The FM Crazy Hours certainly does stand out from the other offerings from the brand. I don’t remember any model numbers or names off the top of my head, but Franck did have some other interesting complications too. None so unique (at the time) as the Crazy Hours, though.
Movement scandal killed this brand for collectors. A true watch artisan listened to the accountsnts and business men instead of being fp journe before fpj. Crazy hours will get some attention but nothing to crazy
I have three FM and I love them: 7000 DF, a double faced chronograph, the back is a stop watch. Master Banker, the only affordable three time zone that you can set each time zone individually. Crazy hour Long Island, fun jump hour mechanism.
I have a FM 7000 ( white gold) ,as you sugest I bought it second hand for what I think less than half the retail price, to be honest I don't mind it is a ETA movement, maybe easier to service. Always great to see your knowledge!!
The most common automatic movement Franck Muller uses are the ETA 2892A2 and Soprod A10. They also use the ETA 7750 and ETA 2000, all with platinum rotors! Due to the controversies their resale value has tanked, so now some of them sell under the scrap gold price.
As long as collectors are willing to put up with a "treasure hunt" (or a snipe hunt) as far as FM movements are concerned, HRM, they can be a great buy. Take care, Bill
Interesting video Bill. I really like the Cintree Curvex Vintage. I found it a few weeks ago after you posted a "mystery movement" on Facebook. Too many watches, so little money! Best regards, Brian
Hi Bill,when I was visiting Melbourne Australia back in the early two thousands I remember seeing some franck muller watches in a shop window and being impressed with the shape and overly busy face ,looked very unique, very expensive though 😊
Thanks for sharing, John. The best part about FM watches is that their prices drop like a rock on the used/secondary market. Good for collectors! Take care, Bill
Their OG duo faced models with the telemeters on the back and rattrapante function is amazing. Would love one of those but not the re-imagined version that was created with Revolution. The new Long Island with the jumping hours AND jumping minutes complication is pretty nice as well. Pity no one covered it at the watch fair. Could be biased or maybe there wasn't a working prototype yet available.
Ha! I had the same thoughts so about a year ago I bought the most basic Casablanca 6850 to "test the waters". It says "Master of complications" on the caseback :) The Caliber is 2800 (ETA 2892-A2), so a bit of a joke. The rotor is supposed to be platinum. Runs very well. The overall finish and quality, strap etc. is very good. The curved glass would probably is a nightmare to repair if chipped. The comfort on the wrist is superb. The overall looks with the case and the crystal shape and the lettering font and hands is very interesting and unusual and I like it. Is it worth 2000 Bucks? I don't know, maybe, maybe not. P.S. I keep on going back to your older videos I didn't appreciate 2 - 3 years ago. I'm starting to understand them now. Thanks for a good job.
I have the FM Crazy Hours color Dreams. It is the only watch in my collection that attracts attention and mre importantly the only one my wife actually likes.
John, I have a good friend who has that watch-and he could (and does) afford watches from the top watchmakers. It is a great deal of fun, and there's nothing wrong with that! Take care, Bill
My first high priced watch is rose gold FM round chronograph with a 7750 movement. I paid full retail at €17,500. Didn’t know much about watches at the time and, although I like the watch I don’t think that I got value for money. Wouldn’t buy it again even at half price but I’m not sure I’m being fair.
Chris, as long as you're being honest, you're being fair. FM is definitely a watch with most of its value on the secondary market, but there is a good deal to like about Franck Muller watches. Take care, Bill
The biggest problem with Franck Muller watches is the quantity of illegal copies, I personally think the copies surpasses the quantity of originals. {Copying is the highest form of flattery } this is brought to a zenith. I just can’t remember but a group such as Citizens or Bulova has a specific line of watches which has the blessing of Franck Muller or Richard Mille. These are pretty much in the same lines (aesthetically) but less expensive (with no rare metal). Let us not forget that F.M. had tried on an agreement with the SWATCH group a number of years ago. If somebody could confirm which outfit is dealing with a Curvex line ( aesthetically ) but not bearing the name, thanks in advance.
I was surprised that there seemed to be so many 'FM illegals'- or quasi-legal FM watches, John. In 2017 they went 'bankrupt' for a week over a small unpaid bill. There's a lot of weirdness in FM. Take care, Bill
Great watches strangely unappreciated by todays watch youtuber video makers. Thanks for the considered and knowledgeable content. A. Fan. Is that an FP Journe you are wearing today?
Good eye Duncan! Yes, that is my FP Journe Chronomètre à Résonance. You're right-we should judge watches on their horology; their popularity. Take care, Bill
Recently saw a review of the Franck Muller manufacturing complex. It looks amazing! Whatever is happening in the Watch world, this company seems to be doing OK.
They do Robert, but they have a way of shooting themselves in the foot-like the 2017 'Bankruptcy' that was all about an unpaid 50 CHF bill ... the 'Bankruptcy' only lasted 8 days, but those kinds of slip-ups can doom a company's reputation. Take care, Bill
I love their crazy hours, i tried even the Crazy Date in a AD before. They were eager to sell with a 30% discount. I would say if one can get more than 50%, that could be a deal.
An über wealthy friend of mine has the colorful Crazy Numbers and loves it, Abdul. A good watch is about more than just the price. Great prices available. Take care, Bill
Notable timepieces from Franck Muller include Revolution 2, and 3, Crazy Hours, and Colour Dreams, Master Banker, the Endurance, which is a simple chronograph, and the Curvex Minute Repeater Tourbillon, whose production is limited to 25 pieces. Encrypto, a watch that also works as crypto wallet
This brand is the precursor to the current Hublot in terms of reputation now. In Japan there are many FM collectors who love the older stuff. Like some viewers I cannot disagree that the Crazy Hpurs is probably their most interesting watch and the Master Banker was the boss in the early 2000s. Who know? 20 years from now the two modes could be regarded as Neo vintage models loved by a new group of younger collectors? Only time will tell.
Bit concerned about their embrace of the middle-east. They are building a clock tower in Dubai. When the backlash at greenwashing/sportwashing slavery in the middle-east, I don't think these companies will be worth much. I decided not to wear my Auschwitz-Birkenau pocket watch, since it is just in bad taste
The only FM that will be collectable will be the “Crazy Hours”
The FM Crazy Hours certainly does stand out from the other offerings from the brand.
I don’t remember any model numbers or names off the top of my head, but Franck did have some other interesting complications too. None so unique (at the time) as the Crazy Hours, though.
Those crazy hours are indeed nuts Osobad! Take care, Bill
Movement scandal killed this brand for collectors. A true watch artisan listened to the accountsnts and business men instead of being fp journe before fpj. Crazy hours will get some attention but nothing to crazy
Crazy Hours and Secret Hours!
I have three FM and I love them: 7000 DF, a double faced chronograph, the back is a stop watch. Master Banker, the only affordable three time zone that you can set each time zone individually. Crazy hour Long Island, fun jump hour mechanism.
Thanks for the experience Aeon! My favorites are the Casablanca and the round Franck Millers. The Master Banker needs another look! Take care, Bill
I have a FM 7000 ( white gold) ,as you sugest I bought it second hand for what I think less than half the retail price, to be honest I don't mind it is a ETA movement, maybe easier to service. Always great to see your knowledge!!
Tomas, a good ETA or ETA base can be as solid as any movement. Take care, Bill
The most common automatic movement Franck Muller uses are the ETA 2892A2 and Soprod A10. They also use the ETA 7750 and ETA 2000, all with platinum rotors! Due to the controversies their resale value has tanked, so now some of them sell under the scrap gold price.
As long as collectors are willing to put up with a "treasure hunt" (or a snipe hunt) as far as FM movements are concerned, HRM, they can be a great buy. Take care, Bill
The Franck Muller Master Banker is also interesting but they hide the movement under solid caseback
I prefer to see what makes may watches tick, Aldo, but I do have a couple of solid back watches I like. Take care, Bill
Interesting video Bill. I really like the Cintree Curvex Vintage. I found it a few weeks ago after you posted a "mystery movement" on Facebook.
Too many watches, so little money!
Best regards, Brian
Brian, that is the refrain of watch collectors! Looking at lubrication oils for my Favré-Leuba. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci I'll be watching closely.
I was looking at Dubey & Schaldenbrand jump hour models lately, fair price for interesting movement/design
Indeed Amir! I too have respect for D&S ... do they do their own movements from scratch or are they based on ETA ébauches? Take care, Bill
This specific reference I was looking at had a A. SCHILD 1726 based caliber, not in house, but neither ETA 😅
Hi Bill,when I was visiting Melbourne Australia back in the early two thousands I remember seeing some franck muller watches in a shop window and being impressed with the shape and overly busy face ,looked very unique, very expensive though 😊
Thanks for sharing, John. The best part about FM watches is that their prices drop like a rock on the used/secondary market. Good for collectors! Take care, Bill
Their OG duo faced models with the telemeters on the back and rattrapante function is amazing. Would love one of those but not the re-imagined version that was created with Revolution.
The new Long Island with the jumping hours AND jumping minutes complication is pretty nice as well. Pity no one covered it at the watch fair. Could be biased or maybe there wasn't a working prototype yet available.
Ong, there are a lot of surprises in Franck Muller watches-you never know what you're going to get-much of it very good! Take care, Bill
Nice content Bill 🥃
Hey Tim, thanks man! Take care, Bill
It's like you read my mind, Bill! I have been browsing FM this last year, and I think I became a low-key fan.
They are a good source of watches whose price drops quickly and deeply after purchase! A boon for collectors, Skwerl! Take care, Bill
Frank Muller Casablanca has the ETA 2892A2 with Platinum rotor
Antonio; now that's an interesting combination! Take care, Bill
Ha! I had the same thoughts so about a year ago I bought the most basic Casablanca 6850 to "test the waters". It says "Master of complications" on the caseback :) The Caliber is 2800 (ETA 2892-A2), so a bit of a joke. The rotor is supposed to be platinum. Runs very well. The overall finish and quality, strap etc. is very good. The curved glass would probably is a nightmare to repair if chipped. The comfort on the wrist is superb. The overall looks with the case and the crystal shape and the lettering font and hands is very interesting and unusual and I like it. Is it worth 2000 Bucks? I don't know, maybe, maybe not.
P.S. I keep on going back to your older videos I didn't appreciate 2 - 3 years ago. I'm starting to understand them now. Thanks for a good job.
Hey BB Clock, thanks man! Also, thanks for that FM analysis. Take care, Bill
I have the FM Crazy Hours color Dreams. It is the only watch in my collection that attracts attention and mre importantly the only one my wife actually likes.
John, I have a good friend who has that watch-and he could (and does) afford watches from the top watchmakers. It is a great deal of fun, and there's nothing wrong with that! Take care, Bill
My first high priced watch is rose gold FM round chronograph with a 7750 movement. I paid full retail at €17,500.
Didn’t know much about watches at the time and, although I like the watch I don’t think that I got value for money. Wouldn’t buy it again even at half price but I’m not sure I’m being fair.
Yikes! Way to stick with the old dog fm!
Chris, as long as you're being honest, you're being fair. FM is definitely a watch with most of its value on the secondary market, but there is a good deal to like about Franck Muller watches. Take care, Bill
The biggest problem with Franck Muller watches is the quantity of illegal copies, I personally think the copies surpasses the quantity of originals. {Copying is the highest form of flattery } this is brought to a zenith.
I just can’t remember but a group such as Citizens or Bulova has a specific line of watches which has the blessing of Franck Muller or Richard Mille. These are pretty much in the same lines (aesthetically) but less expensive (with no rare metal). Let us not forget that F.M. had tried on an agreement with the SWATCH group a number of years ago.
If somebody could confirm which outfit is dealing with a Curvex line ( aesthetically ) but not bearing the name, thanks in advance.
I was surprised that there seemed to be so many 'FM illegals'- or quasi-legal FM watches, John. In 2017 they went 'bankrupt' for a week over a small unpaid bill. There's a lot of weirdness in FM. Take care, Bill
Great watches strangely unappreciated by todays watch youtuber video makers. Thanks for the considered and knowledgeable content. A. Fan. Is that an FP Journe you are wearing today?
Good eye Duncan! Yes, that is my FP Journe Chronomètre à Résonance. You're right-we should judge watches on their horology; their popularity. Take care, Bill
Recently saw a review of the Franck Muller manufacturing complex. It looks amazing! Whatever is happening in the Watch world, this company seems to be doing OK.
They do Robert, but they have a way of shooting themselves in the foot-like the 2017 'Bankruptcy' that was all about an unpaid 50 CHF bill ... the 'Bankruptcy' only lasted 8 days, but those kinds of slip-ups can doom a company's reputation. Take care, Bill
Did not know that! This is why you are the one producing the videos, and I am the one watching them!🤣
@@robertmueller3267 😅
Greta video, Bill. Very interesting topic and brand. Some beautiful watches.
Hey WatchPup! Glad you liked it. Take care, Bill
I love their crazy hours, i tried even the Crazy Date in a AD before. They were eager to sell with a 30% discount. I would say if one can get more than 50%, that could be a deal.
An über wealthy friend of mine has the colorful Crazy Numbers and loves it, Abdul. A good watch is about more than just the price. Great prices available. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci Totally true Bill.
Notable timepieces from Franck Muller include Revolution 2, and 3, Crazy Hours, and Colour Dreams, Master Banker, the Endurance, which is a simple chronograph, and the Curvex Minute Repeater Tourbillon, whose production is limited to 25 pieces. Encrypto, a watch that also works as crypto wallet
Wow Obud! Sounds like you're a guy who knows FM! Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci I’ve owned a few FM’s. Crazy Hours was my favorite, still regret selling it! 🤯
This brand is the precursor to the current Hublot in terms of reputation now.
In Japan there are many FM collectors who love the older stuff.
Like some viewers I cannot disagree that the Crazy Hpurs is probably their most interesting watch and the Master Banker was the boss in the early 2000s.
Who know? 20 years from now the two modes could be regarded as Neo vintage models loved by a new group of younger collectors? Only time will tell.
They seem to be a good buy if you're not concerned with flipping prices. Buy at deep discount and keep. Take care, Bill
thank you
You're welcome, Erwin Take care, Bill
Bit concerned about their embrace of the middle-east. They are building a clock tower in Dubai. When the backlash at greenwashing/sportwashing slavery in the middle-east, I don't think these companies will be worth much. I decided not to wear my Auschwitz-Birkenau pocket watch, since it is just in bad taste
Rasmus, so many fallacies right now. I do understand. Take care, Bill