Kinu m47 vs Comandante c40 - Coffee Grinder Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- What's the difference between Comandante C40 Mk4 and Kinu M47 Phoenix.
This is a general information. Don't pay attention to the emotions that much, I just really like the experience with the new one.
Episode with the taste comparison in a pour over (currently I've made only comparison at home but not brewed at the same time) will be soon.
SIMILARITIES:
Both grinders are capable of grinding for any brewing method. From Turkish Coffee up to Cold Brew.
Both made out of Stainless Steel.
Both suitable for Specialty Coffee and Competition level coffee.
Huge differences:
Comandante - clicks, Kinu - Stepless grind size adjustment (though it has a marks for the reference so you can replicate it).
Comandante - Stainess steel burr, Kinu - Steel with the treatment which allows to use it with RDT (drops of water), but that way the material is harder (63 HRC).
SPEED: Kinu is faster in any method.
BURRS: on Kinu you can switch it to a special Pour Over burr. Or use standard for everything.
CUP PROFILE:
Comandante - super clean
Kinu - more complexity and balance (very subjective, but meaning that there is a higher percent of a small particles).
Lid for Kinu m47 - wendstudio.shop/collections/k...
Timecodes:
0:00 - Comandante VS Kinu
0:37 - Philosophy of Comandante
2:19 - Philosophy of Kinu
4:12 - The Burr
7:22 - Grind size adjustment
8:12 - Cup profile (flavor)
10:30 - Disassembly
12:28 - The lid, handle
13:10 - Static
14:20 - Grinding speed
14:58 - The grip, the handle
18:14 - Carrying case, box
19:46 - Turkish coffee ans Espresso
So I finally got Kinu M47. My first coffe grinder is Timemore Nano. I canceled Comandante C40 order after I watched one of your videos. I wasn't sure which one to get. And I decided to get a bit different coffee grinder in the end, without clicks. I like that I can choose between espresso and pour over burr. And It does not have a lid. So thank you for comparison. It is helped me to decide.
Standard burr one is good enough for pour over :) But yeah, definitely better than not having an option for a cleaner cup
I have both M47 and C40
And I have to say, I like M47 over C40, even for pour over with standard burrs
That was the result of my observation as well. For some reason, more flavorful cup
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After watched your video. I did a blind tasting test with my partner. Both of us like Kinu better.
The different is quite narrow. I believe it is only noticeable in side by side comparison.
However, in terms of aesthetic and engineering. Kinu is a d solid choice.
Pour over burr will make the difference way more noticeable)
@@ViacheslavDruzhynin
I ordered the pour over burrs few days ago. And it will be arrived next week. I may try a blind test between standard burrs and pour over burrs.
@@ViacheslavDruzhynin
I tired the pour over burrs today; in my blind taste between pour over burrs and c40. I found aroma, acidity, sweetness from the coffee produced by the pour over burrs is more profound. I can imagine even if I compare both pour over burrs and standard burrs. The pour over burrs would have greater result.
After my blind tests. I would say Kinu M47 is a solid choice when we compare it with Commandante C40.
Hi Viacheslav! Excellent video! I wish I have seen it before I bought my Comandante C40 (exactly when this video was published). I did not regret purchasing this high end equipment, I love the definition of my pour overs, and the C40 I think is a good friend of the Hario TCA-3 also, but for advanced Moka pot, sometimes for Aeropress, I perceived that the aggressiveness and the harshness is a little bit too much... Kinda to “loud” flavors and strict grinding consistency by the German masters. Then I started playing around with a lever espresso machine… The flavor became even more harsh, and sometimes unbalanced. I thought the problems were because of my methods and poor knowledge, but even as a beginner home barista, I am trying to be very accurate, thoughtful and spontaneous at the same time, so a relized, that maybe one of the world's best grinders sometimes won't give the best results?? SO THIS VIDEO undoubtedly convinced me that I definitely have to buy a Kinu 47 to improve my espresso game... To reduce harshness and some acidity. Do you think getting a KINU will help taming light roast beans in lever espresso? Last question: I would love to see your clear and intelligent opinions regarding coffee brewing WATER types; GH and KH solutions; HOW hardness and alkalinity affect different beans and brewing methods, which kind of minerals do you use to remineralize distilled water, etc... Are you planning to explain this topic to your viewers?? Best Regards! Keep Up your Excellent Work! Cheers: Zoli
Or you just need to decrease the water temperature ;) The difference is perceived only when brewing side by side. Or in a row but within like 20 minutes.
Compared with fresh c60 a few days ago - the same peak in flavor (intensive), especially before aftertaste. But to smooth things out I'm always dropping the temperature or playing with the recipe.
With Comandante I used osmotic pulses till 1:00. With Kinu - 1:30. So it's probably better to brew shorter cups with Comandante (by doing each next pour earlier)
I'm only planning to make the series about water for the local channel since it's about local water options. "Filter stories" have a great episode in the podcast about the water. Very artistic and pleasant to listen to.
@@ViacheslavDruzhynin Great tip! My usual dial in routine for a new type of bean is usually comparative brewing with small V60 v1 cup batches (max 10g), and in this specific case the clarity and sharpness of the C40 gives me the quite perfect feedback about the bean characteristics... I will try you controlled osmotic flow (and temp ctrl) method today! Cheers
@@ViacheslavDruzhynin Yes, this sounds logical... Although if the starting "canvas" is destilled water, theoretically anyone of us can start from the same starting point anywhere; but OK; getting destilled water is also a problem... Thx for the podcast advice!
It'll be great to play with third wave water some day. And similar. But with my approach it'll take a lot of time 😁
Did the magnetic bottom on the kinu phoenix come with it or is it from the more expensive kinu?
As I recall, they had some jar (possibly - just with the o-ring but aluminum) which comes with the grinder if you get on their site. Otherwise it's possible to just order the jar. Magnets are 🔥
Thinking why to get a manual at that price when baratza is same but no manual effort? Unless portability is needed
Here are some benefits:
1. Less noise
2. Compact (and less cords). Better look in the corner
3. I feel the density of the beans and somewhat know what to expect and how to approach them in terms of brewing
4. Less popcorn towards the end
5. Real Zero retantion
6. Easier to clean
7. Can take it anywhere
8. Know that nothing will fail
9. Everyone need to use the body :)
Though, fellow opus is close to be a good grinder... I still don't want the sound of a motor in the morning) Don't sure if Baratza espresso will grind for Turkish, opus can.
The motor might fail? The electricity might go out? You get more of the cost put into the actual grinder, rather than electrical components.
I use a tires depth tool to tune in right grind size on my Kinu.
Why not just by brewing some cup and adjusting the numbers on the dial? Haven't seen how it looks and why)
What do you think is the best manual grinder for Turkish coffee.
I’m thinking it’s either going to be one of the comandantes the Kino or the Sozan
I’m thinking both flavor, but one thing that’s especially important to me is ease of grind
I hold it with my legs and luck my wrist since my dexterity issues do not allow me to grab the grinder with the other hand
I’m very interested to hear your thoughts
Keep up the great work looking forward to next video
For me currently Sozen is #1, Kinu #2, Comandante #3. But since Kinu is the fastest, it's #1 in terms of practicality.
I'll make a taste comparison Kinu vs Comandante. And possibly Kinu vs Kinu but pourover burr. This burr is slower and super easy to grind (but 40s for 8g...) But not sure it'll be better than the standard in terms of flavor
@@ViacheslavDruzhynin awesome thank you so much.
Will you be making more cezve videos?
I kind of missed those a bit
Of course, but it takes a lot of time to develop something interesting. Currently switched to the research about the grinder to make a proper review and detailed info about brewing. I need a budget for the content as well. That's why the cycles are relatively long. Making money > investing in the researches > filming. Shooting schedule is huge and I shoot what I want at the moment
@@ViacheslavDruzhynin that makes sense.
Looking forward to the reviews.
Your videos are always interesting.
So I’m excited for what comes next
Especially anything with Turkish coffee
But also, just whatever you have on your drawing board
Really interested to see a comparison between the three grinders though
Would also be very interested to hear your thoughts on a good option for a home electric grinder for Turkish coffee
I’m also interested to hear what your experience with direct induction compatible cezves are?
I’ve seen both stainless steel ones and copper that claim to go directly on induction.
Induction will always have some inertia and it'll be relatively hard to use. At least that's my prediction.
Even non Turkish coffee videos contain a very good knowledge about coffee overall which allows to use it in any brewing method. That's why I hop from one topic to another, overall knowledge is growing that way and easier to spot some important details and behavior.
Next episode with the Turkish coffee will be about measuring the extraction.
Also, I want to compare Standard burr and Pour over burr on Kinu for Turkish coffee.
I also shoot the content for a local audience at the same day. If I'll shoot more - quality will drop. Currently - researching the Kinu for pourover. Because it's important to have a proper understanding of the taste profile it gives
I am looking for a hand grinder that does it all (focus Espresso). And since I am from Germany Kinu might be the one. ;)
Customer Service might be easier compared to eg 1zpresso... Kinu comes with 5 year warranty.
Comandante is more expensive with red clicks... So, I am waiting for your pour over burr testing, but I think the normal one is sufficient enough... ;)
Current observations on pour over burr - smoother (less pronounced, intense) flavor. But the burr is slower. And less force required for grinding.
But it's not side by side comparison, have 1 brewer at home. Will do in a studio with the refractometer. Overall, standard one is great
Fun fact: M47 burr (inner, cone) - 32mm. C40 - 30mm.