Calvinism Sermon: Total Depravity (Part 2 in series)
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- What are the Five Points of Calvinism? Do the Doctrines of Grace have anything, ultimately, to do with a man named John Calvin? Or, are they truly biblical and find their foundation in the Scriptures themselves? In this message, Pastor Jeff Durbin (Apologia Church/Radio/TV) teaches for our series on the Doctrines of Grace. This message was on the first letter of the acrostic, TULIP: Total Depravity.
How sovereign is God? Is He mostly sovereign or completely sovereign? How important is this particular issue? Does it really matter? Are the Scriptures unclear? What is the condition of fallen human beings? Are our wills 'free' or are we enslaved to sin?
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Развлечения
The Lord made Himself known to me early one morning, in a very profound "Saul to Paul" type of way, whilst sitting completely broken in my bedroom. I was an athiest. I was broken because my wife of 16 years had asked for a divorce and my heart was completely shattered because our 5 year old son was about to lose his family...I reached out to a God that I didn't even believe in. I just mumbled some words. I expected nothing but something completely supernatural happened in that very moment! This energy, this power, this presence FILLED me! It was not scary at all. It was GOD!! To say that life changed from that moment forward would be an understatement! One thing was so humbly clear though. What happened that morning wasn't something that I made happen. God "chose" to make Himself known to me and I knew it. I didn't know the Bible and I certainly had never heard of Calvinism but as God continued leading me He fed me bits and pieces of truth. Things that didn't quite line up with the preaching that I had heard in my younger days about just who God is and how He redeems.... God has given me an AMAZING testimony! However, I discover more and more all of the time that my testimony isn't about me it's about God and His Son Jesus Christ. Learning the truths contained in The Doctrines of Grace has been so freeing! They have been confirmation of all God has done in me and the understanding of His Grace that he has bestowed upon me. I no longer feel that I have to "work" to stay in good standing with God! I am FREE to let Christ live through me and God sees His Son and not the filthy being that I am! I live by the guiding hand of the Holy Spirit and that is where my fruits are produced. Praise the Lord!
".I reached out to a God that I didn't even believe in." Exactly. So you're not a Calvinist because they claim you cannot reach out. You're a Christian. Yes, God makes Himself known and then we choose to accept that or not. I am someone else that grew up atheist. It took about a dozen or so of these experiences for me to finally accept and repent. (I'm quite stubborn). It was very obvious that God was chasing after me, but also very obvious that God would never force me against my will. If it's not my choice to repent then all of it is meaningless. Jesus stands at the door and knocks - it's up to us to answer. Revelation 3:20
" I no longer feel that I have to 'work' to stay in good standing with God! " Well that's a slippery slope to false belief. If you live in sin after accepting Christ you will not be in good standing. We are always in bondage while on this earth, no matter what. We are born into bondage to sin. Jesus paid the price to purchase us so that we can be slaves to righteousness instead if we choose to accept that offer. But it's still bondage. (Romans 6:18) If we are not serving God, we are serving sin. Jesus clearly says that you must do the will of God to get into Heaven. Jesus also says we must be righteous to get into Heaven and that means to serve God. The free and gracious gift of salvation means that we get our sinful record wiped clean, *_AND_* that Jesus Christ indwells to give us the desires and ability to be righteous. I think you were kind of getting at that, saying that Christ lives through you but even if you get it right in your own life, saying something to the effect of "my actions don't matter to God" can be very misleading to others and sounds very much like a license to sin and to avoid service. I recommend Malachi 3:13-17
Praise God!!
The Lord opened
Your heart
Praise Jesus!
Glory to God!
Amazing testimony
Funny how people post irrelevant comments at the moment the video is posted without watching the video first.
The doctrines of Grace are so wonderful.
Praise God for this edifying teaching founded in the Bible.
100% agree with your comment!
Full Counsel Ministries ~ Saschvina
This is a misrepresentation of Calvinism man..
Nah, if I have a problem with something in the world, I don't take it up with God.. I confront the people and call them to repentance. :-P
And you're right. He allowed them to post the heretical comment to make known the riches of His mercy towards vessels of wrath which deny His sovereignty.
Full Counsel Ministries ~ Saschvina well put and very mature--it was difficult for me to accept election when I first began seeing it in scriptures--now, I can be gentle with fellow believers that are under the Arminian persuasion --kudos to U for speaking the truth in love.
Yeah dog.. you took my comment to the chest. I don't exactly care that much haha..
God is sovereign and that's just the bottom line.
I can still complain and be upset and vent about people being trolls (kinda like you)! :D
You act like I don't have grounds to have an opinion.. lol
you're over here talking about defensiveness but you were being so rude telling me I was "confused with things [I] don't like"
I'm not sure if you're trying to argue but I dont really think messaging is gonna get anywhere so I'm just going to ignore the rest of your messages.
Kick Rocks..
+Mel V , really, kick rocks! If ya wanna meet on the block, com to my hood, Talkin that "kick rocks" lol. Christians follow CHRIST, Fear, Trust, LOVE, and Obey HIM.
The first sermon to this series and this sermon brought joy, hearty laughter, and sadness all at one. I don't have the words or the capacity to understand why God has chosen me. I could've been in hell right now but I'm alive in Him. We praise God for who He is, for you Jeff for preaching truth, and for all who have been chosen.
I'm happy now to see that Calvinism is correct. It magnifies his grace, his sovereignty, and my hopelessness without him. His grace is truly sweet for it came to me while so many others are lost. Why did he choose to save me? I'm just so grateful that he did.
Lol
A most intelligent response Trevor
Looks Up, may I ask how did you come to the conclusion that how did God choose to save you? Is there a sign of "The Elect" mark on your body that evidenced it? Though you might be the elect, you might end up in perdition like Judas Iscariot who too was the elect of Christ.
@@93556108 Context Tan Ewelee, Context. Judas was elect for a different purpose, not elect unto salvation.
@@workinprogress9613 I do not know, your theory of Calvinism propagate only the elect could be saved that is election unto salvation. In Calvinist (Reformed) theology, unconditional election is considered to be one aspect of predestination in which God chooses certain individuals to be saved. Those elected receive mercy, while those not elected, the reprobates, receive justice without condition.
What a sweet melody the doctrines of grace are. Praise God!
Thank you Pastor Jeff for this teaching.
I know this doctrine to be true for two reasons, first, the Bible says so, and second, I know myself. If I had any part in my being saved, then I have a part in keeping myself saved, and I have a part in losing my salvation. Right? I spent over thirty years "trying" to get saved, only to end up a hopeless false convert. But, and with great thanks, I serve a God who was patient with me, who sought me out, who revealed to me the truth of His son and my dependency on Him, and God saved me. Once we are His, we remain His. It is God's grace that saves us and it is God's grace that keeps us.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Jesus Christ for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them." - Ephesians 2:8-10
If we have nothing to do with our salvation, then why does it say, ;whosoever will?Revelation 22:17. Its our will to respond to Christ call, or not. If you look carefully at Ephesians 2:8 it say;s ;through faith; we are saved by his grace. This is the same; faith; Paul was referring to when he said, I have kept the faith. This keeping of said faith brings the prize of "hence forth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness", 2 Timothy 4:7,8 .Yes, Calvinist teach truth that those that receive the gift of righteousness were ordained, but this ;ordained is not for our eye;s, but for Gods eyes. He alone knows who are His, it is up to us to make this ;"calling and election sure then we shall not fail", 2 Peter 1:10.
How do we know that God did not chose some and not others? Because, even as the first scripture read by the brother John 6:40, "... that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life": is in line with Jesus earlier saying John 3:16 of "whosoever will believe in him shall not perish."
Its true again, that, No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: verse 44. But God is no respecter of persons, this drawing, he speaks of is the preaching of the Gospel. This is why; How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? Romans 10:14.
No, there is no cut and dry Calvinism, but there is Calvinism/ Arminianism. As both hold a part of the whole. God knows the final count, but it is up to us to make sure that we are in that count, Proverbs 11:30 and Daniel 12:3.
Greg Steele Amen brother I was the same way
Interesting... Can you please share your support of that from Scripture. I am not saying I either agree of disagree with your comment until I can see how you support it either by what Jesus taught in the Gospels or what Paul, Peter taught through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in the letters they wrote to the early church.
Tom Howard did you listen friend? The saving faith is a gift. Philipians 2. Of course we make decisions man plans his way but the LORD establishes his steps
Amen brother Greg!
I prayed for an unbeliever to be saved,but then realized that my friend must FREELY choose salvation. And God agreed and said my hands are tied I can’t infringe on his free will so it’s up to him , I’ve done all I can do. But I do hope he chooses me.
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Wow... So profound... this is awesome man... I mean this reaches deep beyond the boundaries of reality and back again man and completely changes everything that you believed before and is backed up by scripture... Holy Holy Holy is the Lord of hosts. He has insured my future. Most amazing thing is that there are so many that will never be revealed this by God. There for I am so grateful that God in his infinite overwhelming Grace chose me to hear it... it answers almost everything I’ve struggled with for me... holy holy holy.
It certainly does go way beyond the bounds of reality..... and that's not a good thing. You say "There for I am so grateful that God in his infinite overwhelming Grace chose me to hear it." Wow, you're *_SOOO_* much more special than everyone else. You should probably brag about it some more.
What a fantastic message that magnifies the grace of God and glorifies His name! Thank you for your service. God bless and keep you and yours! In the name of Jesus.
Clavanism is not another branch of christianity! It is quite an important doctrine of the bible which if understood properly gives the Christian even more joy and thankfulness
Jonathan Wick, since you claimed Calvinism is biblical, please support it with the bible verses in relation to double-predestination listed below;
The facts are: Calvin most definitely did believe in double predestination. This is what he wrote and taught and I quote:
"The predestination by which God adopts some to the hope of life, and adjudges others to eternal death, no man who would be thought pious ventures simply to deny….By predestination we mean the eternal decree of God, by which he determined with himself whatever he wished to happen with regard to every man. All are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of these ends, we say that he has been predestinated to life or to death". (An extract from The Institutes of the Christian Religion Chapter 3.21.5).
From where did this person get the idea that Calvin did not teach double predestination? Did he get it from another Calvinist?
This quote from the Institutes of the Christian Religion refutes this person’s statement about Calvin. He most definitely did believe in double predestination. Do you care to come up with the bible verses or concepts that supported Calvin's doctrine on double-predestination in relation to salvation. Thank you.
Jonathan Wick, it takes you 2 month now and biblically you still can't support your belief system of Calvinism. How then you come to believe in it as you claimed Calvinism is an important doctrine of the bible?
It puts us before the cross completely helpless. right on Jeff (:
Why does Satan exist?
An excellent message of God's truth. God bless y'all
Powerful and pure truth. The opposers are just revealing their wicked, proud and hateful hearts.
Quite the contrary though. You calvinists are self-righteous, debate-hungry, judgemental heretics. Calvinists are the epitome of wolf in sheep's clothing. Dont be fooled.
I would not say what Jose said about those who oppose. I would say they have a man elevated view rather than a correct view of the SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD.
@@christianjamesguevarra6257 You are absolutely correct in what you say, Trevor.
This is such a dumb comment. If you don’t buy Calvinism you are “wicked, proud and hateful”
That is called spiritual abuse. You need some clear bible teaching Jose
@@johngodsey5327 You are so right John. Calvinists are characterised by an air of superiority. And like all those steeped in ignorance they are blind to their own arrogance and to the fact that they are brainwashed by the sheer ubiquity of Calvinist fallacies perpetrated by book publishers and bible-ignorant preachers..
I stand amazed in the present of Jesus. Can't get over the fact that Jesus would love me.
If you don't love these precious truths it either you don't see sin to be so evil and wicked or you don't see the blazing holiness of Almighty God or both. The Lord saved me 1 st September 1975 I was an alcoholic,I came to know these glorious truths August 76. They are more wonderful to me now than ever before .Jeff The Lord bless you richly along with Dr White. I spend the winter in Malta .Due to health problems,now I can read very little so this a life line. I've had 2 wives now both are with The Lord they used to read to me. Every blessing
Wonderful message pastor Jeff
I love listening to you Jeff, I seem to disagree with a few details but God bless you my friend. I pray that God gives me wisdom so that I may know Him all the more.
Such an awesome sermon!
This sermon was so amazing!! I have been studying Arminianism and Calvinism for about 5 months and this sermon broke me and all of my inhibitions to this message. Great work Jeff - God's work through you reaches all across the world. Looking foward to watching the rest of the sermons on Calvinism. God bless you all and praise God for his grace on me.
This is so beautiful.❤
Great series Jeff. Thanks 🤜🤛
That is just Beautiful Brother! Charís, Shalõm, n AGAPÉ in YHWH YESHUA.
New to the reformed faith and have been wanting to find a series just like this! Thank you
19:10 this just hit me so hard. I've pondered this question before but hearing it's possible repercussions expressed through a real life account gave me chills, and not the proverbial good type either.
Dear Jeff Durbin, I am added to the body of Christ. I love the support of your ministry. I would like
Grace is simply getting something good that we don’t deserve. Some people who profess to be Christians think they are the only ones going to Heaven. And they secretly relish that notion.
Your sermons in this series have been the most heartwarming of all the Calvinist sermons I’ve ever heard. Thank you, and more importantly, thank the Lord!
Amazing teaching.
These are just a few of the MANY verses that speak of people making a choice; where Calvinism says, there is "No choosing" God decides. Isaiah 56:4 says, "For this is what the Lord says: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who CHOOSE what pleases me..." Isaiah 65:12 says, "...I spoke but you did not listen. You did evil in my sight and CHOSE what displeases me.” Isaiah 7:15 says, "...He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and CHOOSE the right..." Proverbs 3:31 says, "... Envy thou not the oppressor, and CHOOSE none of his ways." 1 Chronicles 21:11 says, "So Gad went to David and said to him, “This is what the Lord says: ‘Take your CHOICE: three years of famine, three months of being swept away before your enemies, with their swords overtaking you, or three days of the sword of the Lord..."
Ok, I get it.... I have to go find one of your other videos where I made an obviously unenlightened comment about free will... just didn't realize there just isn't free will in the sense that we've been taught - we are actually only free once saved - that's the "trick"
We are in bondage no matter what. Bondage does not have anything to do with freewill. The freedom that comes with Christ is freedom from sin, not the freedom to choose.
Faith comes by “hearing” the word of God .
Sounds reforming to me .
What about the ministry of God the Holy Spirit? Isn't He the one who convicts a person of sins and the need of repentance and forgiveness? He works alongside Christians who preach the gospel of Christ, God's grace and the message of 1:22:02 reconciliation. If we separate biblical truths from inconsequential opinions , the body of Christ can be more united and the Kingdom of God be advanced more effectively for the glory of Almighty God. I understand that God wants His truths to triumph through all His holy redeemed people and not just some selected preachers. However I do appreciate many online preachers who have enlightened me so much during the recent long Covid lockdown. God bless you all.
If this isn’t “good news “I don’t know what is!
Becoming born again is the spiritual circumcision WITH Christ so obviously it can’t happen before coming to Him if He’s the central part of the operation.
Born again is not simply a cute little heart change, it’s the actual putting OFF of the body of the sin of the flesh by the circumcision OF Christ.
In other words this operation absolutely does not happen apart from Christ.
A common misconception is that people believe faith is somehow part of that operation where in reality it’s not connected at all.
Reformers will often use the term “Cooperating with God.”
There is no cooperating with God in salvation.
Salvation is 100% God and 0% man.
What reformers constantly conflate is faith and being born again saying they’re the same thing and that by freely believing you are somehow saving yourself.
What they don’t understand is that Faith happens BEFORE the operation not during.
Faith is not part of the operation.
Just like driving yourself to the hospital isn’t part of a physical operation or surgery.
The surgeon doesn’t drive to your house and pick you up and then take you to the hospital to have your surgery as part of the operation itself.
A pilot doesn’t drive to your house and pick you up and then take you to the airport to catch your flight as part of the actual flight itself.
In no way does driving yourself to the hospital or to the airport take any credit away from the surgeon or from the pilot.
You can’t now claim that you helped perform your own surgery because you drive yourself to the hospital.
You can’t now claim that you helped fly the airplane because you drive yourself to the airport.
Salvation is 100% the will of God and 0% the will of man.
God does the saving man plays no part.
Freely believing is not part of regeneration it is the requirement to be regenerated.
Big difference that reformers constantly conflate and don’t understand.
8:59 uh....yeah....that's how it works. Sin separates us from God. It's been that way right from the very first transgression in the Garden. Does Calvinism teach the false idea that "God doesn't see our sins" once we become a Christian?
12:51 But isn't it obvious that Christianity is meant to be "synergistic"? Do you know what a yoke is? It's a thick piece of wood that connects two oxen so that they *_SHARE_* the work. "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” Matthew 11.28 Monergism is a refusal to take any personal responsibility and it destroys the very concept of serving. And it doesn't make God a "failure" if someone doesn't respond with faith. If I bake cookies for someone and they refuse them, does that make me a failure? Nope. It makes *_THEM_* a failure.
27:30 without freewill, faith is meaningless. Without freewill, slavery is meaningless. Without freewill, every thought and action is meaningless compulsion. Without freewill, the Fall in the Garden ceases to have any relevance to anything at all. Jeff even goes on to affirm that we do in fact make our own choices and then pretends this doesn't conflict at all. Such double think and cognitive dissonance does not make me want to adopt your doctrine.
32:05 this is a case of taking metaphors *_WAAAAY_* too literally. Yes, the Bible does say that we are dead in our sins. Figuratively speaking. Jesus also says we are sick and in need of a doctor. Figuratively speaking. Allegorical figurative language is not a valid basis for absolutist legal declarations.
58:45 ok if you are going to pretend that this is not hyperbole, and that when it says "all" it means exactly 100% of people, the *_SAME_* hermeneutic must be applied to the verses that say Jesus Christ was crucified for *_ALL_* people. Period. Otherwise you are a hypocrite bending Scripture to mean what you want it to. So is it total depravity or is it limited atonement? You can't have both.
1:02:40 uh..... 1 Cor 2.14 is talking about *_CHRISTIANS_* who lack wisdom because they are spiritually immature and cannot understand the deeper hidden spiritual wisdom which is only for the mature in faith. You have to read verses in context and not cherrypick them. Wait... maybe this verse does apply to Calvinism after all... just not as you think! This is part of a section in Chapter 2 which is discussing the hidden wisdom of God. Verse 6 says "We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature" note that it is for the *_MATURE_* and this wisdom is in *_CONTRAST_* to the Gospel message which is described in the 5 verses prior as "My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words". So verse 14 is *_NOT_* talking about unbelievers not being able to understand the Gospel. It's talking about Christians who aren't able to mature beyond the basic Gospel. Chapter 3 starts by saying " I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly-mere infants in Christ." So they are *_IN CHRIST_* and yet are not able to understand spiritual wisdom - just like Calvinists! Jeff's horrible exegesis of this verse certainly shows a lack of wisdom. And it's worth noting that one of their behaviors that Paul is chastising them for is forming divisive factions that identify with individual human teachers.....like Calvin! Who is Calvin? Was Calvin crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Calvin?
1:03:55 yes this verse is actually talking about unbelievers, Jeff. Good job......but....uh....it says the Gospel is veiled to them. What does it say just prior though, in 2 Cor 3.16? "But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away." which has them turning to the Lord *_PRECEDING_* the veil being lifted, not the other way around as he is trying to claim.
1:09:35 Lazarus is *_ACTUALLY_* dead. Not metaphorically dead in sins but actually, physically, really dead with zero brain activity with which to make a decision. Sheeesh! Grasping for straws much? The idea that no one can refuse Jesus' call is easily refuted by Jesus himself saying in Revelation 3.20 "Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. *_If anyone hears my voice and opens the door,_* I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me." Did Jesus say he would force his way in against their will????
So thankful that God chose me!!! And that He didn't choose most of everyone else! For His glory! - I must be super special and am so humbled by this truth!
Nonsense!
Didn't Jesus say that if he was crucified, he would draw all men to himself (Jn 12:32? If grace is irresistible, then all men will be saved. Be careful where your human logic takes you
Wonderful
Amen
No seekers - thanks for the scripture references - I needed the bottom-line on the wrongness of those seeker sensitive churches
I'm new to this so excuse me if I'm wrong here but I don't understand why all the hate in the comments one way or the other. This doesn't seem to me to be one way or the other for salvation. We shouldn't treat fellow Christians badly (or anyone for that matter). We all believe that we need to repent, and understand were all sinners and we need Jesus to save us. He who thinks hes in the light and hates is still in the dark
This topic drives some people utterly insane. I have no idea why. I'm very similar to Jeff in that I didn't grow up in a Christian home and had no idea about all these teachings. I also came to his general conclusions just by reading the Bible. I've never read Calvin either. It just seems to be the straightforward teaching of Scripture. (Not that I fully understand it all!) But, yeah, it makes people nuts. I don't get it. I've seen professing Christians spewing more hatred toward people who teach these things than they do against the godless, sinful world. Bizarre.
I love you brother...
You speak truth and where the Truth is there will His Spirit be.
It's so true that we are in bondage of the will, what I perceive to be good is the greater evil.
What was discovered in the garden was and is the lust of the flesh , lust of the eyes and the pride of life. When we perceive to do good, by the law of sin, we only do evil. How evil it is for man to say," I am a good man."
In Genesis God created the heaven and the earth...STOP.
In Luke, Christ Jesus said," I saw Satan cast out like lightning to the earth." And the earth became desolate.
The next verse in Genesis says The earth was without form (vanity) dark and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep."
God said" let us form man from the dust of the ground."
To create means to make something from nothing and to FORM is to make something from what already exists.
So, man being FORMED from
the desolate dust of the ground was placed into the garden east of Eden.( Heaven on Earth) to tend to it. Eventually Adam and his wife noticed that the fruit was good for food, pleasant to the eyes and desired to make one wise.
1st John 2:16.
For ALL that's in the world is the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life.
Mans natural evil is to be like god. And he seeks after his own glory. But God preordained His Church before the creation of the world and Jehovah by His nature, receives ALL Glory.
So it's true, God created ALL THINGS for HIS GLORY.
Amen
I’m really learning a lot with this sermons and get a different view of certain things but what’s for example with the view of that someone who didn’t get to know Christ in his life. Isn’t it unfair because he also didn’t chose to be born in this world. So the consequences of what Adam and Eve did in the garden, this people if they want or not, have to deal with the result. Is there any explanation for this? Maybe it comes in the other videos. And is there any explanation for the selection of god?
a to the men
I would love a list of scripture references Jeff uses with each of his sermons for personal study.
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He said which scriptures in the sermon
Powerful sermon. I do have a doubt though: the Bible does teach God saying that he desires that all should be saved. If we think God would choose that some would be given grace but others not, then I think this gives us a skewed view of God's heart. This is why I think free will has to come into it. I think God has created us in a way that we can choose to love him in return or not. Because He is not a slave driver, and love that is forced is not love at all. I think God knows from the beginning who would respond to him and so chooses them. I don't understand it all, and I see the truth in both positions. I think somehow we have to hold 2 things in tension: that God alone can save, and he desires all would be saved. That it would appear that all are not saved is a mystery to me.
So… I could be a complete rebellious sinner and not even believe in God and still make the kingdom because I was chosen from the beginning to be saved wether I want to or not? Or, I could love God with all my heart and worship him daily and pray and still be cast into Hell because I was chosen to be damned from the very beginning? Not asking to be disrespectful or argumentative at all. I’m just honestly trying to figure this whole theology thing. Thank you
That’s how you get even at the time of the flood that God predetermined who was to be destroyed,men and women and including little babies because He knew before they would have known that they would not have worshiped Him and if He knows how many hairs you have on your head it makes sense that He has it all planned out before time who will worship Him or not!
[Psa 69:28 KJV] 28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.
[Rev 3:5 KJV] 5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
[Rev 22:19 KJV] 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.
How do Calvinists explain those verses? The ones that don't make it and do not overcome were ALSO written in the book of life before the foundation of the world.
Thank you for sharing this . My faith is very simple but my love and worship for Jesus is very deep, and I believe this is enough . X
Let's see if Jeff or James White will debate Johnny Robertson.
Johnny has been trying for years to get either one to debate but these calvinists are too scared to debate a Christian.
1 Corinthians 2:14
Wish I could find part one
Tabitha Trulock
Part one is only more of the same heresy.
You’d learn more truth watching reruns of leave it to beaver.
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Read Ken Wilson's recent book "The Foundation of Augustinian-Calvinism" to see why Augustine denied free will. Augustine went against the Early Church Fathers before him, and against 25 years of his own ministry, in an attempt to explain how infants could become the elect through water baptism. Since the child had not come to faith, it must be based on the will of another. It could have nothing to do with the will of the child.
This guy is good. Where is his church or ministry?
Apologia Church, in Arizona.
Did Adem or Eve have free will?
Who has God granted repentance to?
BOTH Jews and Gentiles:
ACTS 11:18
17 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath GOD ALSO TO THE GENTILES GRANTED REPENTANCE UNTO LIFE.
ACTS 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for TO GIVE REPENTANCE TO ISRAEL, and forgiveness of sins.
The point is not that God grants actual faith and repentance to every member of the nation of Israel and to every Gentile.
The point is simply that God has made the OPPORTUNITY to believe and repent available to both groups.
This is the way in which God is said to have chosen both groups for salvation.
He has made salvation available to all individuals within each the group.
His word is NOT hidden it’s available to ALL that ALL might believe.
DEUTERONOMY 30:11-14
11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, IT IS NOT HIDDEN FROM THEE, NEITHER IS IT FAR OFF.
12 IT IS NOT IN HEAVEN, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
14 BUT THE WORD IS VERY NIGH UNTO THEE, IN THY MOUTH, AND IN THY HEART, THAT THOU MAYEST DO IT.
KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC So does your Bible only consist of the New Testament and you e thrown the rest of it in the garbage?
Ironically the OT passage I referenced is also referenced by the Apostle Paul in the NEW TESTAMENT saying the exact same thing:
...According to Romans 10:8 again God’s word is nigh even the word of FAITH:
ROMANS 10:8
8 But what saith it? THE WORD IS NIGH thee, EVEN IN THY MOUTH, AND IN THY HEART: THAT IS THE WORD OF FAITH, WHICH WE PREACH;
You disagree with Paul as well?
KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC That’s a great story about your friends and family and liberal Christianity but I’m not quite sure why you’re telling me those stories.
Is it because your faith is based on experience and not the word of God?
My faith is in Christ not myself so your argument about what you’ve experienced holds zero weight and falls to the ground.
It’s a typical response from reformers who can’t back anything up with scripture so they bring up totally unrelated straw man emotional arguments.
KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC You’re also conflating doing obeying the law PERFECTLY with obeying the law.
You’re also conflating obeying the law so as to save yourself.
My Bible tells me Gods Word is NOT grievous.
That’s the opposite to what you claim.
1 JOHN 5:3
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are NOT grievous.
The point is we need to walk by faith and not sight.
Not rely on our own strengths.
No one can obey the law perfectly so as to save themselves and if you transgress even in one point you’re guilty of it all.
It’s only a burden if you’re trying to obey the law in your own strength.
Many righteous men in the OT.
What did they all have in common?
They’re righteousness was by FAITH and not works.
KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC So according to you all of God’s commands are disingenuous commands and commands don’t mean we have the ability to actually do them they’ll say.
But my Bible tells me we “MAY DO THAT WE MAY DO ALL THE WORDS OF THIS LAW.”
DEUTERONOMY 29:29
29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, THAT WE MAY DO ALL THE WORDS OF THIS LAW.
Those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, THAT WE MAY DO ALL THE WORDS OF THIS LAW.
Did God fail in His purpose in revealing His word to us that we MAY DO???
Those things that are REVEALED belong to us specifically for the purpose that we WE MAY DO ALL THE WORDS OF THIS LAW.
Not saying anyone ever will perfectly but this verse clearly says we MAY DO THEM but you claim the opposite.
The Basics:. Acts 16:31 "..Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (NOW!) and thou shalt be saved". Don't believe and you won't be. Are you saying God would be a liar? Why wouldn't the myriads of similar verses in the Bible not say "and those chosen to believe at creation will be saved"? Because it would be an accursed predestined different gospel! Those that do believe are predestined to be conformed to Christ's image. Believe and trust the Bible, not men!
you said that you were going tp put the verses up on the website , where is the link?
Dr Flowers sorted it out...
not at all cultboy
It is funny to me, I was raised Pentecostal sprinkled with some southern Baptist. But it wasn’t until I picked up the word of God 7 years ago that I came to understand most of what I taught was a lie. I had the doctrines of man but not of God. Then a year ago God brought me to a place of isolation and study. I have had no one to teach me no one to lead other than Christ and Christ alone by His spirit. I had no idea that I was a calvinist until I found that there are others like yourself that teach actual biblical truths the world hates.
Amen,I had 5 shoulder surgeries and had much time to study when God showed me the truth.After this,we left our free will,Baptist church.
Can a Calvinist please explain what is the benefit of preaching Calvinism?
Jamaal Williams preaching through each doctrine in the Doctrines of Grace brings much benefit to the Church. Should we not study the condition of man's soul? The extent of God's sovereignty?
In my belief it is a distraction and a deception from the enemy. I still don't see how preaching Calvinism edifies anyone. And by the way, the word "sovereignty" is not found in the KJV. Moreover Christians can't even agree if Calvinism is true or not. In fact, there are many scriptures that refutes Calvinism such as the Biblical fact that hell was prepared for satan and his angels but not for (the non elect) men and God saying He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked but they turn and live.
Jamaal Williams it's a distraction to study what God's Word says on the condition of sinful man? And use whatever synonym you want for sovereignty you want to- God's supremacy or His preeminence. Unless you are suggesting He is not supreme, preeminent, or sovereign?
Yes, under what I believe to be a false doctrine of Calvinism it is a distraction to be preaching this.
Jamaal Williams
So you don't believe that man is naturally fallen in sin?
You don't believe that God saves people NOT DEPENDING on who they are / what they do (works)?
You don't believe that Christ only died for everyone who would believe in Him?
You don't believe that God effectually saves people from their sins?
You don't believe that God as our ultimate pastor can keep us from the devil, the world, and ourselves so as to completely save us?
I m trying to understand this calvinism. So what is your opinion of john 16: 8-11. The world means everyone.
Mitchell Jenkins The world understood qualitatively, a world within the world, meaning people (not every person) of every nation, of every kind. The context in John makes this unmistakable. B.B. Warfield deals with it expertly.
WITHOUT EXCUSE
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, being understood by what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
Romans 1:20
Judge: Why did you remain in unbelief ?
Reprobate : I was born hated and rejected by my God, who sealed me in unbelief from the time I was born till the time I died because of the sin of another.
Can you think of a better excuse than that ?
Thanks Calvin 💐
Yeah,that Calvin guy put all those predestination, election,and Sovereignty of God in salvation verses in the Bible, he was a real rascal.
Thank God my salvation does not rely on me in anyway, because I am a completely depraved sinner who never choose God! My salvation would not be secure at all. It would be a roller coaster ride of emotion, 1 minute feeling saved next minute not. Salvation is a work of God and God alone. For this reason salvation is secure from beginning to end. Not that I can boast but only boast in Christ alone.
If you never chose God then you didn't repent. "It would be a roller coaster ride of emotion, 1 minute feeling saved next minute not." Uh.... yeah... if you're lukewarm, in which case you can just count yourself out. "For this reason salvation is secure from beginning to end. " uh.... but how do you *_KNOW_* that you are one of the special few elect and you're not just deceiving yourself into thinking that??? Checkmate.
@@theTavis01 Thank you for responding. First I didn't write this comment to try and win a religious doctrine debate. After rereading my comment, I guess I do need to clarify a bit. The point I'm making is that God chooses us first. His Spirit draws us and convicts us, then we can come to Him and repent and choose to follow Him. Until that moment I as a completely depraved sinner wouldn't choose to follow Him on my own. The Bible is clear. The work of salvation is all Christ, not that I can boast but boast in Christ alone. Only the action of Christ can save.Maybr this clarifies my comment.
@@Android-yj9wk thank you for clarifying but it still seems you feel compelled to force things into a Calvinist lens for no reason at all. When Jesus knocked at your door, did you choose to open it and let him inside? Or did Jesus use a crowbar and force his way in. Calvin would claim the second, the Bible would claim the first. The idea that all sinners love their sin is absurd too. Have you ever been or known an addict? Some addicts *_HATE_* their sin, but are powerless to stop. I myself struggled with porn addiction. I hated it. I knew I needed to stop. It was ruining my life. But I couldn't stop no matter how hard I tried. I looked up the 12 steps online and the first step is to admit that you are powerless. The second step is to believe that God can help and the third step is to *_DECIDE_* to reach out for that help. That was me reaching out to God to help me with my sin, long before I ever had any concept of Jesus. I grew up atheist, and my only experience really with spirituality was through drugs. My idea of God was very vague and I actually thought of it as a mother goddess when I first prayed for help. I didn't pray for forgiveness I prayed for help. The 11th step is to *_SEEK_* to know and do God's will. After 4 or 5 years of this, God led me to understand that his will was for me to accept Jesus and go to church, which I was not happy about. At this point I did have a big moment of repentance where God definitely did a work in my heart, and I wanted so bad to just live my life for God from that moment on in all areas of life even if it meant swallowing my pride and going to a church and hearing about Jesus, but it still felt like I had a choice, and it definitely happened long after I wanted to get out of slavery to sin and long after I committed to try to follow God, and it was *_BEFORE_* I understood the Gospel. Once I read Romans, I was like "oh! This is why God wanted me to do this. I was a slave to sin, but by accepting Jesus I can be a slave to righteousness instead, cool." Calvinism is purely theoretical at best, with no relevance to the real world. It states deep mysteries as legal absolutes and in doing so falsifies itself. And it's proponents seem to care way more about being right than being edifying.
" Until that moment I as a completely depraved sinner wouldn't choose to follow Him on my own." See what I mean? You used the word "wouldn't" instead of "didn't" which means this is pure theory and not your actual experience. What's your *_ACTUAL_* testimony? What was your non-choice repentance experience? You just woke up one day believing in Jesus? Do you think an addict should wait for a spiritual revelation of Jesus before they seek God for help?
"The work of salvation is all Christ" If you think making a decision is "work" you must be the biggest slacker in the world. It's certainly not something that would give you bragging rights. But being personally selected as one of God's little pet loved ones to the exclusion of others though - now *_THAT'S_* something to brag about!
@@theTavis01 we can and only will choose when the Spirit draws us and convicts us. I'm not a full Calvinist, but I do believe the Bible is clear. We are predestined. I'm not God so I'm not going to pretend I know how it works, but I know it's biblical.
@@Android-yj9wk You didn't answer me about Jesus knocking at the door, and you didn't answer me about your own testimony. "Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me." Sure sounds like a choice to respond to me.
" We are predestined." Even if that is technically true, what does it benefit you and others to insist upon it? It's not like you are talking to Jews like Paul was, and having to explain to the "chosen" people why some of them weren't going to be chosen after all, and some Gentiles were going to be chosen instead.
Ephesians 1:11-13 makes it very clear: "In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory." Wow, gee, that's definitely describing predestination. God definitely specially chose Paul and the rest of the apostles for their positions. Calvin must be right! This must apply to all people who will be saved! Oh wait, the Bible isn't just random unconnected verses. Let's see what comes next:
"And you *_ALSO_* were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. *_WHEN_* you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit"
Oh! So people who were *_NOT_* specially chosen ahead of time can *_ALSO_* be included if they hear the Gospel and respond to it. Wow, imagine that. It's almost like the Bible makes perfect sense until you start trying to insert man-made doctrines. And since people like this weren't specially chosen ahead of time they get *_SEALED_* so that it's official. The fact that the gracious offer of salvation is free for *_EVERYONE_* (and not just smug Calvinists) takes away the bragging rights for being predestined.
1 Timothy 2:3 "This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants *_ALL_* people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth."
Calvin was a heretic and should be dismissed.
I will not sacrifice His glory and the revealed attributes of God’s sovereignty, grace, justice and mercy on the altar of man’s philosophical wisdom. Such wisdom seeks to rob and redefine the God clearly revealed in scripture.
There are whole assembly's giving over too this free will nonsense, others have greater and greater percentages that are free will believers usurping the glory of God for themselves. The blindness of these professing Christians is astonishing to me. The Spirit of God leads us to all truth, not part, how can so many be stumbling so badly if they are led by The Spirit? How many lies does a person professing Christian need before they are no longer regarded as Christian? I guess it depends on who you ask. Blatant ignorance of the clear teaching of scripture is inexcusable and would not have been tolerated in the distant past but I guess now that they have the numbers and their lies have become tradition, there is no stopping them. I am not aware of a fellowship in my area or at any reasonable distance that consistently teaches the truth of scripture, the place where I fellowship is mixed and I don't have the gift of teaching in a congregation, only in a small group or one on one. We are told in Scripture not to pull out the tares because we risk damaging the wheat, so I commit it to The Lord...
Hasim Hodzic
Why would you believe Calvinism? Have you never tested what these teachers say with scripture?
I love Jeff Durben and especially the abortion stuff. He is a brother in Christ i have no doubt
But i reject 75% of Calvinism based on scripture Taken out of context z Calvinism seems to be rooted very much in narcissistic thinking . One doesn’t need to preach Calvinism. They need to preach the gospel and they are not the same thing . Calvinism is a tool of interpretation just as dispensationalism is. I just find dispensations to be a more accurate tool to interpret scripture.
The whole issue of total depravity we would almost agree on. Man is totally deprived and lacks anything that can save him. Outside of Gods work, he is without hope and without excuse.
However, total depravity does not mean one doesn’t have the ability to choose when presented with the gospel.
Actually, this is the exact message from Gods word
“Faith comes by hearing and hearing the word of God”
Faith does not come as a gift to regenerate you so that you can accept the gospel. In fact, faith is not the gift in question. Grace is.
“For you are saved by grace through faith. This is not of yourselves. It is the gift of God so that no one may boast.”
The subject of the sentence is grace. So the gift is grace
And that grace is appropriated by faith (faith is the vehicle which administers the gospel)
All of the 5 pillars of Calvinism, tulip and an element of truth with a lot of subjective and very loose understanding of scripture.
However. That doesn’t mean Calvinist are not saved. They are dependent upon Jesus for salvation and i have no doubt of that
But by and large, Calvinism is a pretty shabby theology and the more i study it, the worse it gets.
Calvinism gives all the glory to God not self. Narcissistic people are self centered. Meaning a narcissist would take credit for salvation.
You believe faith is not a gift from God, then can you tell me why you’re saved and others are not ? Why do you believe and others don’t when they hear the word of God? Is it because you are more righteous than the person who abides in unbelief? Is it because you are more intelligent? What is it ?
Calvinism comes from a place of nome of us are righteous or good enough to be saved. It’s the grace of God. It’s all Him. That is called humility, the opposite of pride. That is not narcissistic.
God bless
You are in error friend.
We conclude that fallen man is still free to choose what he desires, but because his desires are only wicked he lacks the moral ability to come to Christ. As long as he remains in the flesh, unregenerate, he will never choose Christ. He cannot choose Christ precisely because he cannot act against his own will. He has no desire for Christ. He cannot choose what he does not desire. His fall is great. It is so great that only the effectual grace of God working in his heart can bring him to faith.
So let me get this straight.....
Saved by grace, Through faith, in baptism, for good works.
with man it is.. IMPOSSIBLE
very straightforward 😅
Wait if Calvinism is true does that mean Adam had no choice to fail or not?
remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, 'My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,'
Isaiah 46:9-10 ESV
bible.com/bible/59/isa.46.9-10.ESV
I've always felt we will be judged, just cos I go confess or I was born again, all my sins, crimes, immorality, dont matter? As long as you have faith in Jesus, that he died for our sins, it don't matter what u do? I will always say it does matter what u do, what ever theology you espouse.
Adam Smith Yes, even believers will be judged and your obedience does matter. All will face judgment for their deeds and the motivations of their hearts. The believer is still judged, but not condemned.
Great video, but one HUGE thing you're missing is that believers in free will don't think they can do good things for God; they simply think that nothing can be done in a lost state aside from the DECISION for repentance. When the decision is made the ability is given, along with a new mind, by the rebirth. Also on Ephesians 2:8 grammatically in Greek, the grace is the gift; not the faith. On Lazarus,bit seems more evident of the ultimate resurrection; Lazarus loved Jesus before he died.
muy buen mensaje como hago para escucharlo en español.???
There is ' Calvinism ' and there is the Bible inspired by God , God breathed , I study it and not one man with one opinion which in my opinion and millions of believers in the World today and in history is wrong , and who's views are also way off the mark and wrong according to scriptures when studied properly. Jeff your passion has to be admired but many would disagree with you on this and more than would agree with you so I feel you must also take into consideration their opinion and not just one man. I believe you do study scripture but maybe through the lens of Calvin and not through the lens of God.
I'm not a Calvinist bc Matt 11:20-24 has Jesus explaining that particular people, who are currently in hell and awaiting judgment, if they would have seen Jesus's mighty works they would have repented. How can the non-elect have repented if they do not have the ability to respond to Jesus positively or spiritual things?
I think that does show that God withheld the thing that would have caused the people to repent. In other words, God mad the decision to keep them from repenting by not giving them the signs. Sounds like double predestination.
Although I am not a Calvinist, theologically speaking, I have always admired James White passion and commitment to the @t our Lord Jesus Christ put it , there are 2 roads one leads to salvation and the other leads to condemnation.God let you decide which road you want to take.The choice is ours to make.Jesus said he will knock on your door (heart) if you let him in he will come in and dwell in you (Holy Spirit), is up to us if we let Jesus in or not.Jesus will not break the door and force himself in, Satan would force himself in but God never would do it!.So you see we have the choice to either accept Jesus into our hearts or to reject him, God would never ever impose himself to us by force. Pre destination eliminates that choice and in a way give those that reject the Gospel a reason to blame God and not their own choice for their demise.
Someone predestined to go to hell and not be among the chosen would argue: since I was predestined from birth not receive the Gospel and to reject it, what was God purpose in the first place when He created me?.Would have not been better for God not to allow me to be born in the first place than to suffer eternal condemnation for something (Jesus/salvation/the gospel) that I never had no other choice what so ever but to reject it?.The micro second I was born I was lost and condemned right there and then, that is what predestination means!.When Adam listened to Satan and sinned against God Adam had a choice of either reject Satan's words and obey God.God did not made the choice for Adam, Adam sinned out of free will!.God could have stopped Adam right there and then but he let Adam make his choice!.The same way God let us make the choice of accepting His salvation through the atonement of Jesus sacrifice in the cross.God give the same opportunity to all mankind to be save, the choice will always be ours to either be saved or be condemned by accepting or rejecting God offer.
Ismael Rodriguez , you claimed to be a non-Calvinist but also added theologically speaking you always admired James White. However, theologically speaking James White's teaching is unbiblical as he believes man has no freewill. But you again claimed man has freewill. Please reconcile to me by your statement saying theologically speaking you always admired James White as his theology is somewhat differs from yours. In other words, who is biblically correct, James White or you as you stated theologically speaking you admired him? thanks.
Same shirt as part one? :)
Daniel O'Brien
Same heretical doctrine as part one? :)
John 14:21 !
Acts 1:8 !!
Romans 1:16!
Ephesians. 3:20&21
Hey Kevin do you have time for discussion?
I dont know what to believe.....am I praying for my unsaved daughters in vain? I do not believe that because GOD has given me answers.He has sent me to scripture. Does Jeff believe his unsaved sister is just not one of the chosen ones.Or does prayer make God change his mind?
Delores M prayer is all the more important, because Hod has the power to call those he pleases to call, and they will answer
FireSnipe oh, the predestination confuses me. So it's not in stone, God can be persuaded?.
So true what you say, that one's faith should not interfere with Gods grace! Very good word. Yet there is 1 John 3:7. John was very careful to start out with a warning. A warning of impending "deception". For he must have seen this being prevalent among (so called) believer's, of having faith without works (James 2:18-20). As he noted that "doing
righteousness", was indeed the very same thing. Even to the point of the same as Christ.
Basically he is saying, if you believe, you will be this new creation, dead to
sin (Romans 6:1 1 Peter 2:24), alive to righteousness. Not a righteousness,
seen only by God and unseen by man, but a manifest (seen) Child of God, totally
separate from that manifestation which is of a child of the devil, 1 John 3:10
True brother, (There but by the grace of God, go I). But, there is this ,
"Go" word, which means deed's. Paul said Romans 15:18 NASB, "For
I will not presume to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished
through me, resulting in the obedience of the Gentiles by word and deed,"
Obedience, to Paul, was both in "word and deed", in his mind, (did he
not have this same mind, which was also in Christ?)
But, don’t you see, your speaking of mans total depravity to
make his own decision to follow Christ, apart from Gods power, is then robbing
Gods glory of said power of, “His word”!
“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;” Romans 1:16.
Again, concerning this Gospel; "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" Romans 10:14. It is not us, but the power of Gods word that gets hold of, us “that believe” as
there must first be a believing before there is a receiving. John 1:12,“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons
of God, even to them that believe on his name:”This very Gospel is what works on a totally depraved man, that can, upon
hearing, open his heart to receive the salvation of God!
Again, the confusion comes from thinking that God keeps certain ones from the salvation offered to man in general, “And the times of
this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent:
Because he has appointed a day, in the which he will judge the
world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he has given
assurance unto all men, in that he has raised him from the dead.” Acts17:30,31.How could God command repentance from all men and then not
allow it them, keeping it from them?
This is not good news!
Why would Jesus die on the cross to “atone for” the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2 , just to keep certain ones from said “atonement”? Rather it is , God knowing who will both, repent and take this “atoning sacrifice” for themselves, and thus, procure it! This is foreknowledge and show’s only Him to be God, and not us!
No, this opens the door for true heart felt evangelism and understanding of Proverbs 11:30 and Daniel 12:3. As the fields are "white unto harvest"!
I believe “TULIP” theology to be unscriptural. On the other hand, I am not an Arminian and I believe in eternal security.
Total inability means sinners are unable to come to Christ unless they are first regenerated. But the Bible teaches that a man is born again when he believes, not before he believes. “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name” (John 1:12).
Unconditional election means God arbitrarily chose some people for heaven, and others for hell. But the Bible says that God is, “not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance” (II Peter 3:9; cf. I Tim. 2:4).
Limited atonement means Christ died only for the elect. But First John 2:2 says, “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
Hebrews 2:9 says, “that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man” (cf. also John 1:29; 3:16).
Irresistible grace means that the saving grace of God is effectually applied only to those whom God has determined to save (the elect). Here we can see the logical connection between “total inability” (or “total depravity”) and “irresistible grace.” Since total inability means that man is unable of believing God, and man will never come to Christ on his own, God must first change a person’s nature before he is saved.
To the staunch Calvinist, regeneration must precede conversion. But is God’s grace “irresistible”? We see many examples in the Bible of sinners resisting God’s grace. Stephen said to the Jewish leaders in Acts 7:51, “Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.”
Calvinists would argue that these stiffnecked sinners were not part of the elect and were therefore predestined for hell. But this is not what the Bible teaches.
The last doctrine in the TULIP system is the “perseverance of the saints.” This means the elect believer will continue in the state of holiness and righteousness through the work of the Holy Spirit, and the elect believer will continue in this state all the way through till he gets to heaven.
This doctrine has been called “once saved, always saved” and has been associated with the doctrine of eternal security, though there are some differences.
I must say that while I tend to agree more with the Arminians on their opposition to the first four points, I break company with them on the fifth (cf. Romans 9:35-39).
Eternal life is for eternity. It is not “temporary eternal life.”
Before moving on, let me say we can agree with the Calvinists when they are right - the sovereignty of God, eternal security, etc.
And we can agree with the Arminians when they are right - man’s responsibility, unlimited atonement, etc. However, we should not be forced to take sides in this debate.My main issue is that the Calvinist can not go up to everyone and tell them God loves them and died for their sins.
John Trevett the problem is, as Paul states, from a moral standpoint, we don't have any inclination to choose God or any desire to please him, in our natural state. Therefore, if we've reached the point of calling on Christ to be saved, the true question becomes one of how did you end up there? How the all of the sudden change in heart? It's because a new work in your soul has already begun, and the gift of faith, the Holy Spirit has granted. It's not that you're born again before you're born again, it's that the gift of faith has been granted-line when Paul said scales fell from his eye, after God had blinded him.
Doesn't scripture say 'faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God?' Also it says God is not a respective of persons, not willing that any should perish, desires all men to be saved and commands all to repent.. seems silly if God commands people and desires all to be saved and He is the one that gives people saving faith. Irresistible grace is not correct. I believe in total depravity but not the inability like the staunch Calvinists believe.
John Trevett seems silly to me you'd believe in totally depravity, when its very essence is the fact that (as Paul speaks about clearly in Romans 8) not only do we not desire to please God, we want nothing to do with Him. God desires that none should perish, but being the Creator of all things, He must have a reason for not everyone being saved, when He could clearly save everyone. But not everyone will be saved, right? So the question becomes, did Christ purchase redemption for everyone, including those who are now perishing? Nowhere on scripture does in tell us that Christ's sacrifice was a potential propitiation. What's silly is the notion that Christ, in all His power and Glory, would offer up His life for both those who would believe and those who end up in Hell. For the joy set before Him, He purchased His royal priesthood. The only way anyone knows who has been purchased is through the Holy Spirit working through the preaching of God's word.
James Bellamy If He desires ALL to be saved and gives saving faith. why wouldn't ALL be saved? makes no sense. In essence your theology (man-made I may add) says God sends people to he'll for not believing in something He never did for them. Calvinists try to box God into a corner while ignoring clear scripture that negates their stance. ALL, World, ANY does not equal 'elect.'
John Trevett God doesn't send anyone to Hell. We're all born on our way there. If that offends you, then thank Adam and Eve. By Grace we have been saved faith, not of our own doing such that none should boast. Nothing man made about the fact that God brings the increase, that God begins and finishes the good work he alone can start. Nothing man made about boasting in God's unmerited favor to save, when we're all deserving in eternal punishment. I'll boast in God invading my heart, opening my eyes to the riches of His Glory, and my utter hopelessness apart from him leading me into repentance, God's gift of faith.
Funny how people regard calvinism as the truth without testing it... when it is tested by scripture alone. Especially where it is founded on replacement theology...
I came out of Arminianism because I actually read the scriptures thoroughly and not just on the whim as many evangelicals do. Scripture is overflowing with the doctrines of Grace.
When he is talking about traditions he is right. One of the biggest one is the Calvinistic teaching. When you read the bible straight forward you will not come up with the doctrine of Calvinism. I always hear reformed preacher say you must read this book or that book on Calvinism.
No true at all. I came to accept the doctrines of grace by actually reading word for word front the back. As an evangelical I was used to topical reading and rarely read the verses in context.
search jeff durbin critique part 2 by pine creek for a rebuttal to jeffs sermon
I just became a Calvinist on min 20:00
lol
Lucas Gomes
Say it ain’t so. Let’s discuss this. Don’t fall for his lies!!
@@evanu6579 What lies?
It’s easy.
Salvation has been given to you.
It’s up to you if you want to reject it.
holdfast Gods grace is not a box of chocolates you can give back if you don’t want it. It is a divine attitude of God. He MERCIES whom He MERCIES. Please friend, learn the Greek. If God mercies someone, He shows compassion. He makes the unwilling willing. “Behold I will give them a new heart and take out their heart of stone” it’s all God praise the LORD.
My Jesus saved everybody. Apparently your Jesus did not :/
@@Spr1ggan87You contradicted yourself. You admit that humans have free will, and then claim humans cannot reject Jesus' salvation, meaning you're claiming humans don't have free will. Is there another point you were trying to make, and it just didn't come out right?
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Our free will comes from the ability to either continue top live fort ourselves or surrender to God's will. Adam had no sin in him and he had the freedom to obey or not. That is free will. Though I agree with him on about everything, but not on the free will. We do in the sense of that choice to choose right and choose God or not to. Be won't force us to just like Adam
But once man [Adam ] fell, his free will was used only to sin...our will before salvation is in bondage to sin. Fallen man can only sin, not have faith or choose the right way or choose God.
hhmmm.
"This man was *blameless* and upright; he feared God and shunned evil" (Job 1:1)
"Those from every tribe of Israel who *set their hearts on seeking the Lord* , the God of Israel, followed the Levites to Jerusalem to offer sacrifices to the Lord, the God of their fathers." (Chronicles 11:16)
hmm.. Interesting. I made no point btw. I don't want to readd into the text. I don't want to do the Calvinist's mistake.
Kendhal Tilùèn Correct, their hearts had been changed.
Joshua David Ling I am not sure you foolowed my reasoning. What i meant is that there are men in the Bible that sought God without any prior inner miracle. But you don't have to go as far. Just that you can actually seek God on your own (which C deny) and that there are men who do good (which C deny)
"the Lord is good to those who hope in him, to the one who seeks him" (Lam. 3:25)
Kendhal Tilùèn
Because the Bible doesn't explicitly say that people were regenerated doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen.
And when Calvinist say that nobody is "good" they mean that nobody can DO anything which is worthy of salvation.
A Calvinist would never deny that atheists and pagans can be excellent philanthropists; but that doesn't save anybody.
Mel V
Because the Bible doesn't explicitly say that people were regenerated doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen"
So you should remain agnostic on that matter then.
"And when Calvinist say that nobody is "good" they mean that nobody can DO anything which is worthy of salvation"
I know. And i don't have nay problem with that.
But that's not what Calvinist say..
Calvinists say that we are not able to respond to God's call. Which I think is not true.
(Job 1:1) my point exactly. Calvinism only addresses a part of the process of being saved and tries to apply its doctrines to all, believers and non-believers alike. In that sense it is a half-truth. It rejects scripture that teaches the opposite of Election/Predestination without actually thinking that maybe, just maybe, the original designers/thinkers of calvinism are human and not gods.
Those who seek me with all of their heart shall find me. Seek and ye shall find. Etc
Do you have a reference for the "Those who seek me with all of their heart shall find me," bit? I assume that is supposed to be from the Bible, but as far as I can tell, it comes from a "Prophetic word" by Jacky Julyan in a blog post titled _Wall of Fire._ I also see that one "Rev. Victor Robert Farrrell" said it in what he calls a "Dream Word" but without a specific citation beyond a vague "the Lord said."
Calvinism is a man made religion. Jesus died for everyone, Not just for selected people. That is not love. God is love. I pray folks will truly know the heart of Jesus. Blessings and remember Follow Jesus and not man
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Blessings. Calvinism isn't a religion or denomination.
It's a system of theology / soteriology.
God died for the world
But at the same time he died only for those who would believe in His name.
He might have died for the "world" but the substitutionary atonement is only for Christians.
If we apply the substitutionary atonement to EVERYBODY then that makes Christianity universalism, which I'm sure we'd both agree is not truth.
God may be love, but over everything He is HOLY HOLY HOLY.
Mel V Actually you are wrong, to say that Christ just died for Christians, is a mere misconception. John 3:16 is clear on this. By the way a quick question for you, If Jesus was to come right now( Rapture), would Jesus be coming for the christians alone? No , He is coming for those who have faith in Him, not denominations, not Christians, be careful of how you proclaim this!
Please listen to a debate on youtube between a Calvinist and a Catholic called:
Justification Debate - Bro. Peter Dimond vs Keith Thompson
Leary Haywood Christ died only for those who believe in Him and confess Him as Lord.
If someone truly has faith in Christ than they must explicitly believe He is God.
He is the way the truth and the life nobody goes to the father except through Christ.
We are saved by grace through faith in Christ alone as revealed through the bible alone for the glory of God alone.
This means that a true muslim cannot go to heaven since they deny Christ's Deity.
I will NOT be careful in my proclamation of the truth,
@Mel V
JESUS SAYS THAT MEN MUST RADICALLY CUT OFF OCCASIONS OF SIN TO AVOID HELL, NOT JUST BELIEVE
In Matthew chapter 5, we find the parable about cutting off one’s hand or eye to avoid Hell.
St.Matthew 5:29-30 "And if thy right eye scandalize thee, pluck it out and cast it from thee. For it is expedient for thee that one of thy members should perish, rather than that thy whole body be cast into hell. And if thy right hand scandalize thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is expedient for thee that one of thy members should perish, rather than that thy whole body be cast into hell."
This parable, which obviously refers to cutting off occasions of sins - things in life that will drag people into offenses against God - only has a meaning if sins and works are a part of determining whether one attains salvation. By cutting off sinful things and bad works, one will save his soul. Man’s sins and works are therefore a part of his justification. If man were justified by faith alone, this parable would not make any sense whatsoever.
Total Depravity
Scott Nelson, total depravity dosen't equate total inability. What is your message, please elaborate. Thanks
Jeremiah 33:3 also .
Dead does not relate to your “ability” but to your RELATIONSHIP.
...According to John 5:24 a dead man is able to hear and believe and pass from death to life:
JOHN 5:24-29
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, HE THAT HEARETH MY WORD, AND BELIEVETH on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but IS PASSED FROM DEATH UNTO LIFE.
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and NOW IS, when THE DEAD SHALL HEAR THE VOICE OF THE SON OF GOD: AND THEY THAT HEAR SHALL LIVE.
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Total MORAL depravity NOT inability
... According to John 5:40 Jesus says, “Ye will not” and He doesn’t say “Ye are not able to,”
JOHN 5:40
40 And YE WILL NOT COME TO ME, THAT YE MIGHT HAVE LIFE.
JOHN 6:35
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: HE THAT COMETH TO ME shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Dead means dead...no life
Robert Zanol Yes exactly no SPIRITUAL life. Doesn’t mean you can’t respond to God.
If we are really as dead as you say then we would not even be able to sin.
That's an incredible amount of theology and ideology for a god that doesn't exist. The Bible teaches that the sun and moon move (not the Earth) and that snow and hail are kept in a storehouse before god drops it on people. It's time to put the bronze age book of mythology back on the shelf.
Atheistic drivel from a mindless neo-atheist blindly believing sam harris & richard dawkins. You cannot even critique in a consistent manner.
Scott you are in a bad place to promote atheism. We already have the pitchforks out for when the Catholics attack. You don't want to anger us.
This is an incredibly ineffective comment to make in this forum. God bless you sir and may whatever within your heart leads you to make such comments may it be softened and brought to truth
Dead is NEVER SHOWN in the scriptures to mean MORAL INABILITY to respond to God’s truth.
**Dead means separated from the presence of God due to sin and the only way to get into His presence is through Christ.**
If we were actually dead dead as Calvinists portray then we wouldn’t even be able to sin!
**Why would Jesus have to blind those that are already spiritually dead?
Putting a blindfold on a corpse?
It’s because they WERE capable of seeing the truth which is why Jesus had to hide these things and speak in parables or else they would’ve believed and NEVER CRUCIFIED HIM!
1 CORINTHIANS 2:8
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would NOT have crucified the Lord of glory.
The fact is that the scriptures metaphorically address our condition as a sickness FAR MORE than as deadness. (Jer 17:9, 23; Mk 2:17; Lk 5:31; Mt 9:12; Ps 38:3; Is 64:6; etc)
And when speaking metaphorically of deadness it’s never described as a morally incapacitated condition from birth due to the Fall, but instead as a condition of being separated from God by our own rebellion.
For instance, the Prodigal was “DEAD/lost” then “alive/found” demonstrating that the term “DEAD” is idiomatic for “separated by rebellion” NOT “innate moral inability”
Just as our soul is separated from our body when we die so too sinful humanity is separated from God by his rebellion.
... According to Revelation 3:1-4 Jesus Himself describes the church of Sardis as dead yet still fully capable of repenting:
REVELATION 3:1-4
1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I KNOW THY WORKS, THAT THOU HAST A NAME THAT THOU LIVEST, AND ART DEAD.
2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I HAVE NOT FOUND THY WORKS PERFECT BEFORE GOD.
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and REPENT. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
Calvin was a reformist who lived during the 1500s who taught that God chose certain people to be saved and left the rest to be lost and go to Hell. This has led to misinterpreting scripture in various passages. So Calvanism isn’t good? No, not if you believe scripture as it is written. They teach that John 3:16 is referring to the world of God's elect. The elect are the only ones loved by God.
The problem with Calvinists is that they can't explain how humans got their deprived nature in the first place without making God look like a villain.
@Adam Myer: Study the doctrine of Pervasive Depravity and perhaps you can understand what Jeff is saying. Start with Isaiah 48.
It was because our first man Adam passed along the inheritance of the fallen nature to the rest of humanity.....like genetically sort of. Sin entered the world through him and that was the state of man thereafter til Jesus paid our sin debt and gave us a new birth in Him. Then we receive a new heart. Jesus raised us from the dead, made the blind to see. We could do nothing because of our dead fallen nature. God saves us. He doesn't condemn for we are already condemned.
**No one believes we come to God by any goodness in ourselves, we turn to God because of HIS goodness.
To say man is incapable to turn to God in response to what Gods done and revealed is to say that we are more powerful than Him.
Calvinism says the gospel appeal to be reconciled to God is not good enough.
God’s words will not be returned to Him empty.
The bible will accomplish the purpose for why it was written which is so people will believe if they humble themselves.
No one can seek God on our own.
WE’RE NOT ON OUR OWN ANYMORE!!!
He sent HIS SON.
He sent HIS HOLY SPIRIT.
We have HIS WORD.
He speaks to us through HIS CREATION
Faith comes from HEARING and hearing from the word.
Faith does not come from regeneration.
How does a dead thing come back to life on its own with no outside force doing something to it first? That is regeneration.
@@ZilamA dead thing doesn’t come back to life on its own that’s exactly what my comment said did you even read it?
I don’t make anyone who believes what you just said.
Very strange comment not sure why you’re posting that.
@@apilkey So I am confused on your original comment, I guess. You said that faith comes from hearing the word. That is not true. It comes BY hearing. Meaning hearing is the mode in which faith is brought to you, but not the source. Faith has to come somewhere else. It cannot come from us on our own, since we are dead (Eph 2:1) in our sin. Therefore, it has to come from God, as a gift (Eph 2:8).
Regeneration has to happen before we can believe (Titus 3:5). This is a work entirely from God (Romans 9:16, John 1:13, John 6:63). A clear example of this is Lydia in Acts 16:14. It clearly states that God FIRST opened her hear (regeneration) before she even heard the Gospel, and because of that she was saved.
@@Zilam why do you keep referencing Titus 3:5?
Where in that passage does it say this happens before you can believe?
It’s so sad and repulsive at the same time that people need a Bible, scriptures, commands and hell or heaven just to behave as decent human beings.
By what standard do you judge decent or indecent?
@@jtcharland by my inner voice and conscience
@@walterdaems57 where have your inner voice and conscious evolved from and how do you know they’re correct? What if someone else’s inner voice and conscious tells them it’s right to be indecent?
@@jtcharland everybody is captain of his / her own universe. One thing is for sure, bibles, scriptures, holy books and commands couldn’t prevent army’s of priests and believers to reach for crotch instead of cross, to name just one thing that comes to mind but I’m pretty sure you can think of a zillion other offences :)
Aside from that, when I look out of the window I don’t see army’s of atheists running down the streets raping, murdering or stealing like there is no tomorrow.
@@walterdaems57 Uh antifa? 🤔