Send Me Your Prototypes - Eluktronics LPP
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14:50 - Why sending protypes might be a bad idea
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Linus: "Alex adds like nothing to production value."
Alex: "Hey so I actually have a surprise and brought a competing product to showcase lol"
Eluctronics and XMG both use the same ODM.
@@tyaty ODM do you mean OEM?
@@chunkymunky4165 Original Device Manufacturer. Roughly translates to the same thing in practice, but it does have justification for co-existing with Original Equipment Manufacturer, because not all "Equipment" is a "Device".
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Original Design Manufacturer: They offer products which you can sell with with your own branding.
OEM: you contact them to manufacture a product to your specification.
People often mix up those two models.
That they didn't Benchmark!!!
Linus on video title: Send me your prototypes.
Linus on actual video: Why sending prototypes might be a bad idea.
Yeah, this can only work if it's not a video series, lol
I absolutely think LTT should go into consulting. "Designed in partnership with LTT" on a box would tell me there is an amazing product inside. I think LMG has set a standard in transparency for the entire RUclips platform, and would review a product that they had consulted on with little bias and probably additional scrutiny and honesty. Continue to pioneer and grow! P.S. Alex does bring production value for the more techie of us.
Absolutely, if a product had a "Designed in partnership with LTT" on the box I'd definitely be more inclined to at least look at it knowing that these guys seem to care about more than just money.
Totally. I would value that branding too.
I think they should absolutely not have such a label. Consulting doesn't mean that the product ends up being exactly as they want it, they just give some input. So that means that the result could be whatever and most certainly would still include certain issues, at least for some users. That would then mean the label just says "well LTT gave some input and we fixed, well, something, but not all" and that would not be what I want from LTT and their reputation.
@@LuLeBe It wouldn't have to work that way. LMG could only give out the label if the final product lives up to their standards.
That right there is the slippery slope they would be in, what if they have "Designed in partnership with LTT" and the product turns out to be some weird scam or bait & switch, LTT would receive lots of flak from the fallout, or what if the creator/owner turns out to be a real POS/creep yet they're associated with LTT now because of the branding?
Nothing should be LTT branded unless it's from LTT, too much risk of their name being dragged through the mud with how blood thirsty the internet is these days.
I would absolutely love to see them consult on more protypes, but keep any affiliation with the product non existant, they might offer a word of input on how to improve the prototype, but it shouldn't come with their name attached to the new and improved product
Consulting advice:
if you will do it, be careful to separate it from the youtube channel. This is very critical. You cannot do consulting with all the responsibility of it and then do a sponsored video, or a video at all.
We did and still do consulting and product development for years for international clients, and we saw many weird things happened with us and others. Keep all that in mind.
^^^^^ this right here iv done some work that i would have loved to show on youtube but wont from very early back ground work on a film set to helping a friend make custom tooling and machines for his company the vid i did on some storage racks for ups was borderline but as it was only for the local branch and for a friend i made a vid of it
It's nice to see a comment thread that isn't just "I've followed this channel for a few years now so I'd trust you to stay objective".
There is no way you could offer a design consultancy service and then objectively review your clients' products. Maybe, maybe, getting 'first look' access to prototypes and giving feedback as part of that process could work, but that would be limited to prototypes exciting enough to drive lots of video revenue.
This looks like a job for LTT Labs 😏
imagine telling LTT how todo there job lol also LABS cough cough
@@rjc862003 linus literally asked our opinion🤦🤦
prototype stuff is a lot more interesting than just standard junk, and fits into the same niche as the vids where you guys cover ancient tech
Exactly! I'd watch the heck out of that!
I love seeing things being designed and worked on. Everything from cardboard mock-up with electronics crammed in to "just prior" to finished product.
Make an LTT consulting firm with separate consultants trained by the main team. This way the people consulting have no control over your editorial direction.
add that functioality to labs
@@bluecraney1 that would be good, honestly I'd like to work doing that, it sounds like my dream job
@@clowntrooper1 look at the job posting. There are several up.
This is something I could see down the road or part of the LTT Labs once it is up and running fully.
Mmm... I don't know. The live video portion validates that the opinions of the reviewers are in line with the community. An entirely separate consulting team lacks that grounding.
A better solution imo would be to have the same team doing consulting and reviews, and separating the workflows at an individual level, i.e., no one reviews a product they consulted on.
This is honestly the nicest laptop for gaming/content creation I've ever seen. Much respect to Eluktronics for what they've done here. I also dig that they actually did fix the water drain and came on here to rightly defend themselves. Good work.
I love videos on prototypes. I especially love it when you revisit them in the future and the company has taken your advice. I'd really love to see more videos like this, and I'd also be down for LTT doing consulting. You guys have had an excellent track record of transparency and caring about the consumer in your product reviews so I'd love it if you were to provide companies with direct feedback on making products we actually want.
I love when Alex and Linus do episodes together!! Alex totally adds production value.
Because to us, Jankiness is a production value
@@lesliejames9404 Damn right it is!! 😂 🤣
Jankiness => entertainment => good
He's easily the worst thing on this channel, I just can't stand videos with him in
Good try Alex's alt account, good try
Speaking for myself (although I'm sure others will agree), I would totally welcome and trust the LTT team to consult on products. The end result would be a greater knowledge base and better product for the consumer, which is what we all want. I mean, your history speaks for itself; you rip apart the big and small names without remorse because they deserve it, and you give praise where it's deserved as well. If a company can't handle criticism, then they don't deserve to have you consult. Any company out there that doesn't think a positive experience shown on LTT is worth something, is missing out.
I think the LTT team is more than capable of consulting on products while remaining objective and not becoming brand name shills. Just like your Framework investment, be transparent about it and it will be fine.
i think LTT has been so reliable for such a long time that we know who linus is as a persons morals. hes gotten to the point where he is now by being the way he is and hes always been one of the most transparent tech youtubers. he has never given me a reason to think he would change, ive been a LTT sub since the very early days when he would do reviews outside lol
I think they would struggle to be sufficiently transparent and disinterested to both consult on and review a product.
@@armadillito why would they do that? linus literally owns part of another computer company and still gives honest and accurate reviews. giving consulting is just like asking your customers for advice except its at a higher level. linus isnt selling you anything, hes telling you opinions and some facts about stuff his company reviews.
Altho personally I'd only trust it if I know Linus is involved at some stage and approves
Couldn't agree more, transparency is key for sure.
I would love to see the process of consulting with manufacturers and the process of the changes in the final build. Keeping the reviews and the consulting separated, maybe with different teams, and complete disclosure in any media or coverage of the product. I don't see enough reviewers disclosing that they got their review unit for free or even on lone. If the consulting lab did the work and the video showing the progress came out later when the product was released, it would likely be good content but, more importantly, show us that the manufacturer wanted to see how to improve the product outside of their bubble of staff.
The amount of transparency in your videos the past year or so is really awesome! Every video is fun and super informative and I love it!
"The Eluktronics Liquid Propulsion Package" sounds like something Aperture would make, only it's Eluktronics
Edit: actually the whole laptop and pump system almost looks like something the Combine would make
the Combine r real
Maybe THIS is what the Combine found on the Borealis?
1:26 The one thing I've learned from LTT is that my computer components are way tougher than I thought.
(This was a joke meant not to talk about the box but the fact Linus is rough with everything and it's always fine.)
Well now we know why its leaking.
If your product inside it's packaging can't survive that, it will never make it to consumers.
@@cr1ms0n11 It's leaking because it's a prototype...
Anything you buy in a retail package has probably been treated much worse than what Linus did before it got to the retailer you bought it from.
As other comments said boxes get treated much worse by people shipping. Shit gets thrown and kicked around. Shit slides around on trucks and fall on top of each other.
LTT has earned my trust when it comes to fairly reviewing somethign they were involved with... Linus as shown time and again he values that trust.
The only stipulation would be clear disclosure that you consulted on the development of said product, which I am confident LTT would do.
what?
Thank you for being honest and asking the community. You should totally help company's and give your opinion. Loved watching this product evolve a little bit.
I love seeing early versions of products, it does give an insight into how companies design their products and what hurdles they have to overcome. And in the end, helping them improve their prototypes in the end makes the final product better.
For the record, I appreciate Alex's "jankiness," and enjoy the LTT videos where he's involved. 👍🏻
100% Alex's video's are some of my favorite.
Alex makes thing happen in the physical realm that other people at LTT just couldn't/wouldn't do. He brings the whole engineer/prototype workshop style of making things work that doesn't need to be polished cause it's only for a video or two, but that just wouldn't happen otherwise
i freaking love this type of content please do more consulting! its so interesting to see how much a product can change from prototype to prototype. plus who doesnt like seeing whats coming early?!?
Please do more stuff like this because I think yall have a good idea of what people want and might know enough of the business side of things to give context thanks to LTTStore
Have the consulting side of your company separated from the testing side. If you're testing side is completely blind to the consulting side , there is no conflict of interest.
But the only reason LMG could be relevant for consulting is because of the experience from all the testing they did...
@@stephaneduhamel7706 yea that is the type of business bs that wastes money
Consultants that cost tons of money with no experience outside of consulting
I'm struggling to understand why there would be a conflict of interest in the first place. Consultants aren't nearly as connected to the product development cycle as you seem to think they are.
@@dalektrekkie The conflict of interest would be if LMG started only giving thumbs up, screen time or recommendations to products they consulted on
The consultants would have to do more testing than a reviewer typically does, so that doesn't quite make sense.
I think you mean the review side has to do their own testing indepent of the consultant side. That way it is ensured that a product review isn't impacted by the fact LTT consulted on it, because the people testing the device for review, writing and presenting the review wouldn't know that another team at LTT tested and consulted on it previously.
To be on the safe side, Linus would need to organize that in a separate company/subsidiary, which he could call LCG (Linus Consulting Group), I guess.
I have this device, at least the XMG (europe) version with the 3080ti. I really like it. I've been able to adjust the fancurves for on air all the way down, so now I can game with speakers instead of headphones with no real problems! And with CPU and GPU staying below 65 degrees.
Might be a fanboy but I really like it so far
Underrated comment. 😊 // Tom
Water cooled laptops is such a good idea. You still have a portable device and the power when needed.
Heck. I’d even take the water cooler with me places. It’s not that big.
I might look to buy a few years down the road when things get worked out a bit. But I’m loving the concept.
ruclips.net/video/zO2x0JXrU5w/видео.html
You're not a fanboy, you're a waterboy
I know the pun is bad
I'm not sorry
Thanks for purchasing an "early" product. Hopefully in the future more people will be able to buy V2 thanks to people like you
Just to answer your question, this types of videos are awesome, as they are giving insights in thought processes companies go through before launching a new product. Keep it up.
Your prototyping monologue is one of the best support arguments i've heard for FDM manufacturing
Honestly you guys are always very blunt about things you don't like even with your own products so I fully support you guys consulting on products and still giving honest reviews on them. It's also really cool to see products that could have potential be displayed and even iterated on properly before making it to final production for us to get hype about and eventually purchase.
The one way I could see it working to consult on products and then review them later would be to do an A:B split kind of thing. Team/Resource A does the consulting on the product, Team B has no involvement with the product during this phase and during review time B takes over. That way you'd potentially ensure that the review is more impartial because the person had no part in trying to improve the product until that point.
Linus should open up Linus Consulting Group (LCG) as a subsidiary or even separate company, where a Team of experienced former LMG employees and new hires do their own testing for consulting, separate from the testing that's done for the reviews. And the employees working on the reviews (testing, writing and presenting) can't know which products the consultants team were and are working on, because it's a different company.
Not only that, but Team A would likely have very detailed benchmarks and engineering specs of the final product that Team B could use in their review/sponsorship. Linus has already stated that Labs will be doing a lot of the heavy lifting when it comes to the backend of the review process.
I think my favorite part of these videos is the enthusiasm that you talk about your sponsors with. Absolutely love it
Then us 2 million people proceed to double click the right of the screen...
Love the fact LTT are posting videos more frequently!!! Great content and always great teachings 🤙🏽
To prevent water from remaining in the loop can they just have a valve within the pumping station that removes access to water and makes the water pump run dry for a 10 second period to purge the system of water by acting as a temporary air pump. It can act as a requried safety measure kind of like ejecting your USB drive used to be.
You cant be running a pump dry as this damages most pumps, so this option wouldnt work. Additionally water pumps are not the same as air pumps. If you were to run a WC pump you wouldn't push any air, even in a vacuum .
Its mostly due to the slam prob.
An empty waterpump does not an airpump make.
@@wafu6058 You can design a pump to run dry. It's not usually preferred or nearly as sustainable, but it's possible. Small sprayers for utv/atv applications are capable of being run dry to empty the system for storage during winter.
well that would require smart control if it chould a secound perge pump for the air as the others seid and a valve of some sort to switch them
personally i am a huge fan of these reviewing prototype videos, id love to see more!
I love this type of content as long as you continue to be transparent where concerns or issues may pop up IE. conflict of interest. I really honestly felt like you and Alex weren't picking on the product for the hell of it, everything is constructive and honestly not far from the average tech consumer in many ways. We need more people out there doing that.
I love your takes on new products and product development, I'd love to see more content from LTT from a consulting perspective, I think there's a lot of interesting information to be found there!
XMG and Eluktonics actually use the same manufacture. They don't manufacture anything in house, their supplier are Taiwan or HK based and also supply other lower brands.
I love how fun this is Laptop is ! I also love that when you are at home like most of the time you can get 100% of your hardware's power by connecting water cooling and headphones will cancel noise for most people
please do more! so fun to see new things people are working on!
i think consulting on these is ok as long as you show what issues you found, and how the company fixed or didnt fix them as you disclosed them. as long as you keep transparency it should be great, because sometimes companies need a bunch of uber nerds to just mess with it to come up with real world issues or fixes.
I love the idea of consulting on tech. It’s exciting to see Linus get excited by new tech and new ideas. He has such a passion for tech and it’s infectious.
That moment at 8:00 is another great reason why I love and respect LMG so much. Rejecting a sponsor because they under-delivered, really shows integrity.
Totally agree, we all get confused sometimes about a laptop that seems way faster than a dekstop. But after testing it's the other way around.
I sometimes compare it to cars, that some turbo's cars can get heatstroke fast. Means the power gets reduced after just a few minutes of hard-driving.
If you bought a car for the track you will be disappointed if that's an issue, but the manufacture doest not tell the customer that, it's only in the manual on page 324.
i like the idea to review stuff that you guys consulted on as long as you are also point out flaws and challenges you had during the consultation and how challenges were over come.
Looking at prototypes is much, much more interesting to me than your reviews of finished products. Definitely would love to see more of this sort of thing in the future.
I would LOVE to see more videos like this. If you really want to isolate things, I could see another channel for previews and team isolation for a given product's prototype and the market review team.
Maybe something with Labs in the mix?
Once im ready to buy a new laptop in the next 4years if this is a fully fleshed out product I would totally look into this product.
I'd love to see more prototype products, it's a great way for consumers to become more aware of how their items are made, what the design and manufacturing process entails, plus it's super interesting!
i really liked the editing on this video, somehow it felt different and more fun than the last few
Send Me Your Prototypes
And Linus will start smacking the crap out of them.
That's a good test isn't it ;)
That would be a fun job, to test prototype designs and recommend improvements.
another channel in coming ))
Its a lot more paperwork than testing stuff
As consultants i would trust you guys far more than the average consultant out there simply because you actually maintain honesty and take the real world perspective when it comes to using something. Not saying that there aren't consultants out there that do the same thing, but my experience does dictate that.
I love these kind of prototype videos, find some of the ideas very cool and fun to watch
Document your recommendations, even make videos of your contributions. When you review the products make sure to point out all the things you recommended, that made it to the product.
Any kind of consulting work is likely to have some kind of Non-Disclosure agreement.
Honestly this is a pretty cool idea. The issue with "gaming laptops" has almost always been they are HEAVY, hot and BIG. Well now companies are trying to slim them down a lot and it's coming at the expense of performance from the components in the laptop. Paying for such high end components only to get 70% of their performance is trash. Enter the best of both worlds: your gaming/high performance laptop is thinish so using it away from home is reasonable. But when home, hook it up to the water cooling system and now you've got 100% performance and a beast of a laptop.
isn't this the same idea with external gpu?
@@NavrasNeo except in this video they are talking about the i7 being throttled down due to temps too. Water cooling keeps EVERYTHING cold. Not just the gpu.
But yes, that is a measure to achieve a similar effect.
@@NavrasNeo except with an external gpu you dont have 70% of the performance when youre out and about but 0%.. id say this is a better sollution
@@narojdebeste well not 0% since there needs to be an iGPU. but yea, depends on what you do out and about. if you dont expect to game and want a thin and light, eGPU might be the way to go (assuming an eGPU will be on par with a build in GPU, which might really be the actual problem right now). if you dont mind a little thinker and heavier and want 70% performance on the go, then this external cooler is the way.
@@NavrasNeo kind of but egpus are still bad value imo
Realistically - A latop review every 6 months or whatever you said would be a GREAT idea. A very changing market and having that information ready and waiting would amazing for so many people. Also, If I have any questions about tech or new products, I firstly look on youtube to well informed, nerdy, amazing guys like LTT. If they've reviewed it or looked at it or ANYTHING, you can bet I'll know the great, good, bad and ugly about said product. I know for a fact if i were to order something and saw it said something along the lines of 'partnered with LTT' you can bet all doubts and hesitation i'd have had would be out the window.
Loved seeing a little behind the scenes in this one!
This tech should just be a turned into a dock rather than portable. I'd love a powerful enough laptop to travel with but then when I got home dock the laptop to use multiple screens, keyboard, mouse etc but with the laptop now being water cooled while in the dock.
it would work, but it wouldnt work as well unless its purpose built. A unversal dock wouldnt work as well. Im not sure how good it would be though
To add to this, a function of the dock could be a travel button where it then sucks the water out of the laptop prior to disconnect. That would be slick
@@b2dmastersniper Yeah. A some kind of pump that would blow out all the water by a single eject button.
I’m really excited to switch from a liquid cooled high end pc and a midrange laptop to just one liquid cooled laptop. Hoping for some minor revisions for 13th gen.
What're you getting?
I'm just curious. Been watching ltt for 6 years and mkbhd, dave2d for years, I still have not that much of an understanding of specs, etc. Just love their content and enthusiasm :)
Thanks for the updated video. I can certainly see the appeal of a mobile platform for work and then going home, plugging in , and gaming.
If you do consultations and then review the same product, you must be upfront about it to both the vendor and your audience. If if you consult, you can still give a review with pros and cons. If you consult and review the same product then your viewing audience knows that you are trying to be both fair and business minded.
Yes you guys should do consulting when offered to do so. I feel like the LTT team has a great amount of different perspectives on the tech without being involved in the development of these products. That's a really valuable opinion to improve products and it would be a great way to show more of the interesting tradeoffs manufacturers have to make when developing new products, while making the end product better for the consumers.
Since the sound is coming from an external box, you could probably mitigate some of it by placing some sound dampening foam between you and the pump box? Making sure not to suffocate it, of course.
I think the tubing is only like a foot long, so not much you can do about the noise.
You could definitely build a rig to dampen the sound pretty well. For at home use in a fixed spot at least. A set up for on the go would be harder.
I never thought I would appreciate seeing an upload more. Managed to lose a PC we use for Business due to a burst pipe and the second is looking sketchy. Big shout out to Greek Plumbing 😂
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Yeah Greek plumbing ain't the best 😂
@@CreaxxOG Electric aswell. 2 powercuts over the past few days. The sun makes up for a lot of the bad parts 😆
@@jamb90 mate not when the power is out and the air conditioner isn't working and it's 40C in the summer
Luckily it has cooled down to 14 tonight, mid to high 20s daily. Is rough, for a guy who never charges his phone the power dies when i am at 6% battery 😆
editing on this video was amazing!
Glad to see Prema get a shout out, he is one of my personal heroes, making free modded bios with extras and better control for clevo laptops. Glad to see he is still doing what I think he does best.
I think Labs is gonna end up doing science, reviews, video content creation and Consultation work. They send a product for testing and you, in whatever form, contribute to the development of a product. Some will want you more work done, more hands on and it'll be Consulting. There's a good market for it. Already, you have one of my dream shops for such work. Just add a little more science (i.e. the Lab 2) and you're golden.
3:03 alex has come a long way, I don't think he'll go postal anymore, and he's done some great builds and projects , Linus be sure to give him a good appraisal.
uh Alex went postal in the past....?
But I liked more energic Alex
Totally do the consulting. I believe that even if you give your ideas to improve a product, you will be totally honest if it sucks or is absolute sh%t. You have shown time and time again that if the product you review has flaws, you test honestly and are honorable in disclosing everything. You and the crew have proven your integrity and earned our trust.
I also wish GN Steve would consult for more case manufacturers before they put out a case. There would be some kick ass cases going out in stores.
Manufacturers could release products that could potentially be incredible for ease of use and best possible performance.
Please more stuff like this. Show us the future. Thank you
I could see this being useful for competitive gaming set-ups that would require that kind of laptop, at least if you can find a space to carry both the big laptop & the water cooler around with you.
If you have all that space and can carry that stuff... You probably have enough for a straight up gaming rig.
Especially if you want to go high tier competitive
@@splittedspark1675 lol i find it funny ppl try to find any reason at all to justify this stupid idea
@@dontmatter4423 its not stupid if you don’t want to have to buy a laptop and a desktop. You can take it with you as laptop anywhere you want to go and use it as desktop while gaming at home.
@@ducjduck Yeah it's not stupid...until u actually start using it and slap yourself in the face for buyer's remorse
I'm surprised linus didn't sell... I mean auction off this prototype for charity
I like the coverage of early samples. You have a strong enough team that the suggestions should be taken seriously by the manufacturer and sometimes the bad results from early samples is hilarious
do it! hell yeah. you guys see and test more stuff than most. your opinion is valuable to more than 1 million people every week. I don't see conflict of interests, I see improvements on future products and I'm excited to see what will change because of it.
I would love to send my prototypes to ltt for consulting! I get approach by companies in silicon valley ALL THE TIME to design products with the wierdest of ideas
Love to send some stuff!
Can your product withstand the LTT "Drop Test"???🤔🤭😂😆🤣
Love the editing, give the editor(s) a pay-rise!
I actually really enjoy consulting on early prototypes. It's really interesting to brainstorm about issues like the original had, and to see how they improve it.
YES WE WANT more of such videos !!!
I personally feel that having an even lighter and slimmer laptop without the 3080 ti and then being able to plug that into a watercooled egpu 3080 ti standing on the desk would be a LOT more interesting and reliable than this. And would allow you to upgrade your card as well as have an external monitor attached to it permanently.
That would certainly seem a more sensible appoach in most circumstances. Sensible is so much less fun though!
The problem with that yes its viable but you get bottlenecks from the egpu to the laptop because the wires just cant handle it then there is latency and other issues too, they have done videos of egpus also explaining how much performance you lose in comparison to a normal one.
@@Ifrixiation I believe those bottlenecks mostly occur, when the video signal has to be transferred back into the laptop to show it on the integrated screen. But when you plug an external monitor directly into the eGPU, that bottleneck should disappear, right?
The problem is still egpus having pretty bad performance for the money. few hundred for the enclosuore and bandwidth bottlenecks
Honestly I love this idea. Having a towel in a draw at your desk that you can pour drops of water on to before you leave is such a small ask for huge performance gain.
I hope laptop companies start producing similar products in a few years.
This is completely inconvenient in every way possible. Just build a desk top at that point for home use and have a 14" for travel. Its not like the actual laptop and cooler are portable. More just moveable.
Love that there's generally being put more effort and interest into portable devices!
I would love to see you guy test early products and prototypes. Seams like a awesome thing for LTTLabs to handle.
another example of how much cooling has changed in the years: i used to run a 3570k and then a 1700x both overclocked on a 212 evo and i would get decent temps. nowadays tho, my 5900x is barely overclocked and it runs 90c on a triple rad aio.....oh how times have changed.
I have a 5900x on 4.425 or 4.5ghz at less than 1.2v I think 1.9375 on a dark rock pro 4. Turn down your voltage my mobo had a table for it at 1.4v out of the box!
I'm currently doing a PhD that is funded by the company I work for. As much as I love it, I know that every single paper I publish with have to have an acknowledgment of possible conflict of interest. I'm not saying that there will be conflict of interest of course, but the human ability to be sceptical could always bring questions over the authenticity and reliability of your reviews. Especially considering the investment with Framework which could easily bring in financial implications rather than just damage to reputation.
If you were to do a consultancy role, you would have to ensure that it is kept entirely separate from LTT with effectively no sharing of knowledge that isn't in the public domain.
skeptical*
@@ACE112ACE112 showing your ignorance there. Skeptical is the american/Canadian spelling. Sceptical is the correct spelling
i love the passion and excitement in this video! and i'm right there with you!
it's incredible how much knowledge Linus got from his merch and products manufacturing and how much he shares it with us it's so helpful and interesting
Wow. Linus already knew the risks of trusting a public review channel with your very precious prototypes. Hmmmm....
I trust you guys to still give us a fair review of a product you guys consulted on as long as you don't benefit from it if the product is sold more. I'd personally love to see more content about prototypes and experimental hardware, I think it would shine a great light about what goes into production.
This stuff is good as long as there are two or more reviews of the product during production. You had the early prototype and gave feedback. Now that they had the opportunity to fix the issues and show the progress of the product it will allow the consumer to make a better decision in purchasing.
I don’t understand why laptop manufacturers don’t offer a “Home Dock” where you can have a laptop you can lug to work/class and then “dock” it at home to play games. I mean how convenient would it be to have display output and water cooling and a bigger power supply at home so you basically have a desktop that you pick up and use as a laptop on the go.
This aged like milk.
This is a really cool video, would get me hooked on a series doing prototypetechreviews
I enjoy yalls consulting work
I know its a prototype. But tell them, to make this golden, conver the cooler into a docking station. Give it power delivery and data transfer for the laptop. Maybe even include a HDD docking station into it.
Yeah they really need to integrate the power plug with the quick attached water. That way when you're on the move you can just use a regular power plug but then they can integrate the plug into the water connection so that it's slicker would connect it
@@ionstorm66 They could probably do with a better cooling solution. I'm pretty sure it's just a 140mm radiator with a 140mm fan. I'd like to see what kind of results they get after running that system hard for 4+ hours like a hard-core gamer might. I know they're mobile versions with limited TDP, but you're still cooling the CPU, GPU, and who knows what else inside that rig on a single cooling loop with a single square radiator with a single fan of unknown origin. It's probably going to heat soak eventually, and that's not something they seem to have tested here. I'd probably make this cooler a 280mm radiator with 2 fans, and maybe even have a push-pull configuration with 4 fans for redundancy. And yes, I'd also integrate some docking functions (and make the connector to the dock part of the quick-connect) for your "home base" USB peripherals, LAN connection, and whatnot. There's definitely room for improvement in the design, especially considering that this is likely going to be sold at a premium price point. This is not a low-budget setup.
@@megachonk9440 dude, its a laptop. completely ignoring the power of the components, just compare the physical size of the normal laptop cooling solution to this. it is going to make a difference even if it was a 120mm rad.
@@megachonk9440 Its only a 280 watt power brick. So less than a desktop 12900K from the entire laptop. Desktop 3080Tis are 350 watt stock and up to 400 watt on stock founders cards. Laptop 3080ti cap out at 150w. A single 120/140 is more than enough to keep the laptop cool. Also the pump is the loudest part of the unit, so a faster fan could also be used without actually making it louder.
One minute since the video is posted. 80+ comments. Are people that eager to score internet points?
I mean there is no possibility you've seen or understood his content yet :O
Every comment is 'amazing video'
dude doesn’t know what a bot is in 2022
@@colinw1692 sounds like something a bot would say
Yes please, do consulting! Not only would it help your business develop further but it would help everyone of us getting better products with less hassle and headaches. Isn't that the whole reason the channel and purpose was created? So unless it's just absolutely not possible for some reason, I would fully support the endeavor.
Very cool to see companies listening!! Can't wait to see V3!!
I already sent you my prototype Poop Cleanser Toothpaste Maker Machine aka the PCTMM. Did you get it?
I think LTT having a “conflict of interest is fine especially if it is stated clearly. I would like to think the average viewer of this channel was someone who can think about the product that you talk about and make their own decisions about whether the features or recommendations from you guys are actually going to worth the price for them. Yes conflicts of interest in business are to be worried as long as you show your cards when reviewing them “like how you have to do when you’re sponsored” it should be fine. Having faith in your viewer to think for themselves is part of the relationship companies like yours has to their audience. You were sponsored to review this product previously and you tore it to shreds for its downsides, as long as you keep your scrutinizing standards the consulting shouldn’t be a problem.
I agree. State clearly if it's something you consulted on, and do your best to remain unbiased. Something to help you remain unbiased would be to have both a consulting person AND a non-consulting person work on the review. Start with the non-consulting person giving their full review, then bring in the consulting person after to cover what they suggested during the consultation and to check of any of it is better/worse/the same. It would be cool to see what results the consulting had on the product, but would also help maintain the integrity of the review by having transparency. Like, if a review of a gaming mouse had a critique like a certain button had a slightly mushy feeling and the consultant comes on afterwards and says something like, "yeah, it was waaaaay worse before, this is almost tolerable now." it would be cool to see what progress had been made on the product.
At this point I can't imagine anyone would question you're ability to impartially breakdown any products that come across our screens, or anyone at LTT for that matter. Especially when it comes to products like these where you're just as excited to see cool innovations like us
Definitely do more early product reviews like this. they are so interesting!
I trust that you will say the truth even if you worked on it. In fact, you helping make it would make me more likely to buy it because I know you wont settle for a mediocre product.
I hope to invent something someday and my dream is to send you my prototype and have you tear it apart.
Do the consulting. You guys would have great input. Hard to manage the potential conflict of interest but it's possible.
This didnt age well
I would love to see you guys review pre production products! I feel like a lot of good products could come out of that. Even the best products designers/engineers are going to make mistakes if they know little about the people their product is going to and what people expect from a product of whatever nature they are going into.
Yes please consult on products. We trust you guys and your opinions. You guys like cool tech as much as we do or more and it would only benefit us all to have another set of eyes on the tech we want to make sure it is as good as it can be. Seems like it would help pay for the fun toys and cool people in the lab (either directly through the manufacturer paying you or from videos). Speaking of The Lab, maybe make “The Lab 1” be where all the cool employee stuff is like the lounge since it sounds like it is centrally located for the other buildings. Also that would be a way of knowing not only how often it gets used but by who so you could better tailor the area for what people want!
I'm honestly impressed by the time and effort you put into these videos, Keep it up! ❤
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