Sailboat Capsize?? IOR - Sparkman and Stephens - Episode 126 - Lady K Sailing
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We owned Windrose, a 48' S&S for 35 years. She won the 1960 Admirals cup along with the US team and brought the cup back to the US for the first time. After an illustrious racing career, we bought her in 1980, cruised her for 20 years and eventually sold her after owning and treasuring her for 35 years. She now lives in Tasmania, Australia. Her new owner has refitted her for racing and she will be taking part in worldwide classic boat races. Most amazing boat ever built in my unbiased opinion ☺️
Really interesting to hear about your boat. I currently crew on a 41’ S&S (Golden Fleece) that was built for the South African Admirals cup campaign in the 70’s. She was built to the same plans as Morning Glory (the UK’s then prime ministers yacht) now named Opposition. We race her on the East Coast in the UK in offshore and classic yacht regattas. She looked after us well in 2019 when we had over 50kts of wind and massive seas in the Fastnet race. S&S boats are incredibly beautiful, fast and seaworthy. Thanks for sharing your story.
I don't know how the RUclips 'echo chamber' presented me with this one - I feel I must comment. I started ocean racing in 1965 in Australia under the RORC Rule. This started a career in sail boats which is still going at 80 having raced and cruised worldwide in between. I ended up in UK after sailing Americas Cup in Gretel 2 in 1970. This meant building and doing all the new IOR rating work for Camper & Nicholsons - I went on to build (mainly IOR) and race for Dick Carter and Michel Dufour before starting my own design office. I sailed the '73, 75 and 77 Fastnets in S&S custom 48 footers and the 79 in a Frers 50 which was part of the Britiish Team. I worked with both Rod and Olin on various occasions - Rod helped when I was working on the re build of Velsheda - the first J boat rebuild and Olin, who I met 12 metering, helped with my book 'The Twelve Metre Yacht'. My most recent book "I picked up the phone and said yes' is 50 years of personal yachting history including a Whitbread. You are obviously enthusiastic but like many sailors your comments come from the amateur viewpoint, second hand and are many times in error. This is dangerous from the point of view of historical truth and technical validity. Please do more research or stick to subjects you know. And buy my book - the IOR and Fastnet 79 are covered in detail from the professional point of view.
I am currently looking for a copy of your book to have a read...
G2 these days lives in Hobart and is kept in superb condition, such a classic yacht and so impressive when you get to see her under sail. I would love to have a sail on her one day.
In the meantime i sail regularly on a little 30 ft Swanson (Mulberry), a IOR half tonner, with a long ocean and racing and cruising history, and have a lot of fun racing on the Derwent. With 10-20kts she really performs, not bad for a 48 yr old boat.
That was a good IOR explanation in basic terms. He hasn't got 2 days to go through the hornets best of IOR.
I read through this comment twice to make sure I didn't miss anything, but it appears you didn't even offer any kind of rebuttal to any point made.
It's pretty inarguable that the IOR waterline rule compromised the designs of the boats for any other purposes. You can guffaw, pull rank, and plug your book all you like, the fact remains that they're highly-specialized race rules hulls, and the criticisms of them are valid.
@@1240enzo One of my first ocean races was on Cadence a little 30 foot raised deck Swanson. A really nice boat. The rasied deck gave her so much space and - dare I say it - comfort. Great days.
Great boat, but the legend of that race was a 32' ⛵ Contessa called Assent.
It's not only that Sparkman & Stephens designed the winner of the Fastnet 1979 race (Tenacious), it also designed the sailboat that, during that same race, could assist and rescue another sailboat in the peak of the storm, a She 36 named "Lorelei".
That says something as it means it could actually perform some manoeuvring in a force 10 storm with crossing seas while most other boats of that size (11m) were in survival mode and certainly not even considering being able to achieve such a feat.
It was of course an IOR boat but S&S did not design unsafe IOR boats, the reason why those stopped to be competitive for sailboats under 38 feet as from 1973, they still make very seaworthy and fast cruising boats.
My family owned a Yankee 38 for 8 years winning a fair number of races and doing a lot of cruising. Parents decided to do a cruise of the pacific and bought a Hans Christian 38. After 3 years, she was sold and replaced with a Swan 41 by S&S for their cruise.
The tumble home you mentioned in the video is an artifact of the IOR Mk 3 rule that gave you credit if BMax is larger than Beam on deck and Beam Waterline. But the big thing that makes the Pre IOR 3a squirrely downwind is the extreme narrow ends, especially the narrow stern, and the high aspect rig. RORC in the mid 60s tended to narrow sterns and similar problems.
I currently own a 1974 S&S yankee 38. We live aboard it and cruise. A little bit of weather helm and yes she is very hippy. Up right slow and sturdy, put a big drifter up in slow winds... she takes off and leans. You can literally feel it. Can't wait to have her in the ocean. Put some good distances in. I have upgraded to electronics garmin 740s with radar. Need to hook up the old the old signet instruments need a wireing diagram from mast step to cluster. Gonna put backing plates in get it coast certified again.
I really love how my hughes 40 ketch looks. I was comparing her to the neighbours 2012 jenneau..even though his boat was new, pretty and looked like a futuristic apartment on the water, I'd rather be on mine in a storm. I have a thicker hull, weigh 12 thousand more pounds, "full" keel, lower freeboard, 3,000 lbs more ballast, more sail options.
Besides my boat looked like it could beat up his boat lol.
Thumbs up Tim! You managed a great unbiased review of Lady K! Cheers
Very instructive thank you. Also refreshing to see a boat owner acknowledging the shortcomings of his unit. No boat is perfect of course but knowing what is safe or not in terms of architecture is a must.
Great info! My humble Catalina 42 Mk2 has 37’ of LWL and north of 6000 lbs. of lead in the keel~ likely a direct result of the terrible tragedy of the 1979 Fastnet race. I’ll take safe & stable any day!
I appreciate all.your efforts in producing these videos. I give you a thumbs up every episode and comment now and then. You have inspired me to take on the cruising life I started refitting my Columbia 10.7 last fall and hope to be sailing south this fall.
Thank you.
great video, I have a sparkman and stephens design #2047 Northern 29 Sloop its an IOR rated boat and its thrilling to sail in 30 knots of wind... it only leaves the dock when the wind blows... too many fair weather sailers out there... the fun begins when your boat begins to heel...
Just started watching your vids over the last month. Great variety of topics. Very interesting and informative. Just purchased a neglected 1968 Cutter rigged Hughes 38 in North Van last week. Excited to begin the spit and polish work
Loving your boat and stating her drawbacks and disadvantages flat out gives you great credibility. That's how true love is. It's not blind at all. You know it all and you live with it because love her. That's it.
When 16 year old Jessica Watson sailed solo around the World non-stop she/they chose a S&S34...Couldn't have made a better choice !
Ditto also before Jessica, Jon Sanders and Jessie Martin. Jon Sanders later has done multiple solo circumnavigations on his S&S 39.
We’ve been restoring our S+S 1975 hughes north star 35/1500 for a few years now, appreciate your video and channel and the info! i’ve been noticing the mainsail impact on motoring and getting some vid on our channel on the topic. keep up the great work!
Had a S&S She 32. Loved it. Weekend pocket rocket.
I seriously learn so very much from you.Thanks so very much!! ✌🏻💗😊❣️
Awesome video man. I’m a 21yo Nacra l20 sailor out of Lake Huron. Just discovered ior boats when I stumbled upon the 79 fastnet article. You earned a new sub. Thanks for the vid
My husband enjoys your informational videos. Love to see one on the Endeavor and Irwin. Thank you
another great video, thanks. I kept waiting for you to mention the rolly pollies. Here on the west coast I have raced many IOR boats and when you are going DDW with a big kite and fresh breeze you need to be concerned about the IOR starting to heel to one side then back to the other side. Each time it gets worse and worse and can result in a broach - around here we call that the rolly pollies (I am not sure how common that term is)
I remember getting the rolly pollies on a laser as a kid. I used to call the death roll because once it started it just got worse until you tipped over
Great video! Thanks for highlighting S&S!
My S&S design, a Fuji 40 (hull #1), is the opposite of an IOR design. I've sailed her solo multiple times in 40+ knots in the PNW over the past 5 years. She's kept me safe in conditions that are probably far above my skill level. She's definitely not the fastest, nor does she climb particularly high, but she sails in anything from 3 knots of wind to 53. And I've never even rigged her with the storm sails yet!
Interesting episode. As someone who sailed IOR from the early 80’s to the end of IOR I still miss it. It was always interesting to see the new designs coming out each year and to see what designers prevailed in the Admirals Cup and Cowes Week. Then there were all the other regattas, SORC, Onion Patch series and many more. The IOR rule is much maligned but there is still much discussion on certain forums about how it developed. It was a development rule so I don’t see certain designers bending the rules but they exploited them and in the early days there were extreme designs and boats with bumps at certain measurement points but year by year the rule was refined and certainly in the 80’s it produced some beautiful and fast boats with really close racing. I was on a 3/4 Tonner in the RORC Cowes St Malo in 1987 which was an AC year. We won the race on handicap by 9 seconds over a 300 mile race. The racing was intense and I always found it far more interesting than one design racing. The IOR 50’ fleet was superb racing but that was the end really. Also the Whitbread as it was then produced some amazing boats designed to the IOR rule but they were ocean racers like Flyer and many are still sailing today. Anyway, enough waffle, enjoyed your video. Andy UK
Like your videos.
Sparkman & Stephen’s were not designers per se but an architecture and brokerage firm they had designers and draftsmen which drew the lines and they marketed them.. Gary Mull and his generation brought in the American IOR decades. Mull design a few Sparkman boats which ushered in the era in early 1960s during the golden age of recreational sailing and racing.. His designed starting in 1967 shaped boat design influencing S&S directions. Coming out of the CCA. The IOR boats from 1967 to 1976 are exceptional racer cruisers. I would advise you to take a look at boat designs of the SORC - the boat designs that came from those boats shaped IOR. The ridiculousness and dangerous boats came later from those seeking to take advantage of those changing rules.
For the record my Mull 1/2 tonner from 72 is nearly a perfect well balanced vessel from the era. Custom winning boats from that era often are.
Love the IOR look and tiny transoms and tumble home, but now days I want a flat run to a wide, open transom and swim/dingy deck. One advantage of the wide beam in the interior of an IOR design was there was often room for Sea Berths.
I have never owned an IOR boat, but have sailed and raced on many. Lay one over and get the spinnaker tugging mightily in the lifts and you have pure sailing nirvana, and exciting time. I still remember a full moon spinnaker run in the Straights of Juan de Fuca to Victoria. We made T-shirts after with the Full moon and spinnaker image to commemorate that race some 30-years ago.
To make the boat, you have to think like the boat. This is Fantastic theory and analysis!!
Very informative. Thank you.
Our Hughes 40 is a S&S, and we love her.
Thanks for the very instructive video Tim. I'm looking around for a classic blue water cruiser and I wasn't aware that IOR boats might need careful consideration, bearing in mind what you mentioned. For me at least, your timing is impeccable ;)
Just bought my first ever sail boat a UFO 34, didnt know anything about IOR before i did. it was nice to know that the only thing limiting its performance is my skills as a sailer, i dont ever plan to push hers
I crewed on an old admirals cup SS47 that won the Makanac race back in 95. Was a flush deck aluminum bolt. I loved the boat. I had dreams of buying it and refitting and redesigning for a round the world race. Was a fast and sexy boat. Can’t remember the year. Early 70s I think
One area that seemed to be skimped on a lot was rudder size. Maybe that was to save on whetted area, which really slows you down in light winds. The idea was to get just a tiny advantage, and a little less whetted area was one way to do that.
Safe to say, the earlier the IOR design, the safer they are. We have a 1972 Carter Admirals Cup 43ftr. She’s powerful, looks after the crew, and fast. The spirit of the IOR was to build SAFE ocean racing boats. I’d highly recommend early ones to anyone, but never the later designs.
I have a 1973 IOR Admirals cup boat - Quciksilver. She’s a 40 foot S&S. A great yacht, beautifully built and predictable to sail. A piece of New Zealand boat building history, albeit designed in the US.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. The gentleman also fails to point out that Olin Stevens was one of the creators of the rule. My IOR boat ( from S&S but not designed by Olin Stevens) was a wonderful, fast, powerful cruising boat that was built solely to race under IOR. Built to break ice but to be fair, a bit squirrely going downwind in a seaway with the narrow stern.
@@peterheiberg566 ours is fairly stable downwind, bit of a handful flying a masthead kite when shorthanded, but to be honest she doesn’t get thrown around in the heavy weather anywhere near as much as modern wide stern yachts tend to do, she leans over and accelerates as opposed to rounding up in heavy weather during the gust/seastate (on all points of sail). My bias view is early IORs are all weather yachts, modern boats are bliss in Champaign conditions and full keel cruisers can take a grounding better.
@@ross82 well mine was called Scaramouche and was 50’ loa. I’m not much of a racer but managed 2 single handed transpacs with her so I suppose that says something about the ease of sailing her. Fully crewed under the previous owner she won her class in the Transpac and under subsequent ownership and a different name she won her class in the Race across the Atlantic west to east.
My 76 Columbia 9.6 is a safe one, not as fast as she could have been, but guaranteed to self right.
I have a yankee 38 S&S design, (same mold as Catalina & Swan 38s) made a list by Pardeys as good candidate for cruising boat.
Hi, which list are you referring to Sir?
It's just what I heard, don't think there is a database of official Pardey lists.@@djidj8148
@@djidj8148 In searching through scant info on this boat, only 30 built. Someone referred to this list. If it was published or even written somewhere I don't know. Can find no documentation, on anybody sailing or refitting a Yankee 38. But ran across the same comment about the list today Googling this model boat
Sailed swan 47, 2 tonner Destination, War Baby SS 61, Swan 57 Fandango,Stormy Weather and on. All phenomenal boats
Great videos.
Hi. I really enjoy your boat history lessons.👍
If you were shopping for a cruising boat now for the cruising that you have done, what type of boat would you be looking at? A Beneteau/ Catalina type or heavy full keel type or ???
I would love to see a review of the Pocketship from CLC Boats. I'm considering this as a teeny first step for myself before graduating into a larger coastal cruiser.
Love your video and appreciate your dedication and reaped for S&S design. I owned a Tartan 30 for 9 years. I crossed the Atlantic 3 times on Traite de Rome an admirals cup design 52 foot designed by S&S. My dad owned a 50 foot center board S&S boat and I crossed the Atlantic on it at well. I loved all of them and always felt safe and fast sailing them. I even had the chance of meeting Olin and Rod Stephens for days at a time and spent quality time with them both as they inspected the boat yard where my dad’s boat was being built in France. Lucky I spoke English and served as translator. 😃
Kind of like my Bristol 32, it's a 32' boat with only a 22' waterline. But around 15° heal and the boats gets fast !!
IOR was something else. I raced in Seattle thru the 1970's. Fun if you liked sitting on the rail all day! Mostly on a Ranger 37. According to my skipper everybody cheated but him. Not quite sure about that, but it was fun. I've sailed around the world on my Hylas 42. I could never see the Ranger 37 being cruising worthy.
Apache...my neighbor did a ton of work to that boat, beautiful boat!
Great video explaning IOR and boat desgin. Have you thought about doing an episode on CS's and good Canadian boat builder back in the day. I'm thinking of going offshore solo with my CS 36T.
Lots of very big headsail changes, I was a bowman , remember 14 changes one night. Now self tacking headsails and larger mains are the go. Big handful in a blow downwind without blooper???!!, strange boats.
Great content!
FYI,
In the process of refitting the sister ship to INCA, which you feature in your video...
Vessel name : VAGO, (1975 45' Sparkman & Stephens, IOR , Aluminum hull)
Builder: McMullen and wing . New Zealand
Location: Boulder County, Co
Its been on the hard for 35 years + .
Hoping to launch in 2024...
Thanks
You could continue this episode by explaining more about IOR's starting from minitonners and 1/4 tonners, then 3/4 tonners, 1/2 tonners, one tonners, and ending up to 2 tonners and Maxi 81 Whitbread round the globe IOR race yachts. That would be interesting.
Olin Stephen’s designs are on the Herrshoff level.
Did you know, you are a bit quirk? I love it! Cant wait for you to get back in the cockpit.
Love your show 👍👍👍😁
I'm looking at a tanzer 29 right now and there doesn't seem to be much information on them out side that it was built in Canada and they made tons of smaller boats
You always tell us one megillah of a backstory. I want a Duck Boat though I am cognoscente of its shortcomings. I won't sail or drive it on water in foul weather though...
VERY INFORNATIVE..
Pearson Yachts Bill Shaw started his design career at Sparkman and Stephens and was the chief designer of the America’s Cup defender Columbia. I've been sailing one of Bill Shaw's Pearson 323s 25 years now. The best thing about the Pearsons built under Bill Shaw was he was the designer and also the production manager so there was no confusion about the design and its implementation.
Brilliant analysis of the IOR scene. S&S were awesome. I used to have some deck layout drawings by Rod Stephens. They were an education. These days, open class design rules breed much better boats, in my view.
Very interesting video. Just one question: Does your boat have internal ballast and do you think that is a good idea ?
Almost bought a old 65 Chris craft capri 30 was s+s design cool old boat
Always enjoy your videos. It would be interesting to hear your comments if Smokey Unick was in to yacht racing. Cheers
Nice video
⚓️ Thanks Tim 😎 IOR boats are mostly around 45 years old, too old to be safe for most sailors. The integrity of rig & hull/keel of a 45 yo boat is really suspect. Old keel bolts… old spreader roots & mast partners on boats designed & built of relatively new technology should be very well inspected. Aluminum spars of the nature in 1978 were of relatively new technology, not expected to live 50 years. These boats were not expected to make 50 years. BEWARE. 😎
I just bought a 1979 Ranger 26-2, which is generally pretty rare (
Could you tell us all about contessa yachts a fantastic company from England
Perhaps sadler would make a better video ?
OK silly question why isn't the bottom of the sail on the boom ? longer in lady K looks like there is lots of room for a bigger sail ! + faster boat ! do you ever fly spinakers bigger other sails etc ?
How would compare you boat to a S&S Catalina 38.
I've crewed on Catalina 38 sailing and racing. I remember it as a fast boat but a wet boat. Lots of water over the bow
So long as you are aware of the short comings of your boat I see no problem with fast unstable boats being produced. Like car and motorcycle racing you need to know what the limits are.
Awesome video!! Does anybody know s&s condor 37? Any opinions ??
Did you do one on the Cal 2-29 and Cal 40? (Same boat, different size).
Dude! I have totally watched your entire journey binge style and only just realized I hadn’t subscribed!! Sorry, man! Keep it up! Great videos and I love your takes on the production boats. They are what they are. All sailboats are compromises. They are a sight to behold and roomy till the cows come home. I, for one, am unsure if I want to trust my life to a keel that is bolted on. Especially after watching Expedition Evans and their issues with the rather shoddy manufacturing when it came to the cross sections bonds to the hull! But even they didn’t lose their keel! And the boat was totally compromised.
However, i was wondering what your take would be on the Trailer sailers? I would love to hear your reviews on them. I personally own a Rhodes 22 and I hat your thoughts on General Boats or any other trailer sailer manufacturer of the “pocket” cruisers.
I owned a Chris Craft Apache 37 a S and S design
S&S Rules !!!
I need a video on antifoul paint
A good book with an extensive discussion of this is "Surviving the Storm" by the Dashews, it is a few years old now, but well worth the read.
I didn't know about the Catalina 38! I came ->this
I think you were a bit unfair to Olin. You could have mentioned his America cup victories. Alternatively talking about IOR mention other IOR that “only “ could be raced by professional sailors. Show some pictures of them etc.
Maybe you could do a series discussing the different racing rules with pros and cons.
Suggest you read about ESTER in the latest Wooden boat magazine and compare her to our modern design.
What goes around comes around.
Like your channel!
Ken Hartman
I own a SS Catalina 38 1982 . I just had to abandon my hopes to put a Raymarine auto pilot below with a hydraulic system . Not enough room aft. I still love my boat . I bought it for 24k in mint condition 4 years ago. My boat is in Oriental N.C., a great place to sail. After 4 years of sailing this boat in all kinds of conditions I am still trying to understand its way of handeling wind conditions . It is a love affaire I cannot explaine . The IOR debate still seems odd to me .
More later can help . You are right in bringing this stuff up for debate. Come down any time and we will sail it 20 knots plus. They say here if things go wrong just sail it onto the shoal and walk home and have a beer or two.
It is possible. Have pics of some hydraulic rams installed on C38s. As a fact I’m almost ready to install a Raymarine linear drive on mine ..
I have a Hughes 38 down in Oriental. We should meet up.
It's not cheating; we like the term highly optimized for their environment. Have you found McCurty's Fastnet report?
Northern 29. S&S. Timeless.
I have a H 29.9 And its i feel its vary safe
Be interesting to do a spot on Farr , I believe the most prolific designer of boats today . I once herd him say when questioned about the number sailing under his name some thing like 1900 'this' year in the early 2000s , I believe the fastnet race & Deaths changed his whole philosophy on design at the time .
Great idea! Thank you
Love ya boat,, don't be jealous 😜
I'm looking at getting a MacGregor 26 for Oklahoma. Is this a Swiss Army knife of weekend boats?
Tim did a good video on the Mac 26; it was very fair in his review. They are not for everyone but they certainly fill a niche and many owners love them. We have a lot of them on the west coast but it is very rare to see one sailing. I always find that unfortunate.
Yeah. Its a power boat with sails. cool boat if you like too buy gas but get out of town. Not a crusing boat. Heavy seas? Better have the s.a.r. team on speed dial. A guy on my dock has one shoot up to the san juan islands. Take the sweet time under sail getting back
@@scott.wallace8625 I see people using them in the Gulf Islands, you will often see a family of four vacationing on one, which is impressive for a 26 foot boat that you can trailer. i certainly would not want to cross an ocean in one, but they have their place. And if you own one and like it and use it then it works.
@@robertsutherland1097 i agree the straits of juan de fuca can get very rough. Its a tool. If i want to win a sailboat race i buy a j24. If i want to cross an ocean i dont buy a j24. If i just want to get out of town yep it is a well built boat and a good choice.
@@scott.wallace8625 / thanks
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The 1973 Admirals Cup was dominated by S&S designs however by 1977 boats were almost all Holland & Peterson designs. These young designers were better at exploiting the IOR.
I also have a S&S design (One tonner Contessa 38 year 1973, the one designed by S&S, very few were made (6)). I understand that the tumblehome gives it added form stability when heeled but I do not see how hull water length could be increased just by heeling. Certainly not at the bow, maybe a few inches at the stern but nothing significant for the IOR design of the early to mid seventies, much more for the extreem IOR designs of the 1980's.
The increased speed when heeling is just the direct effect of added wind force, I wouldn't read in it more than that unless a naval architect steps in and comes with hard facts explaining this.
Hmmm, not sure I'd pair up S & S with the '79 Fastnet disaster, but- OK. I almost lost (2) of my sisters in that race, and, my father lost about $40k in irreplaceable Leica A body cameras & telephoto lenses. Thankfully, they both survived (thrived?) and 1 is still well known in the sailing world, as she made a life time of her love of the sea & sailing. Not sure why you equate S & S with the IOR design disaster- they were one design/building house of many- no almost all, noted design/builders or the era? Why do they get specific mention? Because they were prolific in their IOR designs (some one off's for wealthy fast folk) and several prior year designs of the ill fated IOR measurement metrics. This was a terrible disaster for many well known designers, and even a few 'seaworthy' yet slower designs were multiple turtle swingers due to NOT watching what was happening around them. Good bookmark for the ill-fated race and an unnecessarily tight connection to S & S? I'm done beating a dead horse now- thank you for outstanding content. Mostly. (I said I'm done!)
IOR means International Offshore Rule, correct?
What about MORC for coastal cruising
I grew up racing MORC, and it wasn't as type-forming as IOR was. A "MORC Maxi" 30 footer like the S2 9.1 would make a very nice Great Lakes racer-cruiser still today. And a lot of the boats are trailerable; I'd much rather have a S2 7.9 as my trailerable weekender than a Macgregor.
S2 vs MacGregor? Totally different boats for totally different peoples needs. Lmao
Tim hang on to that Hughes 35 improve it by putting engine amidships where it should be cut that skeg out or keep the best part put whale tail rudder on the 1/5 Skeg feathering prop this yacht will be the most balanced yacht you will sail Own one SS34 western Australia came from long keel no going back rope cutters on prop you will have aft cabin without that shoe horned engine lots room for fridge extra water hanging locker
Dorade
I was thinking the same thing!
When are you getting back in the water again?
Beamy with narrow stern ,
Modern boats have fat stern , excellent stability
Molto bravo complimenti. Noi stiamo finendo un refitting totale di un D. Peterson 43 (2ton)cantiere SAI Ambrosini,materiale di costruzione in alluminio, la barca é stupenda,il nome originale Doktor Faust, reting orc gph 638/660. Se vuoi ti posso mandare delle foto.
If it moves it will be raced :)
Very informative episode Tim.
IOR does get a bad rap but the rule was the impetus of some of the most iconic boats ever. Evergreen for example.
Also, no IOR conversation would be complete without the mention of the 79 Fastnet. If anyone has interest in reading about this fateful event, you should pick up a copy of John Rousmaniere's book Fastnet, Force 10. An incredible read.
Rule bending or creative thinking. Same as Smokey Yunick and NASCAR!
Yeah like "creative accounting" :) :) :)
Lol did you say stevens 24 weekender I had the plans to build one but broke my back before I could.
Trawlers
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Racing is the sport of rascals. Doesn't NASCAR have some sort of museum with cheater parts they've caught teams with? On the other hand, there's a difference between cheating and designing to the rules. "Stretching" the rules isn't cheating, it's innovating.
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Jane Fonda
Lesser and lesser and lesser?
IOR yachts designed by S&S and their like were uncontrollable downwind. Bruce Farr yachts with their wide sterns flew downwind without the shenanigans of the S&S yachts. That is all that needs to be said.
This statement is wildly inaccurate.
@@LadyKSailing It certainly is not. IOR S&S boats with their narrow pinched sterns broached and rock n rolled down wind and were uncontrollable. Farr IOR yachts with wide sterns and fractional rigs would plane downwind completely under control. The modern yachts of today with wide sterns and narrow bows owe their inspiration to Farr not S&S.
IOR designs aren't uncontrollable. Their narrow sterns mean they are better off not going dead downwind (DDW), change the angle by a few degrees and they are easily contained. Very few boats enjoy DDW conditions. I don't agree with your premise that S&S IOR boats sent good cruising boats. They cleverly fused speed and function in a safe package. Think how Swan dominated that performance cruising market and how the S&S ones still hold incredible value and respect. I don't think any S&S designed boats were lost in the Fastnet of '79. Some may have been knocked down but that was more as a result of extreme waves and weather. Testament to their design and strength is that they righted themselves and bounced back. Most people lost committed themselves to poorly designed liferaft, with the boat surviving and being found later.
IOR had 3 iterations, the last of which was responsible for the unsightly lumps and bumps to try to exploit the measurement system. S&S stayed away from much of that. As such their boats have stood the test of time incredibly well and are still. In demand, and competitive on handicap (even IRC) now.
I raced on an S&S 34 which has a very narrow transom. We never had control isdues even in the friskiest conditions with spinnaker and blooper set.
@@gillduncan499 I agee.. In heavy weather it is rare that i cut dead in to a wave unless i feel the need.. Wave cap or swell.. Running or beating.. From power boat, tin boat to fishing vessle... Same as my H29..
Just watch the Ep. when on the Erie and towed buddy boat due to not staying on the left of the red maker.. This is a perfect reason why you need to know the river rules & markers.. We boat on the ICW here in Myrtle Beach and they have so many markers signs and no wake areas. If you don't know ,Don't go .Tow boat cost time & $$ learn the rules just like driving the roads or your day will be wasted nobody likes a dumb Capt.