Calvinism Sermon: God's Sovereignty (Part 1)
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- Опубликовано: 9 янв 2017
- What are the Five Points of Calvinism? Do the Doctrines of Grace have anything, ultimately, to do with a man named John Calvin? Or, are they truly biblical and find their foundation in the Scriptures themselves? In this message, Pastor Jeff Durbin (Apologia Church/Radio/TV) teaches for our series on the Doctrines of Grace. This message was on the foundations of the acrostic, TULIP: the sovereignty of God.
How sovereign is God? Is He mostly sovereign or completely sovereign? How important is this particular issue? Does it really matter? Are the Scriptures unclear?
We would encourage you to get out your bible, a notebook, and a pen. Watch this message and test your traditions by the Scriptures. The Scriptures are the sole infallible rule of faith, therefore, our beliefs must be consistent with the Word of God and we must be willing to abandon any belief that contradicts God's Word no matter how long we've held them or how cherished it has become.
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i fought and argued against the doctrines of grace and sovereignity for years. Then a pastor did a 7 week series trying to refute calvinism. It was the scriptures he was using that piqued my interest. Somehow, not from myself, I sensed something was very wrong with that series. It was then that I began to sit with the word and let the Holy Spirit reveal to me the meaning of Reformed doctrine as contained in scripture.
That’s awesome. God is good!
For many, a pastor, who refute these doctrines of GRACE, I believe that it is out of fear of finding out that they are wrong. They would then have to admit to preaching another gospel. Only the Holy Spirit can change their mind.
This is the same thing that happened to me. I was determined to fight against the doctrines of grace as an evil twisting of Scripture. Now I am trying to teach them to my wife and my small group. 😅
One of the most comforting phrases in the whole world: "God is in control."
I often repeat it to myself when I'm scared.
Kate the Great, we know God is in control but does He predetermined all things like hyper-Calvinism taught?
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Tan, don't confused Hyper-Calvinism with Calvinism.
In light of your question to Kate, can you apply your question to Isaiah 53 and 1 Peter 1?
Isaiah 53:1-5,5-12 KJV
Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed? [2] For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. [3] He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. [4] Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. [5] But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. [5] But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. [6] All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. [7] He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. [8] He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. [9] And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. [10] Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. [11] He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. [12] Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
1 Peter 1:17-21 KJV
And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: [18] Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; [19] But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: [20] *Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,* [21] *Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.*
Was Christ Jesus predestined/predetermined to be a PROPITATION for us before the foundation of the world?
@@built4speed101 How am I to know whether, you are a 5-pointer, a 4-pointer or even 3-pointer as it is such a confused, human logic belief system? Did Calvin taught Calvinism and propagate the double-predestination doctrine?
The facts are: Calvin most definitely did believe in double predestination in relation to salvation and this is what he wrote and taught:
"The predestination by which God adopts some to the hope of life, and adjudges others to eternal death, no man who would be thought pious ventures simply to deny….By predestination we mean the eternal decree of God, by which he determined with himself whatever he wished to happen with regard to every man. All are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of these ends, we say that he has been predestinated to life or to death" (Institutes of the Christian Religion 3.21.5).
From where did anyone get the idea that Calvin did not teach double predestination in relation to salvation? Agreed in Isa53 and 1Peter 1` God's foreknowledge and predestinated Christ to be crucified but not as what Calvin taught that God predestinate some to eternal life but other to eternal condemnation which is unbiblical. I believed in the sovereign of God and the doctrine of grace. Since you are a Calvinist certainly a follower must adhere to this doctrine of Calvin as well. Do you care to comment please. Thank you.
Kate the Great same
@@built4speed101 In Calvinism there are various facets of belief system. While most Calvinists hold to the five points of Calvinism as summarized by the acronym TULIP, there are some who refer to themselves as six or seven-point Calvinists. One person who is known to identify himself as a seven-point Calvinist is John Piper. He does so half-jokingly but does so to communicate a truth that the five points of Calvinism are not exhaustive in a consideration of God’s sovereign saving grace. The Desiring God web site says, “Piper isn’t seeking to add two more points, but is simply calling attention to his belief in the traditional five points (total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace, and perseverance of the saints) in a way that also points toward two additional ‘Calvinistic’ truths that follow from them: double predestination and the best-of-all-possible worlds.”
Double predestination is widely considered the sixth-point. It is simply the other side to predestination, that just as God sovereignly chooses those whom He will save, in the same way he chooses those whom He will not save. There are some Calvinists who reject this idea, saying that God chooses His elect while everyone else makes their own choice to be condemned. A six-point Calvinist though, believes that God chooses some for salvation and some for perdition and that He does so not on the basis that some people are better or worse than others, but simply through His sovereign choice.
As Phil Johnson of Grace to You says, “All five varieties of hyper-Calvinism undermine evangelism or twist the gospel message.” So this is the key to understanding hyper-Calvinism: it undermines evangelism and/or somehow distorts the gospel message which I fully agreed
You quoted Isa 53:
1-5, 5-12 and 1 Pet 1:17-21 certainly I agreed that Christ Jesus was predestined/predetermined to be a PROPITIATION for us (all mankind) before the foundation of the world.
This is the second or third time that I have watched this. I love it. Been saved 47 years and this is the best preacher/ teacher I have ever listened to. Praise God for Jeff.
I am an "Arminian" who is slowly understanding Reformed theology. I think that Jeff is a remarkable preacher. Great sermon.
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The Bibliognost
Don’t fall for the Calvinists made up definitions of grace and sovereignty. Believe in what’s biblical.
Evan U no bro Calvinism is evil don’t get into it
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Second time through. My spirit is quickened. He that has ears let him hear.
Oh yes Even I
This man is a fantastic teacher. I've scoured the Scriptures and have found that this man is sound. For you naysayers calling him a false teacher, repent and search the scriptures yourself and don't simply jump to illogical conclusions simply because you don't agree with his position. Jeff preaches Christ and him crucified and that salvation is by God's grace alone. Not exactly a false doctrine by any stretch of the imagination.
The sovereignty of God in salvation produces an effect through a means, and the activating of the human will is that means. God evangelizes the world through the means of sending Christians to every creature to preach the gospel. We become the means by which the Lord reaches the elect. And, there is a means by which God saves, and it is through faith, and that faith is an act of the human will- not apart from the power of God--but by means of the power of God activating that will. God acts on the will of man that causes him to seek God, therefore a person is saved not because he had himself the desire or ability to believe (or he would have reason to boast), but because God chose him and acted on his will to bring him to faith.
Full Counsel Ministries ~ Saschvina Calvinist have no answer to that
yep. Drop false beliefs and read the bible and people will find this guy is sound.
@Grace Marie , may I ask you a few questions? Most people who believe in a free-will theology holds to a prescient view of God's foreknowledge. This view assumes "that God passively discovers what his creatures would decide in the future apart from his sovereign control, and then he makes a decision regarding the status of these creatures on the basis of this awareness. What this means is God's decision regarding the status of these creatures is in a real sense determined by these creatures themselves, and the difference between these creatures and other creatures are in the creatures themselves, apart from God's sovereign decision to make a distinction between them. It may be said that God is still the one who determines the principles by which men must be saved, but it is the men themselves who decide which ones would receive salvation. The problem with this view is that, even if we allow foreknowledge to mean a passive prescience, the argument remains incomplete and incapable of producing any useful result; pointless. Taking this view, you must establish something else as well, namely, that faith is not a gift from God, but that it is something generated by the creatures themselves. Otherwise, if faith is a sovereign gift from God as the Bible teaches, then for God to base election on foreseen faith would be just another way of saying that God bases election on what He himself will do in the future. God bless!
@@lawrencestanley8989 it's all Gods will. He restrains the hearts of evil mwn. He allows the evil that happens in this world to happen.
Some wisdom given bt Hod to solomon and the world by his grace.
Proverbs 2:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 He keepeth the paths of judgment, and preserveth the way of his saints.
I am sitting here crying about the grace of God.
I started this video and just cried and cried. I've never been so humbled before in my life.
Certainly powerful
Our Will , will never trump God's will
David Day Mans will violates God’s will every moment of everyday
It’s light bulb to hear Pastor Durbin message. I am completely amaze how much wisdom Jesus gave it to him while I listen to his sermon. I’ve been new listener. But already anticipating every sermon He will teach to his congregation. May He be Blessed as always in Jesus name.🙏
Ayda Patriarca you sounds like a devout Calvinist. Please comment on Calvin's doctrine of double-predestination, is it biblical?
unbelievably on point-just about the best message you will ever hear.
+Dominick7 , you will have to stand before that HOLY YHWH to be judged one day soon. Repent, and Trust the real YESHUA of Holy Scripture; flee from the wrath that is and is more to come, or perish in the way.
Dominick7 i cannot do that. CHRIST Can though.
wow. lol i was responding to that horrible comment you made about YHWH. If i wasn't already doing so, i wouldn't have care enough, truly, to warn you. To YHWH Be the Glory
Got saved in 2014. Been reading the bible and learning from God since. I discovered recently that i was a Calvinist before i ever knew what Calvinism was. What is interesting is that i had an aversion to the term Calvinism after hearing so many negative things about it. I urge everyone to check out Gospel of Grace Fellowship. The preaching is pure, biblical, Christ-centered and gospel-centered. I had been watching their sermons for some time and was extremely encouraged by the purity of the doctrine. Then in one sermon the preacher was like, "oh this is Calvinism by the way", and i was like wuuttt. I'm so grateful to understand these things and rejoice in the mercy and wisdom of our Sovereign God.
Obadiah Wanderer
Sounds like you became a Calvinist by being conditioned from your pastoral teachers. It certainly isn’t biblical my friend. We should talk.
God bless
@@evanu6579 What isn't biblical about the doctrines of grace?
Obadiah Wanderer
First of all they claim that regeneration precedes faith. The bible says that regeneration happens after faith....
Jhn 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
All that believed would receive the Spirit after Jesus’ resurrection and ascension....
Jhn 14: 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Jhn 15: 26 ¶ But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Jhn 16: 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
The Holy Spirit is first given here....
Jhn 20: 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
So they didn’t receive the Holy Spirit until after the resurrection as Jesus stated in John 7. That’s well after the disciples believed, and many others as well......
Jhn 2: 23 ¶ Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.
Luk 7: 50 ¶ And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Even after the resurrection, faith still preceded regeneration.....
Eph 1: 13 ¶ In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
Just to clarify what regeneration is. It is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit....
Rom 8: 9 ¶ But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Spiritual life happens after belief.....
Jhn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
The disciples hadn’t received this life before the resurrection of Christ.....
Jhn 14:19 ¶ Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Peter hadn’t yet been converted.....
Luk 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
(Matt 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.)
There are many reasons why it’s false though. That’s just one reason.
Why do you thinks it’s true?
@@evanu6579 Calvinism does not teach that the Holy Spirit indwells a believer before they put their faith in Jesus. I think you are confused by the terminology.
Obadiah Wanderer
They do say that regeneration precedes faith. Would you agree that that is the case.
If so, what do you believe regeneration is? (You’re the first Calvinist I’ve heard make this assertion and I’ve talked with nearly a hundred Calvinists. Not saying you’re wrong, just a little surprised which is why I would like some clarification).
Thanks and God bless
Best message I've heard on this topic.
I was called a Calvinist before I knew what that even meant, my faith is based on Scripture and I only learned that what Calvin teaches agrees with Scripture later. The Sovereignty of The creator of the Universe has been a given to me all my life, long before I received my new birth. The most important part of my salvation experience was my prayer to The Lord that I would know the truth of His word. I came to The Lord as a repentant guilty sinner with nothing to offer, crying out for mercy and for The Lord too show me the truth of His word. I search the scriptures and trust in the Spirits leading. From the time I was saved the Scriptures have been open to me. I'm still learning, God Bless you...
Your testimony is very similar to mine. Never read Calvin. Came to sovereign doctrine from reading this guy named Paul and the panorama of scripture. I was soon attacked by my elders in my little church for my heretical and dangerous views. im still heretical and dangerous 20 years later
You need to read A.W. Pink's book "The Sovereignty of God." In it, he explained:
“God’s decrees are not the necessitating cause of the sins of men, but the fore determined and prescribed bounding and directing of men’s sinful acts. God does not take up a good man, instill an evil desire into his heart, and thereby force him to perform the terrible deed in order to execute His decree. Instead, God decreed the act, and then selected the one who was to perform the act, but He did not “make him evil” in order that he should perform the deed. On the contrary, when we look at the life of Judas, the betrayer of Jesus, he was “a devil” at the time the Lord Jesus chose him as one of the twelve. (John 6:70) And in the manifestation and exercise of his own devilry, God simply directed Judas’ actions - actions that were perfectly agreeable to his own vile heart, and performed with the most wicked of intentions. By this way, man is still accountable to God for his sins.”
Dominick7
You said: *"Can anyone undo or destroy what God established?"*
No.
Job 42:2 - I know that you can do all things, and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
See also Ephesians 1:11, John 3:27, Proverbs 16:33, Ecclesiastes 7:14, Psalm 33:10-11, Genesis 20:6, Psalm 115:3, and many, many more...
Dominick7
God, who is eternally and immutably good acted as a moral agent to create other moral agents - the creature however, was made *mutably good*; that is, he was made good at the first, but he was made to have the ability within his own nature of changing in his conformity to the law of God and held within himself a capacity for unrighteousness.
God never forces any moral agent to do evil, but by so ordering the facts and circumstances of their lives, and by only permitting them to do those wicked things that serve God’s purposes, (wicked things that they do willingly and wantonly for their own intentions, see Genesis 50:20) God ordains sin to exist, He maintains absolute control over it, but He does so without being its author.
Man, as a free moral agent does have a free choice, but that free choice is always in subjection to his creaturely nature, and man can neither choose, create, nor alter his own nature - only an act of God can do that.
One’s choices naturally flow out of the strongest desires according to their nature, but because Adam and Eve were created beings, there was no perfection in their natures that would keep them from having an evil desire, and out of that, sin followed and led to the fall. From then on, all of mankind is in bondage to sin - while they still remain free moral agents, their wills are not free, but are enslaved to sin.
Everyone's will is subject to their nature, even God's.
Dominick7
You said: *”It was a yes or no question.”*
I am not going to give a simple yes or no response without an explanation if doing so would cause confusion.
You said: *”Is that what freedom really is?”*
The Bible nowhere says that man’s will is free.
You said: *”I'd contend that that is not freedom…”*
Define it however you want, my response is based on the Bible, and I have lots of scripture to back it up if you would like me to list some of them.
You said: *”If you're defining free will… then it isn’t free…”*
Right. Man’s will is not free, see Romans 6:16-18 among others...
The “will” is the faculty of choice - the immediate cause of all action. Choice necessarily implies the refusal of one thing, and the acceptance of another. The positive and the negative must both be present in the mind before there can be any choice, and in every act of the will there is preference - the desiring of one thing rather than another. Where there is no preference, but complete indifference, there is no volition. To “will” something is to choose, and to choose is to decide between alternatives. But there is something which influences the choice, something which determines the decision, hence the will cannot be sovereign since it is the servant of that something. The will cannot be both sovereign and servant. It cannot be both cause and effect. The will is not causative in itself because something causes it to choose, therefore that something must be the causative agent. Choice itself is affected by certain considerations and is determined by various influences brought to bear upon the individual himself. Hence, volition is the effect of these considerations and influences, and if their effect, it must be their servant, and if the will is their servant, then it is not sovereign, and if the will is not sovereign, we certainly cannot predicate absolute freedom of it.
You said: *”If though its not the self or agent that causes the actions but their nature or desires that do it, then the self is not to blame…”*
No, this is the line usually given by people who want to slander those who believe the Bible to make it seem as though God is to blame for sin.
Let’s examine this… No action can be considered morally “good” or “evil” apart from the intention of the one performing the action. For instance, if a tree drops a branch on a man and it kills him, no one would say that it was a morally wicked thing for the tree to do - obviously, the tree had no intention in the act. No one arrests trees for dropping branches onto people. The death of the man may indeed be painful for us, but if no intention exists, then even our own pain and hardship is no indicator to us that what has happened was morally evil.
Look at the life of Joseph - God ordained that Joseph go into slavery so that He might, through Joseph, preserve his people that they might become a nation from whom the Messiah would come. God intended the action for the glory of God while Joseph’s brothers on the other hand, sold him into slavery out of jealousy. Here we see in this one act, two intentions: God ordains an action and intends it for good, while men perform the action and intend it for evil (Genesis 50:20).
God is sovereign over all and ordains whatsoever comes to pass, and whatever He ordains, because God’s will is perfectly righteous and holy, His intention is always for the glory of God, and His will always serves that purpose. Man’s will however is fallen, and unless his will is captivated by the righteousness of God working within his will to do and to work for the glory of God, he will always work out what God ordains for his own sinful purposes.
In this way, God ordains whatsoever comes to pass, but is not the author of sin - God meant it for good, but men meant it for evil. Because men perform the action intending it to fulfill their own sinful desires, although the action was decreed by God for His glory, men remain culpable for their own wicked intentions. (cf. Isaiah 10:5-11)
I thank God for James White and Jeff Durbin. The absolute truth of Calvinism brings that Holy LIGHT to shine so brightly on the darkness of sin and lies that pervades the lives of unbelievers and Arminians. They always have to survive on the arrogant proponents of Karl Barth and other so called higher critics who put themselves above the Bible.
I used to have OCD very severe. I had obsessions to do certain things that made no sense or feel a certain way in order not to go to He'll. How incredibly comforting and absolutely amazing to finally know that I can do absolutely nothing to save myself! It is ONLY through Jesus Christ that I am saved. How amazingly simple
I know the hell you once lived in horrible
It is clear to me that this rebel heart is totally incapable of turning to God by my own will. And, having an inkling of the absolute sovereignty of God is, well, beyond words. I'm grateful He pulls the rug out from under us. Great sermon. Thank you.
Thank you so much Pastor Jeff for explaining God's sovereignty. It was easy to understand and opened my eyes.
UNFORTUNATELY UNIVERSALISM DOESN’T EXIST. GOD MAKES IT VERY CLEAR HE DIED FOR THE SINS OF EVERY SINGLE LIVING PERSON, BUT NOT EVERYONE WILL ACCEPT GOD’S FREE WILL OF SALVATION. MATTHEW 7:13-14 “ENTER THROUGH THE NARROW GATE. FOR WIDE IS THE GATE AND BROAD IS THE ROAD THAT LEADS TO DESTRUCTION, AND MANY ENTER THROUGH IT. 14 BUT SMALL IS THE GATE AND NARROW THE ROAD THAT LEADS TO LIFE, AND ONLY A FEW FIND IT.” GOD DOESN’T WANT ANY LIVING HUMAN BEING TO PERISH IN SIN. 2 PETER 3:9 “9 THE LORD IS NOT SLOW IN KEEPING HIS PROMISE, AS SOME UNDERSTAND SLOWNESS. INSTEAD HE IS PATIENT WITH YOU, NOT WANTING ANYONE TO PERISH, BUT EVERYONE TO COME TO REPENTANCE.” EZEKIEL 18:23”DO I TAKE ANY PLEASURE IN THE DEATH OF THE WICKED? DECLARES THE SOVEREIGN LORD. RATHER, AM I NOT PLEASED WHEN THEY TURN FROM THEIR WAYS AND LIVE?” GOD BLESS YOU. JOHN 3:16-18
This video is hard work for me. It is not that I do not understand but I fear frameworks that try to explain salvation are easily lead into legalism. Seeking knowledge to understand what is given freely can become fatal. Our God is in the heavens He does whatever He pleases. He saves whom He pleases and I trust in Him. If He saves me then I will praise Him and if He chooses not to I will be lost but I will praise Him nonetheless for He is just and true and worthy to be praised. For salvation is His alone and He shows mercy to whomever He chooses and has compassion on whomever He chooses. What business is it of ours to speculate or understand.We are called to follow and obey not to understand.
I treasure mercy for I hope to expect mercy... so much mercy. I treasure love because He is love. We abide in His love when we live by the Spirit and not according to the mind (flesh). For the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. It is perfect as He is perfect and Our Father gives this freely, to us through His Son, by His Spirit. What an amazing gift.
So why trouble yourself with trying to understand this? That is ungrateful? Salvation is not an academic exercise but a work of the Spirit of God. The same Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead lives in those who trust in Him and His Son, Jesus Christ. We should not let God's good work be hijacked by clever or persuasive arguments. We should not let ourselves be bewitched. It is good to study and show yourself approved but this is no substitute to the power of the Spirit of God. Knowing Scripture is not the same as knowing God. God gave Scripture for man and not man for Scripture. As it is written: "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me yet you refuse to come to me to have life."
But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down) “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is the message concerning faith that we proclaim: If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”
From the heart and the mouth: For those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. The heart persuades the mind not vice versa. The mouth reveals the heart. Learning does not change the heart for the heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? But the Spirit of God searches all things even the deep things of God. And the gospel message is not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power. Take no thought how or what you shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what you shall speak. For it is not you that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaks in you.
When my mother died when I was 7 I obviously had a hard time with everything. My dad became a alcoholic and blamed me for my mother's death. Long story short I was sleeping with my mom and she had chest pains. I was supposed to wake up my dad on the couch and I accidentally fell asleep. She died because I didn't wake him up for help.He would wake me up drunk on school nights, beat me and remind me of how I killed my own mother. I am 33 now and spent most of my life thinking I killed my mom. I now see why it happened and I think God has a purpose. I was broken until I became a Christian 4 years ago. This is so uplifting because I can now see I wouldn't be here if it wasn't in the plan. I'm now going into ministry and I now can help people who think they have to live with depression. I now can help kids who are going through a terrible time because I have been there. I now can help drug addicts because I was there. I now can help alcoholics because I was there. I was in absolute hell but God was with me even when I tried killing myself. I have zero hatred in my heart, zero want to drink or use, I raise my daughter in a God loving household. I would not be nearly as strong as I am now if it not for my childhood. I am the guy my family calls for help now and someday God willing I'll be the one many will come to in order to meet the one and true God.
His grace is for our repentance. Amen! Awesome teaching brother Jeff
YOU KNOW VERY WELL GOD GAVE THE FREE WILL TO HUMANS TO OBEY OR DISOBEY. GOD BLESS YOU.
Merci Beaucoup
Amen. I believe it’s a part of our fallenness. The Bible says our heart is wicked... when we sin it’s our own desire over Gods desire. I agree. However it’s a daily battle for me. The Lord has set me free from so many things but I continue to struggle with several.
God bless you
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THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING TO MY MESSAGE MY BROTHER. I DON'T KNOW IF REFORMERS ACTUALLY SERVE A RIGHTEOUS, LOVING, JUSTFUL AND MERCIFUL GOD. I CERTAINLY HOPE THEY DO. WE BOTH KNOW GOD IS OMNIPOTENT AND OMNISCIENT. GOD SAW EVERYTHING THAT HE HAD MADE AND, BEHOLD, IT WAS VERY GOOD GENESIS 1:31. IN GENESIS 3 WE KNOW THE FALL OF ADAM AND EVE'S SIN WHEN GOD SAID NOT TO EAT THE FRUIT FROM THAT TREE GENESIS 2:17. GOD COMMANDED ADAM AND EVE NOT TO EAT FROM THE FRUIT OF KNOWLEDGE. WHY DIDN’T GOD STOP ADAM AND EVE FROM EATING THAT FRUIT? GOD COULD HAVE STOPPED THIS FROM HAPPENING. HE DIDN’T. WHO WAS IN COMPLETE CONTROL OF ADAM'S SIN MY REFORMER FRIENDS? WAS IT GOD, ADAM OR SATAN? ACCORDING TO REFORMERS GOD ORDAINED SIN TO COME INTO THE WORLD. WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE OPTION TO CHOOSE OR REJECT GOD'S COMMANDMENTS. WE CALL THAT FREE WILL. THIS IS GOD SPEAKING ON EZEKIEL 33:11 "SAY TO THEM, ‘AS SURELY AS I LIVE, DECLARES THE SOVEREIGN LORD, I TAKE NO PLEASURE IN THE DEATH OF THE WICKED, BUT RATHER THAT THEY TURN FROM THEIR WAYS AND LIVE. TURN! TURN FROM YOUR EVIL WAYS! WHY WILL YOU DIE, PEOPLE OF ISRAEL?" GOD WANTS THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL TO TURN FROM THEIR EVIL WAYS AND LIVE. GOD HASN'T PREDESTINED THE ISRAELITES BEFORE TIME GOING TO HELL. GOD DOESN’T TAKE PLEASURE IN THE DEATH OF THE WICKED. THAT MEANS GOD DOESN’T PREDESTINE PEOPLE TO HELL FOR HIS OWN GLORY. WE ARE ALL (MANKIND) SINNERS ROMANS 3:23, BUT GOD WON'T BREAK ANY OF HIS PROMISES MY BROTHER. ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS VERSES IN THE BIBLE JOHN 3:16 SAYS TO US IF WE BELIEVE IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WE WILL HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE IN HEAVEN. GOD BLESS YOU AS WELL.
This was a fascinating sermon. One of the best I've seen. Thank you, God!
Daniel Hirschberg
You don't find that Calvinists use more philosophical rhetoric than they do scripture? When it comes to scripture, they just can't back up their position.
I am in a position?
Daniel Hirschberg
When I use the word "position" I mean view, stance, or take.
Like TULIP. there are plenty of passages to refute each point, but only a few vague verses to support it. This is why it seems to be a doctrine invented by man, and spread by the teaching of man, not by reading the bible.
The Bibliognost
I’d invite you discuss your “proof texts” with me, but I’ve tried that once before. I recall that you don’t like scripture very much.
Enjoy your doctrine.
Great sermon Jeff , as the title of the best hymn ever written AMAZING GRACE I’m glad God is raising up people like you with an uncompromising message of the true Gospel
Thank Calvinism for the Westboro Baptist Church
Isaiah Hesed, by your comments you believe in the teaching of Calvinism. I guessed since you find his teaching to be sound then you must be a Calvinist. In calvinism it says God is Sovereign and I agreed.
They go on and claimed that God before the foundation of the world either predestinated some for salvation and passover the rest of humanity ie ended up in hell ultimately because of their sins which I disagreed.
If Calvinism teaching on predestination is true as claimed and believed by you, appreciate if you could furnished me with some verses in the bible, in order to support this notion of Calvinism. May I suggest we stick on the "predestination" principle of Calvinism for the time being. Go ahead and thank you Isaiah.
awwwwww, I can't wait to listen to this during this coming weekend!
You need to go on Michael Knowles' podcast and teach him some things.
This preacher may be the best I’ve ever heard . Truly inspired by the Holy Spirit there is no denying that.
When the Holy Spirit enters a preacher you can tell it’s the Spirit not the man.
Many preachers are just dead men babbling dead sermons and misunderstood scripture .
Not this man!
Thanks Pastor Durbin, this is very helpful.
What a glorious teaching of God's almighty grace. Thank you for preaching this marvelous truth from God's word for example john 1:12-13 is very clear you don't just take one verse.
Gloria Blair
Jhn 1: 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
No Arminian that I know of, believes we can make ourselves be born again.
John is showing how that the Gentiles were also able to be part of this promise....
Jhn 1: 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Rom 9: 30 ¶ What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Jhn 1: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Do see the correlations?
Rom 10: 1 ¶ Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 ¶ For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
God bless
Gloria Blair, you agreed to this teaching as you had complimented it as all Calvinist will do. Yes, John 1:12-13 is very clear if you read the verse in its context. What does verse John 1:12 stated? (Joh 1:12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:". meaning as many as (whosoever) received (believed) in Him (Christ) , to these believers God gave His power to become the son of God. Right, this is a faith statement in verse 12 then only in John 1:13 they were considered a born-again. Agreed salvation is fully the work of God but this proved faith precedes regeneration but not as Calvin taught. Do you care to comment on this? thanks
Synergism can be dismantled in three steps:
1. In order for human free-will to be true, God cannot effect you in any way prior to you choosing Christ.
2. If God hasn't effected you, then this means you're absent the Holy Spirit.
3. Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit wrote, "No one can say, 'Jesus is Lord,' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor 12:3).
Jesus' Word
1Cor 12: 1 ¶ Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
Paul begins by mentioning SPIRITUAL GIFTS. That’s the topic. He states how they once worshipped idols which is equivalent to demons...
(1Cor 10: 20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.)
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Being that they once worshipped demons, they have the potential of being possessed by demons. When exercising spiritual gifts, they must discern whether or not they were speaking through the Holy Spirit or through demons. Demons will not call Jesus, Lord. That’s how you can tell whether it’s a demon or not.
4 ¶ Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
The lack of context is what leads people to believe in Calvinism. Consider another passage that Calvinists use which has the same idea as the one you just mentioned....
1Jhn 4: 1 ¶ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jhn 5: 1 ¶ Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
Paul was writing to the churches to help them identify the Gnostic heresy that was so prevalent at that time. These Gnostics has invaded the congregations and were false teachers. Paul gave a specific test for Gnostics just like he had given a specific test for demons in 1Cor 12. Notice that the test for Gnostics in 1Jhn 5 doesn’t work for demons.....
Mar 1: 23 ¶ And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out,
24 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.
Demons believe that Jesus is the Christ (as do JWs and Catholics). Gnostics do not. Therefore this test is specific to the problem being addressed by John.
I hope we can talk about more scripture. Bibliognostic doesn’t like to discuss the bible with me anymore. I hope you will.
Have you ever tried using your interpretation of 1Cor 12:3 in real life? Try asking a JW or Mormon or Catholic to say that Jesus is Lord. If they can, I guess that means they’re saved.
Do you see how absurd Calvinist interpretations are?
@@evanu6579 , Can you say Jesus is Lord absent the Holy Spirit?
Jesus' Word
Generally speaking, yes....
Matt 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matt 25: 11 ¶ Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
But if you mean within the context of 1Cor 12:3, then no. If someone who has had a past of worshipping demons, and if they attempt to exercise spiritual gifts by speaking in the Spirit, but it’s a demonic spirit that speaks, that demonic spirit will not say that Jesus is Lord.
@@evanu6579
Actually, you can't because the Father has to reveal the true meaning to you about Who the Holy Spirit is!
The Jehovah Witnesses speaks about Jesus, is their beliefs the same as the Christian doctrine of the Personhood of Christ?
They believe the Holy Spirit is an active force, not a Person of the Godhead.
The Apostle Paul describes those who acquire a different teachings that's not rooted in the Scriptures!
2 Corinthians 11:1-4 KJV
Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. [2] For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. [3] But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. [4] For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
To truly say these words, Jesus is Lord, is by the Power and Teachings of God the Holy Spirit granted to you by His Father in Heaven! John 14:26
built4speed101
Could you address the passages I have given please? Men and women who never knew Jesus, called Him Lord.
I did address the one passage that says we can’t. If you disagree with my interpretation then I would happy to discuss it with you.
If you had brought up another passage that was relevant to the discussion I would most certainly address it but it seems you gave more of an opinion (or maybe I’m misunderstanding your post)
Thanks and God bless.
If "Deo volente" (If God wills), someday would love to visit your church and listen to you teach. Excellent!
I don't know many sources where Biblical truth is taught, thank you brothers...
As Dr Sproul suggested it in his series on the Doctrines of Grace, I prefer to use these names for TULIP: radical corruption, sovereign election, definite atonement, effectual grace & preservation of the saints.
Anyway, thanks pastor Jeff for this helpful series. God bless you!
When pastor Jeff was talking about the crucifixion of Christ, this verse from "man of sorrows" came to mind : " guilty, vile, and helpless we, spotless lamb of God was he, full atonement can it be, hallelujah, what a saviour!"
I was an arminian.. then i read my bible.
Luther Kayban
What was the most convincing passage that led you to believe in Calvinism?
Evan U Romans 9 for sure
Luther Kayban
I wrote a short paper on Romans 9. I would like your feedback on it. It will have to be in two parts.
Part One......
Romans 9
Romans 9:7-22, I believe to be discussing those chosen for the Messianic lineage. This special class of people were given special treatment from God. He was merciful to their rebellion, unlike how He dealt with other nations. Paul begins the chapter with a look at these promises that were given to his people…
Romans 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
……Paul is looking at the history of the Israelites of whom he has continual sorrow, in that they have not believed in the Messiah. He then goes on to make a comparison between the Israelites of his day and those to whom these promises were given, the word “neither” being the comparison…..
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
The “seed” being the central focus of all the promises, that being Jesus Christ…….
Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Paul then goes on to show through whom this promise would come…..
Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
The phrase “The elder shall serve the younger” is to signify the blessings and favouritism of God upon those whom the promise (Christ) would come…..
Gen 25:23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
The phrase “the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth”, is to continue with the comparison he made in vv6 & vv7. There is however a major difference that Paul later discusses (pertaining to unbelieving Israel)……
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
The election that takes place now requires repentance, where as the gifts and calling which the fathers received, did not. Therefore Jacob was chosen within the womb, whereas we are chosen by faith. Both are void of works.
Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
The phrase “Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated”, shows how God fulfilled His promises towards Israel…..
Gen 22:17 ……. and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
This phrase is taken from Malachi chapter 1…
2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.
What was it that Edom did to deserve such a fate?……
Eze 35:15 As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
Had Israel done any works of righteousness that they deserved a better destination? Let's look at what was spoken about Israel a little further on in Malachi…..
Mal 1:6 A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?
7 Ye offer polluted bread upon mine altar; and ye say, Wherein have we polluted thee? In that ye say, The table of the LORD is contemptible.
8 And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the LORD of hosts.
God gave special favouritism towards Israel, because of the promised Messiah…..
Jer 30:11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.
Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Luther Kayban
Part Two........
The phrase “I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.” is taken from Exodus, and shows how God spared the lives of the Israelites despite their wicked rebellion. Let's look at the events that led up to God giving mercy, and compare it to Romans 9:22-23, which I believe to be an reiteration of what took place……
Exo 32:8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
Israel were vessels of wrath prepared for destruction. (Rom 9:22c)
Exo 32:9 And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:
10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.
Rom 9:22a What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known,…..
Exo 32:11 And Moses besought the LORD his God, and said, LORD, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand?
12 Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.
13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever.
Moses makes his plea for Israel, based upon His promises to the forefathers. The promise being the Christ who would bring salvation to those that believe. (Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,)
Exo 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
Romans 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
This event in Exodus 32, ended with this……
Exo 33:17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
So we see God spared the lives of the nation Israel and heeded to the requests of Moses. Mercy and compassion.
Romans 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Paul continues with more comparisons, within his comparison. He shows how Edom on one hand received full judgement for their wicked ways, yet Israel received mercy for theirs. Pharaoh was hardened so as to receive ten plagues worth of judgement.
God had different purposes for different nations, so He dealt differently with each one. The purpose for Pharaoh and the judgement given to him, was that the power of God might be made known to all nations. Israel was given mercy in order that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy.
Romans 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
The potter certainly does have power over the clay. The bible tells us the method in which God makes His vessels…….
Jer 18:3 Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.
4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
5 Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;
10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.
11 Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: return ye now every one from his evil way, and make your ways and your doings good.
2Tim 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
I would like to finish with an attempt to dispel any lingering belief that Romans 9:1-22 is discussing salvation.
In vv7, Paul begins to list those who are chosen by God. If this was God choosing for salvation, then we would be forced to believe that all Israel, which was chosen, had eternal life…….
Deu 10:15 Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
Yet scripture tells us that they weren't all saved……
Heb 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Besides this, there were also men in the bible who were not part of this chosen group, yet they seemed to have a right relationship with God. Men like Job, Lot, Jethro the Midianite priest, the Queen of Sheba, and so on.
To conclude that the focus of Paul's discussion is upon whom God chose for salvation, makes little sense
God bless
Luther Kayban
Did you read my posts? I haven't heard from you.
Pastor Jeff,
I truly thank God for your commitment to preaching His word and speaking the truth. I have listened to this message no less than 1/2 dozen times, pausing to look up the scriptures, take notes, and pray. I have been a Christian for quite a few years, and I (until a friend told me about your RUclips channel) had only heard of a "reformed Christian" once, maybe twice. And as I'm sure you are aware is usually the case, they were spoken about as If they had fallen into a false doctrine. I was led to believe that Salvation was something that we asked God for, and something that we proffer up to the lost and hope that they make the "right choice". This message has wrecked me. It has challenged me to pour through the scriptures, to study the Reformation, the five points of Calvinism and to see (REALLY see for the first time) the Sovereignty of God. May God bless and grow your ministry - For His Names Sake! - To God be the glory. - "Soli Deo Gloria"
Listening to any sermon 1/2 dozen times can convince you of anything. That doesnt mean its true. Calvinism is not biblical and the Calvinist uses lots of psychology to persuade people and throws in alittle bible to make it sound correct. Theres always a half-truth in any good lie!
KRITIKOS, since you have studied the five points of Calvinism, you must have come across "predestination". I guessed since you find his teaching to be sound then you must be a Calvinist. In calvinism it says God is Sovereign and I agreed.
They go on and claimed that God before the foundation of the world either predestinated some for salvation and passover the rest of humanity ie ended up in hell ultimately because of their sins which I disagreed.
If Calvinism teaching on predestination is true as claimed and believed by you, appreciate if you could furnished me with some verses in the bible, in order to support this notion of Calvinism. May I suggest we stick on the "predestination" principle of Calvinism for the time being. Go ahead and thank you KRITIKOS.
What an amazing message! Johnny Cage just killed it😊👊🏼
Robert Bordevik fatality.
The Bible teaches both God’s sovereignty and man’s free will. Why not just accept that tension as a mystery instead of calling yourself a Calvinist and coming down on the side of God being completely sovereign? Scripture clearly teaches both.
Steve Tucker thats where i am rn
Galatians 2:21, “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”
Yes, and your free will never choose God over your sin. That is every humans nature. You always choose according to your nature. All men are spiritually DEAD until the Spirit quickens you, by GRACE. If you are responsible for any part of it, then there is absolutely no need for His grace.
Thank you for posting it!
I'm not a calvinist but Jeff Durbin is blessed by God, he is annointed and I'm thankful for God empowering him to preach the word.
Ify Nsoha
God doesn't anoint people to preach heresy......
Job 42:7 ¶ And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.
The Bibliognost
I respond to many different types of heretical teachings.
1. Calvinism
2. Hebrew roots/Torah observance
3. Denial of the Trinity
These are the main ones. Theses seem to be the most prominent cults within “mainstream” Christianity today.
Synergism means a cooperation between man and God to bring about salvation. Monergism means that God, through the Holy Spirit, works to bring about the salvation of an individual through Spiritual regeneration, irrespective of the individuals cooperating...
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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Love it! God is awesome forever!
Linda Keaton, by your remarks you must have agreed to this teaching on Calvinism. I guessed since you find his teaching to be sound then you must be a Calvinist. In calvinism it says God is Sovereign and I agreed. They go on and claimed that God before the foundation of the world either predestinated some for salvation and passover the rest of humanity ie ended up in hell ultimately because of their sins which I disagreed.
If Calvinism teaching on predestination is true as claimed and believed by you, appreciate if you could furnished me with some verses in the bible, in order to support this notion of Calvinism. May I suggest we stick on the "predestination" principle of Calvinism for the time being. Go ahead and thank you Linda.
Very well explained. Thanks, brothers.
Thank you for all you do.
God bless you!
Great message, keep it up, Jeff!!!!!!📜
Ryan Wilson, you claimed it to be a great message then I guessed since you find his teaching to be sound then you must be a Calvinist. In calvinism it says God is Sovereign and I agreed. They go on and claimed that God before the foundation of the world either predestinated some for salvation and passover the rest of humanity ie ended up in hell ultimately because of their sins which I disagreed.
If Calvinism teaching on predestination is true as claimed and believed by you, appreciate if you could furnished me with some verses in the bible, in order to support this notion of Calvinism. May I suggest we stick on the "predestination" principle of Calvinism for the time being. Go ahead and thank you Ryan.
Amen Jeff!
Around 8 years ago I was seriously searching for genuine biblical Christianity. I started watching debates on RUclips. Eventually I discovered James White. To be honest, I hated him at first because I was KJV only. I saw him as a worker of evil trying to confuse people. But his arguments were undeniable. I hated it but he was right. So then I listened to him on other subjects and found him to be consistent in all of his teachings. This is how I eventually encountered Calvinism. I laid awake at night wrestling with the doctrines of grace and the sovereignty of God. I slowly came to terms with the 5 points over a couple of years, by listening to him teach as well as other Reformed men who I found through James White. Limited atonement was the hard one for me because of my traditions. Now I love James White and I thank God for him and all of these wonderful people I found as a result. RC Sproul, John MacArthur, John Piper, Jeff Durbin, Douglas Wilson, Jim McClarty, Tim Conway, and so many other God-given ministers. Thanks to God for letting me find these ministries.
Firstname Lastname, by your remarks you must be a devout Calvinist. I guessed since you find his teaching to be sound then you must be a Calvinist.
In calvinism it says God is Sovereign and I agreed. They go on and claimed that God before the foundation of the world either predestinated some for salvation and passover the rest of humanity ie ended up in hell ultimately because of their sins which I disagreed.
If Calvinism teaching on predestination is true as claimed and believed by you, appreciate if you could furnished me with some verses in the bible, in order to support this notion of Calvinism. May I suggest we stick on the "predestination" principle of Calvinism for the time being. Go ahead and thank you Firstname.
@@93556108 have you read Roman’s at all and do not see predestination?
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Predestination not only appears in Romans but also in the Ephesians. So what about it? What is your message? Thank you.
@@BobbyFiermonti why the silence? Are you trying to promote Calvin's double-predestination. Go ahead and support your doctrine. I am waiting. Thank you.
@@93556108 I didn’t see your first message. I am not a Calvinist in the term Calvinist. I believe in predestination, gods complete sovereignty, I believe in dispensationalism, and I believe in ultimate reconciliation.
I do not fit neither does my congregation believe in the traditional orthodox of Christianity, I think it’s been corrupted and manipulated. Not the Bible but man’s interpretation of the Bible through mid translation and again interpretation based on the mistranslation.
Yes God is calling a firstfruit only right now but will eventually save all each in his order…God is sovereign over all flesh…but He is the one who is calling and doing the work…the law is a shadow of all the good things to come..he is now calling a priesthood as He did in the shadow…we are in the heavenlies as a holy priesthood being made ready to judge the world and angels. God truly elects…you have missing pieces to the total truth..for as He says every knee will bow to him in heaven and earth! All things will praise him! His hand is not too short to save and show who He is!
Thank you
Very excellent!!
I haven't been able to make it to church because work. thank you for your sermons. they've been very insightful and uplifting.
great sermon
it took me years and much study and prayer to grasp calvinism I came out of apostolic pentecostalism
Powerful! One of the very best messages on God's sovereignty I've heard next to AW Pink. Keep up the good works brother! God bless you and yours!
This is so cool. I'm working on testing Calvanism against the Bible. This will be helpful as well as "The Potter's Freedom" by Dr. James White.
Although I am not a Calvinist, theologically speaking, I have always admired James White passion and commitment to the @t our Lord Jesus Christ put it , there are 2 roads one leads to salvation and the other leads to condemnation.God let you decide which road you want to take.The choice is ours to make.Jesus said he will knock on your door (heart) if you let him in he will come in and dwell in you (Holy Spirit), is up to us if we let Jesus in or not.Jesus will not break the door and force himself in, Satan would force himself in but God never would do it!.So you see we have the choice to either accept Jesus into our hearts or to reject him, God would never ever impose himself to us by force. Pre destination eliminates that choice and in a way give those that reject the Gospel a reason to blame God and not their own choice for their demise.
Someone predestined to go to hell and not be among the chosen would argue: since I was predestined from birth not receive the Gospel and to reject it, what was God purpose in the first place when He created me?.Would have not been better for God not to allow me to be born in the first place than to suffer eternal condemnation for something (Jesus/salvation/the gospel) that I never had no other choice what so ever but to reject it?.The micro second I was born I was lost and condemned right there and then, that is what predestination means!.When Adam listened to Satan and sinned against God Adam had a choice of either reject Satan's words and obey God.God did not made the choice for Adam, Adam sinned out of free will!.God could have stopped Adam right there and then but he let Adam make his choice!.The same way God let us make the choice of accepting His salvation through the atonement of Jesus sacrifice in the cross.God give the same opportunity to all mankind to be save, the choice will always be ours to either be saved or be condemned by accepting or rejecting God offer.
29:18 God cannot manipulate the sinner's free will, but the sinner can? Other fallen, sinful creatures (preachers and evangelists) can? God cannot, but fallen creatures can?
This is why I am a Calvinist. There is only one Sovereign will in the universe, and it belongs to God.
If the reverse be true, God is helpless in the face of circumstances and the free-will choices of man. I think Scripture argues the opposite.
Does this doctrine have problems or, rather, troubling implications? Yes, for us mortals. But the alternatives are just as, if not more, problematic.
IN DISCUSSING THIS WITH A FRIEND RECENTLY, HE SAID, "SIN IS 'PASSED ON' FROM ADAM, NOT FROM GOD." I AM SURE HE IS NOT ALONE IN THINKING THIS. HOWEVER, THIS IS ILLOGICAL. IF GOD IS TOTALLY IN CONTROL OF ALL THINGS, HE MUST BE RESPONSIBLE FOR "PASSING ON" SIN. IT IS INTERESTING TO ME THAT MOST WHO TEACH THAT GOD IS NOT RESPONSIBLE (I.E. "MOST REFORMED CHURCHES") ARE ALL ABOUT THE "SOVEREIGNTY" OF GOD, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS ISSUE, ALL OF A SUDDEN GOD IS NOT IN CONTROL. GOD BLESS YOU.
No Rulers, since you are a confirmed Calvinist, please help me to be enlightened on the issue of "predestination".
In calvinism it says God is Sovereign and I agreed. They go on and claimed that God before the foundation of the world either predestinated some for salvation and passover the rest of humanity ie ended up in hell ultimately because of their sins which I disagreed.
If Calvinism teaching on predestination is true as claimed and believed by you, appreciate if you could furnished me with some verses in the bible, in order to support this notion of Calvinism. May I suggest we stick on the "predestination" principle of Calvinism for the time being. Go ahead and thank you No Rulers.
These are just a few of the MANY verses that speak of people making a choice; where Calvinism says, there is "No choosing" God decides. Isaiah 56:4 says, "For this is what the Lord says: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who CHOOSE what pleases me..." Isaiah 65:12 says, "...I spoke but you did not listen. You did evil in my sight and CHOSE what displeases me.” Isaiah 7:15 says, "...He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and CHOOSE the right..." Proverbs 3:31 says, "... Envy thou not the oppressor, and CHOOSE none of his ways." 1 Chronicles 21:11 says, "So Gad went to David and said to him, “This is what the Lord says: ‘Take your CHOICE: three years of famine, three months of being swept away before your enemies, with their swords overtaking you, or three days of the sword of the Lord..."
Ugh God is just so good (:
Thanks Pastor Jeff for this series, I'm looking forward to hearing the rest of it. I'm not trying to be picky, but the acronym TULIP didn't come from Dort, it came after. But your point still stands, the principles of TULIP did come from Dort's response. If you find documentation saying otherwise, or if I misunderstood what you said--my bad :)
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Psalms 89:34
34 My covenant I will not break, Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.
Sovereignty - is everything done outside of scripture
Well done sir! Jeff Durbin is my hero!
Tom Wilcox, since the teacher is your hero then you must be a Calvinist. I guessed since you find his teaching to be sound then you must be a Calvinist. In calvinism it says God is Sovereign and I agreed.
They go on and claimed that God before the foundation of the world either predestinated some for salvation and passover the rest of humanity ie ended up in hell ultimately because of their sins which I disagreed.
If Calvinism teaching on predestination is true as claimed and believed by you, appreciate if you could furnished me with some verses in the bible, in order to support this notion of Calvinism. May I suggest we stick on the "predestination" principle of Calvinism for the time being. Go ahead and thank you Tom.
What bible does Jeff use? Looks like a Cambridge Wide Margin. Also, which translation is that?
When testifying to the lost, do you ever about the Chosen vs.the non-chosen?
Label what you want this man pulls only from the scriptures those calling him a false prophet....and he has denounced that he is a profit, just an un worthy sinner trying to bring glory to god through god these people need to read their bible
Please explain romans 4:12. Also why did jesus argue with the Pharisees so passionatly. He knew if they were the "elect" or not.
Mitchell Jenkins I have asked several Calvinist this...they can’t give a good answer...
Why would Jesus argue with the Pharisees if he knew they were not elect?
Well when did he truly try to convince them that what he was saying was true? He most often responded to there questions with a question or responded with an answer as to what they had no idea what he meant.
I don’t think he ever argued to the point of trying to convince them or win them over.
I am neither a Calvinist, nor an Arminian, nor a Lordship salvationist. I am a bible believer. When we trust Jesus as the only way of salvation by grace. we are sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption. Ephesians 1:13-14 and Ephesians 4:30. We are given eternal life as a free gift. Romans 6:23.
Why would you persevere in something you already have, eternal life? That makes no sense. Second Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, He abideth faithful, He can not deny Himself. His holy spirit that lives in the believer that can never be condemned again. John 3:18. We have nothing to boast in because Jesus paid our sin debt in full and we did nothing for it but believe He did it for us. But we do have to believe it to be saved.
Does God give us the faith to believe it? No, He gave us His word to believe. John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent me, that ALL that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him. may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
If you have eternal life now, then you will have eternal life forever. Otherwise it would not be eternal.
Are you going to use that excuse before God that you could not believe it because He did not give you the faith to believe His word He is going to tell you, I gave you my word, John 6:47 but you would not believe it. Not Gods fault that you did not believe it.
Calvinism is a false doctrine of believing a false system that Christ did not die for the sins of the whole world, First John 2:2 but only those He gave faith to. Faith is the one requirement for salvation by grace. Romans 3:26-28 Faith is not a work. It is faith without works. I can boast in my faith that Jesus died and paid my sin debt in full and I can never be condemned again because he gave me eternal life as a free gift by faith alone. Romans 4:5 He gave me His word to believe, not the faith to believe it.
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, (First Corinthians 15:1-4) for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BLIEVETH, (not chosen) to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Jeff is a nice guy, just deceived. Matthew 7:15-23 Many will come before me on that day and tell me about all their good works. They call me Lord, but have not done the will of my Father in heaven. John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that ALL that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
Jeff does not believe you can just believe and be saved. He believes you can not believe what Jesus said unless God gives you the faith to believe it. So he believes you can read John 6:47, but you can not believe it unless God gives you the faith to believe it. God gave me eternal life because I believed it. Not because He gave me the faith to believe it.
Its really a sad thing the we as human beings have placed these labels on ourselves Calvinists, Armenians , Catholics... Baptists, Pentecostal,etc very sad... if you stick to the bible and leave religion traditions alone you will be fine read the gospel of John its everything that religion is not
Ricky Preston did you watch the whole sermon?
In Jeremiah 7 God says, "People built places to sacrifice their children (in fire) to foreign gods, and He (God) says, "I didn't command this, nor did it enter my mind." So who do we believe Jeff Durbin, RC Sproul, James White, John Piper or God Almighty and His Holy Word, the Bible?
uaaahhh so good brilliant
hello from sunny Spain👏
No grace, love, or mercy necessary in Calvinism, very sad.
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Is this a joke
I am saved because I chose to receive Christ as Lord and Savior after I heard the gospel.
The. Holy Spirit had to quicken you for you to hear the gospel
Rom.8:29 "For whom He foreknew, He also predestinated..." Firstly, God is outside of time and space. Because He is, He has already seen the beginning from the end. He has already seen what you and I will do tomorrow. Because of His vantage point outside of time and space, and knowing what we will ever do, He can then predestine us because He knows who will receive His Son Jesus and who will reject Jesus. Secondly, based on this foreknowledge He will make you either a vessel fit for His wrath or a vessel fit for glory. God predestines us according to His foreknowledge!
God in his sovereignty imparted to man Freewill upon creation.
Dr. Leighton Flowers has the best, biblical refutation of Calvinism in modern times. Apologia Studios and Jeff Durbin put out some stellar vids, but they drop the ball hard in this arena. Would be pleased to see a one-on-one with Jeff and Leighton.
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_now this I say that every one of you saith, I am of Arminius, and I of Calvin_
I understand and believe in the Sovereignty of God and the doctrine of grace and He predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will. But in Calvin's doctrine on double-predestination which every Calvinist had to adhere to, but it does not aligned with the bible. Do allow me to share with you this excerpt from Calvin, Section 5 in Chapter 21 which stated:
"All are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of these ends, we say that he has been predestinated to life or to death."
Would any Calvinist like to comment on predestination as taught by Calvin on whether the bible affirmed such notion. Thank you.
Calvinism - the God who is able, but not willing.
Armianism - the God who is willing, but not able.
Romans 9:14-16 (NASB)
14 What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
*:>16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
bigzack1011 this is about Israel
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Romans 9:13 KJV
The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi. I have loved you, saith the Lord . Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord : yet I loved Jacob, And I hated *Esau*, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. *Whereas Edom saith*, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the Lord of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the Lord hath indignation for ever.
Malachi 1:1-4 KJV
Thus dwelt Esau in mount Seir: Esau is Edom.
Genesis 36:8 KJV
Calvinism is just another brand of works salvation.
Calvinism falsely defines repentance as turning from sins and says you need to turn from sin for salvation. Their definition of repentance makes God a sinner.
And God saw _their _*_W O R K S_*_, that they turned from their evil way;_ and *God repented* of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Jonah 3:10 KJV
Isaiah Hesed "bigzack1011 this is about Israel"
It's about how God is Sovereign, over His creation.
v18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.
What version Bible is using?
What do you say to the people who have had marry visions because i know some and my mother had a experience too (many are very spiritual or these kids from portugal and so on).So you think,its like something there is indoctranatet in the cath church or its maybe devil work and the holy marry would allow to the devil to use her in the spirituality from caths to get closer to jesus but it doesnt?!?So where i find the difference between a healing of sickness from marry =Devil or Gods grace.Because there are also many who say through marry they got get help. greetings from germany be blessed
Although I can see the arguments for Calvinism have some merit, I simply have been unable to wrap my head around the idea of a god of this nature being just.
Without true free will to choose him or the world, how could god justify being angry when some people inevitably choose to reject him? That’d be like putting a stick in your bike spokes and getting mad at the stick for stopping your bike.
Alan Jay no, because you fail to see that regardless of your actions and lack of faith, you’ve already sinned before a perfect god. The fact that God saves ANYONE is a miracle.
Brendon King Not very assuring that the god of Calvinism seems to like condemning people and using their suffering as a tool to show his “love” to others.
I don’t see how you can love a Calvinist god. It’s not love. It’s divine Stockholm syndrome.
Same question Paul addresses in Romans 9 and answers. Please read with eyes open.
Red Pill To be perfectly honest, I find Paul’s answer to be little else than a fancily worded, “don’t like it? Too bad so sad.”
And the fact that I’m strongly disagreeing with the apostle is.....terrifying me. If Calvinism is true, then I’m clearly not saved, and I don’t think I can be. I can’t love a Calvinist god, I just can’t, and that realization has shaken me to my very core. My very blood is cold as ice. If I can’t love god under this interpretation, I’m not of the elect. And if I’m not of the elect....I have no hope.
Regardless of what you believe about the doctrines of grace or election, if you truly believe in the Lord Jesus Christ that he bore your sin and rose again and treasure him in your heart you will be saved. We may disagree on many things. On who Jesus is and what he has done cannot be disputed by a professing believer. May His Grace be with you Night Watcher.@@TheNightWatcher1385
Pastor Jeff I'm struggling. I've been in church for over a decade and heard the Gospel many times. I don't know that I have believed it. Sometimes I fight sexual sin, sometimes I don't. I don't know where I am or which way is up. I feel like I'm legalistic and I see that the best I have to offer as a contrite heart is apathy for sin. I was thinking of what the hymns mean when they say Jesus died for "ruined sinners". How do I know if I've been ruined by the Gospel. I don't want to be close, i want to be in. I feel like my heart is looking for a loophole around grace. Any words (even heavy ones) would be helpful. I think to myself how Judas missed it, I don't want to miss it.
The New Covenant: Bob George
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what is the name of this pastor?
Do these Calvinists believe in holiness? in that living a holy life, or are they one of those that believe it is impossible to stop sinning people (OSAS) ?
If there was no predestination then the reality of time would have started at the fall of man not before the creation of man.
If sin ushered death then Adam and Eve were eternal beings until they sinned.
But God created time before creating them: evening and morning equaling a day.
Therefore God creating time before man who then became bound to time by sin meaning that He knew beforehand that they would sin and even revealed his plan to Adam and Eve and Lucifer which was laid before the foundations of earth and even time itself.
God is so awesome!
"If we lose these truths, we lose the Biblical gospel" (12:08).
Last time I checked, the gospel according to Matthew was still a part of the canon, and he almost always equates the gospel with the coming Kingdom of God. You don't have to be a five-point Calvinist to believe in the Biblical gospel of the Kingdom of God.
Sovereignty does not represent control over all things but the head of all things.
Acts 5:4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
Was that predetermined? or did they choose to lie?
I think Romans 9, should clear up any arminian view of salvation. Ephesians 1 also speaks specifically on predestination. That he chose us before the foundation of the world. God works all things according to his will. I hope this helps. I know it has helped me a lot. God Bless!
romans nine is about why God chose the jews as his chosen people.
rob hayhurst
Go and read from verse 6 on. Also check out Ephesians 1, where it talks about God choosing his people from the foundation of the world.
Josh Winters, by your comments you must have agreed to the doctrine of calvinism. I guessed since you find his teaching to be sound then you must be a Calvinist. In calvinism it says God is Sovereign and I agreed.
They go on and claimed that God before the foundation of the world either predestinated some for salvation and passover the rest of humanity ie ended up in hell ultimately because of their sins which I disagreed.
If Calvinism teaching on predestination is true as claimed and believed by you, appreciate if you could furnished me with some verses in the bible, in order to support this notion of Calvinism. May I suggest we stick on the "predestination" principle of Calvinism for the time being. Go ahead and thank you Josh.
As a Christian who holds to the position of Arminism I find it ridiculous that Calvinist think that we deny Gods sovereignty
what denomination is he? i'm just curious.
Reformed Baptist.
Simon Wartanian Thank you!
Reconciling the sovereignty of God and man's responsibility is not going to happen until believers are in the eternal state.
I believe God is sovereign and man has no part in salvation outside of the hand of God. The question some would ask is...can man reject the gospel if God draws them to Himself?
Eric
God's election is based upon conditions. It's all over the bible.
The two i have to put Infront of TULIP Is The Sovereignty Of YHWH And The HOLINESS Of YHWH; S.H.T.U.L.I.P one could say Attributes Of GOD First. And i do think Particular Redemption is better put. Grace, Peace, n LOVE to all the elect IN KING YESHUA†
Usually I really like Jeff's material, and while he does a good job presenting his own case, I don't think he represents those of us with different soteriologies very well. There are a lot of really smart people who affirm his standpoint but there are also a lot of very intelligent people who do not. I think molinism is really a good place an intellectually honest Christian could end up at if they study their bible wholly without any preconceived notions.
Also, on the idea of God's sovereignty, I think people have a confusion in their heads between deciding to believe whether God is ABLE to do anything and everything, or whether he actually DOES anything and everything that happens. Calvinism seems to suggest that God is in control of everything to the point that he actually decides every single thing that ever happens including my posting this comment. But God being sovereign doesn't necessitate that he orchestrates everything that ever comes to pass. He can still be completely sovereign by simply having the ability to do anything or everything. You guys should check out Dr. William Lane Craig or Leighton Flowers if you care to entertain another side of the coin.
EDIT: changed a plural to a singular
Everything is based around salvation, and I can agree that most of what we read in scripture is hard to swallow, but that does not mean I get to cut out some and keep others. Molinism is ok in some respects, but is not biblical in many other respects. I can say that if someone sees that we are Totally Depraved, in need of irresistible grace, and that because of that grace we will be kept until the end of our trails here on earth, then they see true scripture. You don't have to see the scope of atonement, or election, but in order to be mindful of who you are and who God is, you must see the others clearly.
Free will is an idiom.
Are you able to choose between different things? Yes but you must choose between those things only ,,, that’s not free will.
Example you can choose to go to certain colleges and get accepted to 4 now you must choose which of the 4 your going to attend. Is that free will? Or is that the ability to choose? Your not free to will anything you want, you are able to make a decision and a choice but you don’t have FREE WILL. Some people would like to become a super star actor do they have FREE WILL to do that? NO but when ever God wills something in scripture guess what??? HE GETS HIS WILL DONE EVERY SINGLE TIME!!! THAT IS FREE WILL!!
We think making choices and decisions are free will, that’s not free will.
We do not have FREE WILL we have the ability to make decisions and choices , however it is GODS WILL that gives us those choices presented to us and we choose from what is offered to us, ITS ALWAYS GODS WILL NOT MANS WILL.
You know who wants to be like God and have FREE WILL? …. Satan… the anti christ.
We always are told to prayer TO GOD THAT HIS WILL BE DONE…. if we have free will and we pray that GODS WILL BE DONE… we’ll then we’re does that leave our free will??
Think about that
Sorry but I'm a bit lost, but how does mercy, and justice work at the same time? Just curious, what with them contradicting each other n'all. I'm an Atheist, but also a follower of Jeff, for different reasons.
So, justice and mercy meet at the cross. God executed justice on Jesus, so that he could have mercy on everyone else.
A man had to receive the penalty for the sins of mankind. Jesus was that man. However, Jesus was not "just" a man, because God said that he would not punish one man for the sins of another (Ezek 18:20). Jesus is God. So, God the Trinity absorbed the penalty Himself.
So, justice is satisfied (a penalty was issued on God, as man, for the sins of mankind). And mercy is satisfied (those who deserve the penalty are forgiven as long as they believe and thereby claim the sacrifice).
The Calvinist sees also that, "God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory" (Romans 9:22-23). God determined in advance that some people would not believe and would not receive the sacrifice, in order that His wrath and mercy can be clearly demonstrated.
Well Zac I'm sorry but that doesn't mean anything to me. Then there's the made in his image text, how do I reconcile that when I accept evolution to be as much of a fact as, say, gravity for instance. I would have to unsee so many things that contradict the creation hypothesis. And if the bible is the true word of god, why isn't there any mention of Pangea, geologically, or why is there no mention of our ancestors ie Heidelbergensis, Homo Erectus, Paranthropus and of course Lucy, Austrolopithicus, biologically. There are people who still look similar to what (Lucy) Austrolopithicus, would have looked like. Some Native Australian Aborigines have the same sort of features as Lucy would have had, ie the back sloping forehead, the sunken eyes. Which is compelling stuff to a rational mind. Then there's the fact that god said he wouldn't let me into his congregation because I'm a bitched, lol, I know right. He goes on to say, not until your 10th generation shall you enter the congregation of the lord, (deuteronomy 23-2). I would love to believe that I could see my deceased family members again in some sort of afterlife,but that's as far as the wishful thinking goes I'm afraid, for me of course. But even if this particular god, the christian one, I presume, was real I don't really think I'd want to follow his teachings, I mean the love thy neighbour and don't do to others what you wouldn't want done to you are things I cherish, but I got them from reading Confucius' text, which pre dates any rumour of the bible by centuries. So you see my problem. I live in an area of England where god is just not an issue at all, but we still help each other out and look out for one another, and I always put a few coins in the cancer collection box. This is without god.
Free_Stinker
Sorry that explanation didn't mean anything to you. Since you're not asking for clarification, I assume that you weren't actually very curious about it. (I'm wondering why you asked that, instead of diving right into your array of other, unrelated excuses for rejecting God).
Oh well. Just for your information, before I get into this, I'm not an evidential apologist. I honestly haven't studied it much. I take the presuppositional approach. So apart from my immediate response, I don't plan on getting into an internet copy-paste battle with you about specific points of evidence for/against evolution.
First of all, you mention Pangea. On this, I recommend watching the lecture series called "the waters cleaved". It's available on RUclips. I haven't watched it personally, because I don't care much about this argument, but I hear it's excellent.
Second, you mentioned the fossil record. So, from my limited understanding, there are two problems with the fossils you mentioned. First of all, we don't have very many fossils. If evolution were true, we should be kicking around intermediate fossils in our back yard, but we're not. This is a serious issue acknowledged by secular scientists. The current explanation for our lack of fossil evidence is that evolution occurred in "bursts" during various natural disasters (there's a more technical term for this but I don't remember it. Basically the evidence is that there is no evidence).
This leads to the specific examples you mentioned. If they are indeed intermediate human fossils, then that would force us to give up the "burst" explanation, because there we have several generations of potentially incompatible species breeding within a very short time and leaving fossils very far from one another. But ignoring that, what you now have are a few fragments of potentially weird skulls, collected and combined each from its own wide expanse of land, extrapolated by admittedly biased scientists into exactly what they hoped that they would find. And even if they extrapolated correctly, it's more likely that the skulls are just regular deformed humans (which we have plenty of), and possibly from those nations you mentioned. It's not compelling enough to overthrow the philosophical problems inherent in the system on which their conclusions depend.
You mentioned that you are "a bitched". I'll be honest -- I don't know what the word means in this context, but I assume that it means you are a child from incest or something? (based on the verse you mentioned). To respond to your concern without getting too deep into covenant theology, Deuteronomy 23:2 pertains to the old covenant community of Israel, and it's not directly applicable to your current situation before God (Hosea 2:23). You and your family are able to accept Jesus as your Lord and be saved (Rom 8:1, Gal 3:23). It would be a good idea for you to have a more detailed discussion about this with one of your local pastors.
You gave the (I apologize, but truly silly) argument that since Confucius predates the Bible, this somehow discredits Christianity. You must realize that "Love thy neighbor" was a command issued close to 1000 years before Confucius lived, right? Sure, Confucius predates the New Testament, but he doesn't predate the religion, which is a product of several millennia of interaction with God.
Finally, you said that you and some fellow non-Christians do good things. Good! No Christian will tell you that you are incapable of helping poor people simply by virtue of you being non-Christian. The issue is, you have no ultimate justification for your acts of selflessness. Is it just because Confucius told you to do it? Certainly not. What makes his opinion better than anyone else's? Do you suppose that drug-lords are experiencing less pleasure than you, because they have more sex and do more drugs? If we are Darwinists, then they are proving themselves to be more "fit to survive" by bearing more children than you. If we evolved from the soup, then your lifestyle is intrinsically no better than theirs (or even worse). But the fact that you mention that you do good things proves that you appeal to a transcendent morality, which you will not fully account for without Christ.
And that was meant to make more sense. Their is no argument over Pangea, it just simply was. You can prove this yourself by measuring continental drift and just reverse it and you have Pangea. It's no coincidence that if you look at a map of the world the east coast of America and the west coast of europe look like they could fit together like a jigsaw, multply that coincidence by the amount of countries that made up Pangea and you have a hell of a lot of coincidences. Their are 100's of examples of Austrolopithicus, Lucy was just the 1st one. So it's a bit disingenuous to suggest that we've only found fragments of skulls, and they're probably disfigured human skulls. A bitched is born out of wedlock. And if you follow the commandments you can't throw the old out just because it can be debunked by 1st graders. It's either gods word or it is not gods word. The new testament is evidence that humans have more morals than god, otherwise why say it doesn't matter what god said. Zac just the museum where near where I live as 1000's of fossils and that's just one museum. It's because you presuppose, your stuck rigid because of it.
Free_Stinker
So, your statements about Pangea are based on the assumption that the continents have always been drifting at the same rate. Did you watch the video I told you to look up?
100s of examples of Austrolopithicus? I wasn't aware. That actually doesn't affect the bulk of my argument.
As for the commandments; have you ever wondered why modern Christians aren't sacrificing? Why we don't strictly observe the Sabath anymore? Why we aren't trying to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem? Why we wear clothes with mixed threads? Do you think that for the past 2000 years, Christians have been completely ignoring the majority of their own Holy Book, which they believe contains God's very words? As if you're the first person to come up with the novel idea that the Old Testament matters? Really?
There is a good answer for why several OT commandments are not observed today. It's long, but I'll do my best to give it to you in a RUclips comment if you really want. That's why I told you to go see your pastor.
1000s of fossils at your local museum isn't enough to account for the trillions of years of intermediate species and natural disasters required for evolution to have occurred the way atheists wish it did.
Here's a question for you. Why do you believe that the evidence has meaning which can be objectively ascertained? That is, where do you get the idea that you are able to draw logical conclusions which are correct?
I would love to ask any Calvinist this question>>How do you know
you are one of the chosen? That is why I debunk Calvinism.
Romans 9 is about God's Election of Israel, as His chosen race. (Rom9:3-4)
Really??? That’s what Romans 9 is about?
@@BobbyFiermonti As stated above, God's election of israel as his chosen nation
what denomination is he ?
francisco vasquez Jeff said in a video that he would be considered a reformed Baptist. Apologia, from what I can tell, is more about getting out the gospel of Christ and Salvation and isn't restricted to one denomination. I could be wrong though. But Jeff would be Reformed Baptist