It has more contrast on the XT-4 because the 35 F2 lens is known for its higher contrast which is one of the reasons I love it especially for black and white work. That goes for all the Fujicron lenses. Great video!
I see! I have a black & white video coming out soon, just waiting on the film scans, so we'll really see the contrast difference on that one. Thank you!
Thank you! I have a 1/4 pro mist as well, it does help soften things up. Can be a little much during the day though! I’m thinking about getting a 1/8 as well.
Incredible video and music choice ! Thanks a lot for this video ! And yeah +1EV would do the trick. As a film photographer I went for GFX 50s for film simulation and match Pentax 67 depth of field with 1.4 aperture on GFX. The biggest issue to this day is the inability to change green hue. I just can’t understand why we can’t adjust greens, but only red and blue... soooo strange. The key recipe for any Portra film is to get cool greens. Just notice by looking foliage and trees on Portra 400, it has that cold greens/turquoise color of greens. This is the very crucial point. When I get the cooler greens on GFX 50s Im loosing magenta (red) because Im going away from magenta - 5 red, and skin tones looks weird. This is the pain in the ass!! It’s actually same when you want to calibrate your LCD or EVF , you don’t have access to green hue. Crazy .
Thanks so much man! Hmm that's interesting, from what I've seen and from my own experience, Fuji Pro400H has cool greens while Portra has warm greens. But yes, it is a bit limiting Fuji only allows you to adjust reds and greens, even on the higher end GFX series.
I always wondered what recipes were as well, you broke it down real easily for me. Thanks for this video! I plan on getting a Fuji XT4 myself soon and can't wait to shoot these film style photos
Great video, it's really close between the two. I think a lot of it has to do with the lenses, the Fuji obviously handles flare a lot better and that's where you can see the biggest difference in contrast. Adapting vintage glass could make it neck-and-neck.
@@christiansumalpong It depends on how much flare you want :P Older lenses will have no or fewer coatings and will flare easier. If you want a 50mm equivalent you can't go wrong with a Takumar 35mm f3.5.
Love the punchy reds you get with portra. Not something usually mentioned. The blue shift to green in the skies gets me every time. most simulations are too warm and yellow. Can get a bit muddy.
Awesome review. But the recipe still looks more saturated than the actual film. except for the reds. The reds are more vibrant on the actual film. But i heard portra 400 really pumps up the reds. That's what it's known for. All in all, the recipe just doesn't achieve it, so it needed some tweaking. Thanks for the comparison.
This is great. Really helps understand the film. Portra is so well balanced but incredibly hard to simulate. I would love to open these side by side images in capture one to study them. Is this possible? Thanks for uploading such a great video!
I feel the struggle. When I first got the X-700 from eBay, it was super clean and meter turned on with new batteries but it wouldn’t fire/advance shutter. Had to get it serviced right away 🥴
The 35mm is so much nicer. No digital camera has yet to capture the magic of film. The fujifilm lenses are also overly perfect and clinical which doesn't help either.
I agree! Nothing beats the look of real film. I could use a vintage lens adapted, or even a pro-mist filter on the Fuji lens to help soften the look though! Probably will try that next time.
@@christiansumalpong It'd be a lot of work but it would be great to use the same lens for each shot, with an adapter. I reckon an adapter for that Minolta lens would be ~$30?
@@spanishmackerel I could! And I might, but I mentioned this in another comment as well: since the XT4 is a crop sensor camera, using the same lens on both bodies wouldn't be using the same focal length as a 50mm full frame lens would become a 75 on the XT4. But I still might try it out anyway!
@@christiansumalpong I saw that afterward and thought about it: I don't think the fact that the APSC one showed less stuff would really negatively affect the point of the experiment, which is the LOOK of the stuff, and how much that is or isn't affected by the lens. You could even crop the film images to match. Clearly the film versions blow away the digital, and it would be nice to find out whether adapting a vintage lens might help that. I myself also have an X-700 and I have a Fuji X s10 arriving in a couple days....I guess I could try it.
man, I guess you tried the new portra 400 film simulation recipe for xtrans 4. Try the very first one. In my opinion, the first kodak portra 400 recipe from fujixweekly is closer to the actual film look. Btw, great vid. Keep doing vids like this!
Yes, I used the latest iteration as I was using the X-T4. Just wanted to keep true to the creator’s vision. Maybe I’ll do a video comparing the different versions! Thank you!
@@ramoftherose Are you using one of the latest Fuji cameras? If so, and you're trying out one of the older recipes, yes simply just leave those settings to off or at 0.
@@ramoftherose Yes then in that case, simply just follow the settings listed and whatever isn't, leave at 0 or off. Or you could even experiment and set them to whatever you like!
The X-Trans III cameras such as my X-H1 don't have either a grain size or a color chrome setting, but otherwise this recipe does remind me enough of real Portra to keep me from having to develop and scan it.. I mean unless I just really gotta roll out my own Minolta X-700. I even have the motor drive and date back options :-D
While all the Fuji X monkeys are taking about recipes only you have actually gone out and made a professional comparison. amazing work and you are an excellent photographer.
The film sim looks very off compare to the portra or even the video - which seems to be some sony a7. 4:40 the vegetation is more saturated and darker than real film. Also more yellow hue. 4:47 both real film and the sony agree on the color - cyan, where as the film sim is blue. 5:02 film sim has more saturated yellow.
Hi Christian. Thanks for your excellent video. There are 2 versions for Portra 400 in the site and v2 looks better for me as the recipe of Portra 400 analog film... You use v1. What do you think about v2? Thanks.
Thanks Hamza! Yes, when I filmed this video, only v1 had been available. They released v2 with their mobile app in December - I loaded v2 up in my XT4 but have been shooting film more lately. I might make a video trying out v2 sometime soon!
Yes I did follow the X-Trans IV recipe exactly. But I do agree, it seems a little warmer and more saturated than the recipe for the XT3 and earlier. Thank you!
I haven’t! But that seems like a good idea. However, since the Fujifilm is a crop sensor, using the Minolta 50mm 1.7 on it would make it a 75mm. To make up for that I’d have to use the Minolta 35mm which comes in 2.8 and 1.8, then at that point they aren’t the same lens. But it’d be close enough so I might try that out!
Surely! The recipes are more used to get the filmic look straight out of camera, without the need for post-processing. But processing those files would definitely take it even further!
@@erikleypoldt8275 Yes grain can be added in camera, and was done so in this video as part of the recipe. You can edit the Highlight and Shadow adjustments in camera to get less contrast, but it is not quite the same as "Fade" like you see in photo editing apps in VSCO and such.
I hate to admit it, but a lot of the time I preferred the XT4 images. There were some I liked the actual Portra better, but for the most part in this particular test I think the XT4 outshined the Portra. Good video Christian.
Also good to keep in mind Portra has some leeway built in for increasing contrast and vibrance. A lot of the work it is used for ends up looking more like the Fuji images after post.
@@christiansumalpong Literally anything else (or no music at all. Don't be a copy paste of every other analog camera video. Using this type of music is such a meme. Be creative
@@christiansumalpong I'm sorry that I sperged out like that, it's just that this type of videos with this genre of music are so overused that it's pretty laughable. (please don't be another channel thats like that)
@@annhirro3908 no worries at all. I understand that it’s a meme and people are tired of it, but at the same time I understand why people use it. I’ve watched similar photo type videos with different music that just didn’t match what was going on and took me out of the experience. To each their own. Thanks!
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-2 contrast +1 compensation - 2 color saturation and they’re pretty close
Thank you very much
That would probably work! Thank you as well.
It has more contrast on the XT-4 because the 35 F2 lens is known for its higher contrast which is one of the reasons I love it especially for black and white work. That goes for all the Fujicron lenses. Great video!
I see! I have a black & white video coming out soon, just waiting on the film scans, so we'll really see the contrast difference on that one. Thank you!
Nice photos! Looks like a +1 on the xt4 exposure compensation would have got you even closer. Nice vid!
I think so too! Thanks man!
Extra stop exposure and a little desaturation overall would be spot on.
TOTALLY AGREE!
Great video, I use a tiffen pro mist 1/4 filter to take the edge off digital. It seems to work well with the Fujifilm film simulation.
Thank you! I have a 1/4 pro mist as well, it does help soften things up. Can be a little much during the day though! I’m thinking about getting a 1/8 as well.
Same here with my gfx 50s . Using Tiffen black pro mist . Gives analog look
Dude, you deserve way more subscribers. I think you should do more videos like this. It’s helped me replicate film way more accurately on my Fuji
Incredible video and music choice ! Thanks a lot for this video ! And yeah +1EV would do the trick.
As a film photographer I went for GFX 50s for film simulation and match Pentax 67 depth of field with 1.4 aperture on GFX. The biggest issue to this day is the inability to change green hue. I just can’t understand why we can’t adjust greens, but only red and blue... soooo strange. The key recipe for any Portra film is to get cool greens. Just notice by looking foliage and trees on Portra 400, it has that cold greens/turquoise color of greens. This is the very crucial point. When I get the cooler greens on GFX 50s Im loosing magenta (red) because Im going away from magenta - 5 red, and skin tones looks weird. This is the pain in the ass!! It’s actually same when you want to calibrate your LCD or EVF , you don’t have access to green hue. Crazy .
Thanks so much man!
Hmm that's interesting, from what I've seen and from my own experience, Fuji Pro400H has cool greens while Portra has warm greens. But yes, it is a bit limiting Fuji only allows you to adjust reds and greens, even on the higher end GFX series.
Those folks over at FujiXWeekly are really fantastic people. This must’ve been a fun location to shoot at, no?
They do the Lord’s work! Yes it was, aside from the full blown mosquito assault.
Salamat, mate. Wow. Can't beat Porta 400 film. Beautiful.
You got that right! Thank you for checking it out man
Cool comparison! It’s pretty impressive how close the film recipe actually is.
Thank you! Yes it is! Fujixweekly actually released a 2nd version of this recipe for new Fuji cams, I have yet to try it out but it looks interesting!
I always wondered what recipes were as well, you broke it down real easily for me. Thanks for this video! I plan on getting a Fuji XT4 myself soon and can't wait to shoot these film style photos
Thank you! I'm glad to be of any help. You're really going to enjoy that camera, have fun!
Did you end up getting the xt4? If so how are you liking it?
Even though i only have xt100 most of the recipe working fine and nice vid man! You earn new subscriber
Yes, a lot of recipes still work great on most other Fuji cameras! And thank you so much!
Great video, it's really close between the two. I think a lot of it has to do with the lenses, the Fuji obviously handles flare a lot better and that's where you can see the biggest difference in contrast. Adapting vintage glass could make it neck-and-neck.
I’m thinking of trying it out! Do you have any lens recommendations? I know the list is out the wazoo but any place to start is good
@@christiansumalpong It depends on how much flare you want :P Older lenses will have no or fewer coatings and will flare easier. If you want a 50mm equivalent you can't go wrong with a Takumar 35mm f3.5.
@@Skux720 I’ll look into it! Thank you!
One could adapt the actual lenses from the X-700. That would make another test variable closer to the same.
Final images turned out really close to portra. I would probably just add +1 exposure on the XT4 to bring them even closer. Keep it up!
Yes I think that would have done the trick, as well! Thank you!
Love the punchy reds you get with portra. Not something usually mentioned. The blue shift to green in the skies gets me every time. most simulations are too warm and yellow. Can get a bit muddy.
Colors a little richer in the film simulation. Which to like best is purely a personal preference. Good comparison. I subscribed.
Great stuff. I think reducing contrast, clarity, and/or dehaze would get you even closer although the color is pretty close.
Yes, could definitely get them looking closer if I edited them a bit more. Although it gets most of the way just straight out of camera!
Awesome review. But the recipe still looks more saturated than the actual film. except for the reds. The reds are more vibrant on the actual film. But i heard portra 400 really pumps up the reds. That's what it's known for. All in all, the recipe just doesn't achieve it, so it needed some tweaking. Thanks for the comparison.
A black pro mist filter would make them an even better match for sure.
This is great. Really helps understand the film. Portra is so well balanced but incredibly hard to simulate. I would love to open these side by side images in capture one to study them. Is this possible? Thanks for uploading such a great video!
Watching this video while being sad that the mirror on my minolta x700 is stuck up, and I can’t shoot Kodak gold on my x-t3 and on film :)
I feel the struggle. When I first got the X-700 from eBay, it was super clean and meter turned on with new batteries but it wouldn’t fire/advance shutter. Had to get it serviced right away 🥴
Which metering mode do u use on fuji xt4 ?
Great video would love to see more
does it work on the x-trans 1?
The 35mm is so much nicer. No digital camera has yet to capture the magic of film. The fujifilm lenses are also overly perfect and clinical which doesn't help either.
I agree! Nothing beats the look of real film. I could use a vintage lens adapted, or even a pro-mist filter on the Fuji lens to help soften the look though! Probably will try that next time.
Chillax bro. Use some vintage lense will give u a closer feel bro
@@christiansumalpong It'd be a lot of work but it would be great to use the same lens for each shot, with an adapter. I reckon an adapter for that Minolta lens would be ~$30?
@@spanishmackerel I could! And I might, but I mentioned this in another comment as well: since the XT4 is a crop sensor camera, using the same lens on both bodies wouldn't be using the same focal length as a 50mm full frame lens would become a 75 on the XT4. But I still might try it out anyway!
@@christiansumalpong I saw that afterward and thought about it: I don't think the fact that the APSC one showed less stuff would really negatively affect the point of the experiment, which is the LOOK of the stuff, and how much that is or isn't affected by the lens. You could even crop the film images to match. Clearly the film versions blow away the digital, and it would be nice to find out whether adapting a vintage lens might help that. I myself also have an X-700 and I have a Fuji X s10 arriving in a couple days....I guess I could try it.
man, I guess you tried the new portra 400 film simulation recipe for xtrans 4. Try the very first one. In my opinion, the first kodak portra 400 recipe from fujixweekly is closer to the actual film look. Btw, great vid. Keep doing vids like this!
Yes, I used the latest iteration as I was using the X-T4. Just wanted to keep true to the creator’s vision. Maybe I’ll do a video comparing the different versions! Thank you!
Trying out the original recipe. Should we just not put any clarity and color chrome effect blue on it since the original doesn’t have any?
@@ramoftherose Are you using one of the latest Fuji cameras? If so, and you're trying out one of the older recipes, yes simply just leave those settings to off or at 0.
@@christiansumalpong correct, I’m using an x100v but wanted to try out a previous version of the simulation (the one he did for the xt30)
@@ramoftherose Yes then in that case, simply just follow the settings listed and whatever isn't, leave at 0 or off. Or you could even experiment and set them to whatever you like!
Very nice bro! I love them both. I’m gonna try it out
Great comparison Christian, keep the videos up!
Thank you so much Jase! More are on the way!
The X-Trans III cameras such as my X-H1 don't have either a grain size or a color chrome setting, but otherwise this recipe does remind me enough of real Portra to keep me from having to develop and scan it.. I mean unless I just really gotta roll out my own Minolta X-700. I even have the motor drive and date back options :-D
While all the Fuji X monkeys are taking about recipes only you have actually gone out and made a professional comparison. amazing work and you are an excellent photographer.
Great comparison, but it also shows that the highlights are much more critical on digital.
Yes for sure, maybe I could try using DR400 to capture as much highlight detail as I can.
Good video dude!
Came from the AnalogCommunity sub!
Thank you so much! Glad to see you made your way here from there 🙌
should use a vitage lens on the fuji
Congrats Christian!
I'm gonna have to try this out
Do it! I should mention that the recipes only apply to JPGs, so you can shoot Raw + JPG to have an unaffected file as well.
film looks better with highlight rolloff and less saturated i think but both are great!
The film shots do have that certain magic to them!
The film sim looks very off compare to the portra or even the video - which seems to be some sony a7.
4:40 the vegetation is more saturated and darker than real film. Also more yellow hue.
4:47 both real film and the sony agree on the color - cyan, where as the film sim is blue.
5:02 film sim has more saturated yellow.
Hi Christian. Thanks for your excellent video. There are 2 versions for Portra 400 in the site and v2 looks better for me as the recipe of Portra 400 analog film... You use v1. What do you think about v2? Thanks.
Thanks Hamza! Yes, when I filmed this video, only v1 had been available. They released v2 with their mobile app in December - I loaded v2 up in my XT4 but have been shooting film more lately. I might make a video trying out v2 sometime soon!
@@christiansumalpong Good luck. Thanks for response.
great video, i hope you make more
Thank you so much! Yes, definitely will be more soon!
Sick video. Keep it going
Thank you so much man! I will, for sure!
Wow the result is really close to real film but it kinda too contrast and and more saturate in fujifilm
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They are indistinguishable for the most...maybe the Fuji is a little more saturated.
It's the recipe for trans III or the New recipe for trans IV?; Thanks!!!; Fantastic photos!!!...
Thank you! I used the Trans-IV v1 recipe. They’ve since made a v2 which I’ll most likely try out soon.
@@christiansumalpong; Thank U so!!!...
add black pro mist filter ;)
I wonder if he used the complete recipe for the xt4 for portra 400. The digital seems a little too warm. Otherwise good job on the video
Yes I did follow the X-Trans IV recipe exactly. But I do agree, it seems a little warmer and more saturated than the recipe for the XT3 and earlier. Thank you!
@@christiansumalpong you are good man. Good job on the video make more your content has been fun to watch
Thanks so much man! More stuff is on the way for sure!
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Thanks brother mane 🙌
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Have you tried using the same lens?
I haven’t! But that seems like a good idea. However, since the Fujifilm is a crop sensor, using the Minolta 50mm 1.7 on it would make it a 75mm. To make up for that I’d have to use the Minolta 35mm which comes in 2.8 and 1.8, then at that point they aren’t the same lens. But it’d be close enough so I might try that out!
@@christiansumalpong great! I was thinking that it might give the fuji's result same as the film
just add fade, some grain and adjust the greens. then it will be close.
Surely! The recipes are more used to get the filmic look straight out of camera, without the need for post-processing. But processing those files would definitely take it even further!
@@christiansumalpong you can add grain in camera. Can you decrease contrast to get that faded look?
@@erikleypoldt8275 Yes grain can be added in camera, and was done so in this video as part of the recipe. You can edit the Highlight and Shadow adjustments in camera to get less contrast, but it is not quite the same as "Fade" like you see in photo editing apps in VSCO and such.
I hate to admit it, but a lot of the time I preferred the XT4 images. There were some I liked the actual Portra better, but for the most part in this particular test I think the XT4 outshined the Portra. Good video Christian.
Yes, some of the XT4 photos definitely popped more! But it’s all personal preference of course. Thank you so much, Rob!
Also good to keep in mind Portra has some leeway built in for increasing contrast and vibrance. A lot of the work it is used for ends up looking more like the Fuji images after post.
@@passive_annihilation For sure! I could get them looking super close if I processed the film scans a bit more
Why the hell is everyone that is shooting film using this shitty music in their videos??
What would you rather hear?
@@christiansumalpong Literally anything else (or no music at all. Don't be a copy paste of every other analog camera video. Using this type of music is such a meme. Be creative
@@annhirro3908 alright! I genuinely like the music and feel it matches the vibe best IMO. Will use early 2010s dubstep for the next one tho!
@@christiansumalpong I'm sorry that I sperged out like that, it's just that this type of videos with this genre of music are so overused that it's pretty laughable. (please don't be another channel thats like that)
@@annhirro3908 no worries at all. I understand that it’s a meme and people are tired of it, but at the same time I understand why people use it. I’ve watched similar photo type videos with different music that just didn’t match what was going on and took me out of the experience. To each their own. Thanks!