hilarious and fascinating to find out the truth. I want someone to do a sociology (?) study or something because the "guide hair" explanation is literally everywhere. Bravo.
Oh god... I believed this too, since I started painting in 2019, and got Reddit help suggesting this at the time I bought my first sables. Man, I saw a reddit thread just the other day talking about this! Haha. Have to wonder how long this will stick around in the public consciousness...
"Hare today, goon tomorrow." - Bugs Bunny
This is hilarious 😂 Hope miniac can laugh this off and not feel like a fool 😜
you sly rogue Trovarion, this video made me chuckle
Too funny! I’ve only seen it on nice brushes, so I figured it was their way of saying, ‘Hey, you wanted a good tip/point? We overdid it so that you can do a final snip- to taste’
2:48 No shot, I thought I remembered that intro picture from a Reddit post. Can't believe I myself as a newbie have fallen victim to this hoax, and just preached it along as gospel.
"Repeat a lie a thousand times, and it becomes the truth". I think this is a good case of our minds incapability of fact checking every piece of information and blindly trusting authority. Wether it's authority by professionalism or authority by "bandwagon effect/herd behavior" (for lack of a better term). Although funny how I was aware of the fact I'm not very knowledgable in minipainting yet, and advocated for taking my comment with a grain of salt and waiting for more professional opinions. Funny that you ran into the same Reddit post Trovarion!
Lol haven’t heard that one but that’s great. Could you talk about the other gospels you quickly mentioned at the end?
Cool as always.
The funny thing is, while you were explaining the issue, my mind immediately went "does he mean the guide hair". So yeah, this one really cought on
It's the balance hairs that annoy me. The ones that stick out after a while to help guide your paint round curved edges, much like a motorcyclist leans off and sticks their knee down when going round the corner.
Good to see your face my man 😊
This is great! A proper guide(hair) video. 😂
Just the tip hair baby.. it won’t dirty the paint pot. 😂
Brush manufacturing montage was wicked engaging.
I always trimmed that longer single hair and never really thought about it 😂
I have actually in the past contacted w&n support on this a while ago, they had suggested sending it to them as a defect.
Someone should put you in their crosshair for this :D but You are absolutelly right about influencers creating a silly reality for painters, which is not always true. it's been going on for years. Some are more believable, some less. I stopped battling that online years ago. But best thing out of this video is the know how of HOW these things come up on the internet. A joke, trolling, misunderstanding... and off the information goes ;) cheers
Got more than a chuckle! 😂 but I suppose it highlights that people with Influence sometimes have to be careful with that power, and that they can have fun with it too!
Wow.. I didn't know about this Guide Hair myth.. I finally opened my eyes! :-D
I really hope there will be a 'Guide Hair'-merch t-shirt one day.
Trollvarion miniatures
I've never really thought about it much past trimming it the hobby blade. But well I learnt something today, so cool.
Classic!!
Actual solution to that friggin hair at 4:53
I have been using the "guide hair" for eons, I didn't know you had to use the "backup hairs" at the back of it? Takes me a month to paint a shoulder pad...
Only a month? lightweight 🙄
I completely thought that it was actually called the guide hair lol
I used these brushes exclusively for painting guide lines for checker patterns and hazard stripes 😂
Wonderful video. It's funny, I actually got into an argument with a guy online about paint getting into the ferrule. I essentially advised someone seeking honest advice about it and I let him know that depending on how thin the paint is, sometimes it happens, paint gets close to the ferrule.. and to not worry about it but instead to just be in a good practice of cleaning the brush after that session. Another individual decided to argue with me on that advice and claim paint should "never ever, EVER" get that close to the ferrule, so obviously I was doing something wrong...
Thanks for the feedback and what you do for the online painting community!
thanks bud
Well this just placed a smile on my face and gave me a giggle
Okay, well, it looks like your viral title is actually well-deserved.
I love this story :D
Another "fact" of miniature painting: drying primer with a hair drier bakes it on and makes it stronger. Complete and utter nonsense, yet at least until a few years ago (it may have died out?) it was brought up as a useful tip on just about every miniature painting related forums.
It does make the primer dry faster, obviously, but if anything speeding up the curing process would weaken the primer. Which is true of most polymers out there: the faster they cure, the more brittle the final result.
Trollarion striking again telling people to pluck out annoying brush hair.
Honestly I’m pretty sure the Gospel became Gospel this way... “It was the holy spirit, Josef!”
You shoul probably get a Golden Troll for this.
So is this the blinker fluid of miniature painting?
I always clipped the "guide hair" without a second thought...
He really caught us all by the guide hairs
This is brilliant! 🤣
Ha! Got’em! Great video
In maniacs case, it’s the lead paint taster.
I remember reading comments about the guide hair in W&N Series 7 brushes already 20 years ago. It goes a long way back.
wtf?? So maybe Trovarion picked up the guide hair meme years ago, forgot about it, and genuinely thought he was just making something new up on the spot.
Ha! I have no brush control, so my brushes get trashed before I even worry about a stray hair!
I love this. long live the guide hair.
Trollhaarion has spoken ;)
I giggled!
I´m sticking to the guide hair mythos, that sounds alot more fun.
I just bite it of, like a savage
RIP Rob Skiba
I believed the guide hair thing for years until hearing otherwise in a podcast within the last couple months. I still suspect that it's the first hair that goes in on brands that consistently have one long hair in the middle, though.
Milk consistency is one that has always bothered me. It sounds so definite and precise, but if you spend any time thinking about it - it's nonsense. Let's say there was one specific consistency that milk occupied (it doesn't, milk is a hugely variable substance even if you always get it from one single cow it will change based on so many different factors), for all practical purposes it's basically indistinguishable from water, which is the stuff we're usually using to thin the paint. Completely unhelpful.
I've had a Winsor and Newton Series 7 in it's tube for 6 months after using it once and hating the "guide hair" 😅
Hillarious
Making videos clearing up the lies we tell our enemies and rivals to hinder their growth is what's called a sustainable business model.
I did a class years ago with Meg Maples and she said to simply trim it and that was that. So glad I didn’t get conned!
This is amazing 🤣🤣
I can't get over people doing gloss+matte varnish because they believe it's stronger. It's stronger because you put on more varnish! If you want strong, just use lacquer!
High Level Troll. Respect.
What model is in thumbnail?
Well played!
Wow. Gotta admit I not only fell for this but I’ve passed on the bad knowledge. You have made a fool of me sir.
Ouch. This is too funny.
Trollvarion???
One time I told this dude that he should always use two thin coats when painting. I was just goofing around but man, he picked it up and ran with it!
Duncan is a stand up lad!
Oh are you talking about the Vanguard hair?
Greatest prank I've heard in a long time😂
I always snip off the hair. Sometimes it messes up the brush 😢
And this is why we tell jokes about people who believe everything they see on the internet. Thanks for coming clean, Trovarion.
Now I know why the grandpa at the art store had no idea what I was talking about. I was sure he must know what a guide hair was him being a seasoned painter and I just a novice.
Someone is going to start up r/NonCredibleTrov now
I hate "milk consistency" with a passion, haha.
THIS..... it all depends on the type oc colour and brand. And tbh personal preferense :D
It was always "the rule" for airbrush. People that heard it from the Citadel painting methods used it because that is how much their paint is in need of thinning to be functional. It was a specific instruction people kept leaving the clause off and assuming it was the general rule.
We've been had! We've been backstabbed! And quite possible, bamboozled! 😂
Absolutely hysterical- bravo, you dark horse!