Very healthy opinion. Of course it's not only the Netherlands, the exact same discussion happens in Germany and France and I hope in at least half of Europe... But I'd love public discussion to sound more like this. EVs are great for cities and people who drive a lot. But I do not see us being 100% EV by 2035. I am not even sure it's worth aiming for that target, considering the political damage it causes. The issue with climate politics is that all practical solutions we currently follow are shit. We are still trying to solve the issue by "convincing" the average person to become a bit more economical. For people with money that may even provide some positive emotion, because yeah, you're doing your part with your brand new EV, and it's okay when good food is more expensive because it's more sustainable. But it divides people into an "at least we're doing something" and a "it's not worth ruining ourselves for" group, and it's really frustrating. We really should focus more on infrastructure topics, like how we do energy, industry and agriculture - unfortunately out of all groups, it's the Green party here in Germany and activist groups like Greenpeace, who don't like research on modern cultivation methods, chemical crop protection, genetic engineering and nuclear energy. Even though wind and solar are doing great, there is just no reason other than fear to have one single coal plant on the net today, and really for the past 15 years. But it's cars we need to focus on, right?
Cars and tax are pretty much the same in the eyes of governments, you don't go after the one or two that are earning the most or polluting the most, but you go after the biggest group, median income and normal cars.
EV's are cleaner locally where they are driven but not where they are built or were the mining takes place to acquire the materials to build their batteries. You might think differently about their benefits if all of the lithium mining was being done in the Netherlands. From a carbon dioxide perspective if you are charging them using fossil fuels then you're not making much of a difference at all. Studies have shown that the CO2 difference between EVs and ICVs may be as little as 10% and may even be negative in some cases. I agree with the pollution aspect but again the improvement is only local for the same reasons. Because the improvements, should there actually be any, are not that substantial, I don't believe they should be mandated.
Flat out wrong though. Climate emissions of an EV drop below that of a combustion engine vehicle within a few years, even if the electricity comes from fossil fuel power plants. It just wins faster if the electricity is green.
Trickle down economy is the mid to longterm solution . Im from Bulgaria living in Germany for 8 years now. The cars i drive now are 2019 and 2023 built respectively. This is normal here. When i land for my vacation in Bulgaria i see cars built 2004-2012 on the streets with milage 80k km considered as low. Infrastructure is also very importaint. Lot of people living in such coutries do so in appartmentblocks, so home charging would be very awkward or impossible, even if they could afford an EV. If we move mentally 20 years in the future, supposing that most car manufacturers sto making ICE vehicles, the consumers in 2nd and 3rd world countries would have little choice but to by hybrids or EVs from the west/far east. That would build up the economic pressure to build up the infrastructure. There are other considerations besides enviroment, that should be taken into accout. Energy indipendence being one of the big ones. Advanced human like robots are looming over the horizon as well. Powering them with small battery packs is also a product of economies of scale and trickle down economics (breaking big used EV batteries for the robots/home battery packs).
Very good points. Here in The Netherlands some cities can't cope with the power demands during rush hour and people are being advised not to plug in. So it can only work if the governments also do their part in upgrading the grids.
Your analysis is spot on to consider just sea transport and the economic situation of over half the planet that doesn't have access to electricity or electricity that's affordable and accessable to petrol. Your region of the world has an excess of hydro electric power most other forms of green electricity costs more than natural gas, coal, or atomic generation of electricity.
Not a big fan of Nuclear at al. The least transparant form of energy. The plants are always over time, over budget and no one knows how much a kWh costs from a nuclear plant.
I've left that little speck on the globe a long time ago, comparing my experience with my friends that still live in the Netherlands, my life is richer, more free and complete overall, if you're brought up in NL and slowly get conditioned by the system, you don't really see it, but the conditioning goes in a ever faster pace, and now more and more people see that their lives are lived by the ever more authoritarian government. I can see from my place there is a great influx of people from the Netherlands (by me personally called Canada of Europe) that are totally fed up with the high taxes and with an overly regulated society like the Netherlands.
E.V. only as clean as the electric used to charge them. Only 36.1% is renewable in Netherlands. The rest is Oil, Gas and Coal. Then there is the manufacturing emissions of new cars. Reduce > Reuse > Recycle. Drive less, Drive economically, Save cars from scrap that are perfectly serviceable. Pump up the renewable generation to 70% and then we will talk.
Hi Tom, greetings from the UK. We.have to start somewhere! Driving an EV is a start, one EV will not make a difference, but cumulatively, it all adds up.
Until you battery is worn out. All the money that you "save" will be lost. A 7K EV can't be good news, due the fact that the battery alone is even more expensive than the ammount of money you paid for your entire car. So beware for that snake that hides in the grass.
In my country the single biggest emitter is transport, primarily made up of privately owned cars. They make up about 30% of total emissions. EVs can easily halve those emissions. Meaning 15% of our total emissions can be cut. That's not a small amount. Every country individually can say "well there is no point, there are too many other countries" but that way we all fail. Each country can individually make a huge difference - note that all the highest polluting countries are also the countries with the ability to do the change. So obsessing about how underdeveloped coutnries would do it is missing the point that those countries are not the ones that really need to. Countries like China are doing it - massively faster than the UK (don't know NL stats) so why should we just not bother despite everything going for us? TLDR: The point is we all have to. And yes, EVs are much cleaner. We also have to do a lot of other things - in my country the big ones that need addressed would be domestic heating (both insulation and heat source) and reducing impacts of farming/food choices, while transport will need to drop more than the switch to EVs alone will achieve (so more public transport, more micro-mobility etc). PS yes, tax flying higher. It's ridiculous it isn't taxed more.
Think of it this way - The Problem isn't EVs, Diesels, Petrols, Hybrids. It's the whole logic that "We need to sell the masses on X instead of Y, which was sold a decade ago". Once they start promoting retrofits and ECO mods that will be when i start believing in "climate change", "greener for the environment" and other nonsense. I'm also not saying and EV, Petrol, Diesel, Hybrid is bad all of them have their purpose, mines are just petrol up to 3 way hybrid and good old Otto.
Has anyone done a cost or emissions analysist on this? What I mean by this is is the emissions actually lower when most electricity is generated by burning fossil fuels and on top of that, there's an energy loss in transmission? Cost wise, I already know it's not cheaper because there's an artificial inflation on gas and diesel. As high as the fuel tax is here in the States, it's getting to a point where many places, charging an EV is starting to cost more per mile. And at this point, we aren't even charged road tax on electric as we are on fuels. Then there's the worse miles per charge and longer charging times in the colder months. With the little knowledge I currently have on this, I feel hybrids are our best best. I have this gut feeling EVs are only a stop gap till we move to something else like hydrogen or synthetic fuels. Heck, Chevron just released a new gas that reduces CO2 by 40%. If the priority is to reduce CO2, then a synthetic fuel like Chevron's will have the largest and quickest impact since there are so many petrol fueled vehicles on the road.
@@super69ev Are you sure? Because EIA says it takes 1.14 pound of coal to generate 1kWh of electricity. EPA says burning a pound of coal emits 2.07 pounds of CO2 and 1 gallon of gas burned emits 19.42 pounds of CO2. My buddy's Rav4 XSE Hybrid has been getting around 42mpg a gallon. So lets say for 19.42 pounds CO2, he's getting 42 miles. The RAV4 Prime has an 18.1kWh batter pack, in pure EV more, Toyota says it can travel 42 miles.. How nice.. the miles match .. Taking 18 kWh x 1.14 pounds of coal means it needs 20.6 lbs of coal. 20.6 lbs of Coal times 2.07lb = 42.7 pounds of CO2 emissions in EV only mode. For the same mileage, the hybrid only used 1 gallon of gas which is 19.42 pounds of CO2 emitted. Looks like just using gas in a Hybris is less polluting than a pure EV to me.
@andygolesworthy7530 They aren't being recycled, the recycling process has a lot of degradation, you'll never the same amount of usable material out of the used batteries, so mining will continue and only get worse as more people buy EVs, even if 90% of minerals are recovered, that 10% loss is huge when you start adding new customers in the millions, much less when that figure turns into billions of new vehicles. Many scientist all agree, that there is not enough of these minerals to power every vehicle if all several billion of ICE vehicles were converted.
No, they don't. Public transportation, cycling infrastructure and walkable cities make a difference. EVs don't save the planet, they're saving the automotive industry.
I agree with you, I would never go back to a petrol or diesel as EV's are just so much nicer to drive. They are, I think, only a small part of the solution and will improve air quality in our towns and cities. But as long as China pollutes as much as it does and poeple fly and there are so many trucks on the road, the difference EV's make is small.
Lol it took fossil fuels q hundred years to make a significant difference but once it got rolling .. perhaps we could give going electric a bit more than a decade to make a dent? Lol .. holy crap.
Yeah, third world countries are definitely a problem, and they are expanding populations, in Africa and Central Asia a used car from 2005 can cost $5,000 and the average teacher salary is $500 per month, a car there would have to spend at least 30 years in service Don't expect these people Offord EV anywhere soon unless batteries became dirt cheap with sodium or something
I never understood why Gordon Murray's flat pack truck didn't come to life. Could have changed a lot in Afrika for the better. It almost appears as if the west doesn't really want to help.
Yes, a difficult situation. Good to hear some candid opinion, a rare thing these days. If all the people living a western lifestyle lived a humble (like Indian village ways), would the earth be saved from climate change/chaos. Irony: affluent (mostly western lifestyle) people take cruises to see the melting Arctic glaciers or Patagonia .... The belching but invisible oil fumes, the wonderful food from all over the planet (how many Tonnes of oil/carbon to send wild caught Fresh Sea food from all over the planet to their Cruise ship), the cars and jets that got them from/to home etc etc. They are not paying for any of it, they get it all for a 99.9% discount. Their income comes from the exploitation of the less educated. This is the western emphasis/advantage - using others. Are we just another Roman empire, with no ability to stop the obvious inevitable? When western nations try to show the world (humanity) how to care for the Earth, it feels every so slightly COLONIAL ("Don't you people understand yet."). The ever constant condescending smirk, "Let us show you, so pay attention...". Sorry, Western world, it is the other way round, you/me/they just do not want to admit it. Living meekly - No one wants this :) :( :) :( !!! The embarrassing truth: it pays to be aggressive, especially in this westernized world. ? Is this just normal animal instinct? ? Are we really to blame? Yes and Yes. I suspect the only escape will be the sudden drop in western population. Young western people seem to understand this, not the old elite white hairs. The days of taking, always taking ... are over, it don't work with a finite planet. My thought: invest carefully: farms - yes, houses - no. Or just move to a village, start a small garden, and talk to as many people as you have time for, ar'lar start enjoying life.
Happy you’re happy with your EV. There’re many reasons to be happy apart from helping a little bit on environmental issues. Even better would be to stop flying in stead of thinking that driving an EV doesn’t help. If you want a better world always start with yourself 🤭
Tell me which EV is just a Truck that doesnt apy on you? EVs are just another government take over of your privacy. Ill consider an EV if it removes all the cameras, the microphones, the Network Interface cards (ability to connect to internet and GPS), remove those stupid IPADs on the dash, put an actual key hole on the vehicle door and many other so called "Smart car technologies". Just provide a basic car or Pick up truck. My ICE pick up is perfect for all my needs, it can hual a full trailer 300 miles on a single tank, it only takes 5 minutes to refuel, i can carry additional fuel in a 10 gallon container that instantly adds 150 miles with no weight penalty (pickup trucks are designed to have better MPG under heavy loads). EV pickup trucks will another 30 years before they can ever compare tit for tat vs an ICE pickup trucks.
@super69ev True, but Airbags, ABS, collision detection (atomatic emergency breaking), lane assist, neither of those require video cameras, nor a NIC for internet/cellular connection, sure a small CPU, memory chip and circuitry is needed, but not GPS or any form of wireless communications, nor video cameras are needed for those to operate. Even a desktop PC that's not connected to anything will still function as intended. I think our over reliance on always connected vehicles and all the other things in our lives will be our downfall. Have you ever seen the movie The NET? Starring Sandra bullock, she was completely erased and replaced with someone else, and all the people she thought were her friends or Co workers completely denied her identity and treated her as a criminal. It will be like that very soon.
Propaganda and misconception is rife. In fact, modern aircraft turbo jet engines run mostly on compressed air at cruising speeds (created by its own rotor). The fuel burning only takes place at take off and landing. The modern automotive internal combustion engine is refined and clean after 100 years of engineering. Ideas of "clean" energy are greatly exaggerated as the notion is political. Note that "data sets" is a fallacy in itself. Real science is a method of testing a carefully considered hypothesis to discover truths of nature. VERY hard to achieve and thus usually avoided these days. It is NOT "data", "statistics", or equations.
Fuel burning only takes place at take of and landing - really?? I'm glad you're not a pilot. If what you say was true they wouldn't have to carry all the fuel they do.
The pollution created producing the batteries, and trying to recycle the batteries are not good. In fact, they are going to destroy the planet. Be realistic, please.
@@davidlloyd1526 Proven fact that EV's are worse. You are kidding yourself. Gas tank can go to empty. Drain the oil. What about the battery???? they are not recycled as cells go bad.
Everybody needs to switch to EV's or else we'll all be underwater by 2012, China first.
Lol
Very healthy opinion. Of course it's not only the Netherlands, the exact same discussion happens in Germany and France and I hope in at least half of Europe... But I'd love public discussion to sound more like this. EVs are great for cities and people who drive a lot. But I do not see us being 100% EV by 2035. I am not even sure it's worth aiming for that target, considering the political damage it causes.
The issue with climate politics is that all practical solutions we currently follow are shit. We are still trying to solve the issue by "convincing" the average person to become a bit more economical. For people with money that may even provide some positive emotion, because yeah, you're doing your part with your brand new EV, and it's okay when good food is more expensive because it's more sustainable. But it divides people into an "at least we're doing something" and a "it's not worth ruining ourselves for" group, and it's really frustrating.
We really should focus more on infrastructure topics, like how we do energy, industry and agriculture - unfortunately out of all groups, it's the Green party here in Germany and activist groups like Greenpeace, who don't like research on modern cultivation methods, chemical crop protection, genetic engineering and nuclear energy. Even though wind and solar are doing great, there is just no reason other than fear to have one single coal plant on the net today, and really for the past 15 years. But it's cars we need to focus on, right?
Cars and tax are pretty much the same in the eyes of governments, you don't go after the one or two that are earning the most or polluting the most, but you go after the biggest group, median income and normal cars.
EV's are cleaner locally where they are driven but not where they are built or were the mining takes place to acquire the materials to build their batteries. You might think differently about their benefits if all of the lithium mining was being done in the Netherlands. From a carbon dioxide perspective if you are charging them using fossil fuels then you're not making much of a difference at all. Studies have shown that the CO2 difference between EVs and ICVs may be as little as 10% and may even be negative in some cases. I agree with the pollution aspect but again the improvement is only local for the same reasons. Because the improvements, should there actually be any, are not that substantial, I don't believe they should be mandated.
Very well said sir.
CO2 is good for the planet, so no, EV's are not cleaner.
Couldn't say better
Good post!
Flat out wrong though. Climate emissions of an EV drop below that of a combustion engine vehicle within a few years, even if the electricity comes from fossil fuel power plants. It just wins faster if the electricity is green.
What I want to see are the statistics of air composition for the last 10 years right there at select locations in the Netherlands.
They are perfect cars! Enjoy your lovely two car garage!
Trickle down economy is the mid to longterm solution . Im from Bulgaria living in Germany for 8 years now. The cars i drive now are 2019 and 2023 built respectively. This is normal here. When i land for my vacation in Bulgaria i see cars built 2004-2012 on the streets with milage 80k km considered as low. Infrastructure is also very importaint. Lot of people living in such coutries do so in appartmentblocks, so home charging would be very awkward or impossible, even if they could afford an EV. If we move mentally 20 years in the future, supposing that most car manufacturers sto making ICE vehicles, the consumers in 2nd and 3rd world countries would have little choice but to by hybrids or EVs from the west/far east. That would build up the economic pressure to build up the infrastructure. There are other considerations besides enviroment, that should be taken into accout. Energy indipendence being one of the big ones. Advanced human like robots are looming over the horizon as well. Powering them with small battery packs is also a product of economies of scale and trickle down economics (breaking big used EV batteries for the robots/home battery packs).
Very good points. Here in The Netherlands some cities can't cope with the power demands during rush hour and people are being advised not to plug in. So it can only work if the governments also do their part in upgrading the grids.
So what's your advice to get a E-Up 32kwh 2020, or a I3s 2021 120ah low miles about the same, but Bmw is about €10.000 more expensive?
Well, they won't get me into an EV.
I have a Suzuki Alto, and i will drive it until the end of time.
That is also a very clean car to own. Sips fuel and is already build.
@@super69ev I think also one of the cheapest cars to drive on gasoline.
It is also very reliable
Your analysis is spot on to consider just sea transport and the economic situation of over half the planet that doesn't have access to electricity or electricity that's affordable and accessable to petrol. Your region of the world has an excess of hydro electric power most other forms of green electricity costs more than natural gas, coal, or atomic generation of electricity.
Only 36% renewable electric generation in Netherlands and barely any Nuclear. They need to work on that.
Thanks!
Not a big fan of Nuclear at al. The least transparant form of energy. The plants are always over time, over budget and no one knows how much a kWh costs from a nuclear plant.
I've left that little speck on the globe a long time ago, comparing my experience with my friends that still live in the Netherlands, my life is richer, more free and complete overall, if you're brought up in NL and slowly get conditioned by the system, you don't really see it, but the conditioning goes in a ever faster pace, and now more and more people see that their lives are lived by the ever more authoritarian government.
I can see from my place there is a great influx of people from the Netherlands (by me personally called Canada of Europe) that are totally fed up with the high taxes and with an overly regulated society like the Netherlands.
The country could do better by far.
E.V. only as clean as the electric used to charge them. Only 36.1% is renewable in Netherlands. The rest is Oil, Gas and Coal. Then there is the manufacturing emissions of new cars. Reduce > Reuse > Recycle. Drive less, Drive economically, Save cars from scrap that are perfectly serviceable. Pump up the renewable generation to 70% and then we will talk.
Very true. I also think it would be great if people start to buy cars fit for purpose again. Who needs a 2.2 ton SUV if you are in it by yourself?
even on that mix, an EV has lower CO2 emissions than a ICE.
Hi Tom, greetings from the UK. We.have to start somewhere! Driving an EV is a start, one EV will not make a difference, but cumulatively, it all adds up.
I save about $300 a month driving a used EV I paid only 7k for. Yeah makes my life different.
Until you battery is worn out.
All the money that you "save" will be lost.
A 7K EV can't be good news, due the fact that the battery alone is even more expensive than the ammount of money you paid for your entire car.
So beware for that snake that hides in the grass.
Cool!
Batteries aren't just gonna break and don't wear out nearly as quickly as EV haters make them out to be.
In my country the single biggest emitter is transport, primarily made up of privately owned cars. They make up about 30% of total emissions. EVs can easily halve those emissions. Meaning 15% of our total emissions can be cut. That's not a small amount. Every country individually can say "well there is no point, there are too many other countries" but that way we all fail. Each country can individually make a huge difference - note that all the highest polluting countries are also the countries with the ability to do the change. So obsessing about how underdeveloped coutnries would do it is missing the point that those countries are not the ones that really need to. Countries like China are doing it - massively faster than the UK (don't know NL stats) so why should we just not bother despite everything going for us?
TLDR: The point is we all have to. And yes, EVs are much cleaner. We also have to do a lot of other things - in my country the big ones that need addressed would be domestic heating (both insulation and heat source) and reducing impacts of farming/food choices, while transport will need to drop more than the switch to EVs alone will achieve (so more public transport, more micro-mobility etc).
PS yes, tax flying higher. It's ridiculous it isn't taxed more.
I totally agree. Great comment.
Think of it this way - The Problem isn't EVs, Diesels, Petrols, Hybrids. It's the whole logic that "We need to sell the masses on X instead of Y, which was sold a decade ago".
Once they start promoting retrofits and ECO mods that will be when i start believing in "climate change", "greener for the environment" and other nonsense.
I'm also not saying and EV, Petrol, Diesel, Hybrid is bad all of them have their purpose, mines are just petrol up to 3 way hybrid and good old Otto.
It would makes sense when we look at the news that is being spread.
Has anyone done a cost or emissions analysist on this? What I mean by this is is the emissions actually lower when most electricity is generated by burning fossil fuels and on top of that, there's an energy loss in transmission? Cost wise, I already know it's not cheaper because there's an artificial inflation on gas and diesel. As high as the fuel tax is here in the States, it's getting to a point where many places, charging an EV is starting to cost more per mile. And at this point, we aren't even charged road tax on electric as we are on fuels. Then there's the worse miles per charge and longer charging times in the colder months. With the little knowledge I currently have on this, I feel hybrids are our best best. I have this gut feeling EVs are only a stop gap till we move to something else like hydrogen or synthetic fuels. Heck, Chevron just released a new gas that reduces CO2 by 40%. If the priority is to reduce CO2, then a synthetic fuel like Chevron's will have the largest and quickest impact since there are so many petrol fueled vehicles on the road.
EV's are way more efficient than petrol powered cars. Because of that fact alone they pollute less, even if you charge them with coal electric.
@@super69ev Are you sure? Because EIA says it takes 1.14 pound of coal to generate 1kWh of electricity. EPA says burning a pound of coal emits 2.07 pounds of CO2 and 1 gallon of gas burned emits 19.42 pounds of CO2. My buddy's Rav4 XSE Hybrid has been getting around 42mpg a gallon. So lets say for 19.42 pounds CO2, he's getting 42 miles. The RAV4 Prime has an 18.1kWh batter pack, in pure EV more, Toyota says it can travel 42 miles.. How nice.. the miles match .. Taking 18 kWh x 1.14 pounds of coal means it needs 20.6 lbs of coal. 20.6 lbs of Coal times 2.07lb = 42.7 pounds of CO2 emissions in EV only mode. For the same mileage, the hybrid only used 1 gallon of gas which is 19.42 pounds of CO2 emitted. Looks like just using gas in a Hybris is less polluting than a pure EV to me.
Digging into the earth getting the cobalt or nickel or lithium is unsustainable. Prove me wrong.
So when recycled minerals are used?
@andygolesworthy7530 They aren't being recycled, the recycling process has a lot of degradation, you'll never the same amount of usable material out of the used batteries, so mining will continue and only get worse as more people buy EVs, even if 90% of minerals are recovered, that 10% loss is huge when you start adding new customers in the millions, much less when that figure turns into billions of new vehicles. Many scientist all agree, that there is not enough of these minerals to power every vehicle if all several billion of ICE vehicles were converted.
its more sustainable than digging into the earth for oil so your point doesn't matter.
Very true. Also, we have been digging into the earth for almost 100 years to get our petrol and diesel.
No, they don't. Public transportation, cycling infrastructure and walkable cities make a difference.
EVs don't save the planet, they're saving the automotive industry.
LOL, automakers are losing a staggering amount of money on EVs.
Tell that to Ford.
loving your honesty.
Thank you!
what is the point of electric cars is to make you dependent then raise your rates and taxes, welcome to slaveandia
Because there's no way they can do that with petrol or diesel cars is there...
Actually, modern jet airliners are extremely clean. Look at the numbers.
They are, but that is when you start from the point that every jet is full. They are not by a long a shot.
EVs do make a difference for local air quality.
Very true!
You gain quality of life and life extension by living in a less polluted city. That's it.
Good enough for me.
I agree with you, I would never go back to a petrol or diesel as EV's are just so much nicer to drive. They are, I think, only a small part of the solution and will improve air quality in our towns and cities. But as long as China pollutes as much as it does and poeple fly and there are so many trucks on the road, the difference EV's make is small.
lol you are deluding yourself.
@@jagsfanrick In what way?
Very true.
You can't be that green if you are flying and travelling for pleasure. I leave my property once a month for supplies. When I can, I ride the horse.
I am not claiming to be. I almost never fly but still drive a diesel camper on the weekend and drive electric during the week.
You earn cool boy points.
Haha thanks, where can I cash them? ;)
Lol it took fossil fuels q hundred years to make a significant difference but once it got rolling .. perhaps we could give going electric a bit more than a decade to make a dent? Lol .. holy crap.
I'm very curious to see what is going to happen in the coming decade.
Can you attest to the ev fires
What ev fires? The ones that are as common as ICE fires?
Yeah, third world countries are definitely a problem, and they are expanding populations, in Africa and Central Asia a used car from 2005 can cost $5,000 and the average teacher salary is $500 per month, a car there would have to spend at least 30 years in service
Don't expect these people Offord EV anywhere soon unless batteries became dirt cheap with sodium or something
I never understood why Gordon Murray's flat pack truck didn't come to life. Could have changed a lot in Afrika for the better. It almost appears as if the west doesn't really want to help.
They are making a difference. They make it easy to spot stupid people.
Lol, you do you.
Yes, a difficult situation. Good to hear some candid opinion, a rare thing these days.
If all the people living a western lifestyle lived a humble (like Indian village ways), would the earth be saved from climate change/chaos.
Irony: affluent (mostly western lifestyle) people take cruises to see the melting Arctic glaciers or Patagonia .... The belching but invisible oil fumes, the wonderful food from all over the planet (how many Tonnes of oil/carbon to send wild caught Fresh Sea food from all over the planet to their Cruise ship), the cars and jets that got them from/to home etc etc. They are not paying for any of it, they get it all for a 99.9% discount. Their income comes from the exploitation of the less educated. This is the western emphasis/advantage - using others.
Are we just another Roman empire, with no ability to stop the obvious inevitable?
When western nations try to show the world (humanity) how to care for the Earth, it feels every so slightly COLONIAL ("Don't you people understand yet."). The ever constant condescending smirk, "Let us show you, so pay attention...".
Sorry, Western world, it is the other way round, you/me/they just do not want to admit it. Living meekly - No one wants this :) :( :) :( !!!
The embarrassing truth: it pays to be aggressive, especially in this westernized world.
? Is this just normal animal instinct? ? Are we really to blame? Yes and Yes.
I suspect the only escape will be the sudden drop in western population. Young western people seem to understand this, not the old elite white hairs. The days of taking, always taking ... are over, it don't work with a finite planet.
My thought: invest carefully: farms - yes, houses - no. Or just move to a village, start a small garden, and talk to as many people as you have time for, ar'lar start enjoying life.
Very true but also not very feasible for everyone.
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What are you talking about?
of course its worth it!
Happy you’re happy with your EV. There’re many reasons to be happy apart from helping a little bit on environmental issues.
Even better would be to stop flying in stead of thinking that driving an EV doesn’t help.
If you want a better world always start with yourself 🤭
EVs make a better world? lol
They are basically insignificant
Tell me which EV is just a Truck that doesnt apy on you? EVs are just another government take over of your privacy. Ill consider an EV if it removes all the cameras, the microphones, the Network Interface cards (ability to connect to internet and GPS), remove those stupid IPADs on the dash, put an actual key hole on the vehicle door and many other so called "Smart car technologies". Just provide a basic car or Pick up truck. My ICE pick up is perfect for all my needs, it can hual a full trailer 300 miles on a single tank, it only takes 5 minutes to refuel, i can carry additional fuel in a 10 gallon container that instantly adds 150 miles with no weight penalty (pickup trucks are designed to have better MPG under heavy loads). EV pickup trucks will another 30 years before they can ever compare tit for tat vs an ICE pickup trucks.
There will never be one because they are not compliant with modern safety standards.
@super69ev True, but Airbags, ABS, collision detection (atomatic emergency breaking), lane assist, neither of those require video cameras, nor a NIC for internet/cellular connection, sure a small CPU, memory chip and circuitry is needed, but not GPS or any form of wireless communications, nor video cameras are needed for those to operate. Even a desktop PC that's not connected to anything will still function as intended.
I think our over reliance on always connected vehicles and all the other things in our lives will be our downfall. Have you ever seen the movie The NET? Starring Sandra bullock, she was completely erased and replaced with someone else, and all the people she thought were her friends or Co workers completely denied her identity and treated her as a criminal.
It will be like that very soon.
Propaganda and misconception is rife. In fact, modern aircraft turbo jet engines run mostly on compressed air at cruising speeds (created by its own rotor). The fuel burning only takes place at take off and landing. The modern automotive internal combustion engine is refined and clean after 100 years of engineering. Ideas of "clean" energy are greatly exaggerated as the notion is political. Note that "data sets" is a fallacy in itself. Real science is a method of testing a carefully considered hypothesis to discover truths of nature. VERY hard to achieve and thus usually avoided these days. It is NOT "data", "statistics", or equations.
Fuel burning only takes place at take of and landing - really?? I'm glad you're not a pilot. If what you say was true they wouldn't have to carry all the fuel they do.
The pollution created producing the batteries, and trying to recycle the batteries are not good. In fact, they are going to destroy the planet. Be realistic, please.
That's just nonsense. Building and recycling an EV is no different to building an ICE car. Stuff gets dug out of the ground in both cases.
@@davidlloyd1526 Proven fact that EV's are worse. You are kidding yourself. Gas tank can go to empty. Drain the oil. What about the battery???? they are not recycled as cells go bad.
@@jagsfanrick BS
They won't. Educate yourself.
Yet they are.
Rambling about CO2 is complete stupid when there is a ongoing war in Ukraine... thats like wiping the floor while there is a leak in the roof.
The planet is bigger than just a small part of Ukraine where there is war.
EV suck, they are not green, maybe one day
Why?