Loving the new site B content and especially liking the perspective you guys are providing and making people think and question things. Super good stuff and this is what we need to make the culture shift to the right direction! Keep it up. Wish I had folks around me to train with and do stuff like this. I’m always trying to spread and share this perspective but not everyone is open minded in hearing it!
I am so happy to see you two gents talking about what some of us have been preaching for the last 30 years. Keep the torch of liberty alive. Y'all are doing the Lord's work.
Griffin Armament sells a full auto selector that goes to 60 degress for semi and 120 for full. The neat thing is that once you push the lever past 90 degrees the selector's detent make it go the rest of the way, so getting to full is just as quick as going to semi with a normal 90 degree selector. Hope this helps. Thank you for bringing awareness of select fire to the public. Only through efforts like yours will we have a chance of repealing the NFA
You should check out our box to bullseye videos as well. Those are one takes. Good, bad, ugly: we’ll be authentic with everyone. Some days we’ll burn it down, others… we’ll wish we weren’t recording 🤣
Thank you guys very, very much for your sacrifices and Continued service. I understand what you are trying to do, and it is awesome. But I do believe our issue is more systemic-that is to say that since Vietnam we have had Dramatically less people in office who have served in the Military, and Really served at that. From what I can see, this has lead to more spineless, greedy, and grafty individuals soiling our Legislative chairs. Look at how many think the Constitution is outdated... Look at how many Rights have been infringed upon... We Need more Veterans in Office and Running our News organizations. Those are the battle grounds that I Believe we need our veterans most. Remember how Ron Paul almost became President, and shortly after congress banned our service members from Publicly supporting candidates? They'd spill out some manipulative verbiage like "We don't want our soldiers to manipulate or influence our young people...", while hypocritically visiting colleges themselves to influence and Lie to our voting youth? We Still Need You, but we need you in Office. We need you polishing and refurbishing the Chairs that have been so severely mistreated. Please... discuss it, and Nominate those you know with the most integrity. Host public debates at VFWs, and continue the deferring nomination process until most of your nominees have themselves stepped down for those whom they themselves will endorse. Please... Any and all offices. Soo much Love, Respect, and Gratitude. Thank you for your time, whomever has read this.
Where did you order it be chance? And how was the process of filing out your form 4? I've never done it before so I don't know when you are supposed to sign and then submit it.
The Zion 12.5” AR-15 in your video on youtube, I noticed that there was a DBAL mounted. Have you had any issues zeroing or maintaining zero after use with your Laser unit?
If you check our other page @KeystoneCarry on YT we have a full review of the Z15 from last year. Definitely our favorite out of the box AR. We have a bunch built out in the armory.
@@TATargets watching now. Probably the best review ive seen on it. Definitely happy with my purchase especially now that I have it setup for home defense amd patrol. Im rocking the pistol version.
*skipping through the vid "damn" "that felt off" "strange" "what the fu--" LOL man this vid cracked me up but it was definitely informative and enjoyable. Great shooters and attitude
Nice, I got myself a Zion 15 pistol (the Jew Pew as I call it) as well. Besides select fire, are there any particular mods you would recommend doing, or is it just fine as is?
Well doing the “select fire mod” could land you in the federal pen, 10/10 would say that one shouldn’t happen 😂 we’d say a good sling, good optic, good light. Those are most important
I think you should try to do only one round on semi and one round on auto, to see how much time you lose on switching from safety. Im glad that there is someone doing videos like this one, you def. filled up hole on a market
I'm not sure I would call the Zion "budget". Maybe "entry level". I have one and it is probably the best bang for your buck rifle I've ever owned. I have about 1200 rounds thru mine
I grabbed the 12.5" Zion for $750 after ffl fee. $750 for and AR built by a company like IWI, which has a fantastic record in MIL applications, is about everything you could ask for. Making some mods to start using in small local competitions without spending a ton.
I own a transferable machine gun I wouldn’t mind it losing all its value. So we can all have newly made machine guns. Total bs that one made prior to May 19th of 1986 is any less dangerous than a newly manufactured one.
So I have a ? I’ve never used any gun with a laser but is the only reason it’s pink in the video due to the camera setting and a colored back light or is that laser actually a visible pinkish laser
Okay I have a question I love your Version IwI Zion Sbr I would like to invest in your business and do what you do I love Mk 18 rifles thank you for your time.
Hit up our night vision section on our website (tatargets.com/product-category/hard-goods/night-vision-optics/) and if you have any questions hit up our email (info@tatargets.com)
You’re gonna like this weeks upcoming video. It’s touching on this. Short answer: there’s no legal path for you as a regular citizen to build a new machine gun. Well dive into this soon.
@@TATargets because you look like a dork 😂. I mean it reminds me of those guys that wish they coulda gone to the military or even like those airsoft nerds who always wish they coulda done more with their life or something. Idk I’m just hating I guess. In conclusion it just seems a bit over the top you know. I will say though this fucker is ready for doomsday tho lol
Best explanation: we can use all kinds of toys but back home its an issue(paraphrasing) but they easily put criminals as the reason, like they follow the laws when the kill their family, or the many other situations you can make a grocery list of, if its not a gun its a knife, or hell a baseball bat...you literally would have to ban any and all objects as a weapon
Approaching from the shooting side, the semi auto appears to be more controllable, to some degree you know how many shots are taken and a more controlled intended target, maybe with less over shooting, unintended collateral damage. In this day when ammo is not as readily available and the cost, it may make more sense. The full auto side appears to be less controlled, more ammo used and the concern of collateral damage. Within the military you may have the luxury of limitless supply to some degree. Within the civilian sector I suspect ammo supply should be conserved, least you have a firearm with no ammo.
If we had to choose: semi or auto, we choose semi. That being said, we simply don’t agree with the over reach of government in the massive regulation of full auto.
I agree that full auto rifles should be legal. There’s no real reason for them to be illegal to make or possess w/o and ffl and sot. Due to Bruin and some of the other cases that should go to the Supreme Court will hopefully abolish the NFA and GCA. FRT triggers and full auto should be legal no matter what.
Full auto is why I have perforated ear drums and permanent ringing in them.it had its place. But, other than 4 qualifying times a years, I carried the M4 on hot standby for safety. If I anticipated engagement. I would leave it on Semi. My thoughts on full auto is I’ve seen them jam coming out of the armory on qual days. So, full auto in my mind was for suppressive fire, or you’re just totally screwed. So, guys with the coin to get a pre-86 trigger pack, enjoy. I can think of a lot of things I would like to have 30k plus for. Hell, maybe some damn hearing aids.
I didn't know what to expect from you guys and ended up fully enjoying the content. I'm with the whole this is 'Murica Let Freedom Ping!!! And I'm all in with the Molon!!!! Labe!!!! battle cry. If I have the bread to own a weapon like those you shot in the vid, I should be able to buy it without getting gov't permission first. But your vid illustrated why this SHOULD be heavily regulated. Two guys that know their way around guns are throwin rounds in select fire mode. Not everyone should have access to these weapons. Make them available to a reg guy like myself. BUT, make it where I can only take it home after I do some kind of qual with it. Is that extreme? Yeah, it is. But for safety sake it's needed. You all said it, you need a good day of running it to be able to shoot better content using select fire. Considering that, take into account that you have folks that would buy a weapon like that and only fire it to get the thrill of dumping a boat loa0d of mags. They are your so called irresponsible gun owners now armed with a full auto machine gun. We may disagree, great vid anyways. Enjoyed the content, the friendly banter and the willingness to shoot a vid without damn near all 1 MOA groups.
We FULLY disagree. We just proved that in semi, our times are IDENTICAL. Not to mention up until 1986 anyone could manufacture a new machine gun. Where was the machine gun crime? It’s non existent. Rights before fear. But thanks for watching and hanging out 👊
@@TATargets that's fine. i'm just saying FRT is here. you don't need a special license for FRT, yet. are you saying you don't have a license for those machine guns?
Love the video..Subbed to your channel I'm gona check out your buddie....To me the 3 round burst is far better than full auto..from a fighting standpoint
In my opinion, there is no such thing as an illegal gun. Love you guys! Rock on.
Same same. Guns are just guns. Government needs to get out of guns altogether.
Can we get an updated review on how the 12.5 IWI is holding up?
Guys!?
Loving the new site B content and especially liking the perspective you guys are providing and making people think and question things. Super good stuff and this is what we need to make the culture shift to the right direction! Keep it up. Wish I had folks around me to train with and do stuff like this. I’m always trying to spread and share this perspective but not everyone is open minded in hearing it!
We all play a role! Even if you impact just a handful of people, it matters. Thanks for checking the videos out!
I am so happy to see you two gents talking about what some of us have been preaching for the last 30 years. Keep the torch of liberty alive. Y'all are doing the Lord's work.
I’m loving all the great content you guys are putting out, keep up the great work!
Thanks for watching!
Griffin Armament sells a full auto selector that goes to 60 degress for semi and 120 for full. The neat thing is that once you push the lever past 90 degrees the selector's detent make it go the rest of the way, so getting to full is just as quick as going to semi with a normal 90 degree selector. Hope this helps.
Thank you for bringing awareness of select fire to the public. Only through efforts like yours will we have a chance of repealing the NFA
Never seen this channel. Absolutly love it. Good ideas, fundamental, and teaching.
I just found the channel a few months ago. It rocks! You'll love it! Always great stuff!
Thanks for checking us out!!!
Thanks for the kind words!
This was awesome. Very real life shooting, nothing super aggressive or pompous. Thank you for showing the mikes and real shooting. I appreciate it.
You should check out our box to bullseye videos as well. Those are one takes. Good, bad, ugly: we’ll be authentic with everyone. Some days we’ll burn it down, others… we’ll wish we weren’t recording 🤣
Thank you guys very, very much for your sacrifices and Continued service.
I understand what you are trying to do, and it is awesome. But I do believe our issue is more systemic-that is to say that since Vietnam we have had Dramatically less people in office who have served in the Military, and Really served at that. From what I can see, this has lead to more spineless, greedy, and grafty individuals soiling our Legislative chairs. Look at how many think the Constitution is outdated... Look at how many Rights have been infringed upon... We Need more Veterans in Office and Running our News organizations. Those are the battle grounds that I Believe we need our veterans most. Remember how Ron Paul almost became President, and shortly after congress banned our service members from Publicly supporting candidates? They'd spill out some manipulative verbiage like "We don't want our soldiers to manipulate or influence our young people...", while hypocritically visiting colleges themselves to influence and Lie to our voting youth?
We Still Need You, but we need you in Office. We need you polishing and refurbishing the Chairs that have been so severely mistreated. Please... discuss it, and Nominate those you know with the most integrity. Host public debates at VFWs, and continue the deferring nomination process until most of your nominees have themselves stepped down for those whom they themselves will endorse.
Please... Any and all offices.
Soo much Love, Respect, and Gratitude. Thank you for your time, whomever has read this.
Finally a real firearm channel. Not the typical over done mess. Two thumbs up!
I just picked up a Zion 15 12.5 pistol. I love it and the fit and finish is top notch.
Z15 is a solid rifle or pistol. Quality for sure.
Did u think about suppressing it?
Cause im thinking about picking up one myself
Your videos continue to get better and better. Keep it up! This channel needs to explode 💪🏻
Thank you! Hopefully more people find us!
I just found the channel but you guys have my full respect the way you approach the subject matter
Thank you for the support and for checking the content out!
Love the great content! Love the small bash on NFA 🙌🏼
We hate the NFA LOL
Jared I just found your channel and really enjoy your thought process and how you talk through the why and how. Keep killing it.
Thanks for checking our stuff out!!
Dropped a round worth it's weight in gold 🤣 Definitely some great information in this video and truly a "blast" to watch.
Wondering if you all are still shooting the Zion 12.5 and how its doing? I just ordered the SBR Zion and can't wait so hopefully good things thanks!
Where did you order it be chance? And how was the process of filing out your form 4? I've never done it before so I don't know when you are supposed to sign and then submit it.
I like this content a lot more than your previous content 👍🏼
Much more inbound.
Really enjoy watching you guys and watching you guys have fun!!! Love the content and looking forward to more videos!! Keep up the amazing work
Awesome video and great information! Also love the excavator in the background!
Killdozer II!!!
Dope video. I’ve been looking at the Giselle ssf trigger. After seeing this video I want it even more.
What a fun video man, please never change just keep having fun. and I grew with you both 1000% I want a real full auto G36K
Thanks for checking the page out!
Video quality and music is fantastic!! Subscribed
Thanks for the sub! Another video drops today!
Incredible content you guys put out! Please make more...
We don't plan on stopping!
Tier1Citizen did a good video on his experience with FA
I like semi auto but i would love that option for a giggle switch
The Zion 12.5” AR-15 in your video on youtube, I noticed that there was a DBAL mounted. Have you had any issues zeroing or maintaining zero after use with your Laser unit?
really love the camera and microphone on this video and that wrist flick at the end of groupings.
Canon EOS R5 for most of our videos.
Just found your channel today and watched this video first. Great content and great quality! Subbed!
Thanks for checking us out!
So happy to see someone running the Zion 15. Definitely was the best AR I bought in the covid era.
If you check our other page @KeystoneCarry on YT we have a full review of the Z15 from last year. Definitely our favorite out of the box AR. We have a bunch built out in the armory.
@@TATargets watching now. Probably the best review ive seen on it. Definitely happy with my purchase especially now that I have it setup for home defense amd patrol. Im rocking the pistol version.
Still have my Tippmann 98s. Haven't used them since paintballs were a nickel a piece. (the field ones)
Good video guys. Like the stuff that yall put out there
Thanks for the support!
Thanks for your work. Keep it up.
hell yay love the zion 15. I have BCMs and other higher quality AR's and I love my zion 15, definitely the best bang for buck AR out right now.
Z15 is legit
*skipping through the vid "damn" "that felt off" "strange" "what the fu--" LOL man this vid cracked me up but it was definitely informative and enjoyable. Great shooters and attitude
Thanks for stopping by!
The cam quality is awesome. Black Magic?
EOS R5
If you have a select fire trigger pack, you can only put it on a lower that has PEW PEW and PEW PEW PEW as your selector choices.
Nice, I got myself a Zion 15 pistol (the Jew Pew as I call it) as well. Besides select fire, are there any particular mods you would recommend doing, or is it just fine as is?
Well doing the “select fire mod” could land you in the federal pen, 10/10 would say that one shouldn’t happen 😂 we’d say a good sling, good optic, good light. Those are most important
Great video and who doesn’t like NV shoots. Very informative video and badass
Thanks for checking it out
That outro 😍 🔥 🔥 🔥
Thanks for watching!!
Love the iwi. My fav gun. Great video. New sub!
Thanks for jumping on board!
Any upgrades on the Zion good video
I want a zion 15 pistol. Especially a select fire one. Yall just earned a new subscriber.
Welcome to the dark side! Thanks for joining.
I think you should try to do only one round on semi and one round on auto, to see how much time you lose on switching from safety. Im glad that there is someone doing videos like this one, you def. filled up hole on a market
Thanks for the feedback!
Nice to see a budget gun like the Zion in there. How's she running? I just picked one up as my first AR.
I'm not sure I would call the Zion "budget". Maybe "entry level". I have one and it is probably the best bang for your buck rifle I've ever owned. I have about 1200 rounds thru mine
@@l337l0gan agreed. Budget price but one of the most legit rifles out of the box.
Cannot recommend the Zion 15 enough
I grabbed the 12.5" Zion for $750 after ffl fee. $750 for and AR built by a company like IWI, which has a fantastic record in MIL applications, is about everything you could ask for. Making some mods to start using in small local competitions without spending a ton.
@@alexglenn2122 We've been running the Z15's as machine guns and beating the heck out of them. They are solid.
RUclips suggested this video, I played it I just subscribed great video 👍🏼
Thanks for the support!
I own a transferable machine gun I wouldn’t mind it losing all its value. So we can all have newly made machine guns. Total bs that one made prior to May 19th of 1986 is any less dangerous than a newly manufactured one.
We’re 100% the same. Rights come before transferrables
Keep up the good work
Thanks for watching!
You guys,are dangerous, good 👍👏👌
Very dangerous, very good. 😈
Any issues with the midlength gas system on the 12.5 ?
No, mid length is king for this barrel length in our opinion.
the ssf trigger is like the ssa, not ssae. the ssae was designed to be a dmr trigger while the ssa is a full on combat trigger
Im torn between getting a CMMG or this. Im trading up with my S&W MP15 and want an improvement.
great seeing you and Paul out having fun! Thanks for the content and looking forward to the next one! Merica!!!!!
Oh yeah it was a blast
can u compare pws mk111(11.8 in) vs iwi zion (12.5 in)?
Luv to see the Zion able to full dum mode!
It takes it like a champ. We have a couple full auto Z15's
@@TATargets I luv it
Great video. Do you recommend any particular place(s) to purchase quality gen 3 tubes?
We are a dealer and order components and complete units direct from night vision devices
@@TATargets didn't know thx, will check out the website. keep the NV content comin👍
Bad ass video! I follow you both.
Nice video!
That’s fucking awesome
What kind of barrels are y’all running?
Great video
Is the Zion good an did u beef it up any h town
So I have a ? I’ve never used any gun with a laser but is the only reason it’s pink in the video due to the camera setting and a colored back light or is that laser actually a visible pinkish laser
It’s a full spectrum camera. Invisible to the naked eye.
Ahhh well very cool video I just found your channel last night thank for the responding so fast
Is the Zion stock an is it reliable good review
Yes very good rifle. We did a full review on the other page “Keystone Carry”
Okay I have a question I love your Version IwI Zion Sbr I would like to invest in your business and do what you do I love Mk 18 rifles thank you for your time.
Absolute killer of a vid boys, thanks for getting naughty.
Thanks for watching!
You might have said this already but what are the guns zeroed for?
the 12.5" is 50 yards. Not sure on the MK18.
Who makes that light mount on the mk18? I noticed it puts that light out much further on the suppressor.
Trex arms light bar. I believe arisaka makes it for them
@@TATargets how has it been holding up for you?
It’s not ours, it’s Paul’s. Hop on Instagram, type in “blackirongunner” and shoot him a message. He’ll be able to let you know how it’s holding up 👊
Hi there! Where can i found the helmet with night vision?
Hit up our night vision section on our website (tatargets.com/product-category/hard-goods/night-vision-optics/) and if you have any questions hit up our email (info@tatargets.com)
How do you get selective fire?
Do you need to submit form with NFA?
You’re gonna like this weeks upcoming video. It’s touching on this. Short answer: there’s no legal path for you as a regular citizen to build a new machine gun. Well dive into this soon.
@@TATargets so what you guys are shooting is illegal?
@@enzosouphaphan5015 watch our next machine gun video
Are these guys military or ex military?? If not is all the head gear and stuff that necessary? Just curious
Why does it matter? It’s a free country. 🤷🏻♂️
@@TATargets because you look like a dork 😂. I mean it reminds me of those guys that wish they coulda gone to the military or even like those airsoft nerds who always wish they coulda done more with their life or something. Idk I’m just hating I guess. In conclusion it just seems a bit over the top you know. I will say though this fucker is ready for doomsday tho lol
Just got a new zion 15 pistol how does one make it select fire please don't hate lol its my first pistol rifle and everyone starts somewhere
Short answer: you can’t. It’s not legal for you to do that. We’ll be doing a video on this soon
@@TATargets ok got you ill keep an eye out for that
Is the Zion 15 a good budget AR15?
110%
@@TATargets my dumb ass bought two colt rifles for 1300 each:/
Best explanation: we can use all kinds of toys but back home its an issue(paraphrasing) but they easily put criminals as the reason, like they follow the laws when the kill their family, or the many other situations you can make a grocery list of, if its not a gun its a knife, or hell a baseball bat...you literally would have to ban any and all objects as a weapon
Approaching from the shooting side, the semi auto appears to be more controllable, to some degree you know how many shots are taken and a more controlled intended target, maybe with less over shooting, unintended collateral damage. In this day when ammo is not as readily available and the cost, it may make more sense. The full auto side appears to be less controlled, more ammo used and the concern of collateral damage.
Within the military you may have the luxury of limitless supply to some degree. Within the civilian sector I suspect ammo supply should be conserved, least you have a firearm with no ammo.
If we had to choose: semi or auto, we choose semi. That being said, we simply don’t agree with the over reach of government in the massive regulation of full auto.
Anyone know which brand the logo on his right sleeve is from at 3:04?
Dangerous But Good
@@TATargets Thanks
Do your dtnvs ever just shut off randomly?
We’re running BNVD’s and no they don’t give us any issues at all
@@TATargets Nice thanks
I agree that full auto rifles should be legal. There’s no real reason for them to be illegal to make or possess w/o and ffl and sot. Due to Bruin and some of the other cases that should go to the Supreme Court will hopefully abolish the NFA and GCA. FRT triggers and full auto should be legal no matter what.
Awesome content
Thank you. We had a blast making this video.
Full auto is why I have perforated ear drums and permanent ringing in them.it had its place. But, other than 4 qualifying times a years, I carried the M4 on hot standby for safety. If I anticipated engagement. I would leave it on Semi. My thoughts on full auto is I’ve seen them jam coming out of the armory on qual days. So, full auto in my mind was for suppressive fire, or you’re just totally screwed. So, guys with the coin to get a pre-86 trigger pack, enjoy. I can think of a lot of things I would like to have 30k plus for. Hell, maybe some damn hearing aids.
The point is: they shouldn’t be more regulated than regular firearms. Whether they’re practical or not doesn’t factor into the equation for us.
@@TATargets I agree that the NFA is an infringement.
do the Mozambique
Please do more night shooting, this was awesome 👍🏼
We plan to!
h2 or H3 buffers ?
45° safty would really improve your time
Im not aware of a 45 deg selector for select fire. if you know of one give me a shout
I didn't know what to expect from you guys and ended up fully enjoying the content. I'm with the whole this is 'Murica Let Freedom Ping!!! And I'm all in with the Molon!!!! Labe!!!! battle cry. If I have the bread to own a weapon like those you shot in the vid, I should be able to buy it without getting gov't permission first. But your vid illustrated why this SHOULD be heavily regulated. Two guys that know their way around guns are throwin rounds in select fire mode. Not everyone should have access to these weapons. Make them available to a reg guy like myself. BUT, make it where I can only take it home after I do some kind of qual with it. Is that extreme? Yeah, it is. But for safety sake it's needed. You all said it, you need a good day of running it to be able to shoot better content using select fire. Considering that, take into account that you have folks that would buy a weapon like that and only fire it to get the thrill of dumping a boat loa0d of mags. They are your so called irresponsible gun owners now armed with a full auto machine gun. We may disagree, great vid anyways. Enjoyed the content, the friendly banter and the willingness to shoot a vid without damn near all 1 MOA groups.
We FULLY disagree. We just proved that in semi, our times are IDENTICAL. Not to mention up until 1986 anyone could manufacture a new machine gun. Where was the machine gun crime? It’s non existent. Rights before fear. But thanks for watching and hanging out 👊
What is the name of that mag carrier
Ready Rig from TREX arms, plate carrier is the AC1 from TREX.
That looks fun
Oh it is.
Good shit
Thank you!
Cool Beans.
I concur.
Thanks for stopping by
Sick
"we're gonna play with our NODS later.." bet y'all did
Check the Site B video and you'll see what we did with our nods.
Or just watch the end of the video LOL
We are not like them...
Exactly like them
Mark the spot where we stood and mag dumped. I’ll wait.
The Positive Likes at the time of writing is 556, just wanted to point this out as it is mildly amusing
BOOM. Good catch.
Y’all fck hard. I like it.
FRT is here, so, go from there.
These are not force reset triggers. These are machine guns.
@@TATargets that's fine. i'm just saying FRT is here. you don't need a special license for FRT, yet. are you saying you don't have a license for those machine guns?
Love the video..Subbed to your channel I'm gona check out your buddie....To me the 3 round burst is far better than full auto..from a fighting standpoint
Paul is a solid dude. Definitely subscribe to him.
If you don't know back iron gunner, you don't know shit. 🤙🏻
Paul is a solid dude.
This 🏴
Thanks for checking it out!
MK18 is 10.3......
3:30 you get lost on the way to that dot bro?