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Fifth Gear- BMW 1series Coupe VS.Porsche Cayman DOG FIGHT!!!
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- Опубликовано: 18 фев 2008
- A Cool video in witch the beemer dog fights the porsche, do you know who's gona win? think again...
Tiff VS Jason Plato
How did the 1 series win the handling test and the cayman won the drift test? It should be the exact other way around?
Exactly what I was tbinking
i mean... for me 1 series won everything, cuz if he would know to drift it... there s no way he would lose =]] i have a 118D 2.0D 2011, i love it, you can be confortable while drfiting at almost 45 degree angle XD but it s about skills, he does better a racing line then sliding ,witch is normal XD still, i m so impressed , ofc my 2.0D 215Hp wouldn't be able to beat that porche but we re talking about a 1 series beating a porsche XD it s nuts
I had an E30 M3. It made me a lifelong BMW maniac.
@Synicade I'm italian. We always had italian cars and lots of problems. Now we have almost only Toyota. The last summer I had the chance to drive a mighty Chevy Suburban for two weeks around California, Arizona, Iowa and Nevada......what a blast! I'm sure I could go to Mars and back with that beauty! Reliable, comfy and absolutely top notch!
So true.
@papachels the 135i has no limited slip differential lol
I'm getting my 2009 128i convertible tomorrow. I'm excited! I've also put on some 18" Chrome wheels.
Fact is, no one will drive their fine German cars like these two maniacs do.
I own a Boxster S and I cruise with the top down and enjoy life 90% of time and push it to red line only 10% of the time.
It is such a joy to own a fine German car. We live only once and we all should own and drive one, at least once in our life time.
Bottoms up(Salute, y fuerze al canute), from Iran
The 135 just looks like a better setup for spirited driving I might be looking into one here in the future
N54 forever :D
Bloody good fun to watch. And two great cars which I wouldn't mind owning.
@St3nic3 I'm prty sure he's aware of it... He's suggesting an m1 vs cayman race
The 135i doesn't have an LSD
+DirtDude117 It has an electronic one
pilotagepassion It has an electronically controlled open differential. Nothing controlling slip at all just basic ABS.
+DirtDude117 +pilotagepassion I think you're both saying the same thing. I might be wrong but I think he's talking about the electronics faking a "mechanical" LSD.
Electronics are not LSD. Electronic slip intervention is reactive and a fucking travesty. If you had ever driven a car at the limit EVER in your life you would know this.
"Electronic LSD" is just marketing talk to fool people who don't know much about cars.
It has no LSD, the ESP just breaks the inside wheel when it detects spin.
Wished this was back on TV. Prefer track tests to the endless jokes in Top Gear
agreed top gear is now utter shit. old cars are all now branded as crap and bits happen to "fall" off. You note how there's always a camera sat at the side of the road to capture an "accident" on a trip.
They have a "race" where you have to obey the speed limits-so the car may as well be a cheap family saloon. Again-to film at the side of the road the crew has to go ahead of the car in the "race" to set the camera down to film the car in said "race" speeding past, the crew then put the camera away and catch up again (in their van ! ) to do the same again.
@@adm924s Right. Because old cars are mostly crap compared to new ones. A lot of people just still like them.
@@knifedance2402 It's nothing to do with them being worse, their doors don't just fall off, accidents don't just happen where a camera is positioned, races where the car that's "racing" against a train etc KEEPS getting overtaken by the film crew to film a driveby shot....
It turned into a shit obviously staged unfunny sitcom, great if you like Allo Allo or you're not really interested in cars.
@@adm924s Oh, that’s completely true. The failures you see sometimes aren’t necessarily due to age, but it is true that older cars are buy-and-large inferior to newer ones.
i can assure everyone that there is always at least one comment with the words 'top gear' in every fifth gear video
i love both shows, theres nothing wrong with either of them
the Cayman is costing twice as much as the 1 Series Coupe here in Germany.. That is absurd
Finalmente una persona che capisce questa BMW oltre a non avere tenuta di strada ma non ha ne la lancetta della temperatura acqua e ne la ruota di scorta ha plastica che fa schifo e noi Italiani la compriamo e disprezziamo le nostre auto...
I'm pretty sure if Tiff was powersliding the BMW, he probably would have got a much higher score than 20. I mean he is a legend behind the wheel of any car.
No he isnt they're both good, but Plato just won the British Touring Car Championship so i would def say he has some skill.
oh,sorry accidentaly clicked this while watching top gear,,,
This is the most awesome car show ive ever seen
I don't know why a drift challenge is important in a road test like this, no one who buys either of these cars will be drifting.
This video single handedly made me pick up a 135.
that and used soo much cheaper than a Cayman.
How're you finding the 135i's reliability? I'm looking at picking one up soon.
RKE Photography been pretty solid, here in the US they extended the warranty on the turbo rattle & fuel issues (haven't had either). It's mostly been minor trim stuff which is easy enough to fix (visor mirror plastic, had to caulk the convertible window).
Thanks for the reply! I'm looking for one with 50k miles or less if my budget can stretch. Turbos are the main worry, but taking the buying price into consideration 4-$5000 worth of turbo repair at worst wouldn't be as bad as it sounds...
RKE Photography good luck in your search- it's a hell of a car for the $
No vehicle is made to perfection. Our Cayenne GTS has no problems, but our R63 AMG has tons. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. Doesn't mean every R63 AMG is going to be problematic.
Might be, but they are most definitively not the only ones testing drivers more than cars
BMW has been my car since i was 5, never once had it disappointed me. just gotta love the ultimate driving machine!!:D
No, it's not normal. But the younger audience he's referring to is people around "22 to 30" years I think. Which, in some cases, can already afford one. Have in mind the best selling car car in Europe is the VW Golf from around 20.000€ (27.000 USD).
Drifting ? These guys are nuts, these aren't made for drifiting to begin with. It would need more mods to get anywhere Drift ready.
how about just track time, becasue that what some owners of these cars will be doing on the weekend. How about just some long trips and let see which car make a better pleasant trips. How about bling factors? Is all related to what most owners would do with their cars.
Oh wow... I actually can't choose. I'm sure the Cayman S is a helluva lot better though. I've driven both a 2000 Boxster S and a brand new Cayman, and despite the Cayman being a full generation ahead, the Boxster was much quicker just because it was an S. But... the 135i is twin turbo'd, and I do quite like BMW... it's close.
The prosche is not actually a mid-engined car. It has the engine in the back, situated horizontally. Just as a volkswagen beetle but in a much evolutioned package
nope... black with red insides.... damn now thats hot!
@TerminatorTX11 .....Plato won the world touring car championship. Fifth gear had a segment about it. He beat Ben Collins (stig 2.0) by a mile as well.
I can't believe how many people are talking about acceleration... The real thing is time on track, feeling you are getting when driving car, difference of 0.2; 0,3 s more to 60 or things like that are stupid and you hardly feel that. Balance, driving dynamics and many other things are much, much more important!
a beemer is a motorcycle. a bimmer is for the car.
I can't stand how Tiff sounds like he's laughing, even when he's trying to be serious.
Love my 135i; but I'd like to give the Porsche a spin...
some idiots compares the Bmw againts amg.
Bmw is a beast on the racetrack.
keep your Amg in straight line cos it can only go straight:)
good point, but the "S" would put the price point way off between the two cars.
@Emzieroy, not true. BMW's tag line is "The ultimate Driving Machine", so it had better be able to back it up. In this case, I'd say that it's the Porsche that has the disadvantage, considering the BMW has 60 bhp more, not to mention the extra 100 ft-lbs. And adding mods to the BMW wouldn't necessarily be the answer, especially considering it doesn't need more power.
"Aimed at a younger audience...who would normally buy a Porsche Cayman." I don't know of any kids my age who own a 135i or a Cayman.
Good, now put Tiff Needell in the bmw and re-film please
love these guys, both cars too
I like Top Gear but I love 5Th Gear its more real, less acting
Love the 5th gear lads just as much as the Top Gear boys. Good show them both of them!
Agreed; there's better pure enthusiast vibe here. I love the Stig and can tolerate Clarkson well enough, but TG relies too much on persona.
i totally agree.Your view is for sure advisable .haha what cars do you have driven ?
that's absolutely right! I always try to tell people this. On the race track there is no better german car then the M3. M is just made for the Race-Track, AMG is made for fun driving in the city.
clarkson liked the cayman but said its existance is superflous next to the 911
I know, its easier to get to know about that on internet. I just say that if somebody wants to buy a car like one of those he should test them and see which one is best for him. Here on YT we (car lovers) are supporting our favorite brand, and talking about specs without many of us even driven any of cars reviewed in this video or any other video like this :D
can't believe there an open centre diff in the Porsche. that's madness
Yes but European cars are more liked in the US than American cars in Europe ( I think, because I barely see any american cars here in europe, and on the internet I see lots of american bmw fans). But somewhere you are right, american cars are straight line powerhouses while european cars are built more for handing in all situations.
To be honest if you were in the market for a 2 door sports car you would obviously check out the Cayman and a 135i coupe so they are comparable. You'd also check out the TT, the Brera and some sort of Mercedes... ALL COMPARABLE.
The one driving the Porche looks like hes having a seisure while drifting
yeap but it is easier for somebody to get to know about the accelaration of the car instead of the balance and driving dynamics...
@chris2586 i could say this true of a 128i. however, a 135i cost more then a 3 series that are not 35i. it also cost more then the x3...
Extacly Its stupid when people say "Money can't buy happiness"
I like how Tiff is complaining how Jason is driving during the 'flying' lap. Tiff, Who is still driving in the WTCC?
Yeah but even then, Tiff had more racing experience then him and even fifth gear said themselfs; ''Our best driver is Tiff''
I don't know the porsche cayman, but the 135i actually does not has so racing orientated spring damping. That meaning it should make significant body roll around the column. If replace the shocks and trusts w/ harder damping, and the stock brakes, it should do great on track.
well it gives some image what the car is like on the limit, but i agree that its more for show.
Still love both of them.They 're great cars
OMFG I THOUGHT THEY CRASHED AT 2.20 I DIED INSIDE O.O
I have the identical 135i. It's made me a lifelong BMW driver.
@Fiinniinnii The 1 series m coupe has 335 hp an 370 lb-ft torque
@kunaalbhasin
Actually the guy in the Porsche is the Stig
The thing I hate about 5th gear is they ride together and never swap the cars out to see if they can have a true unbiased opinion and/or driving skills per person.
This review is nothing compared to the Top Gear one.
But that is bloody great car.
the bald drift judge, on the right, must have witnessed an outrageous drifting...
I should hope so too considering Tiff has an extra 15 years pro racing experience over Jason
@ 8:59 to 9:11 THAT'S BMW DNA. 'll take the BMW.
which is a better buy a 1m coupe or an e92 m3? im most concerned about performance, from what im hearing the 1m coupe can hang with the m3, is this true? i need specifics like any recalls or failures with either models? which layout is better, etc. things like that, i figure since you work for bmw, hopefully as a mechanic, you could really help me out, thanks in advance
Yes. The BMW is better than any other car. But I like the Porsche.
the porche is way better and looks just awesome
That was horse shit with the drifting. Plato totally had that in the bag with that last drift.
@kcirtapnett Maybe the 1M vs the S, but that still adds 10g to the price of the porsche, which kind of breaks the clash between the two in the same price range.
You have that back-to-front.
mercs are good for straight lines because their heavy engines are meant for speeding into highways, going to long distances with mountains in a comfort way, handling isnt so great because it isnt meant to tear the streets.
i have a 335, but i sure would love a cayman s.
If he would let daigo saito geting in the beemer it would be awesome drifting done
He may have gained some skill now, but when this film was made, no doubt Tiff was a better driver with far more experience behind the wheel
I agree to an extent, money affords thing you desire. So if you have all the money in the world, but lets say your not healthy or you have no family then what good is money really? So when people say money can not buy happiness I think that is where they are coming from.
Five?! FIVE?! lol. still, I'd take the porshce beause I prefer handling to power.
which is the best driver's car? BMW, the ultimate driving machine of course
THE VERY GOOODDDDDDDDDDDDD VIDEO
Did you just compare a Bmw to a Porsche? God bless you.
They should try these comparisons with the Cayman R and 1 M.
I heard they discontinued to 1 series BMW, is that true and if so would the price rise for one?
AMG is good but BMW is more of a driver's car... I6 and manual trans.
Dear, Tiff Needell. There may be an opening over at Top Gear (again). If you can end your car monologues with "in The WORLD" I believe the spot is all yours.
Hilarious!...but as much as I like Tiff,he can't replace Jeremy...Tiff is just too conservative.
I get why they are comparing these 2 cars exactly. But the 128 is not a lot cheaper and the porsche Cayman also came with the 3.2 liter for 40k so these cars arent apples to apples on purpose.
Now he is, not when this video was filmed
no limited slip diff on the 135i, only traction control
@l33tp1mp it is mid engined it also has trunk in the rear and boot in the front the engine is right behind the seat YOU should know this
Sorry Tiff but the BMW doesn't have a LSD.
When they refer to a 'younger audience' they mean 20s-30s I would think, not kids who are new to driving.
LOL "The baby BM". Someone ought to remind these guys that a BM is a bowel movement. I guess they're saying that BMW is shit. Nevertheless, Top Gear rules.
@ostropel Tiff Needell is from Top Gear
depends what BMW it is, but they will all out do a Merc on a track
I guess in that sense your right, it matters on what thing you comparing them by really as you said.
well i guess everyone has their opinion and it can be different. think about. AMG makes 6.2L V8s. while BMW makes smaller yet still quite powerful M cars. i still think BMW's are better in track car while AMGS are better for drifting so thats why i said comparing doesnt make sense. a Drifter vs a precision cornerer
how can you judge a car for its drifting skill while it is not made for drifting.?damn
Me two get 335i the new one is awsome and look good same time fast enough
Comparing a BMW and a merc doesnt make sense, a Merc is for "fun" driving going mental power slides, brute force. A bmw is more composed, made for handling and control. completely different traits in both cars.
FYI 135i has an open diff, not LSD
Any one know if they'll be an M version of the 1-series convertible in the US in 2011? I've been shopping around, but can't make up my mind between the 3-series and 1-series, or if I should wait until 2011 (the 3-series is getting redesigned). Thanks!!