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Fifth Gear- BMW 1series Coupe VS.Porsche Cayman DOG FIGHT!!!

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  • Опубликовано: 18 фев 2008
  • A Cool video in witch the beemer dog fights the porsche, do you know who's gona win? think again...
    Tiff VS Jason Plato

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  • @MultiSpeede
    @MultiSpeede 6 лет назад +114

    How did the 1 series win the handling test and the cayman won the drift test? It should be the exact other way around?

    • @georgediaz34
      @georgediaz34 3 года назад +1

      Exactly what I was tbinking

    • @fnativ9582
      @fnativ9582 2 года назад +7

      i mean... for me 1 series won everything, cuz if he would know to drift it... there s no way he would lose =]] i have a 118D 2.0D 2011, i love it, you can be confortable while drfiting at almost 45 degree angle XD but it s about skills, he does better a racing line then sliding ,witch is normal XD still, i m so impressed , ofc my 2.0D 215Hp wouldn't be able to beat that porche but we re talking about a 1 series beating a porsche XD it s nuts

  • @e4t662
    @e4t662 11 лет назад +21

    I had an E30 M3. It made me a lifelong BMW maniac.

  • @orobian
    @orobian 13 лет назад +3

    @Synicade I'm italian. We always had italian cars and lots of problems. Now we have almost only Toyota. The last summer I had the chance to drive a mighty Chevy Suburban for two weeks around California, Arizona, Iowa and Nevada......what a blast! I'm sure I could go to Mars and back with that beauty! Reliable, comfy and absolutely top notch!

  • @TheVengefulCo
    @TheVengefulCo 13 лет назад +2

    @papachels the 135i has no limited slip differential lol

  • @Omega08082
    @Omega08082 15 лет назад +2

    I'm getting my 2009 128i convertible tomorrow. I'm excited! I've also put on some 18" Chrome wheels.

  • @disndat11
    @disndat11 13 лет назад

    Fact is, no one will drive their fine German cars like these two maniacs do.
    I own a Boxster S and I cruise with the top down and enjoy life 90% of time and push it to red line only 10% of the time.
    It is such a joy to own a fine German car. We live only once and we all should own and drive one, at least once in our life time.
    Bottoms up(Salute, y fuerze al canute), from Iran

  • @supershark9k708
    @supershark9k708 6 лет назад +3

    The 135 just looks like a better setup for spirited driving I might be looking into one here in the future

  • @Octavia2vrs
    @Octavia2vrs 11 лет назад +12

    N54 forever :D

  • @paulbi2008
    @paulbi2008 12 лет назад +3

    Bloody good fun to watch. And two great cars which I wouldn't mind owning.

  • @BeybladeGeeks
    @BeybladeGeeks 13 лет назад +4

    @St3nic3 I'm prty sure he's aware of it... He's suggesting an m1 vs cayman race

  • @DirtDude117
    @DirtDude117 8 лет назад +52

    The 135i doesn't have an LSD

    • @epicurean_driver
      @epicurean_driver 8 лет назад +4

      +DirtDude117 It has an electronic one

    • @DirtDude117
      @DirtDude117 8 лет назад +13

      pilotagepassion It has an electronically controlled open differential. Nothing controlling slip at all just basic ABS.

    • @myloft5633
      @myloft5633 8 лет назад

      +DirtDude117 +pilotagepassion I think you're both saying the same thing. I might be wrong but I think he's talking about the electronics faking a "mechanical" LSD.

    • @nutsackmania
      @nutsackmania 6 лет назад +6

      Electronics are not LSD. Electronic slip intervention is reactive and a fucking travesty. If you had ever driven a car at the limit EVER in your life you would know this.

    • @BigUriel
      @BigUriel 6 лет назад +1

      "Electronic LSD" is just marketing talk to fool people who don't know much about cars.
      It has no LSD, the ESP just breaks the inside wheel when it detects spin.

  • @TheChannel1978
    @TheChannel1978 10 лет назад +29

    Wished this was back on TV. Prefer track tests to the endless jokes in Top Gear

    • @adm924s
      @adm924s 9 лет назад +3

      agreed top gear is now utter shit. old cars are all now branded as crap and bits happen to "fall" off. You note how there's always a camera sat at the side of the road to capture an "accident" on a trip.
      They have a "race" where you have to obey the speed limits-so the car may as well be a cheap family saloon. Again-to film at the side of the road the crew has to go ahead of the car in the "race" to set the camera down to film the car in said "race" speeding past, the crew then put the camera away and catch up again (in their van ! ) to do the same again.

    • @knifedance2402
      @knifedance2402 3 года назад +1

      @@adm924s Right. Because old cars are mostly crap compared to new ones. A lot of people just still like them.

    • @adm924s
      @adm924s 3 года назад

      @@knifedance2402 It's nothing to do with them being worse, their doors don't just fall off, accidents don't just happen where a camera is positioned, races where the car that's "racing" against a train etc KEEPS getting overtaken by the film crew to film a driveby shot....
      It turned into a shit obviously staged unfunny sitcom, great if you like Allo Allo or you're not really interested in cars.

    • @knifedance2402
      @knifedance2402 3 года назад +1

      @@adm924s Oh, that’s completely true. The failures you see sometimes aren’t necessarily due to age, but it is true that older cars are buy-and-large inferior to newer ones.

  • @PrickityPrick
    @PrickityPrick 13 лет назад

    i can assure everyone that there is always at least one comment with the words 'top gear' in every fifth gear video
    i love both shows, theres nothing wrong with either of them

  • @gsahrens
    @gsahrens 11 лет назад +2

    the Cayman is costing twice as much as the 1 Series Coupe here in Germany.. That is absurd

  • @amato773
    @amato773 11 лет назад

    Finalmente una persona che capisce questa BMW oltre a non avere tenuta di strada ma non ha ne la lancetta della temperatura acqua e ne la ruota di scorta ha plastica che fa schifo e noi Italiani la compriamo e disprezziamo le nostre auto...

  • @SuperStig1992
    @SuperStig1992 12 лет назад +1

    I'm pretty sure if Tiff was powersliding the BMW, he probably would have got a much higher score than 20. I mean he is a legend behind the wheel of any car.

  • @unclepic1
    @unclepic1 12 лет назад

    No he isnt they're both good, but Plato just won the British Touring Car Championship so i would def say he has some skill.

  • @AvdaficationTV
    @AvdaficationTV 12 лет назад

    oh,sorry accidentaly clicked this while watching top gear,,,

  • @D00FY
    @D00FY 12 лет назад

    This is the most awesome car show ive ever seen

  • @Nunoelement
    @Nunoelement 13 лет назад

    I don't know why a drift challenge is important in a road test like this, no one who buys either of these cars will be drifting.

  • @DFWsCars
    @DFWsCars 7 лет назад +31

    This video single handedly made me pick up a 135.

    • @DFWsCars
      @DFWsCars 7 лет назад

      that and used soo much cheaper than a Cayman.

    • @kirkham1991
      @kirkham1991 7 лет назад +1

      How're you finding the 135i's reliability? I'm looking at picking one up soon.

    • @DFWsCars
      @DFWsCars 7 лет назад +2

      RKE Photography been pretty solid, here in the US they extended the warranty on the turbo rattle & fuel issues (haven't had either). It's mostly been minor trim stuff which is easy enough to fix (visor mirror plastic, had to caulk the convertible window).

    • @kirkham1991
      @kirkham1991 7 лет назад +1

      Thanks for the reply! I'm looking for one with 50k miles or less if my budget can stretch. Turbos are the main worry, but taking the buying price into consideration 4-$5000 worth of turbo repair at worst wouldn't be as bad as it sounds...

    • @DFWsCars
      @DFWsCars 7 лет назад +2

      RKE Photography good luck in your search- it's a hell of a car for the $

  • @NoubsV
    @NoubsV 15 лет назад

    No vehicle is made to perfection. Our Cayenne GTS has no problems, but our R63 AMG has tons. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. Doesn't mean every R63 AMG is going to be problematic.

  • @Smennyboy
    @Smennyboy 11 лет назад

    Might be, but they are most definitively not the only ones testing drivers more than cars

  • @comradecleb
    @comradecleb 13 лет назад

    BMW has been my car since i was 5, never once had it disappointed me. just gotta love the ultimate driving machine!!:D

  • @DavidOliveiraYadin
    @DavidOliveiraYadin 12 лет назад

    No, it's not normal. But the younger audience he's referring to is people around "22 to 30" years I think. Which, in some cases, can already afford one. Have in mind the best selling car car in Europe is the VW Golf from around 20.000€ (27.000 USD).

  • @zinny999
    @zinny999 9 лет назад +13

    Drifting ? These guys are nuts, these aren't made for drifiting to begin with. It would need more mods to get anywhere Drift ready.
    how about just track time, becasue that what some owners of these cars will be doing on the weekend. How about just some long trips and let see which car make a better pleasant trips. How about bling factors? Is all related to what most owners would do with their cars.

  • @AceKing47
    @AceKing47 16 лет назад

    Oh wow... I actually can't choose. I'm sure the Cayman S is a helluva lot better though. I've driven both a 2000 Boxster S and a brand new Cayman, and despite the Cayman being a full generation ahead, the Boxster was much quicker just because it was an S. But... the 135i is twin turbo'd, and I do quite like BMW... it's close.

  • @lifepathsthroughdark
    @lifepathsthroughdark 13 лет назад

    The prosche is not actually a mid-engined car. It has the engine in the back, situated horizontally. Just as a volkswagen beetle but in a much evolutioned package

  • @bassbeatle
    @bassbeatle 15 лет назад

    nope... black with red insides.... damn now thats hot!

  • @pokemon989359
    @pokemon989359 12 лет назад

    @TerminatorTX11 .....Plato won the world touring car championship. Fifth gear had a segment about it. He beat Ben Collins (stig 2.0) by a mile as well.

  • @SRBZoran
    @SRBZoran 11 лет назад

    I can't believe how many people are talking about acceleration... The real thing is time on track, feeling you are getting when driving car, difference of 0.2; 0,3 s more to 60 or things like that are stupid and you hardly feel that. Balance, driving dynamics and many other things are much, much more important!

  • @PiranhaJaw22
    @PiranhaJaw22 12 лет назад

    a beemer is a motorcycle. a bimmer is for the car.

  • @psychdoggg
    @psychdoggg 12 лет назад

    I can't stand how Tiff sounds like he's laughing, even when he's trying to be serious.

  • @Clydeslope
    @Clydeslope 12 лет назад

    Love my 135i; but I'd like to give the Porsche a spin...

  • @yorumlar1
    @yorumlar1 12 лет назад

    some idiots compares the Bmw againts amg.
    Bmw is a beast on the racetrack.
    keep your Amg in straight line cos it can only go straight:)

  • @infidel900rr
    @infidel900rr 11 лет назад

    good point, but the "S" would put the price point way off between the two cars.

  • @ultramarine13
    @ultramarine13 14 лет назад

    @Emzieroy, not true. BMW's tag line is "The ultimate Driving Machine", so it had better be able to back it up. In this case, I'd say that it's the Porsche that has the disadvantage, considering the BMW has 60 bhp more, not to mention the extra 100 ft-lbs. And adding mods to the BMW wouldn't necessarily be the answer, especially considering it doesn't need more power.

  • @marshknute
    @marshknute 13 лет назад

    "Aimed at a younger audience...who would normally buy a Porsche Cayman." I don't know of any kids my age who own a 135i or a Cayman.

  • @awni86
    @awni86 11 лет назад

    Good, now put Tiff Needell in the bmw and re-film please

  • @fikes73
    @fikes73 11 лет назад +1

    love these guys, both cars too

  • @mixmaster8148
    @mixmaster8148 10 лет назад +10

    I like Top Gear but I love 5Th Gear its more real, less acting

    • @EvolutionSev
      @EvolutionSev 10 лет назад +2

      Love the 5th gear lads just as much as the Top Gear boys. Good show them both of them!

    • @shaft9000
      @shaft9000 10 лет назад

      Agreed; there's better pure enthusiast vibe here. I love the Stig and can tolerate Clarkson well enough, but TG relies too much on persona.

  • @savvasxatzimixalis
    @savvasxatzimixalis 11 лет назад

    i totally agree.Your view is for sure advisable .haha what cars do you have driven ?

  • @AmatuerBoxerNic
    @AmatuerBoxerNic 12 лет назад

    that's absolutely right! I always try to tell people this. On the race track there is no better german car then the M3. M is just made for the Race-Track, AMG is made for fun driving in the city.

  • @AlternativeUses
    @AlternativeUses 15 лет назад

    clarkson liked the cayman but said its existance is superflous next to the 911

  • @SRBZoran
    @SRBZoran 11 лет назад

    I know, its easier to get to know about that on internet. I just say that if somebody wants to buy a car like one of those he should test them and see which one is best for him. Here on YT we (car lovers) are supporting our favorite brand, and talking about specs without many of us even driven any of cars reviewed in this video or any other video like this :D

  • @sultanabran1
    @sultanabran1 12 лет назад

    can't believe there an open centre diff in the Porsche. that's madness

  • @whiterazer1
    @whiterazer1 15 лет назад

    Yes but European cars are more liked in the US than American cars in Europe ( I think, because I barely see any american cars here in europe, and on the internet I see lots of american bmw fans). But somewhere you are right, american cars are straight line powerhouses while european cars are built more for handing in all situations.

  • @lucrativeelfmongrel
    @lucrativeelfmongrel 13 лет назад

    To be honest if you were in the market for a 2 door sports car you would obviously check out the Cayman and a 135i coupe so they are comparable. You'd also check out the TT, the Brera and some sort of Mercedes... ALL COMPARABLE.

  • @Henrikix
    @Henrikix 13 лет назад

    The one driving the Porche looks like hes having a seisure while drifting

  • @savvasxatzimixalis
    @savvasxatzimixalis 11 лет назад

    yeap but it is easier for somebody to get to know about the accelaration of the car instead of the balance and driving dynamics...

  • @dreadfest
    @dreadfest 14 лет назад

    @chris2586 i could say this true of a 128i. however, a 135i cost more then a 3 series that are not 35i. it also cost more then the x3...

  • @sher854
    @sher854 12 лет назад

    Extacly Its stupid when people say "Money can't buy happiness"

  • @michaellevere4312
    @michaellevere4312 11 лет назад

    I like how Tiff is complaining how Jason is driving during the 'flying' lap. Tiff, Who is still driving in the WTCC?

  • @TerminatorTX11
    @TerminatorTX11 11 лет назад

    Yeah but even then, Tiff had more racing experience then him and even fifth gear said themselfs; ''Our best driver is Tiff''

  • @1g2002541
    @1g2002541 15 лет назад

    I don't know the porsche cayman, but the 135i actually does not has so racing orientated spring damping. That meaning it should make significant body roll around the column. If replace the shocks and trusts w/ harder damping, and the stock brakes, it should do great on track.

  • @animeonperseest
    @animeonperseest 15 лет назад

    well it gives some image what the car is like on the limit, but i agree that its more for show.

  • @chrismusclemanone
    @chrismusclemanone 15 лет назад

    Still love both of them.They 're great cars

  • @aaronmatharu123
    @aaronmatharu123 13 лет назад

    OMFG I THOUGHT THEY CRASHED AT 2.20 I DIED INSIDE O.O

  • @MiloYellowknee
    @MiloYellowknee 11 лет назад

    I have the identical 135i. It's made me a lifelong BMW driver.

  • @colinsleeper3805
    @colinsleeper3805 12 лет назад

    @Fiinniinnii The 1 series m coupe has 335 hp an 370 lb-ft torque

  • @Dashtea
    @Dashtea 13 лет назад

    @kunaalbhasin
    Actually the guy in the Porsche is the Stig

  • @cglawrence
    @cglawrence 12 лет назад

    The thing I hate about 5th gear is they ride together and never swap the cars out to see if they can have a true unbiased opinion and/or driving skills per person.

  • @Emil-Roma
    @Emil-Roma 12 лет назад

    This review is nothing compared to the Top Gear one.
    But that is bloody great car.

  • @chemkouv
    @chemkouv 14 лет назад

    the bald drift judge, on the right, must have witnessed an outrageous drifting...

  • @aspiringdrummer17
    @aspiringdrummer17 11 лет назад

    I should hope so too considering Tiff has an extra 15 years pro racing experience over Jason

  • @SlowJoe76
    @SlowJoe76 12 лет назад

    @ 8:59 to 9:11 THAT'S BMW DNA. 'll take the BMW.

  • @matthewtroise6250
    @matthewtroise6250 12 лет назад

    which is a better buy a 1m coupe or an e92 m3? im most concerned about performance, from what im hearing the 1m coupe can hang with the m3, is this true? i need specifics like any recalls or failures with either models? which layout is better, etc. things like that, i figure since you work for bmw, hopefully as a mechanic, you could really help me out, thanks in advance

  • @PeterM0911
    @PeterM0911 15 лет назад

    Yes. The BMW is better than any other car. But I like the Porsche.

  • @DrKickass91
    @DrKickass91 14 лет назад

    the porche is way better and looks just awesome

  • @xilix
    @xilix 13 лет назад

    That was horse shit with the drifting. Plato totally had that in the bag with that last drift.

  • @drummer42065
    @drummer42065 12 лет назад

    @kcirtapnett Maybe the 1M vs the S, but that still adds 10g to the price of the porsche, which kind of breaks the clash between the two in the same price range.

  • @BigGee84
    @BigGee84 11 лет назад

    You have that back-to-front.

  • @HMSAAB
    @HMSAAB 12 лет назад

    mercs are good for straight lines because their heavy engines are meant for speeding into highways, going to long distances with mountains in a comfort way, handling isnt so great because it isnt meant to tear the streets.
    i have a 335, but i sure would love a cayman s.

  • @toyotasoarertom
    @toyotasoarertom 11 лет назад

    If he would let daigo saito geting in the beemer it would be awesome drifting done

  • @TerminatorTX11
    @TerminatorTX11 12 лет назад

    He may have gained some skill now, but when this film was made, no doubt Tiff was a better driver with far more experience behind the wheel

  • @nls8520
    @nls8520 12 лет назад

    I agree to an extent, money affords thing you desire. So if you have all the money in the world, but lets say your not healthy or you have no family then what good is money really? So when people say money can not buy happiness I think that is where they are coming from.

  • @footfighter87
    @footfighter87 16 лет назад

    Five?! FIVE?! lol. still, I'd take the porshce beause I prefer handling to power.

  • @goo5976
    @goo5976 13 лет назад

    which is the best driver's car? BMW, the ultimate driving machine of course

  • @AlejandritoOldSkool
    @AlejandritoOldSkool 13 лет назад

    THE VERY GOOODDDDDDDDDDDDD VIDEO

  • @warger92
    @warger92 11 лет назад

    Did you just compare a Bmw to a Porsche? God bless you.

  • @fctsui57
    @fctsui57 13 лет назад

    They should try these comparisons with the Cayman R and 1 M.

  • @GundamZero702
    @GundamZero702 11 лет назад

    I heard they discontinued to 1 series BMW, is that true and if so would the price rise for one?

  • @Beolex
    @Beolex 12 лет назад

    AMG is good but BMW is more of a driver's car... I6 and manual trans.

  • @hulkhatepunybanner
    @hulkhatepunybanner 9 лет назад

    Dear, Tiff Needell. There may be an opening over at Top Gear (again). If you can end your car monologues with "in The WORLD" I believe the spot is all yours.

    • @audiwankenobi361
      @audiwankenobi361 9 лет назад

      Hilarious!...but as much as I like Tiff,he can't replace Jeremy...Tiff is just too conservative.

  • @dexterwallace4060
    @dexterwallace4060 4 года назад

    I get why they are comparing these 2 cars exactly. But the 128 is not a lot cheaper and the porsche Cayman also came with the 3.2 liter for 40k so these cars arent apples to apples on purpose.

  • @TerminatorTX11
    @TerminatorTX11 11 лет назад

    Now he is, not when this video was filmed

  • @levelazn
    @levelazn 13 лет назад

    no limited slip diff on the 135i, only traction control

  • @yunova
    @yunova 12 лет назад

    @l33tp1mp it is mid engined it also has trunk in the rear and boot in the front the engine is right behind the seat YOU should know this

  • @friguy4444
    @friguy4444 Год назад

    Sorry Tiff but the BMW doesn't have a LSD.

  • @markpendleton4322
    @markpendleton4322 12 лет назад

    When they refer to a 'younger audience' they mean 20s-30s I would think, not kids who are new to driving.

  • @chetthehoss
    @chetthehoss 12 лет назад

    LOL "The baby BM". Someone ought to remind these guys that a BM is a bowel movement. I guess they're saying that BMW is shit. Nevertheless, Top Gear rules.

  • @Kestom09
    @Kestom09 12 лет назад

    @ostropel Tiff Needell is from Top Gear

  • @TerminatorTX11
    @TerminatorTX11 12 лет назад

    depends what BMW it is, but they will all out do a Merc on a track

  • @TerminatorTX11
    @TerminatorTX11 12 лет назад

    I guess in that sense your right, it matters on what thing you comparing them by really as you said.

  • @emirhansanli618
    @emirhansanli618 12 лет назад

    well i guess everyone has their opinion and it can be different. think about. AMG makes 6.2L V8s. while BMW makes smaller yet still quite powerful M cars. i still think BMW's are better in track car while AMGS are better for drifting so thats why i said comparing doesnt make sense. a Drifter vs a precision cornerer

  • @savvasxatzimixalis
    @savvasxatzimixalis 11 лет назад

    how can you judge a car for its drifting skill while it is not made for drifting.?damn

  • @PoorIllyrian
    @PoorIllyrian 12 лет назад

    Me two get 335i the new one is awsome and look good same time fast enough

  • @emirhansanli618
    @emirhansanli618 12 лет назад

    Comparing a BMW and a merc doesnt make sense, a Merc is for "fun" driving going mental power slides, brute force. A bmw is more composed, made for handling and control. completely different traits in both cars.

  • @hollowtian6148
    @hollowtian6148 Год назад

    FYI 135i has an open diff, not LSD

  • @ESUNintel
    @ESUNintel 14 лет назад

    Any one know if they'll be an M version of the 1-series convertible in the US in 2011? I've been shopping around, but can't make up my mind between the 3-series and 1-series, or if I should wait until 2011 (the 3-series is getting redesigned). Thanks!!