Elliott Blakemore He wasn't turning evil, he just acknowledged the truth about himself. He knew he was exceptional. But he also knew that didn't make him better. That's why he saved Wilf over himself.
@@Ranger1812 Ironically, it's a realization like that which truly made him exceptional. Anyone can be arrogant, vain, have a god complex. It takes someone special to admit- even with all that power- that they are equal to everyone else.
The incredible thing about David Tennant and Matt Smith is that they were known for being among the most fun-loving and friendly Doctors, yet could also be the most sinister.
I think they are the best ones, so powerful and deep, at the same time. Particulary, Matt Smith. One of my favourites scenes is when Rory went to a Cyberman Crusader to get his baby back, dressed as a knight, and the Cybermans ask him why they should fear him, then he says they shouldn't, they should fear the doctor. After that, all the Cyberman's ships exploded in the sky. Matt Smith's Doctor seems the most happy and outgoing of them, but he wouldn't accept any more losses, he would burn all the skies in order to avoid that. Sadly, this was far from being enough
I saw 11 as rather intimidating when he was angry. But that paled when 10 started slipping. He wasn’t intimidating, he was utterly terrifying. That wire thin line into becoming a monster.
The entire Waters of Mars episode was really _really_ dark. It is one of the most memorable ones, that I still vividly remember 4 years since I’ve seen any episode.
schoolterrorist damn that sucks. No one really talked about it when I was in school. At least that I remember but my memory is shot so I don’t really know.
The 10th doctor went through the most pain. All his companions left him, travelling alone with no one to help him hold on to his humanity, he does some pretty messed up things to inflict pain back on those that hurt him. (The Fury of the Time Lord)
@@kamolpriya he was distancing himself from what had hurt him previously. all of his companions was either lost in another dimension, had forgotten him or left him. 11 even said to Amy that when he looks at a star he can't see anything but burning, but when Amy sees it, he sees it too. though he was the most alien, he regained a lot of humanity by the end of the Ponds, though that was kinda put on hold when Clara arrived and would later be seen again towards the end of 11
Rishiraj Bhowmick 11 just had tons of guilt for his entire existence, though he still had fun. 10 remembers, regrets everything, with that dark side. 12 was just dark, nothing playful, just dark. The 13th is just- She has no personality.
@@cityguard4847 I really thought this most recent season, they were going somewhere with 13. Like very occasionally she would do something like raise her voice and I was like 'oh yeah here it comes' and then it would just fizzle out. I'm absolutely furious about it, why won't they let her show anger??!?!
Eden Sanden showing the doctors anger is one way to go, but it’s certainly not the only way. We’ve had four in a row who all had pretty palpable rage, I don’t want that to be the new normal. I don’t think the Chibnall era is excellent so far, but I think it’s mostly pretty good. And after Matt Smith was given about forty repetitive “badass” angry speeches I welcome the change. The doctor’s personality is supposed to be different, that’s the nature of regeneration. I feel like everyone is really upset that 13 isn’t following all the exact same beats as 10, 11 and 12
The Doctor having his darker moments is what makes Doctor Who so great for me. Makes the character more nuanced instead of being a straight up good hero.
Thirteens dark moments: Almost never happen cause her characters expressed via her tardis fam Dont get a chance to be expressed because she's never defeated and or in a hopeless situation (apart from the timeless child, which doesnt really count because she was trapped for like ten minutes) Are just fucking weak because she never has any long speeches, and any talk she does have simply isnt as impactful as anything any of the other four docters before her produced.
@@Lauren-pq3qx tbh I thought it got slightly dark when that queen was asking her about dead planets, but it definitely would be nice to see some darker moments from her, I will say I did like the whole revenge against Tim Shaw thing though it kinda showed the doctors effect on companions
@@Lauren-pq3qx The issue with the 13th Doctor was that the writers wanted to move on from the "You'd be a good Dalek", that 9 through 12 had. That is what 12th final speech was for. He literally told his future self that "Hatred is foolish and love is always wise." and to "Never be cruel, never be cowardly" what were the key aspects of the darkness those 4 Doctors had. With that speech the writers made the cut and making just another "Doctor of War" like the glass called it would throw this entire scene out of the window. The writers, each and every single one of them, still screwed up writing Jodie a good script on that premise, but the direction made absolut sence.
@@Lauren-pq3qx i feel as though that it was the writing that let 13 down, not Jodie. She’s an incredible actress and she plays the doctor very well, the only issue with the 13th doctor is the writing. I do hope it improves next season
The fact that we got a confirmed suicide in that episode _because_ The Doctor put himself first was very dark ;-; Then again, A Town Called Mercy was great too in my opinion, when The Doctor almost killed someone out of spite.
@@jackofalltrades6718 you COULD argue the point THAT character commited war crimes and the doctors action were justified! but by the time we got to 11th HE commited genocide at least twice, and was to do it again on his change, our doctor is FAAAAAAR from innocent!
Actually it wasn’t the first time. At the very beginning of the show, the first doctor was a selfish and cowardly bastard who in his first episode kidnapped two schoolteachers out of fear, considered killing a caveman with a rock just because he was slowing them down, and then pretended that the TARDIS was broken just so that he and his companions could go and explore the potentially dangerous city which turned out to be where the Daleks were living. But over the course of season 1 he slowly softened up and by season 2 he was much more like the Doctor we now know and love.
The 10th Doctor showed us that his companions are the key thing that humanizes him. His solo episodes, particularily The Waters Of Mars, shows us who he his without others.
oh please, he had spent the time between "Runaway Bride" and first episode of S3, alone in the Tardis. same happened in between first episode of S4 and 2007 special. not to mention being The Master's prisoner for an entire year. the time you're talking about which is by the way, brief, was when he just chose to be alone after so many losses and having his heart being broken over and over
I think any Doctor could have been a great Master. It’s only a thin line before the Doctor becomes his best friend. Imagine 11, but evil. That childish demeanor becomes sick. Or 12 his complete sociopath moments stop being funny when he’s genuinely trying to kill everyone
Doctors like Chris and Tennant always had this raging presence about them, then you've got doctors like Sylvester, Matt and Capaldi who could just switch between being kind hearted and crap your pants scary
tbh i've felt David be the more Crap your pants scary than the others. Like 10 is extremely cheery and lovely and kind but when he gets dark, he gets DARK
and they learnt from the original, 2nd! 7th was the darkest of all the doctors, but dont believe any of the others were innocent, they were far from it!
I would have included the time he let/made an entire race die because the matriarch couldn’t remember the name of one of the girls she killed. (Vampires in Venice)
For me that's the darkest 11th doctor moment. Everything about the episode felt uneasy with the 11th doctor because anger didn't fit his character yet Matt Smith played it very well.
@@nivaneh1010 yeah it is weird to me as well. Matt is my favourite doctor, yet all that anger felt kind of weird for a doctor, but it was just so well acted and written that it just worked.
We saw 11’s darkness more often than 10’s But somehow when 10 lost his temper you feel he’s capable of anything. He could easily be a villain. 11’s darkness to me was more akin to an angry parent. It was effective, but I knew he’d never cross the line. It feels like 10 is clinging onto the line with his fingernails.
9’s anger felt very visceral, cuz this was the doctor fresh out of the time war. He has severe PTSD and regrets like a war veteran would. He’s a good man, just badly traumatized
To me, Smith gave off the vibe that 11 had crossed some terrible line, but wished to never cross it again, and so wished to convince everyone that they do NOT want him to cross the line either. (IE- Good men have no rules, you do not want to find out why I have so many”).
@@aliahpersonous2893 I would agree with this when 10 is holding the gun after his daughter is shot and says I never would then fast forward to him pointing the loaded gun at the master and Rasalon then go forwards to 11 in the Wild West episode holding the gun against the guys head then cocks the gun and says I genuinely don’t know. 10 had his rage and fury but 11 had his rage and almost resentment of himself which you can see carries over to 12 even when he asks at the end of his first season to Clara am I a good man. 10 clings to the line slightly crosses it 11 still clinging to the line but wary of crossing it although at points he almost wants to and resents that feeling 12 confused and withdrawing from the line but not sure where on the line he is until after his first season where he stays mostly back from the line and cautions others to do the same but reserves his rage for those who don’t heed his warning (Zygon invasion/ revolution speech)
"Brother of Mine" isn't saying that The Doctor never in his existence raised his voice. It was just in that one story when he punished the Family Of Blood, he never yelled *at them.* He spoke calmly even in his wrath. It made their punishment all the more unsettling to him because The Doctor was completely temperate,
Moffat and Davies really knew how to make the Doctors sounds dark ESPECIALLY Davies. 10's slow decent into a complete god complex is still one of my favourite things to watch from the series.
10th was really dark. He was still recovering from him being “The Warrior” and then Rose happened, his hope into becoming a better men, and he lost her. That broke him, made him realize he could not save everyone (She didn’t die, of course, but she got lost in a different dimension) he went through such a hard time after that, you can see it. But then Martha came, she may have not relieve him from his pain, but she helped him with her friendship and her support. But then, Donna came into the picture, she not only made him snapped out of his bullshit angsty pity party (I know he was suffering, but still lol) and helped him become the man he was supposed to be, the man he knew he would become with Rose, the man Martha was hoping and reaching for, the man that The Doctor himself wanted to be...he was underbaked, and Donna, in Pompei, gave him a choice: because being “that man” is a choice. That is why when 12th appeared, as a warrior more than the Doctor that 9th was scared of, 10th build up and 11th almost got; that broke him again (and Clara missing 11th was the clue), he was lost until he remembered...his face, his face came from that moment in Pompei when Donna helped him make his choice of being the man he was meant to be. And he remembered, his own self gave him a post-it note on “What the Doctor is” as a new face. The face of hope.
Marithé Tuyub See, and that’s the problem with the 13th doctor. She isn’t dark. She’s just a happy, fluffy puppy dog. We need the doctor, the time lord who has been sacred, the one who needs to be told when to stop, the one whose life is barely worth living.
I think that the ultimate reason the Master is(or rather continues to be) evil is not because of drums, the Eternal Death, or anything like that. I think it's because he doesn't have companions, because we all know how he and the Doctor are alike and the Doctor starts acting like the Master without a companion to ground him
9: war hardened and just wants to help people, but ends up realizing he's just as bad as his enemies. 10: slowly goes mad from the amount of people he's lost. Dies saving Wilf 11: Admits he's mad, puts all his efforts into making his friends happy because he knows when they leave he'll stop being the hero he is 12: questions whether he's ever actually been good. But goodness is relative, so he justifies his anger over his losses. 13: ????
It's really unfortunate when you put it like that. :/ There's no complexity or conflict at all in 13. It's like they forgot that the Doctor's light-hearted quirkiness is a FACADE. There's always been a lot of darkness underneath. Where did all of that go?
@@madelinebell5046 in the most recent episode (the tesla one) they let Jodie do a bit of the darker doctor stuff and it was great, shes a great doctor with aweful writers
10 did a really good job of slowly coming to terms with his own death. He went through the stages of denying the destiny laid out for him, trying to become the cheater of time he could always become, but slowly coming to terms with his inevitable death.
That Cassandra death scene is underrated. The way he says 'everything has its time and everything dies ' is why Chris Eccleston is my favourite and its a great way to introduce his more vengeful personality
He was pretty good. He's one of the few individual Daleks to have an actual character. I really want the Emperor Dalek to come back and lead his children once again.
but the 10th incarnation was only 6 years old. The others lived for decades or centuries, war managed 800 years without going mad, 9th over 100, but 10 went mad in six? Really?
@@julieeverett7442 - Lost Rose, almost completely soured his relationship with Martha by nearly ruining her life, and lost Donna, all in the span of three years (four if you count the year he had to undo the Master's damage) and in brutal fashions. Yeah.
@@nikorobinson317 i was scaredof daleks as a kid now i think how could they be scary with only one eye an egg beater and a toilet plunger and originally they could nt go upstairs
The Doctor: "If you think because she is dead that I am weak, then you understand very little. If you had anything to do with killing her, and you're not afraid, then you understand nothing at all. So for your own sake, understand this: I am The Doctor. I'm coming to find you. And I will never, ever stop." The man said this line for *4.6 BILLION YEARS.*
@Coconut Pal Clara. It was in one of the most captivating Doctor Who episodes ever: Heaven Sent. I won't give the game away so I don't give spoilers, but suffice it to say the Clara's death was in the previous episode, which this one follows.
“I’ve gone too far.” That really hits you. The Doctor has all this power but restrains his/her self to not miss use it. But in that moment the doctor realized that he had gone to far.
This is why The Doctor needs his companions, especially Ten. Like Donna once said “Sometimes he needs someone to stop him.” I think perhaps his loneliness changes into arrogance and rage.
9th Doctor had his moments from going to kind to crazy 10th Doctor slowly turned into a anti-hero after losing so many people 11th Doctor turned from a goof ball to a more serious threat to every enemy after Amy died (He had his moments where he was goofy but it was less prominent) 12th Doctor was cold and calculated, he slowly lost his mind after Clara died
I loved it when Tennant said he controls the laws of times and all of that stuff. just wish they would actually do that in the show and that the Doctor would actually break the laws of time.
They were so close with the timelord victorious stuff, they coudlve carried on the xmas special with him in full swing finally turning into the Valeyard.
I always found 11's darker moments the more impactful for them being so unusual compared to his general happy demeanor. Also, it was quite frequently done in a more subtle way, and i think sometimes the better for it, than others.
@Winter Wren Yeah, you're really wrapped up in the moment, and then it kinda hits you. Similar to with General Runaway, when the Doctor is both angry and in control, he can be terrifying. Like he said, good men don't have so many rules.
11 was dark sometimes but it was more intimidating 10 was absolutely terrifying because yes his rage and anger slipped out every once in awhile but during the 3rd season and the 4th season you can see him just slipping away. The 10th doctor is the most emotionally and mentally unstable doctor. Like most of the episodes is him just trying not to breakdown.
Nothing from Peter? Or the time when the Doctor slammed the door on Amy! Leaving her to die alone, after waiting years to be saved!? After forcing Rory to decide!
I feel like, while Peter definitely had his darker moments he was the doctor who would finally remembered that the Doctor was a symbol of hope and that he has to live up to the reputation he has built.
@@perkele2040 I would have included his threat to Me, to save Clara or else he'd destroy everything she'd worked for. That is the Doctor breaking down and becoming closer to The Master than ever before. "GIVE ME WHAT I WANT!" Is what the Doctor is screaming. That, and the Zygon Inversion, the speech about understanding. "AND WHEN I CLOSE MY EYES!! I hear more screams than you could ever imagine..." Both are incredibly dark moments for Capaldi's Doctor.
Chinball needs to watch this, he isn't writing 1200 years of emotion into Jodie's incarnation and it's what is killing the show. He wouldn't know a story arc if it traveled back in time and punched him in his baby chinball face.
I have nothing against Jodie, it’s the shitty writing that makes her incarnation not so tolerable. I’ve watched Broadchurch so she can definitely do dark and nuanced, the writers just need to give it to her!!!! She’d do a really good job I think
Nothing’s darker than “Yes you can, and you will, or I will expose this tiny little street to the whole laughing world. l’ll bring UNIT, I’ll bring Zygons. Give me a minute, I’ll bring Daleks and the Cybermen. You will save Clara Oswald or I’ll rain the hell on you for the rest of your life.” “The Doctor is not here, you are stuck with me! I will end you, and everything you love.”
"I was lost a long time ago. [She wasn't saving me,] she was saving _you._ I'll do my best, but I strongly advise you keep out of my way. _You'll find it's a very small universe when I'm angry with you."_
I love the moments of the show where they let the Doctor's PTSD, they show the reasoning behind how he acts and why he's so merciless in some aspects. And yet why he's so forgiving in others. His life, mind and mind has been ruined by what he's done, what he became.
I have a theory that the Doctor has almost a faith or belief in cosmic universal fate. He mentions multiple times that he gets no reward from the universe for what he does, that it only get's darker the more he saves it, the more he saves the more it needs saving. I feel like he believes that he's at odds with the universe, that it's a controlling force against him all the time
That scene is the only thing that made that episode great. The tremble in Smith's voice really sells it too. That speech will probably always make me tear up.
Jenny Cull I agree but the writing is bad but 13 is missing the darkness that can make the doctor so...fantastic without it she can never truly be the doctor to me.It is what really enforced how the doctor is not a hero as he repeatedly says he is just a madman with a box . So in conclusion the doctor can never be the doctor without the anger and sadness and that is why 13 is so poorly received
That line in a town called mercy: all the people died because of my mercy I really liked that part too, simple line but powerful, in total 11's anger made me frightened the most
I miss 12th Doctor's "The Doctor is no longer here, you are stuck with me!" as this really sent the Chills up and down my Spin. but it's good as it is :D
The Doctor throws Kahler-Jex out of Mercy, grabs a gun, cocks the trigger and points it at him Kahler-Jex: You wouldn't... The Doctor: I genuinely don't know
Not including the part in 42 when he told Martha he was scared? I'd never seen him do that before- he'd *been* scared before, but he'd never admitted it like that
4:36 “They all died. Do you know who that leaves? ME! It’s taken me all these years to realize the laws of time are mine. And they will OBEY ME.” I think this quote is a reflection of his desperation. He talks of how he knows the laws of life and how everyone must die. How he is the last one. He is the exception. He is trying to regain some control over the passage of time. He says he has acceptance but he uses his pain and power to constantly save people. It kills him every time he can’t. Constantly asking why they have to die, and why he doesn’t.
3:50 “Everything had its time and everything dies.” I think that quote is so telling because he will NEVER die. He can NEVER die. And he knows it. He’s watched so many people and friends and enemies die that he’s accepted it. And for all he can he can never die. Even though he knows it SHOULD be life’s path.
"The good things don't always soften the bad things, but vice-versa, the bad things don't necessarily spoil the good things and make them unimportant,"
Bart Allen who you are is who you fall as... without context you see a lot of darkness, but that darkness is of a very very broken individual who still...never would.
this is where you are reminded this IS the man who fought in the time war, and honestly believed he wiped out his own race, the darkness, the mass murderer is STILL there, its tempered but in no way has it gone away!
The end of The Waters of Mars was so good, you could tell he was filled with pure rage, I really think we need more of that Doctor. Viewers need to be reminded that The Doctor isn't just any old person with a box like the 13th Doctor has become. Viewers need to be reminded that he is man to be feared, he is a Time Lord with a TARDIS and could easily use the TARDIS to wipe out all existence in the universe if he wanted.
Second Sense what you said there really proves that a female doctor isn’t ideal. An angry male is far more scarier than a boring female alongside a writer (Chibnall) that has completely changed Doctor Who in the worst of ways. Not even Russell could fix this and it’s really disappointing isn’t it
I love the Tenth Doctor so much, but it's really surprising and scary how he can become so utterly terrifying and that's one of the things I like about him, because it reminds me of his past and who he is. Also, his wrath is impressive...
The waters of Mars was by far the darkest episode of Doctor who (in my opinion), if I didn't have so many childhood phobias generated from that, I would totally rewatch it
The line "The fury of the Time Lord" (& that entire scene, honestly) resonated with me pretty hard. Think about it a lot while watching the show. I live for moments like the ones shown in the video, ones where the Doctor gives up on being kind and shows why people should be scared of him (this is also why I *really* didn't like Clara w/ the 12th Doctor as she made it damn near impossible for those types of situations to happen). The dude (originally) killed his entire race & its enemies by himself and can bring armies to their knees just by having a way with words. Lad's powerful and deserves mad respect.
I'm on the same boat. Whenever I think of the Doctor being truly formidable and exploiting the rules of the show, that scene and the later half of "The Waters of Mars" are always popping into my mind. I would've love to have seen that theme be put into an episode somehow. The Doctor being powerful and vengeful yet being completely calm and decisive. It would've been a joy to watch but it also might have gone too deep into darkness to maintain the qualities of the character.
If you can’t realise that David Tennant as doctor who has the most substance, is the best doctor since 2005, and is the most passionate actor for the role we can’t be friends.
The 11th was the darkest imo he hid behind a baby face and childish actions but when 11 was angry it felt like he would burn everything and anyone, and do unspeakable things. That why Matt is so underrated he made me actually fear the Doctor, and it fit very well with the natural regeneration progression Edit: The way he switched from childish to angry and then back again was the biggest thing
6:29 No matter how many times I'm reminded that the line is "Fear me. I've killed all of them." I always remember the line as "Fear me. I killed the rest."
Jodie deserves a better screenwriter. She's an amazing actress but her doctor is so shallow because Chibnall insists on writing bedtime stories rather than sci to scenarios that pushes the doctor to decide between hard moral choices
9 was a beast, still suffering PTSD from a war 10 thought he’d tackled his demons and didn’t realise the animal he could still become Whereas 11 knew and tried to contain it 12 made peace with and utilised it I’ve always loved this characters dark moments becuase he’s a hero but yet it feels like if he lost it we’d all be in deep shit
11 actually committed more crimes than 10 for your information. I don't call that being able to contain the animal, specially since he glossed over all of them
7:48 I'm still convinced that this moment was actually David Tennant being mad about how HE won't be The Doctor anymore, because #10 should know that he can still regenerate, so why is he so mad about not being able to do so much more?
To explain the in universe reason behind this understand that 10 already used a regeneration whilst keeping his face, and although he doesn't exist at this time the war doctor also used one of lives meaning this is his last regeneration until the time lords grant him a new set of regenerations.
I think when the 11th Doctor got angry and became all dark and sinister it was the scariest because he was overall so loving and childish and it contrasted greatly with his normal behaviour.
2:10 “just ME” That quote killed me. I think this is a reflection of him realizing that one day it will be just him. No friends, no timelords, not even any enemies. Just him. Alone forever.
Who else thinks that the speech at Akaten is so emotional because he is basically living through all of his life’s all the highs all the lows and especially when he "killed" all the Timelords
Kinda sad you didn't include the bit after the "Colonel Runaway" speech about good men not needing rules. That was the darkest bits of his from that episode. Also the bit from the 50th anniversary where 10 and 11 go at it in the dungeon. That's a hell of a moment as well.
Love the irony of Devros trying to psycho-babble The Doctor by trying the "we're not so different you and I" speech. Dude, you created a race with the express purpose of killing existence down to a submolecular level, while your antagonist has been solo'ing your entire engineered species of talking wartanks for centuries. One initiated the hostile action, the other one's trying to stop it. Like saying that a parent who kills their child's murderer is as bad as the child murderer himself because they both killed.
That’s the thing. You take away the circumstances and they have similar traits. Especially to Davros’ warped view. Genius intellect Committed atrocities Created weapons/soldiers out of people. Possibly mad.
That scene is a lot darker than you give it credit, I think. Look at it as if Davros and the daleks are lawful evil. They follow a code or belief structure, even if its "kill everything that isn't dalek." They're predictable, and the audience can accept their motivations even if they don't agree. The Children of Time (as Davros refers to the Doctor's current/past companions) are mostly neutral/chaotic good. They have the potential to do anything regardless of rules, and they'll often ignore personal morals if they believe it to be the right choice. They sometimes make these choices regardless of consequences, even when the end result will end in deaths. Even their fellow companions can't see how dangerous that mindset is, shown in how Rose cheered on the others laying traps while she/Ten were captive. Because the companions can't be easily predicted, and because they have free thought and will, the Doctor inadvertently created an army potentially more devastating than Davros's daleks. And that is the legacy that Davros wanted the Doctor to see.
@jager64xxx xxxpanzer With the exception that the Daleks have consistently, repeatedly and remorselessly tried to eradicate EXISTENCE ITSELF. Trying to liken an omnicidal, hateful, xenophobic, genetically psychopathic (no, really, they are), not to mention FICTIONAL, to the cultures the westerners found frankly says more about you than anything else. And to expand; The Doctor makes mistakes, he KNOWS he makes mistakes. However, his 'moral ground' is significantly enhanced considering that the Daleks have not once tried to not kill every other being they came across, with their sole exception trying to change that because he was infected (his own words btw) with human genes -and he got promptly killed for it. If the Daleks had, even once in their thousands of years of in-universe existence tried to coexit, you might have had a point there, but they never did. Frankly, eradicating the Daleks isn't 'genocide' so much as putting a rabid dog down. So, yeah, sorry, but the Doctor isn't a hypocrite, he's just faced with the issue "if the Daleks live, inevitably, they will at some point succeed at destroying all of existence". He's not going out there picking fights; he's trying to keep them from fighting (and killing) EVERYTHING ELSE.
In classic DW, it was incredibly rare for the Doctor to travel alone. So it was interesting to explore that side of the Doctor, what happens when he's alone. Ten of course experienced this the most and he was still basically dealing with the Time War. He lost three companions fairly close together and he also had some of the most complicated relationships with his companions as well. Added to that he was incredibly vain. Brilliant and he knew it. He had to be stopped.
stopped at what? you people only consider one action of him as evil which may or may not have had negative effects and still it was nothing compared to some crimes which doctors before and after him did and you gloss over them
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10s overall character arc of gently going insane is really potent
"gently going insane" is possibly one of my favourite things i've read today
Elliott Blakemore He wasn't turning evil, he just acknowledged the truth about himself. He knew he was exceptional. But he also knew that didn't make him better. That's why he saved Wilf over himself.
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Ironically, it's a realization like that which truly made him exceptional. Anyone can be arrogant, vain, have a god complex. It takes someone special to admit- even with all that power- that they are equal to everyone else.
Tracer "It is not our abilities that make us who we are. It is our choices." - Albus Dumbledore
10 is completely different to 9
The incredible thing about David Tennant and Matt Smith is that they were known for being among the most fun-loving and friendly Doctors, yet could also be the most sinister.
I think they are the best ones, so powerful and deep, at the same time. Particulary, Matt Smith. One of my favourites scenes is when Rory went to a Cyberman Crusader to get his baby back, dressed as a knight, and the Cybermans ask him why they should fear him, then he says they shouldn't, they should fear the doctor. After that, all the Cyberman's ships exploded in the sky. Matt Smith's Doctor seems the most happy and outgoing of them, but he wouldn't accept any more losses, he would burn all the skies in order to avoid that. Sadly, this was far from being enough
sinister yes but after seeing capaldi go dark i think it is no competition, Jodie is showing some of it too
@@dudeyouresick4281 That's not excactly how the scene played out.
@@ThePhantomLK O.o Would you like me to repeat the question?
Weirdly they both now have played some type of psycopath in other movies and series 🙃
The 10th Doctor was slowly turning into a villain and he chose to die still a hero
Perséy no way
Holy shit
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I wish this could have ran a longer course as a story arc for one more season as the 10th.
The Professor I think that’s why he regenerated into Matt smiths “hero” dr
For me his darkest was when he sounded like The Master:
" Laws of Time are mine! AND THEY WILL OBEY ME!!!"
never thought of that, til now.
Tenshi Kuroi yesss i love that line
that's why the master is the best oppenant of the doctor . Because he is what the doctor could become if he didn't have his compagnion
they are childhood friends
For me it was when he just said “Tough”, cuz like ... wow one word but it means so much
That line right there "you would make a good dalek" is provably the scariest line cause hes running from that truth
So true
@schoolterrorist when capaldi is in rusty i think.
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After he gets out actually.
He says “I am not a good Dalek. *You* are a good Dalek.”
@schoolterrorist Yeah, right up there with "This is not war, this is PEST CONTROL!" that makes me chuckle every time i watch that scene
@Ututwhynot oddly enough, could you even blame the Daleks? They were created by a madman. If anything, I would blame Davros.
Fear me, I've killed hundreds of Time Lord's.
Doctor: Fear me, I've killed them all
What episode was that
@@Zak-ob5ze the one where the Tardis turned into a woman
The Doctor's Wife
@@Zak-ob5ze season 6 episode 4 - the doctors wife
The power of that comment. No shouting doctor just the non chelant off hand comment about his greatest loss.
I saw 11 as rather intimidating when he was angry.
But that paled when 10 started slipping. He wasn’t intimidating, he was utterly terrifying. That wire thin line into becoming a monster.
10 only started slipping because rose died
Imagine if he returned as a Doctor from another timeline where he truly became the Timelord Victorious?
I Saw the horrorified eyes of vastra when she Saw an 11th angry, in dubbed versión that isnt visible.
At 4:50 I wanted to parrot Samwise Gamgee: "Can't you hear yourself? Don't you know who you sound like?"
@@Mr.Foxhat Wait...
The entire Waters of Mars episode was really _really_ dark. It is one of the most memorable ones, that I still vividly remember 4 years since I’ve seen any episode.
it scared me so much as a kid. the only dr. who thing which gave me more nightmares/bad dreams as a kid were the angels. they messed me up.
TheGamingAirCon same, it gave me many nightmares but i couldnt stop watching it, i was really scared of the weeping angles
The angels, water on Mars and the midnight entity scared the hell out of me
schoolterrorist damn that sucks. No one really talked about it when I was in school. At least that I remember but my memory is shot so I don’t really know.
I remembered Both water on mars and weeping angels as a young kid and dark episodes.
Doctor - “Okay dalek, defend yourself”
*beats dalek with massive spanner*
Dalek - “ You.. do not require tea?”
The fucken second I started to read this the doctor said okay dalek defend yourself that’s fucking creepy
Lol
We always require tea
ngl that one actually got me when i watched that episode
Honestly feels pretty sad...
The 10th doctor went through the most pain. All his companions left him, travelling alone with no one to help him hold on to his humanity, he does some pretty messed up things to inflict pain back on those that hurt him. (The Fury of the Time Lord)
One of his best moment:
The family had put the people of the town and John smith into so much pain.
The whole scene gave me chill.
Vortigan yep, he wasn’t running because he was scared, he was showing mercy
And so his humanity went -resulting in 11, the most alien he had ever been.
@@kamolpriya he was distancing himself from what had hurt him previously. all of his companions was either lost in another dimension, had forgotten him or left him.
11 even said to Amy that when he looks at a star he can't see anything but burning, but when Amy sees it, he sees it too. though he was the most alien, he regained a lot of humanity by the end of the Ponds, though that was kinda put on hold when Clara arrived and would later be seen again towards the end of 11
@@kamolpriya no the most inhuman of all the doctors was 4th, 11th is just behind him though
10th almost scared me..there was this visible darkness in his eyes when he was angry
Then comes 11's colonel runaway
Rishiraj Bhowmick that’s not fair it’s just one line
Rishiraj Bhowmick 11 just had tons of guilt for his entire existence, though he still had fun. 10 remembers, regrets everything, with that dark side. 12 was just dark, nothing playful, just dark. The 13th is just- She has no personality.
jager64xxx xxxpanzer yeah I agree. 13 has had nothing worthwhile honestly
@@cityguard4847 I really thought this most recent season, they were going somewhere with 13. Like very occasionally she would do something like raise her voice and I was like 'oh yeah here it comes' and then it would just fizzle out. I'm absolutely furious about it, why won't they let her show anger??!?!
Eden Sanden showing the doctors anger is one way to go, but it’s certainly not the only way. We’ve had four in a row who all had pretty palpable rage, I don’t want that to be the new normal. I don’t think the Chibnall era is excellent so far, but I think it’s mostly pretty good. And after Matt Smith was given about forty repetitive “badass” angry speeches I welcome the change. The doctor’s personality is supposed to be different, that’s the nature of regeneration. I feel like everyone is really upset that 13 isn’t following all the exact same beats as 10, 11 and 12
The Doctor having his darker moments is what makes Doctor Who so great for me. Makes the character more nuanced instead of being a straight up good hero.
Thirteens dark moments:
Almost never happen cause her characters expressed via her tardis fam
Dont get a chance to be expressed because she's never defeated and or in a hopeless situation (apart from the timeless child, which doesnt really count because she was trapped for like ten minutes)
Are just fucking weak because she never has any long speeches, and any talk she does have simply isnt as impactful as anything any of the other four docters before her produced.
@@Lauren-pq3qx tbh I thought it got slightly dark when that queen was asking her about dead planets, but it definitely would be nice to see some darker moments from her, I will say I did like the whole revenge against Tim Shaw thing though it kinda showed the doctors effect on companions
@@Lauren-pq3qx The issue with the 13th Doctor was that the writers wanted to move on from the "You'd be a good Dalek", that 9 through 12 had.
That is what 12th final speech was for. He literally told his future self that "Hatred is foolish and love is always wise." and to "Never be cruel, never be cowardly" what were the key aspects of the darkness those 4 Doctors had.
With that speech the writers made the cut and making just another "Doctor of War" like the glass called it would throw this entire scene out of the window.
The writers, each and every single one of them, still screwed up writing Jodie a good script on that premise, but the direction made absolut sence.
@@Lauren-pq3qx Didn’t get emotional? She definitely did, you could see it in her eyes at that moment and in other episodes as well.
@@Lauren-pq3qx i feel as though that it was the writing that let 13 down, not Jodie. She’s an incredible actress and she plays the doctor very well, the only issue with the 13th doctor is the writing. I do hope it improves next season
The Waters of Mars was the darkest episode ever. For the first time ever the Doctor was putting him self before anyone
The fact that we got a confirmed suicide in that episode _because_ The Doctor put himself first was very dark ;-; Then again, A Town Called Mercy was great too in my opinion, when The Doctor almost killed someone out of spite.
@@jackofalltrades6718 you COULD argue the point THAT character commited war crimes and the doctors action were justified! but by the time we got to 11th HE commited genocide at least twice, and was to do it again on his change, our doctor is FAAAAAAR from innocent!
Like I said 10 being the most human makes him selfish (in good and bad ways, 10 was and always will be the best doctor)
Actually it wasn’t the first time. At the very beginning of the show, the first doctor was a selfish and cowardly bastard who in his first episode kidnapped two schoolteachers out of fear, considered killing a caveman with a rock just because he was slowing them down, and then pretended that the TARDIS was broken just so that he and his companions could go and explore the potentially dangerous city which turned out to be where the Daleks were living.
But over the course of season 1 he slowly softened up and by season 2 he was much more like the Doctor we now know and love.
and it was the only time as well, which was also briefly and everyone villainize him for that short time
The 10th Doctor showed us that his companions are the key thing that humanizes him. His solo episodes, particularily The Waters Of Mars, shows us who he his without others.
He may look human, but to truly be human he needs a companion by his side
oh please, he had spent the time between "Runaway Bride" and first episode of S3, alone in the Tardis. same happened in between first episode of S4 and 2007 special. not to mention being The Master's prisoner for an entire year. the time you're talking about which is by the way, brief, was when he just chose to be alone after so many losses and having his heart being broken over and over
I think David Tennant would be just as a good master as he was a good doctor
TheAdequateBee yeah. he couldve made a very good villain
Killgrave lol
CHARLOTTE WATKINS i meant as the doctor. if youre talking villains played by david tennant, the first choice is obviously kilgrave
I think any Doctor could have been a great Master. It’s only a thin line before the Doctor becomes his best friend. Imagine 11, but evil. That childish demeanor becomes sick. Or 12 his complete sociopath moments stop being funny when he’s genuinely trying to kill everyone
@@vullord666 you want to see a truely DARK doctor go check out 7th! Where do you think the inspiration for 11ths darkness comes from!!!
Doctors like Chris and Tennant always had this raging presence about them, then you've got doctors like Sylvester, Matt and Capaldi who could just switch between being kind hearted and crap your pants scary
tbh i've felt David be the more Crap your pants scary than the others. Like 10 is extremely cheery and lovely and kind but when he gets dark, he gets DARK
@@jennycull1061 not as much as the 7th
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and they learnt from the original, 2nd! 7th was the darkest of all the doctors, but dont believe any of the others were innocent, they were far from it!
@Winter Wren yes but when he lets rip you know it, but the modern doctor dont have anything on 2nd and 7th, and 5th was pretty dark at times too!
@Winter Wren no I mean 9-12
I would have included the time he let/made an entire race die because the matriarch couldn’t remember the name of one of the girls she killed. (Vampires in Venice)
For me that's the darkest 11th doctor moment. Everything about the episode felt uneasy with the 11th doctor because anger didn't fit his character yet Matt Smith played it very well.
Eliza Morgan-Snow I never got that episode. Why didn't the doctor just offer to take them to a new planet instead of killing them.
@@sceptile6375 because they hurt people he had begun to care for
@@nivaneh1010 yeah it is weird to me as well.
Matt is my favourite doctor, yet all that anger felt kind of weird for a doctor, but it was just so well acted and written that it just worked.
@@sceptile6375 he tried to get the woman to help him after the transformed girls died in the explosion he never wanted to die.
Eccelston was a damn good doctor if he didn’t have creative differences with BBC it would’ve been a great run … one would say fantastic
Emma Feustel that is a good point and I feel like that’s something I should’ve realized sooner
Emma Feustel ah… I see
From what I understood he felt he wasn't meant to be a funny actor. He wanted to be a serious actor and being the doctor didn't fit as being serious
FANTASTIC
@Sgt. Smiley Nobody really knows
We saw 11’s darkness more often than 10’s
But somehow when 10 lost his temper you feel he’s capable of anything. He could easily be a villain.
11’s darkness to me was more akin to an angry parent. It was effective, but I knew he’d never cross the line.
It feels like 10 is clinging onto the line with his fingernails.
9’s anger felt very visceral, cuz this was the doctor fresh out of the time war. He has severe PTSD and regrets like a war veteran would. He’s a good man, just badly traumatized
11 had sorrow and guilt but 10 had guilt and rage
To me, Smith gave off the vibe that 11 had crossed some terrible line, but wished to never cross it again, and so wished to convince everyone that they do NOT want him to cross the line either.
(IE- Good men have no rules, you do not want to find out why I have so many”).
To note, I feel like 11 also toed the line as much as 10 too.
@@aliahpersonous2893 I would agree with this when 10 is holding the gun after his daughter is shot and says I never would then fast forward to him pointing the loaded gun at the master and Rasalon then go forwards to 11 in the Wild West episode holding the gun against the guys head then cocks the gun and says I genuinely don’t know.
10 had his rage and fury but 11 had his rage and almost resentment of himself which you can see carries over to 12 even when he asks at the end of his first season to Clara am I a good man.
10 clings to the line slightly crosses it 11 still clinging to the line but wary of crossing it although at points he almost wants to and resents that feeling 12 confused and withdrawing from the line but not sure where on the line he is until after his first season where he stays mostly back from the line and cautions others to do the same but reserves his rage for those who don’t heed his warning (Zygon invasion/ revolution speech)
"The doctor never raises his voice"
10: "AND I'M GONNA WIN!!!!!"
never raised*
We forgetting te time he shouted "I'm not listening"
"Brother of Mine" isn't saying that The Doctor never in his existence raised his voice.
It was just in that one story when he punished the Family Of Blood, he never yelled *at them.* He spoke calmly even in his wrath. It made their punishment all the more unsettling to him because The Doctor was completely temperate,
@@Echognomics101 it's a joke
@@sin_trashvods3948
Joke doesn't work when the quote is wrong.
Moffat and Davies really knew how to make the Doctors sounds dark ESPECIALLY Davies. 10's slow decent into a complete god complex is still one of my favourite things to watch from the series.
Ten was really close to a psychotic break toward the end.
To be honest, Ten scared me in the end and especially in the specials
the time Lord victorious arc makes me really fucking terrified of him ngl
10th was really dark. He was still recovering from him being “The Warrior” and then Rose happened, his hope into becoming a better men, and he lost her. That broke him, made him realize he could not save everyone (She didn’t die, of course, but she got lost in a different dimension) he went through such a hard time after that, you can see it. But then Martha came, she may have not relieve him from his pain, but she helped him with her friendship and her support. But then, Donna came into the picture, she not only made him snapped out of his bullshit angsty pity party (I know he was suffering, but still lol) and helped him become the man he was supposed to be, the man he knew he would become with Rose, the man Martha was hoping and reaching for, the man that The Doctor himself wanted to be...he was underbaked, and Donna, in Pompei, gave him a choice: because being “that man” is a choice. That is why when 12th appeared, as a warrior more than the Doctor that 9th was scared of, 10th build up and 11th almost got; that broke him again (and Clara missing 11th was the clue), he was lost until he remembered...his face, his face came from that moment in Pompei when Donna helped him make his choice of being the man he was meant to be. And he remembered, his own self gave him a post-it note on “What the Doctor is” as a new face. The face of hope.
This is legitimately powerful
Martha gave him a reality check.
Donna gave him his fun back.
Man! My guy wrote an entire essay!
Marithé Tuyub See, and that’s the problem with the 13th doctor. She isn’t dark. She’s just a happy, fluffy puppy dog. We need the doctor, the time lord who has been sacred, the one who needs to be told when to stop, the one whose life is barely worth living.
Bruh it took me two minutes to read it
He couldn’t put Capaldi on here because the video would’ve been 30 minutes long
Begins guitar solo
hahahahha
Yeah, but Capaldi needs to be here too
Honestly mood
Only 30 minutes?
I think that the ultimate reason the Master is(or rather continues to be) evil is not because of drums, the Eternal Death, or anything like that. I think it's because he doesn't have companions, because we all know how he and the Doctor are alike and the Doctor starts acting like the Master without a companion to ground him
that is so true. like donna says, he needs someone to make him stop
Jenny Cull Is the Master the Doctor’s brother?
@@jamiethomas3768 no. Friend
Jenny Cull childhood friend. The Doc and Master being bro’s was a theory.
@@jamiethomas3768 yea dude i know
"fear me I've killed hundreds of timelords" "Fear me I've killed all of them" sounds like itachi
Like who?
@@biteme4322 Naruto character
😂 I love this comment, never made the connection before
@@obeisms2627 yeah makes sense because they both killed their "clan" for the good
King Megalodon Crispin Freeman!
9: war hardened and just wants to help people, but ends up realizing he's just as bad as his enemies.
10: slowly goes mad from the amount of people he's lost. Dies saving Wilf
11: Admits he's mad, puts all his efforts into making his friends happy because he knows when they leave he'll stop being the hero he is
12: questions whether he's ever actually been good. But goodness is relative, so he justifies his anger over his losses.
13: ????
It's really unfortunate when you put it like that. :/ There's no complexity or conflict at all in 13. It's like they forgot that the Doctor's light-hearted quirkiness is a FACADE. There's always been a lot of darkness underneath. Where did all of that go?
9 isn't naive , he knows how what he does affects people that is why he did not want companions
1: Old Professor type kind of detached from the world, but he's a cool dude
@@madelinebell5046 in the most recent episode (the tesla one) they let Jodie do a bit of the darker doctor stuff and it was great, shes a great doctor with aweful writers
13: gives life lessons every episode instead of being an actually decent series.
10 did a really good job of slowly coming to terms with his own death. He went through the stages of denying the destiny laid out for him, trying to become the cheater of time he could always become, but slowly coming to terms with his inevitable death.
11 did the same thing, only off screen
when the 9th Doctor happily tortured the Dalek, that's when I knew The Doctor is more than a quirky time travelling alien.
That Cassandra death scene is underrated. The way he says 'everything has its time and everything dies ' is why Chris Eccleston is my favourite and its a great way to introduce his more vengeful personality
Not a massive fan of the 'New Earth' episode but I did love the ending.
Wasn't that the first episode of NuWho?
@@johndododoe1411 second after Rose.
Am I the only one who really liked the Dalek Emperor as a villain? He may have been narcissistic, but he was wise though it.
he was nutso... not that wise.
He was pretty good. He's one of the few individual Daleks to have an actual character.
I really want the Emperor Dalek to come back and lead his children once again.
His God complex wasn’t the most interesting part. His ability to judge the Doctor and call him out was.
@@rustkarl i mean one god to another
@@rustkarl I would like that more if it wasn't repeated basically every season lol. I loved his whole religious thing going on
"I've lived too long" was really true in the sense that if he had lived longer he may have become a villain. He died to remain a hero
but the 10th incarnation was only 6 years old. The others lived for decades or centuries, war managed 800 years without going mad, 9th over 100, but 10 went mad in six? Really?
@@julieeverett7442 - Lost Rose, almost completely soured his relationship with Martha by nearly ruining her life, and lost Donna, all in the span of three years (four if you count the year he had to undo the Master's damage) and in brutal fashions.
Yeah.
And in all those six years, he really made it count didn’t he…
"The Timelord victorious is wrong."
What an epic line.
Adelaide looked a god in the eyes and told him to fuck off without even blinking
"Tough."
Who knew one word could be so terrifying.
Just what the Master said at the end of Utopia, before murdering billions
the tenth doctor spends a lot of time clenching his teeth
For some unknown reason just about every David Tennant character does
@@upyoursdotcom and Daisy Ridley
He might have bruxism. It’s the tendency to grit your teeth a lot and grind them. I do this at night.
bookwoman53 i had this most of my childhood, my teeth are messed up now lol
@@spookyspoon4192 i more meant when he's frustrated in character he grits his teeth
In that first clip I just realized that daleks are one of the most powerful beings in the universe yet still cannot turn their head 180 degrees.
Something that powerful and can’t do a 180. Should we be keeping a closer eye on owls? 👀
@@nikorobinson317 i was scaredof daleks as a kid now i think how could they be scary with only one eye an egg beater and a toilet plunger and originally they could nt go upstairs
They can. It turns round 360° in doomsday I think or maybe Daleks in Manhattan
The Doctor: "If you think because she is dead that I am weak, then you understand very little. If you had anything to do with killing her, and you're not afraid, then you understand nothing at all. So for your own sake, understand this: I am The Doctor. I'm coming to find you. And I will never, ever stop."
The man said this line for *4.6 BILLION YEARS.*
If the Doctor starred in Taken.
Relationship goals? O.o
My favorite episode of all time
@Coconut Pal Clara. It was in one of the most captivating Doctor Who episodes ever: Heaven Sent.
I won't give the game away so I don't give spoilers, but suffice it to say the Clara's death was in the previous episode, which this one follows.
@@Songguy1985what if Liam Neeson's character in Taken was reincarnated into The Doctor.
“I’ve gone too far.” That really hits you. The Doctor has all this power but restrains his/her self to not miss use it. But in that moment the doctor realized that he had gone to far.
This is why The Doctor needs his companions, especially Ten. Like Donna once said “Sometimes he needs someone to stop him.” I think perhaps his loneliness changes into arrogance and rage.
9th Doctor had his moments from going to kind to crazy
10th Doctor slowly turned into a anti-hero after losing so many people
11th Doctor turned from a goof ball to a more serious threat to every enemy after Amy died (He had his moments where he was goofy but it was less prominent)
12th Doctor was cold and calculated, he slowly lost his mind after Clara died
I loved it when Tennant said he controls the laws of times and all of that stuff. just wish they would actually do that in the show and that the Doctor would actually break the laws of time.
They were so close with the timelord victorious stuff, they coudlve carried on the xmas special with him in full swing finally turning into the Valeyard.
I always found 11's darker moments the more impactful for them being so unusual compared to his general happy demeanor. Also, it was quite frequently done in a more subtle way, and i think sometimes the better for it, than others.
@Winter Wren Yeah, you're really wrapped up in the moment, and then it kinda hits you. Similar to with General Runaway, when the Doctor is both angry and in control, he can be terrifying. Like he said, good men don't have so many rules.
Don't you think she is tired?
When the tenth provoke Harriet Jones is dark too
And that was only his first episode
dont forget before that with the aliens "no seconds chances, that's the kind of man i am"
@@natalieybarra5207 omg yes
@@twiistedblox6253 the foreshadowing....
don't act like she didn't deserve it
11 was dark sometimes but it was more intimidating
10 was absolutely terrifying because yes his rage and anger slipped out every once in awhile but during the 3rd season and the 4th season you can see him just slipping away. The 10th doctor is the most emotionally and mentally unstable doctor. Like most of the episodes is him just trying not to breakdown.
Nothing from Peter? Or the time when the Doctor slammed the door on Amy! Leaving her to die alone, after waiting years to be saved!? After forcing Rory to decide!
I feel like, while Peter definitely had his darker moments he was the doctor who would finally remembered that the Doctor was a symbol of hope and that he has to live up to the reputation he has built.
@@perkele2040 I would have included his threat to Me, to save Clara or else he'd destroy everything she'd worked for. That is the Doctor breaking down and becoming closer to The Master than ever before. "GIVE ME WHAT I WANT!" Is what the Doctor is screaming. That, and the Zygon Inversion, the speech about understanding. "AND WHEN I CLOSE MY EYES!! I hear more screams than you could ever imagine..." Both are incredibly dark moments for Capaldi's Doctor.
im glad that everyone here doesnt mention that joke of a doctor, 13th.
@@mrSparkowsky Tbh I think Jodie is a great actress, but is unfortunately being given pretty terrible writing, mirrors what Colin Baker had actually
@@mrSparkowsky She doesn't had a dark moment yet, give her time ^^
Chinball needs to watch this, he isn't writing 1200 years of emotion into Jodie's incarnation and it's what is killing the show. He wouldn't know a story arc if it traveled back in time and punched him in his baby chinball face.
Preach
I’m pretty sure the doctor is way more that 1200 years old cause the 11th Doctor was 1203 when he “died” but I totally agree with you
I have nothing against Jodie, it’s the shitty writing that makes her incarnation not so tolerable. I’ve watched Broadchurch so she can definitely do dark and nuanced, the writers just need to give it to her!!!! She’d do a really good job I think
@@fifthdoctor oh my god exactly!!
He’s like 2000+ years old or more
Honestly, one of his darkest moments is that "Time Lord victorious" line from the Tenth Doctor.
Especially what happened afterwards.
Nothing’s darker than “Yes you can, and you will, or I will expose this tiny little street to the whole laughing world. l’ll bring UNIT, I’ll bring Zygons. Give me a minute, I’ll bring Daleks and the Cybermen. You will save Clara Oswald or I’ll rain the hell on you for the rest of your life.”
“The Doctor is not here, you are stuck with me! I will end you, and everything you love.”
@Winter Wren Twelfth Doctor’s Face the Raven in series 9
Idk the everything has its time like is insanely dark
He is SO scary in that scene!
Yes. The Valeyard rose very briefly, thankfully, in that moment.
"I was lost a long time ago. [She wasn't saving me,] she was saving _you._
I'll do my best, but I strongly advise you keep out of my way. _You'll find it's a very small universe when I'm angry with you."_
"Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many." -11th Doctor.
I love the moments of the show where they let the Doctor's PTSD, they show the reasoning behind how he acts and why he's so merciless in some aspects. And yet why he's so forgiving in others. His life, mind and mind has been ruined by what he's done, what he became.
I have a theory that the Doctor has almost a faith or belief in cosmic universal fate. He mentions multiple times that he gets no reward from the universe for what he does, that it only get's darker the more he saves it, the more he saves the more it needs saving. I feel like he believes that he's at odds with the universe, that it's a controlling force against him all the time
THE TAKE IT ALL SUN SPEACH ALWAYS MAKES ME CRY ALONG WITH THE ZYGON WAR ONE
That scene is the only thing that made that episode great. The tremble in Smith's voice really sells it too. That speech will probably always make me tear up.
@@Irrev77 Same!
That speech was just way amazing. It’s the one scene that I always keep going back to, the great tone of voice, the tear so AMAZING!!!!!!
What the current Doctor is painfully missing.
Dan Weeks amen
Jodie is playing her role well. Chibnall just sucks.
Jenny Cull I agree but the writing is bad but 13 is missing the darkness that can make the doctor so...fantastic without it she can never truly be the doctor to me.It is what really enforced how the doctor is not a hero as he repeatedly says he is just a madman with a box . So in conclusion the doctor can never be the doctor without the anger and sadness and that is why 13 is so poorly received
@@eldiablo786 most definitely. I agree with you.
Too true
That line in a town called mercy: all the people died because of my mercy
I really liked that part too, simple line but powerful, in total 11's anger made me frightened the most
7th doctor comes along "why do people forget I committed genocide on skaro among many things?"
in all serious though loved this good vid!
Exactly what I was thinking..... fans these days just completely disregard the classic series
@@minidwarfdude9230 himself? I mean depending on the incarceration
@@minidwarfdude9230 ?
@@justsome500yearoldwithsmug2 I think dwarfdude is mistaking genocide for suicide, and also being rude for no reason.
@@SyrenKindra ah...thanks for clearing that up!
I miss 12th Doctor's "The Doctor is no longer here, you are stuck with me!" as this really sent the Chills up and down my Spin.
but it's good as it is :D
Especially when you remember that the last time the Doctor was "not here" ended in the extermination of the two most powerful races in the universe.
11th: so how do you strive of the...
Rory: boredom?
11th:... self harm
Blank stares
We not gonna mention THAT dark moment...?
I don't recall that at all. Any idea which episode it is?
Boar Vessel, 600-500 B.C. , Etruscan Ceramic it was the one with the dream lord
It's called "Amy's Choice", episode 7 of Season 5
Amy*
i remember that line was played for laughs but it kinda rlly fucked w me i was like...bro...
"Fear me, i've killed hundreds of time lords"
"Fear me, i've killed all of them"
The Doctor throws Kahler-Jex out of Mercy, grabs a gun, cocks the trigger and points it at him
Kahler-Jex: You wouldn't...
The Doctor: I genuinely don't know
Not including the part in 42 when he told Martha he was scared? I'd never seen him do that before- he'd *been* scared before, but he'd never admitted it like that
That bit breaks my heart
The doctor was scared in planet of the spiders but put on a brave face and the 8th doctor was scared in chimes of midnight
I mean also consider Chibnal was behind 42
4:36
“They all died. Do you know who that leaves? ME! It’s taken me all these years to realize the laws of time are mine. And they will OBEY ME.”
I think this quote is a reflection of his desperation. He talks of how he knows the laws of life and how everyone must die. How he is the last one. He is the exception. He is trying to regain some control over the passage of time. He says he has acceptance but he uses his pain and power to constantly save people. It kills him every time he can’t. Constantly asking why they have to die, and why he doesn’t.
3:50
“Everything had its time and everything dies.”
I think that quote is so telling because he will NEVER die. He can NEVER die. And he knows it. He’s watched so many people and friends and enemies die that he’s accepted it. And for all he can he can never die. Even though he knows it SHOULD be life’s path.
I'll use this video to describe why Tennant is my favourite doctor
"The good things don't always soften the bad things, but vice-versa, the bad things don't necessarily spoil the good things and make them unimportant,"
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This is who the Doctor really is, i feel like he hides it. This is what seeps out when he starts to fall off the edge
Bart Allen who you are is who you fall as... without context you see a lot of darkness, but that darkness is of a very very broken individual who still...never would.
this is where you are reminded this IS the man who fought in the time war, and honestly believed he wiped out his own race, the darkness, the mass murderer is STILL there, its tempered but in no way has it gone away!
The end of The Waters of Mars was so good, you could tell he was filled with pure rage, I really think we need more of that Doctor. Viewers need to be reminded that The Doctor isn't just any old person with a box like the 13th Doctor has become. Viewers need to be reminded that he is man to be feared, he is a Time Lord with a TARDIS and could easily use the TARDIS to wipe out all existence in the universe if he wanted.
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Second Sense what you said there really proves that a female doctor isn’t ideal. An angry male is far more scarier than a boring female alongside a writer (Chibnall) that has completely changed Doctor Who in the worst of ways. Not even Russell could fix this and it’s really disappointing isn’t it
MisterKO a female doctor is fine honestly, females are just as scary as males tbh
@@Mrowmeowmew Women are beautiful, soft, warm, cuddly up to. Creatures like kittens.
@@ariesmight6978 unless you want to see them unleash the Tiger, I wish you luck.
That scene with Wilfred makes me bawl every time
I found eccleston and tennant actually scary when they lose it and make threats. i couldnt believe Matt Smith though.
"you are only human" . there is like 3 occasions 11 says that (5x2, 6x7 , forgot the third one ) and i love when insults humans ,
I love the Tenth Doctor so much, but it's really surprising and scary how he can become so utterly terrifying and that's one of the things I like about him, because it reminds me of his past and who he is. Also, his wrath is impressive...
3:16 the moment you remember David Tennant played barty crouch jr.
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The waters of Mars was by far the darkest episode of Doctor who (in my opinion), if I didn't have so many childhood phobias generated from that, I would totally rewatch it
Damn thats my favorite one dawg
The line "The fury of the Time Lord" (& that entire scene, honestly) resonated with me pretty hard. Think about it a lot while watching the show. I live for moments like the ones shown in the video, ones where the Doctor gives up on being kind and shows why people should be scared of him (this is also why I *really* didn't like Clara w/ the 12th Doctor as she made it damn near impossible for those types of situations to happen). The dude (originally) killed his entire race & its enemies by himself and can bring armies to their knees just by having a way with words. Lad's powerful and deserves mad respect.
I'm on the same boat. Whenever I think of the Doctor being truly formidable and exploiting the rules of the show, that scene and the later half of "The Waters of Mars" are always popping into my mind. I would've love to have seen that theme be put into an episode somehow. The Doctor being powerful and vengeful yet being completely calm and decisive. It would've been a joy to watch but it also might have gone too deep into darkness to maintain the qualities of the character.
'He never raised his voice'
If you can’t realise that David Tennant as doctor who has the most substance, is the best doctor since 2005, and is the most passionate actor for the role we can’t be friends.
Your opinion isn't objective fact
Out of the 33 clips in this, 10 are because of the Daleks. Just goes to show you just how much he hates those damn pepperpots
love this comment so much lol, pepperpots 😂
The 11th was the darkest imo he hid behind a baby face and childish actions but when 11 was angry it felt like he would burn everything and anyone, and do unspeakable things. That why Matt is so underrated he made me actually fear the Doctor, and it fit very well with the natural regeneration progression
Edit: The way he switched from childish to angry and then back again was the biggest thing
_A Good Man Goes to War:_ he flat out destroys a whole Cyberman fleet just to send a message.
_"Would you like me to repeat the question?"_
Christopher Eccleston's Doctor telling the Dalek to kill itself is one of the darkest lines in the series.
My favourite is not the doctor being dark... it's midnight. Showing what us humans would be like in a close situation for this!
The doctor is a man who saw pain in the universe and rather than erase it he decided to endure it for the sake of everyone else.
6:29 No matter how many times I'm reminded that the line is "Fear me. I've killed all of them." I always remember the line as "Fear me. I killed the rest."
I NEED dark thirteen. I NEED it like I need AIR to BREATHE
Hannah Barch oh honey my poor wlw heart would forget how to breathe, honestly
Yellow Bord we got some dark 13 at the end of the latest season and lemme tell ya I nearly exploded
@@hannahbarch4695 oh gosh yeah i just caught up- i am in tears miss jodie
Jodie deserves a better screenwriter. She's an amazing actress but her doctor is so shallow because Chibnall insists on writing bedtime stories rather than sci to scenarios that pushes the doctor to decide between hard moral choices
The time when the master forced her to kneel, the LOOK in her EYES!
9 was a beast, still suffering PTSD from a war
10 thought he’d tackled his demons and didn’t realise the animal he could still become
Whereas 11 knew and tried to contain it
12 made peace with and utilised it
I’ve always loved this characters dark moments becuase he’s a hero but yet it feels like if he lost it we’d all be in deep shit
11 actually committed more crimes than 10 for your information. I don't call that being able to contain the animal, specially since he glossed over all of them
7:48 I'm still convinced that this moment was actually David Tennant being mad about how HE won't be The Doctor anymore, because #10 should know that he can still regenerate, so why is he so mad about not being able to do so much more?
Didn’t Tennant quit willingly??
@@ospreyphil8995 I have no idea, but his acting in this moment seems like he was forced off... great acting regardless tho
To explain the in universe reason behind this understand that 10 already used a regeneration whilst keeping his face, and although he doesn't exist at this time the war doctor also used one of lives meaning this is his last regeneration until the time lords grant him a new set of regenerations.
I think when the 11th Doctor got angry and became all dark and sinister it was the scariest because he was overall so loving and childish and it contrasted greatly with his normal behaviour.
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“just ME”
That quote killed me. I think this is a reflection of him realizing that one day it will be just him. No friends, no timelords, not even any enemies. Just him. Alone forever.
He can always go back in time
Not always
I killed all of em.... Chills
What episode was that
Can't remember specifically but it's when he gets a distress beacon from another time lord
Zack E The Doctors Wife
The 10th doctor was the one doctor not to make angry, you would not like to see him angry. The speech’s and the fear he put in his enemies
No 12th doctor scenes, he had like the most. Like when he threatened to end that woman from game of thrones
Matthew Bradford ashildr/me
The description says season 1-7
Well, you could put basically all of Heven Sent in for 12
Who else thinks that the speech at Akaten is so emotional because he is basically living through all of his life’s all the highs all the lows and especially when he "killed" all the Timelords
4:50 10 is starting to sound like the master
1:06 When he screams "I can do anything" it gives so much power to the character.
Why does the doctor holding a *gun* give me chills?
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‘One thing you never ever put in a trap’
‘And what would that be sir?’
‘Jorah mormont’
And his failed plot armour in season 8
@@chaosdan3130 Season 8 isnt canon in my eyes
Kinda sad you didn't include the bit after the "Colonel Runaway" speech about good men not needing rules. That was the darkest bits of his from that episode.
Also the bit from the 50th anniversary where 10 and 11 go at it in the dungeon. That's a hell of a moment as well.
Good men do not need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many
@Winter Wren "...but this is the truth, Doctor: you take ordinary people and fashion them into weapons."
-- Davros
7:09 am I the only one who hears Strax giggling when the Doctor says he wants the colonel to tell his men to, “Run away.”
Vastra's hiss when the doctor snapped on Col Runaway scares me
It was dorium who laughed not strax
Love the irony of Devros trying to psycho-babble The Doctor by trying the "we're not so different you and I" speech. Dude, you created a race with the express purpose of killing existence down to a submolecular level, while your antagonist has been solo'ing your entire engineered species of talking wartanks for centuries. One initiated the hostile action, the other one's trying to stop it. Like saying that a parent who kills their child's murderer is as bad as the child murderer himself because they both killed.
"solo-ing" lmao rpg vibes
That’s the thing.
You take away the circumstances and they have similar traits. Especially to Davros’ warped view.
Genius intellect
Committed atrocities
Created weapons/soldiers out of people.
Possibly mad.
That scene is a lot darker than you give it credit, I think. Look at it as if Davros and the daleks are lawful evil. They follow a code or belief structure, even if its "kill everything that isn't dalek." They're predictable, and the audience can accept their motivations even if they don't agree. The Children of Time (as Davros refers to the Doctor's current/past companions) are mostly neutral/chaotic good. They have the potential to do anything regardless of rules, and they'll often ignore personal morals if they believe it to be the right choice. They sometimes make these choices regardless of consequences, even when the end result will end in deaths. Even their fellow companions can't see how dangerous that mindset is, shown in how Rose cheered on the others laying traps while she/Ten were captive. Because the companions can't be easily predicted, and because they have free thought and will, the Doctor inadvertently created an army potentially more devastating than Davros's daleks. And that is the legacy that Davros wanted the Doctor to see.
Lmao the way you phrased this reminds me a lot of people whining about antifa who is also just, yknow, preventing bad things
@jager64xxx xxxpanzer With the exception that the Daleks have consistently, repeatedly and remorselessly tried to eradicate EXISTENCE ITSELF.
Trying to liken an omnicidal, hateful, xenophobic, genetically psychopathic (no, really, they are), not to mention FICTIONAL, to the cultures the westerners found frankly says more about you than anything else.
And to expand; The Doctor makes mistakes, he KNOWS he makes mistakes. However, his 'moral ground' is significantly enhanced considering that the Daleks have not once tried to not kill every other being they came across, with their sole exception trying to change that because he was infected (his own words btw) with human genes -and he got promptly killed for it. If the Daleks had, even once in their thousands of years of in-universe existence tried to coexit, you might have had a point there, but they never did. Frankly, eradicating the Daleks isn't 'genocide' so much as putting a rabid dog down. So, yeah, sorry, but the Doctor isn't a hypocrite, he's just faced with the issue "if the Daleks live, inevitably, they will at some point succeed at destroying all of existence". He's not going out there picking fights; he's trying to keep them from fighting (and killing) EVERYTHING ELSE.
13 is as threatening as a cocker spaniel
In classic DW, it was incredibly rare for the Doctor to travel alone. So it was interesting to explore that side of the Doctor, what happens when he's alone. Ten of course experienced this the most and he was still basically dealing with the Time War. He lost three companions fairly close together and he also had some of the most complicated relationships with his companions as well. Added to that he was incredibly vain. Brilliant and he knew it. He had to be stopped.
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stopped at what? you people only consider one action of him as evil which may or may not have had negative effects and still it was nothing compared to some crimes which doctors before and after him did and you gloss over them
These are the moments when he was closets to the Master than ever before. Especially the 11th's and the 10th's after Dona left.
Definitely
tha absolute anguish in the "I CAN DO ANYTHING" when he's trying to save Astrid kills me EVERY time