Doctor Who Season 4 Episode 6 Reaction | The Doctor's Daughter
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- 🛸 Episode Overview: On the planet Messaline, in the middle of an endless war, the Doctor meets the most important woman of his life.
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Thanks bro! I needed the assist!
What are the odds that a Doctor Who would marry the daughter of another Doctor Who, whom also portrayed that Doctor Who's child, & she is also the child of the Doctor Who's favorite Doctor Who?
I gotta catch up!!!
The women that played his daughter is actually David's Tennant wife in real life and her father was the 5th doctor
@@CheGuevara-uf4pm yeah, we talked about that in our discussion at the end
I wonder what piece of trivia is going to be posted 1 billion times in the comments to this video
I think i have been here before😵💫🫨
That the actor who played Cobb was King Arthur in Martin Boorman's Excalibur, perhaps?
That Viggo Mortensen broke his toe when he kicked that orc helmet??
that georgia’s maiden name was one letter off from that of writer and later showrunner steven moffat?
truly i can’t think of any other notable trivia from this episode🥸🥸🥸
As you probably now know Georgia Moffat (now Georgia Tennant) who played Jenny is David's wife. She has joked "I can't get away from Doctor Who. My dad was the Doctor (Peter Davison, the 5th doctor) and my best friend growing up had a dad who was the Doctor (Colin Baker, 6th doctor). I thought everyone's dad was the Doctor. Then I appeared on Doctor Who where I met my husband." She and David have 5 children. Their oldest Ty Tennant (David's adopted son) has acted in both House of Dragons & in a scene in Good Omens series 2 with both his dad and grandfather, Peter Davison. Their oldest daughter, Olive was in Belfast. Their next oldest child, Wilfred is named after Bernard Cribbins' character, Wilfred Mott (Donna's grandfather.) Georgia has said that others of their kids are also named after Bernard Cribbins but hasn't given any other specifics. Georgia and David have one child who is nonbinary and both have been LGBT advocates and advocates for trans kids.
"Time Crash" is one of the short sketches filmed for either Comic Relief or Children in Need. They're not needed for continuity but tend to be a lot of fun.
Georgia and David met filming this episode.
Don’t forget after this season there is five other specials The Next Doctor, Planet of the Dead, The Waters of Mars and The End of Time & Part 2
‘That part’!
yeah, it's basically another half-season of material-like a goty edition dlc expansion for series four to tide people over while they were still cooking the sequel. 😆
Martha's fiancé is Tom Milligan, the doctor she met in the Year That Never Was, played by Tom Ellis, who went on to star in _Lucifer._ Although Martha remembers that year, Tom doesn't (and didn't live it because of the reset).
Jenny gets her own audio spinoff, and shows up in a few comic books.
It’s believed that she didn’t regenerate but that the source gave her life
Her "regeneration" is a bit confusion, but RTD later explained that this isn't a timelord style regeneration, but the teraforming gasses that brought her back. Actually RTD didn't originally have her live at the end, but Steven Moffat convinced him to.
Jenny didn't regenerate so much as she was revived by the teraforming gasses that were reviving the planet
You have crazy timing with the ood fine time parallel and the doctors daughter legend of Ruby Sunday family connection
Timey wimey.
It even occured to me that this has a little in common with Boom too, with a fruitless war driven by faulty code. Wouldn't it be wild if Ruby's mother was Jenny, and Ruby is in actuality Susan before knowing she's Susan.
Yes, that was wild.
@@DakNJaxter SPOILER SPECULATION FOR CURRENT WHO/CLASSIC WHO
That would be amazing. I'm not sure how the Susan part would work. Jenny could have been Susan's mother too.
Even by Doctor Who standards, the 'Running Through Corridors' in this is a lot.
Gendry just hanging out.
Georgia Moffat the actress that plays Jenny the doctor's daughter is the daughter of Peter Davison the guy that played the 5th doctor and then she married David Tennet the 10th doctor.
And they have a daughter together.
Davison.
@@jennifermorris6848 More than one.
And if you wait to the end, they figure that out.
@@R.senals_Arsenal and? Georgia Moffat's son and David Tennet's Stepson says David is his fav Doctor... his second favorite is Tom Baker... "sure his Granddad loves that." I saw that in a vid with Georgia and her son..it was funny as hell.
The actor who plays Cline later played Gendry in Game of Thrones
It was nice to see Martha, although the episode writer seemed to have some trouble juggling all the companions in this episode. I did like seeing Martha take care of the fish person. A doctor has to give aid.
Yes, I personally think that episodes eight to thirteen of this season are the best sequential period of Nu Who's history, although many individual episodes from later seasons match up to that standard.
What are the odds that a Doctor Who would marry the daughter of another Doctor Who, whom also portrayed that Doctor Who's child, & she is also the child of the Doctor Who's favorite Doctor Who?
And their child would star as the nephew of another Doctor in House of the Dragon
and the best friend of a Doctor's daughter? (Georgia has said that her best friend growing up was Colin Baker's - the 6th Doctor's daughter.) She has joked "I thought everyone's dad was The Doctor".
@@purrceys7959 Colon? I think you meant to say Colin.
@@xero2135 yes I did and I didn't catch the edit autocorrect made. I've edited to Colin, thank you for letting me know.
Jenny is one of the characters that i have been waiting for to show up again at some point in Doctor Who
Yes, still hoping. At least she has the audio adventures.
It's a real shame that we never saw Martha again after this ep, she deserved more.
You have 12 more Tennant Stories.
There are 5 specials after this season!!
Georgia & David met on set of this episode - Peter Davison said his daughter said to him she was going out with David cause he wanted to show her stuff, and his dad senses told him "It's because he likes you," and her not sure. Eventually she was sure, and they got married AND one of their kids now plays a kid on House of the Dragon!
2008 was a big year for me, as far as I remember it I had a Myspace and then it did this My_____ thing nobody understood, then it waved a white flag, gave up to Facebook, and changed into this thing nobody wanted to be on anymore. I had tried Facebook but didn't like it using my real name so I deleted it, and never joined any future social medias. I do have a Discord I rarely ever use though so if you start one, I'm there.
Oh snaps! One of my personal favorite episodes with David Tentant's version of the Doctor! 🙏🏽💪
If they enjoy Dr. Who lore and history they should look up the haunted puppet from the 70's. A real life classic Dr. Who horror story
Actress who plays Genny,is actually peter Davidson's daughter 😊.
I love in the newest episode how the doctor said he doesn't have any children, and then you guys immediately watch this episode where he has a daughter... 😅
Not only that, he also mentioned in this episode that he's been a father before & he lost all that a long time ago
So uh... Yeeeeaaah idk what RTD is doing
to be fair he doesn’t know she came back to life, he still thinks she died in this episode
@@deathswitch2404 RTD is having a lot of fun in S1/14/40 (look, it looks like a date!)!! He's just making up his own rules--but he did that the first time (here), too, so.....
From his conversation with Kate and everything we've seen, it makes it seem like he has raised children but hasn't created them...or doesn't realize he's created them yet. He says he's lost children. He kinda sidesteps admitting it, but he has a cot that may have been used by his kid. And then there's "Dad skills."
I was very disappointed in the current episode when he said that he wasn’t a father because this was such a poignant moment. There is a lot of ret-conning sometimes between showrunners but this is an RTD episode. Why would RTD undermine such a beautiful moment?
Russell T Davies literally said that he assumed Jenny would've crashed into a moon or something. He hated anything not written by him. Rightfully, as the Doctors' actual daughter, Georgia was pissed.
She was supposed to remain dead at the end of the ep but Steven Moffatt wanted the option to bring her back (what happens with that I'll say no more on for fear of spoilers) so RTD asked Stephen Greenhorn, the writer, to change the ending. It was supposed to be ambiguous if it was energy from The Source or regeneration energy that brought her back, except nobody watching it thought it was The Source.
Lowkey, this is why im glad they're almost done with all the RTD stuff aside from the 60th specials
@@OldManFerdiad Well, of course, it wouldn't be. The TARDIS knows there needs to be more like The Doctor in the universe. Symbiotic link, remember?
RTD likes to make jokes like that.
@@OldManFerdiad Except for a hundred people who comment in RUclips videos. ;)
The Tennants have been married over a decade and have five kids, including Ty Tennant, who was on _House of the Dragon._ Georgia recently did another series of Big Finish audio adventures as Jenny and played a version of herself in the TV series, _Staged,_ the latter of which you two might want to react to at some point.
Seconded on Staged, that show was great fun, and Georgia was a highlight too.
Ty was in Good Omens season 2 as well!
@@adamcarlson2192 And so was Peter Davison. I didn't mention that because they haven't watched it (but I should have thought better of that when I added _Staged)._ They should also watch _Good Omens,_ of course! Thank you.
@@HuntingViolets not only that, but in the same episode! Grandfather, father, and son all in the same scene.
@@Persewna4 Yes. And the grandfather playing the grandson's father. They almost had Georgia in another episode, but she said she wasn't right for the part -- an unusual admission from an actor.
Say hello to Gendry!
There is an upcoming 2-part-er this season that is right up there with my favorite Who stories. I know you will LOVE it.
They had Television Without Pity back in the day too.
You guys got your work cut out for you with Empire Of Death. As usual, I can't wait to see your take! You guys have probably the most unique Doctor Who react stuff on youtube. Plus, Rekkai is like a secret guru or something, man's got his finger on the pulse and is like hyper perceptive. (Syntell you got the Intel, so don't worry, you are great too)
17:52 My man the Doctor! 🙏🏽💪
Some of the greatest who eps to come 🎉enjoying yall journey
Second time lucky!
Rekkai & the Fish Puns 🤣
i’d had enough after the first 2 😂
The women that played his daughter is actually David's Tennant wife in real life and her father was the 5th doctor
I don't think the Doctor caused the drama here -- the war was happening before he got there, and we can see it would have just kept going until the soldier machine stopped making new people to die. Props to Donna for figuring out the war has been going on for just seven days. She is showing herself to be very useful.
The timing of you guys reaching this episode this week is wild, given the plot in the current series. However, I noticed a while back that Ruby Sunday heavily resembles Georgia Tennant and have had a pet theory that she is actually Ruby's mother, and The Doctor has been unknowingly traveling with his granddaughter again all season. It's pretty unlikely to actually happen but if it does, I am going to be gloating so hard over on Reddit. lol.
Ooooh - GEORGIA TENNANT showing up in the current season (14/1) finale would be insane. I hadn’t even thought of it. If nothing else current who could use at least ONE MORE mysterious woman whose coincidences break the 4th wall of the show.
Would be wild if she were the one dropping off Ruby at the Church. Nobody even theorized that, would be wild!! Probably won't happen, but still....
3:36 Exactly!! 😂
Guys, there’s a series you’ll find on RUclips called “Tales of the TARDIS,” which are a number of short episodes re uniting classic Doctor Who companions with their own respective classic Doctors! As you haven’t seen Classic Who, they won’t be so poignant to watch as they are to us oldies, but the latest one they’ve released (a few days ago) shows various clips from each of the four episodes of a 1975 4th Doctor (Tom Baker) story called “Pyramids of Mars.” The villain in this story is Sutekh, who as you know, has just returned to plague the Doctor again in the new season!
“Pyramids of Mars,” is a wonderful gothic masterpiece of classic Doctor Who where Tom Baker is at the top of his game, ably assisted by his then companion, Sarah Jane Smith (Elisabeth Sladen) whom you met in the season two episode, “School Reunion.” Please take a look at it to acquaint yourselves with Sutekh the Destoyer before the finale of next weeks season 14, as well as giving you your first taste of Classic Who!
4:24 Yikes! 😭😂
Remember when the doctor lost a hand, but was within the first 15 hours of his regeneration so he could grow it back? Jenny was within her first 15 having been created, so she didn’t have to go through a full regeneration.
And there's quite a few minisodes to investigate.
When asked what the best present a fan ever gave him was, the fifth Doctor, Peter Davison, took a moment, and then said "Grandchildren.".
That is wonderful
I love Georgia ❤
2:08 This is where the fun begins! 🙏🏽💪
Martha getting that fish guy killed by falling into the pool.
The shorts are fun but it would have been nice if they found a way to intergrate them into digital versions after the fact when they no longer have to be edited to fit a broadcast time window. we have so much freedom in this digital era and no network seems to want to jump on it. Kinda like the starwars prequels were recorded mostly on green screen.... why not put that raw footage out there and let fans redo all the CGI because the prequels really didnt age well
Actually, before he was cast as the Doctor, David said in a interview with the Scotsman that Tom Baker was his acting hero. Once he started dating Georgia, he became more diplomatic and said Tom was his first, but he watched them both.
Yeah, he is pretty cagey about naming a favorite these days.
Ayyyy here we go, popcorn at the ready!
I was like what? MC is now doing Doctor Who?!😂
MC?
As always: DW lore and canon are fluid with these terms, but just to clarify: "Timelord" is a rank a "Gallifreyan" (the actual name of their race now, in the past they may have called themselves Shobogan) can achieve, but somewhat confusingly its often used interchangeably with the species. (probably because nobody cares about non TL Gallifreyans lol) A Timelord is a "super human" version of their race, genetic alterations and much more happen to become a Timelord. And they are the ruling class - the Doctor is basically a noble who never much liked nobility or status.
So, I think this was a great episode, and I want to mention some things. First, in this episode the Doctor tells Donna he has been a father before (which makes sense since he has a grand-daughter). But in the most recent episode of Doctor Who ("The Legend of Ruby Sunday" with Ncuti Gatwa as the Doctor) he says he has a grand-daughter but doesn't have kids yet (suggesting the doctor met his future grand-daughter before having kids). But this doesn't make sense. Also, the actress playing the Doctor's daughter here is Georgia Moffett (who not only went on to be David Tennant's wife in real-life, but she is also the real-life daughter of Peter Davison who played the 5th Doctor in the 80s). Just wanted to mention that fun fact. Lastly, in this episode we find out this war went on for generations but only lasted a week (because soldiers were dying so much and more kept coming out of those machines, so over time they forgot how long the war actually was). But all of them were young and the general was old, and unless they age fast too he must have been their at the beginning and new how long the war actually was. But it didn't seem like he did. That is just something I didn't get.
Even if he were there at the beginning of the week, it might seem longer to him (since it was his whole life), or he could have come out of the machine looking older to take on the role of general from one who had recently been killed.
Good news, and with no content spoilers, you are correct that this is his last season, but Tennant does stick around for 3 specials before the new Doctor takes over. So there is still some good Tennant stories coming before you have to say good bye to him.
5 specials : TND, PotD, WoM, EoTp1, EoTp2
@@R.senals_Arsenal You are correct, even more Tennant to love
Only tuned in here to watch Vampire Diaries recation pah lol. If ya know ya know
i would say in theory since Jenny was just born we could repeat what 10 said in his first episode... he was in the first 24 hours of his regeneration so he was able to regrow his hand so Jenny might have just healed from that instead of needing to regenerate. In terms of Jenny shes not the first female time lord. while shes kind of a clone of the doctor its more like an offspring.... in classic who we had his grand daughter and he also traveled for a while with another female timelord so its not like that was an out there concept.... however i dont think there was a single black timelord in all of classic who so yea....
I think it was the source light that was glowing around her and not regeneration light. Not to say regeneration wouldn’t be possible . . . Just not necessary.
Tennant's tenure as Ten. :)
Heeey, that's not Interview with the Vampire ! :p
21:02 😊💪
There is another Doctor Who Omniverse show that no one ever talks about.
It is called 'Class' and while it wasn't as good as all of the other shows, it was interesting.
Don't watch until you are in the era of the 12th Doctor.
I also want to mention, I don't think Jenny (the Doctor's daughter) regenerated. It's possible, but I actually think it was the terra forming gasses (or energy) the Doctor released that brought her back (the energy that came out of her looked the same yellow and green as the terra forming gasses, and not the solid yellow regeneration energy). Plus, she stayed the same and didn't change her face. I will say though, the Master's regeneration energy was not just yellow but an aray of colors, so whoes to sayJenny didn't regenerate based on the colors she produced. And maybe she didn't change her face for the same reason the Doctor grew his hand back. After a Time Lord regenerates they have a certain amount of time with some extra regeneration energy that can be used to heal. So, maybe that also goes for being born (either the natural way or the way she did). But because the energy (or gasses, whatever you want to call it) she produced looked exactly like the terra forming energy, I think that it either healed her or brought her back. I do like to think it did jump-start her regenerations though.
Yes, I think it's basically up to the audience. Even when RTD or one of the writers takes a stand, I pretty much go by Word of God is not canon and only take it on as my headcanon if it appeals to me.
The fact that the Doctor's Daughter was portrayed by the (5th) Doctor's daughter is so on the nose! I don't think she actually regenerated at the end though, I think the chemicals from the Source, terraforming the planet, were able to revive her because she does have Time Lord DNA and was maybe not AS dead as a human would have been (she was only mostly dead, lol). That's why her appearance doesn't change.
I agree that what they gave Martha to do in this episode was lackluster compared to her season and, although I love Martha, I wish they hadn't included her in this episode. It kind of felt like the writers had her get captured just to get her out of the way of the main plot, since Jenny ended up joining Donna and the Doctor. It kind of reminds me of The Girl in the Fireplace, where Mickey just joined the duo only to spend his first adventure in the Tardis basically just wandering an abandoned spaceship. The main difference there is that Rose was paired off with him so we do get to see some character moments between them, with Rose taking charge in the Doctor's absence and showing off for Mickey. Whereas for Martha, she was stucking with fish people who talk in bubbles...
The rest of this season is SO GOOD, I am so excited for it. One of my absolute favorite episodes ever is coming up, I personally think it's even better than Blink so I am eagerly anticipating that one! Personally I feel that this episode, The Doctor's Daughter, is the weakest episode in Season 4, and even then it has some good scenes, particularly with Donna, Jenny, and the Doctor.
Also I never noticed how often they show that hand-in-a-jar until you pointed it out! Interesting...
Jenny is Gallifrayan, but not a Time Lord. She probably came back because of the terraforming.
Hippocratic Oath.
Could Ruby be Jenny's daughter?
The question below this (although they move around) as I scrolled down is "Is Jenny Ruby's mother?"
The rest of the season is just one excellent episode after another.
Why would there be pushback, she was a clone, not the Doctor. And, she is not the first female Time Lord, plenty of ladies in the old series.
Id really love for some viewings of classic who - all is ofc a bit much to ask for most folks, but a best of perhaps? I just have this feeling that some episodes might really do it for these two. Fingers crossed!
Bougainvillea is a flowering plant.
Sarah Jane of SJA and Jenny definitely set the blueprint. And--I bet you know what I'm about to say :)--keep watching!!!!
Yessir!
At he end of this season there is 4 More special episodes with Tennent
5 specials if you count end of time part 2
3 seasons but y still got the "specials" to look forward to with David and they're remarkable 😂
Is Jenny Ruby's mother?
The question above this (although they move around) as I scrolled down is "Could Ruby be Jenny's daughter?"
This ep fell at the perfect or maybe the worst time because now you are gonna have to wrestle with the knowledge that in this ep the Doctor clearly states he had children who are gone to in the current era(Ncuti first season ep 7) ep stating he will have children in the future
🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩😍😍😍😍😍
David wife you get to see
there was no push back for this. there were female timelords back in old classic who and as you said it isn't the same as changing the gender of the character main character which people were more apprehensive about. also you'd be surprised but ncuti didn't get that much push back just a minority of blatant racists but overall positive when he was cast though people have varying opinions on his first series as it comes out now
100%! Hell if I recall correctly, the idea for a female doc was thrown about by Sydney N. himself back when the ratings for 6 were not looking to good - granted: his first call was a return of Patrick T. but that wouldnt have worked out well since he died shortly after.
It can feel like a lot of "push back" (such a gentle term for not very gentle reactions) when it's directed at you, I imagine, although I don't want to speak for Ncuti Gatwa.
But that's ok then 😅😅😅
Kind of wished Tennant and potential number of future doctors tenures weren’t mentioned and also it baffles me people still don’t give af about other spoilers in the comments
The episode that the Doctor has a child who happens to be the real daughter of the Doctor who gets married to the Doctor
Kinda fish racist my guys smdh lol
The doctors daughter married the doctor, and had the doctors daughter *is a valid sentence*
Anybody in this comment section know how to watch the new Tales of the TARDIS while being an American citizen? I dont want to miss out, but after hours of looking online im desperately pleading to Who fans directly
(possible spoiler)
There were concerns about the change to a female doctor, which mostly had to do with changing the formula of the Doctor / Companion Dynamics.
True story, the true focus of the show is on the companions of the Doctor, not the Doctor.
The whole idea of the show was space travel through the eyes of the companion, so that audiences could have someone to identify with.
The formula is to have this alien character to take attractive female companions with him.
That completely changes with a female doctor.
Having pushback at the news of a female doctor is one thing.
However the real reason why the show suffered in the ratings was because the writing and the performances were terrible.
It was because Chris Chibnall took over as executive and he never cared about the continuity of the the show. He turned the show into Doctor Who the Hell is This?
The writing suffered so Chibnall tried to bring back characters to get nostalgic points but those characters continuity were scrapped.
He even brought back a character who should not have able to comeback while not even trying to explain how said character overcame a fate that became a fixed point in time.
Maybe let them get to that era and decide what they think for themselves?
@@HuntingViolets i provided context and clarification, without spoiling anything.
I haven't seen anyone catch the last part of my statement before.
@@HuntingViolets and besides, they won't read the comment because i wrote possible spoiler.
@@francisgilbert6982 I missed that. Used to people putting it in caps and hitting enter a few more times so the comment isn't visible till after the Read More, I suppose.
@@HuntingViolets ok, there isn't any spoilers before the read more
Yeah i have to say i'm not the biggest fan of Series 4 Martha, apart from the one emotional scene where the Hath saves Martha sacrifices himself and drowns she didn't really do much in this episode i didn't see the point of her being in this episode.
Social media back in 2008 facebook was around but was the new at the time and bebo which no longer exists and someone correct me if i'm wrong i don't think twitter was around then either not until atleast the 2010's.
An idea for a female Doctor back in 2008 wasn't something the producers, writers or the fans considered too seriously the world wasn't yet ready for a female Doctor because it was assumed and insisted the Doctor was a male character though it nearly happened back in the 80's but it was an april fool's joke.
Ewwwwww! The Doctor married his own daughter! 😉
incest is best? lol but technically taken from his DNA so more a female clone? so thats just self love?
That's what they call acting.
This not one of my favourite episodes.
It is almost as if they took a concept of an idea and overstretched it.
This is the weakest episode of series 4.
While it isn't as bad as 'Fear Her', I put this episode in the same league as the former.
This is a very weak episode.
This is probably my least favorite episode of this season. And mostly because the sexual tension between David and Georgia was so thick that is made it impossible to believe she was playing his daughter.
There might have been sexual tension between David and Georgia but it's not showing in the episode, could possible be because they are, I don't know ....eurhm ... actors? You might pin point it in what scene, cause I've rewatched it (so many times) and not seeing it.
@@channyh.221B Yeah, I think sometimes knowing about an off-screen relationship (which by all accounts took a while to get going) affects how you see actors onscreen.
Martha is not a fighter, she is a doctor. Just because she was in UNIT does not mean she can fight. Come on dude