Best video yet. So in depth, so technical. Loved hearing from Hurrion himself. Would love to see these types of videos with Trackman/Foresight/Gears etc.
Great video and super informative. It was really amazing to see the system designer using the system. Ian, One really big question I had from watching this was to know what would have happened if you had changed the loft on your Scotty Cameron up a degree or more??? How would that have compared to making the change of putter? Can you follow up with that to show the difference? Would LOVE to see that comparison too. Thanks
Golden Nugget: 15:11 Blades with lots of MOI over Mallets: Blade mishit will still go straight. Miss hit wont lose distance. Softer inserts are needed with hotter firmer golf balls.
This has really opened my eyes to how in depth Quintic is, its actually blown my mind, I have had putting fittings before but was was only using Vision and although that makes sense for simplicity, this is another level. Fantastic Video as always. God bless
@@BigGuyGolf lol you know 99 percent of fittings want to run you down the toe hang rabbit hole and give you a million reasons how it affects everything. This neck that neck etc etc. Most fitters don’t keep it to these 3-4 basics I posted above.
Ian, This was really good... As a guy who is always trying to tweak his game and try new putters now i understand why I keep coming back to my favourite putter... its a 2.5 degree loft with a "Firm" insert (Blade) Short neck style that has always felt just right, .. Always looking for that "Holy Grail" of putters, seems like it's been there all along.... The roll/delivery and Loft specs on this test were pretty revealing and something to think about....
I went with AMT’s in irons last year. I get my speed smoothly. I have plenty of speed (90+ 6i) but my impact dynamics with long irons aren’t great for peak height apart from my speed. I noticed a big difference in long iron play with the change. Added dynamic loft, lighter shaft was easier to shallow angle of attack, and faster clubhead speed led to a drastic change. 4 iron was around 100 feet peak to now 120+
This felt like learning about General Relativity from Albert Einstein. Absolute master class in putter fitting. Would love to see Ian also test out the Taylormade blades with the Pure Roll face.
Putter fitting is so important, whether you are a great putter or a poor putter. I'm not near TXG but was able to get putter fitting at 2nd Swing Golf in AZ. They have a few locations around the country. They use quintic. I needed to shorten a little bit and I also had to reduce loft by 1* for my preferred putter. Ended up with all "greens" after that.
I've learned so much from this channel, particularly around MOI and I'd love it if txg could quantify the moi improvement in putters. I'm looking to upgrade my 2002 Newport Studio Stainless and have tested the trihot 5k two in this video because it has the same look but significantly better feel. I plan on doing another fit with TxgDean to upgrade it but would love more videos on putters. Seems like uncharted territory for the most highly used club in the bag!
Worth staying with the full session. Interesting to see what goes in the bag ? Valuable info. On the MOI on new models. About three of my low h/cap mates have shifted to O Works and all show a much quieter mind over putts.
I use the quintic system everyday, single greatest tool to drop strokes...Forward Golf in Ventura, CA exclusively fits putter with this system (not to mention proprietary iron fitting system)...
Once again, a great in depth video. What is your opinion re the Ping Putting app with regards to finding a putter to suit a players stroke? I have attended a Ping putter fitting and been advised on which putter performed best but was in no way comparable to this video.
The test Putt is 12 Feet long. If I recall properly the "test Green" rolls at a 12 Speed. There are older Fitting videos that give background information.
I think when the Dr. told Ian that his style of putter was correct but probably needed a different manufacturer, I thought I saw a small tear run down Ian’s cheek. :)
Does your putter have a square face loft and then you are bending the neck for loft or is the putter have like a stock 3 degrees milled into the head and then you are decreasing the loft by bending?
so did you switch or are you sticking with the scotty? I think more than anything, you've got to hit putts outside and truly test distance control, along with other factors that matter outside.
Ian your stroke was straight back and straight through but your putter has some toe hang so how important is it to match the stroke to the amount of toe hang? Based on your stroke I would have thought that a faced balanced putter would be better.
I’d imagine it’s very personal. I’m 6’4” too. I bought a Ping Heppler ZB3 which has an adjustable shaft length. I tried many lengths but settled on 35” but I do have incredibly long arms which I guess might make a difference.
It is Ian’s channel I understand however, I’d really love to hear more from the expert guest in this instance. It takes knowledge to speak, it takes genius to listen.
Ian, there is not these fittings near me. Club champion is 3 hours away. Most don’t carry all the putters we want. If you were local, I would gladly pay. Not everywhere has good options.
I play on greens that have poa and bent mixed and they tend to get bumpy later in the day. My putter has 4* of loft, i see you have 1* Ian. Is this due to playing on smooth greens?
Yes, if you play bumpier greens, go with more loft. The goal is to get your ball out of the mini depression it sits in and rolling as soon as possible. The higher loft will lift the ball out sooner and get it rolling. A lot of pros from years ago used a popping method instead of a smooth stroke. This was because their greens were rougher than today and it helped to get the ball rolling better than a smooth, slow stroke.
Unpopular opinion: Putting is more about the relationship between the putter and the golfer than it is about the putter. While all of this analysis and tech is "cool", we've reached a point of diminishing returns with putter technology as it yields very little if any material gain on the green.
best putter related video i’ve ever watched. what a masterclass
As a master, I am glad your here!
Of course brilliant... Ian & Dr Paul together. Plse more! Ian/TXG have been leaders in educating golfers on the benefits of a putter fitting
Best video yet. So in depth, so technical. Loved hearing from Hurrion himself. Would love to see these types of videos with Trackman/Foresight/Gears etc.
Best video on fitting I have seen.
Great video and super informative. It was really amazing to see the system designer using the system. Ian, One really big question I had from watching this was to know what would have happened if you had changed the loft on your Scotty Cameron up a degree or more??? How would that have compared to making the change of putter? Can you follow up with that to show the difference? Would LOVE to see that comparison too. Thanks
Golden Nugget: 15:11
Blades with lots of MOI over Mallets: Blade mishit will still go straight. Miss hit wont lose distance.
Softer inserts are needed with hotter firmer golf balls.
love when you can see and hear the passion from dr, paul , a true master at his craft . great video!!
Best video in a while for me this Ian. Great to have insights like this from such an expert! Are you going to game the odyssey?
This has really opened my eyes to how in depth Quintic is, its actually blown my mind, I have had putting fittings before but was was only using Vision and although that makes sense for simplicity, this is another level. Fantastic Video as always. God bless
This video was AMAZING sooooo much to take in and showing how important putter fittings are!!
Not all that important outside of length and lie loft maybe hwadweight
@@jwild5360 so basically everything to do with the putter? Lol
@@BigGuyGolf lol you know 99 percent of fittings want to run you down the toe hang rabbit hole and give you a million reasons how it affects everything. This neck that neck etc etc. Most fitters don’t keep it to these 3-4 basics I posted above.
Ian, This was really good... As a guy who is always trying to tweak his game and try new putters now i understand why I keep coming back to my favourite putter... its a 2.5 degree loft with a "Firm" insert (Blade) Short neck style that has always felt just right, .. Always looking for that "Holy Grail" of putters, seems like it's been there all along.... The roll/delivery and Loft specs on this test were pretty revealing and something to think about....
I went with AMT’s in irons last year. I get my speed smoothly. I have plenty of speed (90+ 6i) but my impact dynamics with long irons aren’t great for peak height apart from my speed. I noticed a big difference in long iron play with the change.
Added dynamic loft, lighter shaft was easier to shallow angle of attack, and faster clubhead speed led to a drastic change. 4 iron was around 100 feet peak to now 120+
Putter fitting is always so interesting. Great seeing what directions it can go. Thanks for the video!
Probably in my TXG Top 10 of all time videos
This felt like learning about General Relativity from Albert Einstein. Absolute master class in putter fitting. Would love to see Ian also test out the Taylormade blades with the Pure Roll face.
Having just done a putter fit at TXG, this was awesome to watch. If you've been waiting, don't. Get a putter fit!! Can make a massive difference
Scary depth of refinement! I understand half of what is presented, I am curious of going in with my gamer and test it.
Putter fitting is so important, whether you are a great putter or a poor putter. I'm not near TXG but was able to get putter fitting at 2nd Swing Golf in AZ. They have a few locations around the country. They use quintic. I needed to shorten a little bit and I also had to reduce loft by 1* for my preferred putter. Ended up with all "greens" after that.
Superb, thx👍. Be great to see a comparison between Evnroll & Odyssey blades
Excellent. Informative. Brilliant explanations. Love this video.
Great video, I've had the pleasure of meeting Paul a few times, great bloke, always got time for my daughter, really nice man
Brilliant video 👍
I've learned so much from this channel, particularly around MOI and I'd love it if txg could quantify the moi improvement in putters. I'm looking to upgrade my 2002 Newport Studio Stainless and have tested the trihot 5k two in this video because it has the same look but significantly better feel. I plan on doing another fit with TxgDean to upgrade it but would love more videos on putters. Seems like uncharted territory for the most highly used club in the bag!
One of the most interesting parts of the 100K experience was the putter fit. Couldn't agree with Ian more!
Worth staying with the full session. Interesting to see what goes in the bag ? Valuable info. On the MOI on new models. About three of my low h/cap mates have shifted to O Works and all show a much quieter mind over putts.
Ian, would love to see you guys try this odyssey with a bgt shaft, la golf, fuji, etc.
Fantastic video. I need more speed what are some quicker hotter putters.
If only this expertise was readily available
Exactly, one can only dream to be honest
Good stuff. If using lead tape on base of the putter would you be looking at reducing loft potentially from a cg/launch perspective?
Wonder how Sik putter would have turned out. Exp with the up/down strikes.
Was thinking the exact same thing. I really like the Sik blades
Great video
I use the quintic system everyday, single greatest tool to drop strokes...Forward Golf in Ventura, CA exclusively fits putter with this system (not to mention proprietary iron fitting system)...
Once again, a great in depth video. What is your opinion re the Ping Putting app with regards to finding a putter to suit a players stroke? I have attended a Ping putter fitting and been advised on which putter performed best but was in no way comparable to this video.
Did it show that green is at 15 Stimp? Seems overly fast. Does that affect a fit vs being 9-11?
The test Putt is 12 Feet long.
If I recall properly the "test Green" rolls at a 12 Speed.
There are older Fitting videos that give background information.
I think when the Dr. told Ian that his style of putter was correct but probably needed a different manufacturer, I thought I saw a small tear run down Ian’s cheek. :)
be interesting in any difference between say a stiff steel shaft and one of the high cost offerings
Was wondering how green speed would affect putter choice.
How do you fit for specific green speeds? My home course run 13 or more in the fall.
Question.. what Data parameters would you look at to see if the golfer needs an LA golf shaft, stability shaft, or any other sort of shaft
What are his thoughts on LAB putters?
Does your putter have a square face loft and then you are bending the neck for loft or is the putter have like a stock 3 degrees milled into the head and then you are decreasing the loft by bending?
so did you switch or are you sticking with the scotty? I think more than anything, you've got to hit putts outside and truly test distance control, along with other factors that matter outside.
Centre shafted putter?
Maybe the taylormade putter that Tiger went to for a time. Pretty sure it was a Rossa TP model for Ian.
Is the Scotty on the bench and 5K in the bag?
Where can you go to do a putter fitting in Vancouver?
Morgan Creek, Brett Saunders and Scott Rogers.
Ian your stroke was straight back and straight through but your putter has some toe hang so how important is it to match the stroke to the amount of toe hang? Based on your stroke I would have thought that a faced balanced putter would be better.
He would probably close face too much with face balanced
@@lancesedevie548 I agree. I was asking more in general how important it is to match the toe hang to the stoke.
The path shown was only 3 inches behind and 3 inches past the Ball's Position. In that 6 inches any Arc is almost indiscernible.
@@apaulmcdonough2170 Good point. Thanks for your response
Ian, I am taller guy. Just under 6’4. Would having a longer putter shaft help with set up? Currently use 35”. Appreciate any help!
I’d imagine it’s very personal. I’m 6’4” too. I bought a Ping Heppler ZB3 which has an adjustable shaft length. I tried many lengths but settled on 35” but I do have incredibly long arms which I guess might make a difference.
Putter Length is more about Hand Height at Address in your Stance, than it is about your overall Height.
Great video - what about the trip ?
Sorry - it should be grip
It is Ian’s channel I understand however, I’d really love to hear more from the expert guest in this instance. It takes knowledge to speak, it takes genius to listen.
Ian, there is not these fittings near me. Club champion is 3 hours away. Most don’t carry all the putters we want. If you were local, I would gladly pay. Not everywhere has good options.
Club Champion uses Samm Putt Lab, I prefer quintic. I ended up at 2nd Swing for my putting fitter and it was phenomenal.
I’ll take that putter Blue numbers all day. Looks like a Scotty champ teryllium
Ian's SC is a Champion's Choice, with I believe one of the Golf Pride Pro Only Cord grips.
Now I’m super curious what that machine would say about me and my putter!?!? I haven’t changed my putter in 20 year’s.
Damn!!! Putting is over 40% of my game and I am in the dark closet with all my putters.
With 80% of tour using mallet or moi, why play a blade?
Wish this tech was more accessible. Only Sik has it 2hrs away, then 4hr drive next closest 😑
So like, half an hour of this vs just putting the ball another centimeter further forward in the stance to fix the angle of attack...
That would change face angle at impact, just like any iron or wood.
The ball would come off a different place from the blade vertically. And you have also triple the chance of other errors in the process.
I play on greens that have poa and bent mixed and they tend to get bumpy later in the day. My putter has 4* of loft, i see you have 1* Ian. Is this due to playing on smooth greens?
bumpier or slower greens need a higher launch
Yes, if you play bumpier greens, go with more loft. The goal is to get your ball out of the mini depression it sits in and rolling as soon as possible.
The higher loft will lift the ball out sooner and get it rolling. A lot of pros from years ago used a popping method instead of a smooth stroke. This was because their greens were rougher than today and it helped to get the ball rolling better than a smooth, slow stroke.
From now on I will never ever throw a putter or any club or slam it in the bag....what if it bends half a degree? Then I'm screwed 🤣
Unpopular opinion: Putting is more about the relationship between the putter and the golfer than it is about the putter. While all of this analysis and tech is "cool", we've reached a point of diminishing returns with putter technology as it yields very little if any material gain on the green.
Are you changing putter? Thats the big question.