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But Kobold! Have you reviewed Primal Beast Master or Drakewarden yet? Guessing you already plan on reviewing the rest of the subclasses, but just in case, figured I'd ask.
I think you're undervaluing the Mirthful Fey's charm ability. It's value isn't in actually charming enemies, but in failing and then triggering your Beguiling Twist. This lets you frighten or charm a new enemy virtually every turn. You don't even really need your Summoned fey going into melee, though you probably want to for the damage still. Summon Fey is also a spell that lasts a long time, so you will get a lot of use out of your free casting.
I always thought their spell list was solid. Dimension door and misty step are decent spells. Also damage-wise, they might not be on par with how ridiculous gloomstalkers are but they could be up there in terms of ranger damage thanks to dreadful strikes.
@@PackTactics The only weird thing is how WotC apparently can't decide how to implement extra damage on attacks for rangers, lol. I mean, compare that with clerics, they all get the same bonus on all attacks. Here they just had to include different dice, bonus actions, once-per-turns, and ranges...
Otherworldly Glamour is the reason you take this subclass imo. Those charisma checks could make you the party face without having to actually dip into cha and still get the gameplay benefits of investing into wisdom.
I really like the idea of a wisdom based face character. Probably wouldn’t play this into higher tiers but would definitely take 3-5 levels before multiclassing into something like Rogue or Cleric. Could also see going Bard and trying to be a “super” face character.
While i agree that a Fey Wanderer's 7th-level feature is dependent on your team's spell choices, another thing to consider is that your teammates can also succeed on those saving throws. Elves and Bugbears have advantage on saving throws against being charmed and Satyrs have advantage on saving throws against spells. In a team that has any of those races, if an enemy targets them and they succeed on the saving throw, you can use the feature and turn your opponents spell effect against them.
Fey ranger is one of the few subclasses that actually encourages you to pump your wisdom, like the astral monk. If you pick shilelagh oragoc stone with your fighting style you can prioritize wis as your attack as well as magic and talky stat
I feel grateful that I watched this, because (thanks to a great deal of commentary below) it showed that I could make an entirely different form of ranger, rather than playing to the standardized tropes that say all rangers are better off doing X... which is kind of where Pack Tactics was going with much of the video. Thank you, anonymous commentators!
Fey Wanderer is good if you build for it. By that I mean, Wisdom as your highest score, Constitution as your second highest score, and Dexterity at a 14. Take Druidic Warrior for your fighting style and grab the Shillelagh cantrip, use a staff as your weapon and druidic focus, and pair a shield with the best medium armor you can get your hands on.
So an interesting thing about the fey wanderer is that wisdom is added to any charisma checks... So if you multiclass from 3rd level fey wanderer into Lore bard, by 9th level you can add half your proficiency bonus, your wisdom modifier, and your charisma modifier to All charisma checks, counterspell and dispel magic use a charisma check when trying to get rid of a higher level spell. This could be interesting, with a total potential of +13 with counterspell and Dispel magic.
Try building Fey wanderer like this: -Prioritise Wisdom over Dexterity! -Take expertise in Deception or another social skill as a ranger -at 2nd lvl take "Druidic warrior" fighting style and take "Shillelagh" cantrip. -You can pick "Polearm master" feat to give you a third attack. You have "Hunters Mark" and Shillelagh as a bonus action, but you can always spam the Shillelagh over the day, so its always ready. -If you have WIS 18 and CHA 14 at lvl5, whenever you roll Charisma check, it will be= 1d20+4(Wisdom)+2(CHA)+6(Expertise)= 1d20+12.... -Your DC is much better, just like your ranger spells like Dispel Magic and Charm Person, not to mention the lvl7 Feature are much better. Better than any Rogue or Bard. Enjoy
I'm running a build around this. I'm playing a Leonin Fey Wanderer dual-wielding melee build while my best friend is playing an Undead Warlock. We can lock down like crazy, man. I did roll well, so in a party with a paladin and a warlock, I'm the face, lol! My intimidation, deception, and persuasion are as high as my expertise in perception. It's a niche build, perhaps, but a ton of fun! Happy gaming! 😊
With Shillelagh, Polearm Master and Otherworldly Glamour you can be Wis- SAD as both melee and party face. Just have 10 Cha and you're golden. You can be a poor man's Hexblade for a medium op party
This. I'm surprised how many people overlook this. The damage might not be *amazing* per se but it makes you overall pretty solid. Even better, take 1 level in Druid for your cantrips and some extra spells and spell slots, then take Dueling from Ranger, and you'll eventually get 3 attacks with a +2 damage boost.
Fey Wanderer + Eladrin Race: charm/fear on a bonus action teleport and if they succeed on the save, you can redirect it without an action. Oh and you STILL HAVE YOUR ACTION AND REACTION after that.
I had a ton of fun with this subclass for a one-shot and would love to see it at more tables. While not optimal, I had a ton of fun using the Two Bird Sling from Theros, since the ricochet ensures that you can focus fire AND hit multiple targets to trigger Dreadful Strikes
One good strat you might not have noticed is that by casting the Friends cantrip on the allied paladin with a high save you get to spend one action to cause fear or charm for a full minute instead of the one round Friends normally lasts, getting you significant mileage for the cost of a single cantrip. Since beguiling twist doesn't specify enemy for the successful save and your ally will probably not be very hostile if you plan this with them in advance.
Friends doesn't require a saving throw, it just happens and you get advantage. Which makes it a slightly better cantrip than people give it credit for but means this interaction doesn't work.
Excellent video but you might underestimate the 11th level feature of this subclass. Summon fey can be a good alternative for your concentration in small areas where Conjure Animals is sub optimal. If you cast it with a spell slot it can last for multiple combats and Mirthful synergies well with Beguiling Twist.
Hell, if you(and generally at least one other someone in your party) can see through magical darkness, the Fey's ability to create magical darkness on demand might be worthwhile.
@@voicetest6019 real talk, i did a half drow hexblade warlock years ago who focused on darkness/devils sight. patron was a fairy trapped in a sword, so after this spell came out i revisited that character in a short campaign. summon fey with the darkness getting reapplied every turn really is some fun shenanigans.
@@Xyronyte You have the option to cast it without concentration thanks to Fey Reinforcements but if you do Summon Fey only lasts 1 minute. Requiring it to be cast before combat to be effective.
You can actually make a very strong wisdom focused ranger with this who takes the shillelagh cantrip and a shield and goes to the front lines. All of a sudden, your ranger spell casting is good, you can still be the scout because you can take expertise in stealth and use your good wisdom score for perception. You can also be the face, adding your wisdom score to Charisma checks. Summoned fey can equip magic weapons, and they do respectable damage. With better wisdom score, your spell save DC increases too, making beguiling twist that much better. You can take polearm master for the bonus action attack so long as you use a quarterstaff, and all of a sudden, you are pumping out decent damage while bringing tons of nice utility and social interaction capability.
Fey Wanderer is only bad if you try to make this into a dex build (which this subclass isn't built for, Dex is a suboptimal choice). Wisdom is the primary score that will turn your ranger from MAD to SAD, fueling your save DC, charisma checks, beguiling influence, and shellelagh. This subclass in in the vein of Hexblade and Astral Soul monk where you should care mostly about your one primary score.
Seems picking up undead warlock at level 8 might be the most obvious choice to make this subclass more self-reliant. Since the uses of Form of Dread scales with PB and provides an opportunity for beguiling twist each of your turns.
A decent workaround is by being a frontline unit via shillelagh and pumping your wisdom and putting your dex at 14 for medium armor. With a decent enough charisma, you'd also make for an effective face.
1 level Arcana Cleric dip can also give you effective scaling melee DPR by picking up Booming/Green-Flame Blade. With this build you become an alright frontliner but you'll have more infinitely more utility than a frontline fighter through Beguiling Twist (which you'll actually pump the DC of), +5 to all Wis skills, at least +5 to all Cha skills, and free Misty Steps that can bring allies. Not even mentioning the few rituals you can probably pick up as a Cleric and the whole "Ranger T4 levels suck, just get your last few levels on Cleric for the higher level spellslots". Optimizing as a melee is worse than a ranged dpr anyway so I think compensating through the other 2 pillars while still remaining competitive with other options of the same kind in the combat pillar is a pretty good boon. Just get War Caster and max Wis and bam, build done.
@@jansolo4628 The Arcana Cleric's features, especially its higher tier ones, are far too enticing to pass up. Instead of a dip, I would instead opt for a FW Ranger 3 / AD Cleric 17 build in order to capitalize on its spellcasting potential.
@@danraijoaquin Arcana Cleric doesn't really get powerful features on the subclass aside from the capstone, which you'll get at level 20 with this build. Fey X/Arcana 1 gives you unique non-spell utility through Beguiling Twist. If you're gonna do Ranger/Cleric as a combo, I'd stray from Fey/Arcana and instead go for something like Swarm 3/Arcana X because the push/movement can make Booming Blade proc better or simply Gloom 5/Twilight 15 because those are the two best subclasses.
I just want to say that i recently made a Archfey Warlock / Fey Wanderer Ranger, and with the Fey Presence feature from the Archfey Warlock you can proc Beguiling Twist.
Fey wonderer is perfect ninja allowing to use wisdom for classic ninja scouting and adding that to charisma for social encounters. Master of Infiltration, using disguise self and pass without trace. I would probably multiclass in rogue scout to take the ninja flavor to the next level.
8:36 "It's called Conjure Animals. It's the Wall of Flesh spell" Imagine if someone decided to "flavor" Conjure Animals that way (it would be a good way to re-enact body horror stuff, like Akira)
I think Fey Wanderer makes for an excellent multiclass option for Wisdom casters and a decent 3 level dip for subclasses that like to have a decent wisdom(Like Samurai fighter and Mercy/Astral Self)
Don't underestimate that 1 level undead warlock dip, free fear every turn adds up especially in bigger combats. Also there's a fun trick I discovered for out of combat, if you do form of dread and then slap yourself with an unarmed strike you can beguiling twist off yourself for a low risk charm effect. It basically makes you the best party face possible without being a bard
For strict optimization, I think you're absolutely right? But in terms of thematic fun, I think the idea of a Fey Wanderer bouncing all around with short to medium range teleports and then popping off a crossbow or a Druidic Warrior cantrip in battle is fun as hell. Only so many spell slots to do it, of course, but to occasionally just go Full Nightcrawler as a ranger who is basically a swashbuckling archer, that flavour is so fun and... it's still effective ENOUGH to not be a joke character, you know?
Every now and then I remember I didn't really get to push my Fey Wanderer far until the campaign just stopped. High Wisdom build, Devil's Tongue Tiefling giving me more Charm options and the flowers that sprouted from my hair being used for potions and poisons, that roadmap looked so fun...
Fey Wanderer is a fantastic subclass. The real answer to every argument this video has against it is identical to the arguments against all the warlock subclasses. "Why are you taking this class past levels 3, 5, or 7? This is a dipping class for your full charisma caster classes." Add the level 3 tricks to any bard or sorcerer, along with the rest if the stuff ranger gets up to 5, and you have a powerful gish build. Most likely better than any hexblade build of the same level. The level 7 feature is for rangers going Leonin, dipping into warlock, or taking any of the MTG backgrounds that give bonus fear or charm spells. Fey Wanderer is a good subclass, and it's the ideal pick for ranger builds with non standard stat arrays. Half the "Optimized" builds in the game are Dex/Cha. This subclass allows ranger dips to enter that field.
Easy way to prock 7th level feature is to take 3 levels in battlemaster and tske the menacing attack maneuver if the enemy succeeds on the save swap to an attempt to charm which is way better a debuff as long as you can corner an enemy alone or if you're the one to tank in melee
9:49 wait a got damn minute! You dare say Horizon walker when you, the CBE kobold himself wouldn't be able to optimize that subclass. At least the fey wanderer is auto damage and not using your bonus action. Horizon walker is trash and you're saying because of it's eleventh level feature its better than Fey?! I love you bruh, but you trippin
I don't think the Fey Spirit is all that big a sacrifice of damage. The creature gets its own attack with 1d6+6 piercing and 1d6 force attack. Not as good as your attack but not a 100% sacrifice in damage for everything else it can do to the math of an encounter. Especially with that darkness ability.
loving the Kobold - Gator interactions . . . and yeah, Fey wanderer is better than Monster Hunter but still feels under-powered when compared to other options of ranger, paladin, and fighter subclasses at equal levels
Tricksy Fey can be quite good to shut down being targeted by enemy spell casters that has single target spells that require sight which is alot. Or if the warlock has Devils sight, its better than the massive darkness spell in everyone else's way when it's only a 5 foot cube. if you take eldritch invocation feat yourself, Might be pretty decent.
I had a fey wanderer where I prioritized intelligence(alternative to wisdom as a spellcasting modifier to fit the character better) and charisma. Had a +13 intimidation at level 5. Did I kinda suck in fights? Yeah shillelagh moment. Was scary af? Definitely
Beguiling Twist is clearly built around enemies casting shut-downs at the party, not the other way around. It would kick ass in the Feywild, since a lot of fey mess with charm and frighten effects, which makes sense because this subclass has fey written all over it.
Another thing is, I get damage now is better than damage later but I can't be the only one who has combats where its not just a slug fest where everyone is 30ft apart from the beginning. Enemies start far out of reach, enemies enter the fight rounds 2 and 3, maybe even later. Fights happen right after each other. The enemies might start literally 100ft away. There's situations where the first turn of combat you cannot engage the enemy, hence casting a buff spell, activating a channel divinity etc., is sometimes worth it.
i play one of these beauty's and tell you, twist + mirthfull step lets me spread soooo much fear, also the 5feet of darkness is great vs casters to shut down stuff like counterspell. i spaced wis and use specific spells to allow me to use its mod over dex, ie Sheelagh and magic stone. building it away from the common ranger and more towards a support ranger has been lovely. using the fey in the idea of it being a damage tool takes away some of its value however when you you look at it for suport its lovely. exspecaily since the summon fey isnt concentration and allows me to get one more thing on the feild to do stuff well retaning attack acations
They're not the absolutely busted gloom stalker but they can easily be a controlling face of the party Edit: also you can have absolutely amazing wisdom if you use shillelagh/magic stone. (As I said be the controller/face not the major damager)
@@40Found not necessarily. with the use of fey reinforcements, charm person, and/or just being an eladrin you can easily get a large amount on enemies charmed by you(most all DMs I've met treat the "won't hit you" part as also protecting your allies) And if you minmax Wis and char instead of Dex/str you can effectively have a 30 aka +10 charisma score for normal persuasion/intimidation with expertise depending on which ability you made your canny expertise Edit: if you have a 20 in each stat and expertise in persuasion that's a +22 to your persuasion at lv3
Hey man, I know you do optimization videos, but like, do you just work with a theoretical of the class? Like, not play the class at least in a one shot? Cause I've played a busted Fey Wanderer with just varient human sharpshooter and crossbow master. Dispel Magic came in clutch to knock off a Hold person on the wizard... you know, the guy who normally would be dispelling magic? Just cause some things might not seem good for the sole purpose of damage, does not make spells 'bad for you'. Every spell has circumstances where it can be good or bad, including but not limited to, having a spell your class doesn't normally, to cover for someone who normally has it but can't use it. All I'm saying, don't click bait with leading a class is bad. Most will just believe you and we get closer to everyone playing the same damn thing.
I play a Ranger every week, I've been doing that for years. We fight a ton of casters too because that's usually where the challenges really are. Anyways, you're undervaluing the power of focus fire and your 3rd level spell slot. Your busted fey wanderer does a ton of damage! When you cast dispel magic, you did a recovery to undo the 2nd level spell. What I'm advocating is you should just shoot or cast conjure animals instead because not only do you have a high chance of breaking that concentration but you also have a high chance of killing the caster too and if you killed the caster then obviously that would be a better outcome. Even doing damage and breaking the concentration is a better outcome. The guy died or took a ton of damage. And even if by miracle the caster still has concentration, your team mate might be next in line to finish the job. Now obviously I have no idea what your initiative order was or what the battlefield actually looked like so in your specific example of casting dispel magic, it might have been correct but in majority of cases it's not. As for utility casts, sure. Maybe once or twice in the whole campaign. But if I'm wrong and dispel magic comes up so often in utility then I would advocate to try and make scrolls at that point.
I loved the intro, Wonderboy is an amazing song! That aside, I don't like the subclass. I was very excited for the UA version because of the smite that dealt 3d6 psychic and all the other cool stuff, but this is pretty mediocre.
Gotta disagree on the level 11 ability. If you can trick enemies into damaging an expendable summon, that's 40 damage you "healed". If you can summon it into a choke point that's potentially even more damage you've stopped the party from taking. Obviously that's situational, but unblocked choke points are a very common situation That's more than you'd save by killing an enemy in most cases. Also, it triggers your level 7 ability constantly, which allows you to further lock down enemies with fear.
Looked this up because I grabbed this subclass as a custom lineage and uses a spear and javelin and is a sailor lol with polearm master feat it works alright.
With Expertise, and the ability to add both charisma and wisdom to charisma checks, they could make a really fun party face though in a social/intrigue campaign. Optimizing is campaign dependent!
So Fey Wanderer pairs real nicely with Glamor Bard (bard 12/ ranger 8 ideally at level 20)! At level 20, if you where able to get your CHA and WIS to a score of 20 each, and got expertise in all the CHA skills, all your CHA skills would have a +22 to them (since skill checks count as ability checks), 5 (CHA) + 5 (WIS) + 6 (prof) + 6 (expert)! Now if you choose the improved Kenku as your race, you get an ability that allows you give yourself advantage on any skill check that you're proficient in (prof per LR), and if you add the lucky feat on top of that you can roll 3d20 and take the highest out of all of them! But wait, there's more! Then the glamor bard is able to use their enthralling performance ability to charm a number or creatures up to their CHA mod (they make a save against your DC). If they make the save, you can use your reaction to use the ranger's beguiling twist to bounce it another creature within 120 ft, and the creatures that save have no idea you tried to charm them! Then all the creatures you do have charmed instantly fail the save for the supped up command spell you get from bard! Giving you a small group of creatures under your control (more or less)! I know this is a level 20 build, and most campaigns don't tend to go past level 10, but but at least at level 6 (bard 3/ ranger 3) you'll at least have greatly enhanced CHA skills that you would be able to apply advantage on (through Kenku)! Which would make you the defacto face of the party!
weird that you think otherworlds glamour isnt that practical. im playing a 5th level character he prioritized wis and cha, and now he has a +10 in each cha skill
Maybe it’s just that I have decent rolled stats or maybe not. I’ve played and am playing a feywanderer ranger. I started with a variant human and gave her fey touched as her feat (mostly as a backstory reason but also for misty step). When I rolled I got high numbers I put to wisdom and a slightly above average I put towards charisma. It made a very pretty number early on for my charisma skills.
The only instance where damage later is better than damage now is if that damage is extra in addition to what you were already going to do. Like what has become one of my favorite playstyles in the game: Dual Wielding Barbarian. You don't get that cool third attack on round one because more likely than not you're going to take your bonus action to rage. But once turn two comes around you're going to be doing very consistent and high damage for the rest of the fight (and since you're a Barb, long encounters are exactly what you're equipped to do). That damage can be further increased with access to further feats in addition to Dual Wielder, one i've been playing around with is the reaction from Gift of the Gem Dragon. And of course more feats mean more possible utility and flavor for your Barb which is really what they need the most. lol
sure, it's suboptimal damage-wise, but making a WIS ranger using shillelagh you can be pretty SAD. I'd use Eladrin or Leonin to get a bonus action trigger of my beguiling twist
Take a dip in rogue and bard, increase only Wis and char, take magic Stone cantrip to keep up the damage, +22 and minimum 10 on persuasion and deception profit
@@PackTactics why not take half plate, a shield, shillelagh, polearm master, and maxed out wisdom? Edit: that's 15base +2dex +2shield = 19ac, a shillelagh dealing 1d8 +5 with a +5 hit chance not counting extra attack, favored foe, dreadful strikes, etc ..., And the ability to bounus action whack for an additional 1d4 +5 or teleport wherever you want to go within 30ft. If you're a leonin you can roar to frighten people, if you're an eladrin you can use your racial teleport to charm or frighten, or you could just use a spell slot to charm person.
@@connormcconnell7805 Because sharpshooter crossbow expert does more damage. Assume the v human crossbow user takes 16 in dex, takes achrery at level 2 ,get crossbow expert at level 4 and sharpshooter at level 4, and the v human polarm user take polarm master at level 1 ,takes drudic warrior take an asi at level 4,both take favored foe at level 1 and fey wanderer at level 3. The crossbow user can do an average of (10+4.5+2.5+3)x2x0.45+2.5(1-0.45x0.45)=20 damage per turn, and the polarm user can only do (4.5+2.5+4)x0.65+(2.5+2.5+4)x0.65+(1-0.65*0.65)2.5=12 damage per turn, assuming 0.6 chance to hit, getting asi add 5% to hit ,sharpshooter minus 25% to hit and archery add 10% to hit. Yes the polarm user has higher ac than acrossbow user, but crossbow user can shoot at a long distance and do 8 more damage, and range is the best defence. The polarm build is only useful if you want to be the face of your party and be a better caster (with your limited spell slot).
This is the first time I've ever heard anyone call the Fey Wanderer underpowered. The Wisdom score is also less of an issue if you are willing to engage in melee with acquiring Shillelagh for a Quarterstaff. You could even take Polearm Master and potentially Dueling to shore up the damage more. My favorite thing about Beguiling Twist is the potential imagery of using it to cause a Dragon to become frightened of its own Frightful Presence.
I don't think CBE+SS is necessarily optimized for a Fey Wanderer. Maybe you have watched Colby's build on d4, not that it's optimized for damage, but it makes good use of all this subclass's features by being a Shillelagh build.
Yall are playing rangers without 16 wis, damn player! Its super easy to run 16 (str/dex) 14/16 (con) and 16 (wis). At this point wisdom is ALMOST (almost not quite) as important for rangers as charisma for paladins. I know you can run Ranger without wis and multiclass etc., but full ranger with decent two/three feats, max dex and +4 wis by the end, not too bad.
Fey Wanderer is only bad if you try to make this into a dex build (which this subclass isn't built for, Dex is a suboptimal choice). Wisdom is the primary score that will turn your ranger from MAD to SAD, fueling your save DC, charisma checks, beguiling influence, and shellelagh. This subclass in in the vein of Hexblade and Astral Soul monk where you should care mostly about your one primary score.
You are missing that every Fey you summon essentially has a bonus action charm monster every single turn, and that saving against this Fey charm triggers Beguiling Twist. Your Fey shouldn't even attack at all, Charm enemies then try to grapple them, knock them prone or simply block them. It is concentration free (meaning you can spam Fey on to the battlefield getting multiple charms every single turn). Fey Wanderer is a Wisdom first ranger, this subclass leans to the casting side of Ranger-Gish, not really a striker and you want to make your own beguiling twist opportunities through Cause Fear and Summon Fey. You want a 17 Wisdom to start on point but and max it by level 8. You want Wisdom for many reasons - the Charisma skills bonus, beguiling twist saves and Summon Fey saves. You also generally want a decent charisma (12 or 14), which with expertise and charisma skills from a background makes you the best face. Keep dex at 16 or even 14 if you are going to use magic stone and a sling. You want to take Shadow Touched with Cause Fear at 4th level (this triggers Beguiling Twist), with that and then concentration-free Mirthful Fey at high levels this subclass is an awesome control build. If an enemy saves you can twist it. The great thing about beguiling twist is it is not concentration, so if you cast cause fear and then after a few turns the enemy saves, now you twist it and no longer need to concentrate, so you can cast cause fear again. Also Frightened AND Charmed is awesome because they can't attack you and they can't move towards you and Beguiling Twist-Charm is not canceled by damage. Finally the repeating save at the end of the turn for Beguling Twist is not that big a deal because if he makes his save, he saved against Frighten/Charmed and you can use Beguiling Twist again. You overestimate the value of Conjure animals, it is a good spell, but it is concentration, and you don't even have constitution proficiency. Put up that wall of flesh and you will become a target, it is unlikely to last.
I’m surprised with the limitation on Dreadful Strikes when paladins eventually gets Improved Divine Smite which just adds a 1d8 to all their damage rolls, and clerics gets the same but it eventually gets an upgrade to 2d8. Perhaps it should’ve scaled up in dice size as you leveled up in the class?
For me Fey Wanderer is the subclass to pick if you want to have wisdom as your main stat. Take the fighting style thats gets you two druid cantrips and pick shillelagh and magic stone. Then use magic stone with a sling and sharpshooter. You will need to use your bonus action most rounds for ammo but should do ok damage. In return you get to have a great wisdom score, be good with spells and be the face of the party. You could even pick up expertise in persuasion at lvl 1. You could easily be looking at a +14 persuasion in the mid tier. You can also switch to a shield and d8 staff when the meed arises.
I have played a Seeker of (Kurt) Kurtulmak. If you dont know the kobold god (Kurt) Kurtulmak was tricked and lost by the Gnome God Glittergold. The kobold have been looking for him for years. I played a Horizon walker in the Decent into Advernace and I used the Misty Step to jump onto one of the hell racers cars. We trunned into a biker gang doing good in hell. I named him Aloha because you never know if was coming or going
It seems like you keep assuming that your wisdom will be back but honestly, I feel like this subclasses would be best used with a sheleighly polearm mast build because so many of there features require wisdom or at the very least trying to start with 16 wisdom even if your going a more traditional ranger. It just seems like it would allow you to make better use out of the subclass, possiblity even go 2 levels of paladin since you'll have the chr to grab heavy armor, dualing fighting style and smites (later on maybe take a 3rd level to get conquest paladin fear abilities)
I think you are ignoring the Druidic warrior fighting style, shillelagh and focus on wisdoms d wear med armor. Start with better social skills than any cha based class at that point as long as you didn’t dump cha. Definitely a great skill monkey.
With a decent CHA, you can use it to make a pretty amazing social character. Dip bard and be a social god ranger. That’s all dependent on a very different build than a usual ranger, of course.
I love feywanderer ranger using druidic warrior with magic stone and shilleillagh, and then take the crusher feat. Now, you can start as a cleric1 as one subclass with heavy armor, have more spells and then go full ranger. That combination make it so you can use club, shield, heavy armor and be tank, attacknhard, have great ac and hp and also be the tracker traveler and thanks to fey magic, wisdom stacks on charisma checks so you are charismatic So you can make a full wisdom to fight, track and talk, and secondary beign constitution so you use high hp and good for concentration spells It can be a cleric send to the feywild to learn and get lost there and learn to survive and came back with a heavy armor made of giant bug scarabettle and use a stone on a club and a shield made of its old armor Or an african shaman with a giant shield and medium armor with a club weapon and a mask
There is a secret only those willing to multiclass into samurai now ... A +20 with expertise and high wisdom a persuasive force so strong bard become obsolete
I have a build with fay wanderer and swashbuckler+to wis= 2to charisma checks and charisma to initiative Shure these are small early but useful right away in out of combat we need a face bc no charisma caster
My favorite use of this subclass is to combine it with 7 levels of Samurai, 6 levels of Eloquence Bard and 3 levels of Redemption Paladin, as well as 20 WIS/20CHA for a juicy +27 base bonus to Persuasion (and that's without any further buffs!). By RAW, you can basically instantly defeat anything that can possibly understand a language by telling it to not attack you.
@@connormcconnell7805 Indeed, at lv 17 - at lv 3 it would be +14, which is still absurd. Samurai adds another +WIS, Paladin gives a 1/short rest +5 for 10 minutes, Eloquence makes your minimum roll a 10 and later gives you the ability to ignore language barriers entirely, and you can always slap on guidance and some racial buffs for even more overkill.
Yeah there's a lot here I don't agree with. Sure if you're using a ranged build then Fey Wanderer is weak, but you can just go melee instead. And you don't have to summon your fey on round 1, it lasts a whole hour. And yes the Conjure spells are stronger than Tasha Summons but they're also considerably more annoying at a lot of tables. Being annoying is suboptimal but you don't touch on these aspects at all!
With 3 levels of fey wanderer and 7 levels of Samurai Fighter with maximum wisdom and a +0 mod in Charisma, and proficiency chosen to be persuasion you will still have a higher persuasion than a bard with max charisma. And put expertise on top and you will have higher than a bard with max charisma and expertise too. Now if you somehow have max charisma too with this build, then honestly at this point you are rolling persuasion for fun because it will be way too high to fail it unless the Dm just says you fail outright
With fey reinforcments, the last bit is a trap. The best way to use it is to cast before combat and take advantage of the 1 hour duration. You aren't sacrificing damage that way.
I mean, with the base level concentration free casting it will have 30 hitpoints and 15 ac at character level 11+... Even disregarding that it's attacks are melee, with those stats that the odds of it lasting more than 1 minute of combat do not seem promising
As I once learned from a clever kobold, flavor is free. If you are playing in a game in which the DM feels it is appropriate for your character to have a fey themes, you can take a class with good mechanics and give yourself-fey backstory. It is not difficult. Gloomstalker? Came from a gloomy part of the feywild. Beast master? Those beasts come from the feywild. Swarmkeeper? That swarm comes from the feywild. Drakewarden? Oh, guess were my drake is from. Horizon walker? Isn't that a fey portal on the horizon? Monster slayer? They seek out evil fey -- says it right in the description. Hunter? He honed his ferral instincts by hunting in the forests of - you guessed it - the feywild..Outsde of the fact that there wasn't a ranger subclass with "fey" explicitly advertised in the name of the subclass, this subclass was unnecessary. For the record, I picked a swarmkeeper for my fey-themed ranger. His DPR was solid. But I did get tired of saying "Sharpshooter. Hunter's mark. Gathered swarm."
I love your idea for the fey drakewarden! The Drakewarden's dragon just vanishing from the current plane when it's reduced to 0hp always felt really dumb to me [other dragon's don't do this -where is this drake realm that it goes to?], whereas here there's some justification for the disappearance.
I love 3 levels in fey wanderer ranger before going back to a Wisdom based full caster, low con, max wis and cha, and 14 dex for breastplate, and you have the dumbest face build to ever exist that gets all the numbers for extra dopamine. I like to run shiliegh on this ranger build either from the druidic warrior or from druid cantrips if that's your full caster pick so you can take the stupid fun face build and add on an even stupider gish build where you use wisdom for your weapon attacks, charisma checks, spellcasting, and if you want add on a level of monk so you can use it for ac too. You're going to die in melee because even with breastplate and a shield you still don't have great ac and unless your dm decides to throw you a bone in the form of an amulet of health your hp will be bad but it is definitely a build, and one I always like to come back to it for the funny numbers(expertise + 2 ability scores being added to a charisma check go brrrr) and the sword and smile build.
Non concentration summon spells are bad now... a surprise, you can also cast it multiple times before combat, though I wouldn't recommend it, in addition the summon will stay active if you become unconcious or are stunned/paralysed whereas usually the spell will go down due to the concentration rules. I do think the subclass is still below average for Ranger, but Gloomstalker is so far above average it is a bit unfair to say the 4th best ranger subclass (out of 8) is below average (Gloomstalker, Swarmkeeper, Drakewarden)... Gloomstalker is probably the only above average Ranger subclass now I think about it lol.
Summon Fey is a 1 hour duration. And Mirthful procs Beguiling Twist. You could easily have Summon Fey pre-cast and still attack round 1. Even if you didn't, first round gives you a chance to Charm and Frighten the BBEG. At level 11 you're probably going up against BBEGs with legendary resistance. Have the Mirthful teleport to Minions so they take them out while you get a free frighten on thr BBEG. so potentially knocking out LRs will make your mages very happy. Especially since there's no LIMIT to Beguiling and Mirthful gets a free charm on their teleport AND it doesn't say that creatures are immune after they have saved against the effect. Also, Having a Wis 14 and Cha 12 means your Socials are +3 which is on par with any Rogue. Add in Canny for Ranger and you could be the Party Face. You're really trying to sell this subclass short.
Distant Strike will be in use all the time? Not if you don't fight more than 2 creatures and have no use for a 10ft teleport. Stalker's Fury? Doesn't come into play if you miss and let's be honest your AB is so high at pevel 11 that you're rarely missing even with Sharpshooter. Summon Feybl gets you a free 1 hour use of a 3rd level spell that does decent damage and will proc your 7th level ability as long as there are 2 (not 3) hostiles.
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But Kobold! Have you reviewed Primal Beast Master or Drakewarden yet?
Guessing you already plan on reviewing the rest of the subclasses, but just in case, figured I'd ask.
I think you're undervaluing the Mirthful Fey's charm ability. It's value isn't in actually charming enemies, but in failing and then triggering your Beguiling Twist. This lets you frighten or charm a new enemy virtually every turn. You don't even really need your Summoned fey going into melee, though you probably want to for the damage still. Summon Fey is also a spell that lasts a long time, so you will get a lot of use out of your free casting.
I always thought their spell list was solid. Dimension door and misty step are decent spells. Also damage-wise, they might not be on par with how ridiculous gloomstalkers are but they could be up there in terms of ranger damage thanks to dreadful strikes.
Dreadful strikes is very respectable. I think its a little underrated.
@@PackTactics The only weird thing is how WotC apparently can't decide how to implement extra damage on attacks for rangers, lol. I mean, compare that with clerics, they all get the same bonus on all attacks. Here they just had to include different dice, bonus actions, once-per-turns, and ranges...
Otherworldly Glamour is the reason you take this subclass imo. Those charisma checks could make you the party face without having to actually dip into cha and still get the gameplay benefits of investing into wisdom.
And use druidic warrior to get shillelagh and magic stone and can now attack with wisdom
@@FarothFuineven better, dip a single level into Druid and get your cantrips and a couple extra spells there, then take Dueling from Ranger.
@@jcdenton2187 and dont forget the Crusher feat, works with both cantrips
@@jcdenton2187 then you get armor restrictions, go nature cleric instead
@@justarandomkid1152 I forgot that some DMs actually enforce the armor restrictions on Druid. Still, it does work well on races with natural armor.
I really like the idea of a wisdom based face character. Probably wouldn’t play this into higher tiers but would definitely take 3-5 levels before multiclassing into something like Rogue or Cleric. Could also see going Bard and trying to be a “super” face character.
While i agree that a Fey Wanderer's 7th-level feature is dependent on your team's spell choices, another thing to consider is that your teammates can also succeed on those saving throws.
Elves and Bugbears have advantage on saving throws against being charmed and Satyrs have advantage on saving throws against spells.
In a team that has any of those races, if an enemy targets them and they succeed on the saving throw, you can use the feature and turn your opponents spell effect against them.
It's not entirely. Treemonk has an interesting take to make it trigger every turn. Using the undead warlock.
I saw a great build using undead warlock with a lower charisma to get people to fail the fear and trigger the reaction.
Fey ranger is one of the few subclasses that actually encourages you to pump your wisdom, like the astral monk. If you pick shilelagh oragoc stone with your fighting style you can prioritize wis as your attack as well as magic and talky stat
I feel grateful that I watched this, because (thanks to a great deal of commentary below) it showed that I could make an entirely different form of ranger, rather than playing to the standardized tropes that say all rangers are better off doing X... which is kind of where Pack Tactics was going with much of the video. Thank you, anonymous commentators!
Fey Wanderer is good if you build for it. By that I mean, Wisdom as your highest score, Constitution as your second highest score, and Dexterity at a 14.
Take Druidic Warrior for your fighting style and grab the Shillelagh cantrip, use a staff as your weapon and druidic focus, and pair a shield with the best medium armor you can get your hands on.
And magic stone as second cantrip and take the crusher feat
So an interesting thing about the fey wanderer is that wisdom is added to any charisma checks... So if you multiclass from 3rd level fey wanderer into Lore bard, by 9th level you can add half your proficiency bonus, your wisdom modifier, and your charisma modifier to All charisma checks, counterspell and dispel magic use a charisma check when trying to get rid of a higher level spell. This could be interesting, with a total potential of +13 with counterspell and Dispel magic.
Try building Fey wanderer like this:
-Prioritise Wisdom over Dexterity!
-Take expertise in Deception or another social skill as a ranger
-at 2nd lvl take "Druidic warrior" fighting style and take "Shillelagh" cantrip.
-You can pick "Polearm master" feat to give you a third attack. You have "Hunters Mark" and Shillelagh as a bonus action, but you can always spam the Shillelagh over the day, so its always ready.
-If you have WIS 18 and CHA 14 at lvl5, whenever you roll Charisma check, it will be= 1d20+4(Wisdom)+2(CHA)+6(Expertise)= 1d20+12....
-Your DC is much better, just like your ranger spells like Dispel Magic and Charm Person, not to mention the lvl7 Feature are much better.
Better than any Rogue or Bard.
Enjoy
It can never match bard; bard is a full caster.
I'm running a build around this. I'm playing a Leonin Fey Wanderer dual-wielding melee build while my best friend is playing an Undead Warlock. We can lock down like crazy, man.
I did roll well, so in a party with a paladin and a warlock, I'm the face, lol! My intimidation, deception, and persuasion are as high as my expertise in perception. It's a niche build, perhaps, but a ton of fun! Happy gaming! 😊
With Shillelagh, Polearm Master and Otherworldly Glamour you can be Wis- SAD as both melee and party face. Just have 10 Cha and you're golden. You can be a poor man's Hexblade for a medium op party
This. I'm surprised how many people overlook this. The damage might not be *amazing* per se but it makes you overall pretty solid.
Even better, take 1 level in Druid for your cantrips and some extra spells and spell slots, then take Dueling from Ranger, and you'll eventually get 3 attacks with a +2 damage boost.
Fey Wanderer + Eladrin Race: charm/fear on a bonus action teleport and if they succeed on the save, you can redirect it without an action. Oh and you STILL HAVE YOUR ACTION AND REACTION after that.
This is one of my favorite channels! just felt like shouting that into the ether.
I had a ton of fun with this subclass for a one-shot and would love to see it at more tables.
While not optimal, I had a ton of fun using the Two Bird Sling from Theros, since the ricochet ensures that you can focus fire AND hit multiple targets to trigger Dreadful Strikes
One good strat you might not have noticed is that by casting the Friends cantrip on the allied paladin with a high save you get to spend one action to cause fear or charm for a full minute instead of the one round Friends normally lasts, getting you significant mileage for the cost of a single cantrip. Since beguiling twist doesn't specify enemy for the successful save and your ally will probably not be very hostile if you plan this with them in advance.
yess but small isue for rangers, they dont get cantrips easy
Friends doesn't require a saving throw, it just happens and you get advantage. Which makes it a slightly better cantrip than people give it credit for but means this interaction doesn't work.
Excellent video but you might underestimate the 11th level feature of this subclass. Summon fey can be a good alternative for your concentration in small areas where Conjure Animals is sub optimal. If you cast it with a spell slot it can last for multiple combats and Mirthful synergies well with Beguiling Twist.
Hell, if you(and generally at least one other someone in your party) can see through magical darkness, the Fey's ability to create magical darkness on demand might be worthwhile.
@@voicetest6019 real talk, i did a half drow hexblade warlock years ago who focused on darkness/devils sight. patron was a fairy trapped in a sword, so after this spell came out i revisited that character in a short campaign. summon fey with the darkness getting reapplied every turn really is some fun shenanigans.
Wait, does it even take concentration? Are you talking about casting it again?
@@Xyronyte they fey spirit has an ability to create an area of magical darkness as a bonus action every turn
@@Xyronyte You have the option to cast it without concentration thanks to Fey Reinforcements but if you do Summon Fey only lasts 1 minute. Requiring it to be cast before combat to be effective.
You can actually make a very strong wisdom focused ranger with this who takes the shillelagh cantrip and a shield and goes to the front lines.
All of a sudden, your ranger spell casting is good, you can still be the scout because you can take expertise in stealth and use your good wisdom score for perception. You can also be the face, adding your wisdom score to Charisma checks. Summoned fey can equip magic weapons, and they do respectable damage. With better wisdom score, your spell save DC increases too, making beguiling twist that much better. You can take polearm master for the bonus action attack so long as you use a quarterstaff, and all of a sudden, you are pumping out decent damage while bringing tons of nice utility and social interaction capability.
Im guessing you saw the Fey Wanderer build Colby did on the channel D4 😅
Im planing on playing something like that in my next campaign
that is fine, but then, you're basically a druid with extra steps... extra attack isn't doing all that much to justify the much weaker spellcasting
It's less about the extra attack than the social capability, the heightened fear and charm bounce, and the sturdiness.
@@christopherkerndl4040 You know it!! 😂
I always thought it was an interesting subclass, definitely a little underpowered tho
Fey Wanderer is only bad if you try to make this into a dex build (which this subclass isn't built for, Dex is a suboptimal choice). Wisdom is the primary score that will turn your ranger from MAD to SAD, fueling your save DC, charisma checks, beguiling influence, and shellelagh. This subclass in in the vein of Hexblade and Astral Soul monk where you should care mostly about your one primary score.
Seems picking up undead warlock at level 8 might be the most obvious choice to make this subclass more self-reliant. Since the uses of Form of Dread scales with PB and provides an opportunity for beguiling twist each of your turns.
Alternatively you could multiclass into battlemaster and get menacing attack and get way more uses
@@lucasramey6427 That's three levels vs one though. But a pretty good option aswell.
A decent workaround is by being a frontline unit via shillelagh and pumping your wisdom and putting your dex at 14 for medium armor. With a decent enough charisma, you'd also make for an effective face.
Magic Stone is also a ranged option you can grab, and it works with Sharpshooter.
1 level Arcana Cleric dip can also give you effective scaling melee DPR by picking up Booming/Green-Flame Blade. With this build you become an alright frontliner but you'll have more infinitely more utility than a frontline fighter through Beguiling Twist (which you'll actually pump the DC of), +5 to all Wis skills, at least +5 to all Cha skills, and free Misty Steps that can bring allies. Not even mentioning the few rituals you can probably pick up as a Cleric and the whole "Ranger T4 levels suck, just get your last few levels on Cleric for the higher level spellslots".
Optimizing as a melee is worse than a ranged dpr anyway so I think compensating through the other 2 pillars while still remaining competitive with other options of the same kind in the combat pillar is a pretty good boon. Just get War Caster and max Wis and bam, build done.
@@jansolo4628 The Arcana Cleric's features, especially its higher tier ones, are far too enticing to pass up. Instead of a dip, I would instead opt for a FW Ranger 3 / AD Cleric 17 build in order to capitalize on its spellcasting potential.
@@danraijoaquin Arcana Cleric doesn't really get powerful features on the subclass aside from the capstone, which you'll get at level 20 with this build. Fey X/Arcana 1 gives you unique non-spell utility through Beguiling Twist.
If you're gonna do Ranger/Cleric as a combo, I'd stray from Fey/Arcana and instead go for something like Swarm 3/Arcana X because the push/movement can make Booming Blade proc better or simply Gloom 5/Twilight 15 because those are the two best subclasses.
I just want to say that i recently made a Archfey Warlock / Fey Wanderer Ranger, and with the Fey Presence feature from the Archfey Warlock you can proc Beguiling Twist.
Fey wonderer is perfect ninja allowing to use wisdom for classic ninja scouting and adding that to charisma for social encounters.
Master of Infiltration, using disguise self and pass without trace. I would probably multiclass in rogue scout to take the ninja flavor to the next level.
8:36 "It's called Conjure Animals. It's the Wall of Flesh spell" Imagine if someone decided to "flavor" Conjure Animals that way (it would be a good way to re-enact body horror stuff, like Akira)
Fey Wanderer is amazing at high levels with Fey Reinforcements
I think Fey Wanderer makes for an excellent multiclass option for Wisdom casters and a decent 3 level dip for subclasses that like to have a decent wisdom(Like Samurai fighter and Mercy/Astral Self)
Don't underestimate that 1 level undead warlock dip, free fear every turn adds up especially in bigger combats. Also there's a fun trick I discovered for out of combat, if you do form of dread and then slap yourself with an unarmed strike you can beguiling twist off yourself for a low risk charm effect. It basically makes you the best party face possible without being a bard
For strict optimization, I think you're absolutely right? But in terms of thematic fun, I think the idea of a Fey Wanderer bouncing all around with short to medium range teleports and then popping off a crossbow or a Druidic Warrior cantrip in battle is fun as hell. Only so many spell slots to do it, of course, but to occasionally just go Full Nightcrawler as a ranger who is basically a swashbuckling archer, that flavour is so fun and... it's still effective ENOUGH to not be a joke character, you know?
That start is an instant like.
Every now and then I remember I didn't really get to push my Fey Wanderer far until the campaign just stopped. High Wisdom build, Devil's Tongue Tiefling giving me more Charm options and the flowers that sprouted from my hair being used for potions and poisons, that roadmap looked so fun...
Gotta say, I love your videos and how they're structured. But are you going to continue your 'pathfinder learning' Series?
Fey Wanderer is a fantastic subclass. The real answer to every argument this video has against it is identical to the arguments against all the warlock subclasses.
"Why are you taking this class past levels 3, 5, or 7? This is a dipping class for your full charisma caster classes."
Add the level 3 tricks to any bard or sorcerer, along with the rest if the stuff ranger gets up to 5, and you have a powerful gish build. Most likely better than any hexblade build of the same level. The level 7 feature is for rangers going Leonin, dipping into warlock, or taking any of the MTG backgrounds that give bonus fear or charm spells.
Fey Wanderer is a good subclass, and it's the ideal pick for ranger builds with non standard stat arrays. Half the "Optimized" builds in the game are Dex/Cha. This subclass allows ranger dips to enter that field.
Easy way to prock 7th level feature is to take 3 levels in battlemaster and tske the menacing attack maneuver if the enemy succeeds on the save swap to an attempt to charm which is way better a debuff as long as you can corner an enemy alone or if you're the one to tank in melee
9:49 wait a got damn minute! You dare say Horizon walker when you, the CBE kobold himself wouldn't be able to optimize that subclass. At least the fey wanderer is auto damage and not using your bonus action. Horizon walker is trash and you're saying because of it's eleventh level feature its better than Fey?! I love you bruh, but you trippin
I don't think the Fey Spirit is all that big a sacrifice of damage. The creature gets its own attack with 1d6+6 piercing and 1d6 force attack. Not as good as your attack but not a 100% sacrifice in damage for everything else it can do to the math of an encounter. Especially with that darkness ability.
loving the Kobold - Gator interactions . . . and yeah, Fey wanderer is better than Monster Hunter but still feels under-powered when compared to other options of ranger, paladin, and fighter subclasses at equal levels
Tricksy Fey can be quite good to shut down being targeted by enemy spell casters that has single target spells that require sight which is alot. Or if the warlock has Devils sight, its better than the massive darkness spell in everyone else's way when it's only a 5 foot cube.
if you take eldritch invocation feat yourself, Might be pretty decent.
I don't even play 5e anymore. I'm just here to see what Kobold has to say about one of my favorite subclasses.
I had a fey wanderer where I prioritized intelligence(alternative to wisdom as a spellcasting modifier to fit the character better) and charisma. Had a +13 intimidation at level 5. Did I kinda suck in fights? Yeah shillelagh moment. Was scary af? Definitely
I can't wait to combine my Fizban Draonborn dragon's fear with Fey Wanderer in my party when we hit level 7.
Beguiling Twist is clearly built around enemies casting shut-downs at the party, not the other way around.
It would kick ass in the Feywild, since a lot of fey mess with charm and frighten effects, which makes sense because this subclass has fey written all over it.
Another thing is, I get damage now is better than damage later but I can't be the only one who has combats where its not just a slug fest where everyone is 30ft apart from the beginning. Enemies start far out of reach, enemies enter the fight rounds 2 and 3, maybe even later. Fights happen right after each other. The enemies might start literally 100ft away. There's situations where the first turn of combat you cannot engage the enemy, hence casting a buff spell, activating a channel divinity etc., is sometimes worth it.
i play one of these beauty's and tell you, twist + mirthfull step lets me spread soooo much fear, also the 5feet of darkness is great vs casters to shut down stuff like counterspell. i spaced wis and use specific spells to allow me to use its mod over dex, ie Sheelagh and magic stone. building it away from the common ranger and more towards a support ranger has been lovely. using the fey in the idea of it being a damage tool takes away some of its value however when you you look at it for suport its lovely.
exspecaily since the summon fey isnt concentration and allows me to get one more thing on the feild to do stuff well retaning attack acations
But... Party face with druid spells and martial prowess...
They're not the absolutely busted gloom stalker but they can easily be a controlling face of the party
Edit: also you can have absolutely amazing wisdom if you use shillelagh/magic stone. (As I said be the controller/face not the major damager)
Wouldn't you just be a worse controller/face than a sorcerer?
@@40Found not necessarily. with the use of fey reinforcements, charm person, and/or just being an eladrin you can easily get a large amount on enemies charmed by you(most all DMs I've met treat the "won't hit you" part as also protecting your allies)
And if you minmax Wis and char instead of Dex/str you can effectively have a 30 aka +10 charisma score for normal persuasion/intimidation with expertise depending on which ability you made your canny expertise
Edit: if you have a 20 in each stat and expertise in persuasion that's a +22 to your persuasion at lv3
Hey man, I know you do optimization videos, but like, do you just work with a theoretical of the class? Like, not play the class at least in a one shot? Cause I've played a busted Fey Wanderer with just varient human sharpshooter and crossbow master. Dispel Magic came in clutch to knock off a Hold person on the wizard... you know, the guy who normally would be dispelling magic? Just cause some things might not seem good for the sole purpose of damage, does not make spells 'bad for you'. Every spell has circumstances where it can be good or bad, including but not limited to, having a spell your class doesn't normally, to cover for someone who normally has it but can't use it.
All I'm saying, don't click bait with leading a class is bad. Most will just believe you and we get closer to everyone playing the same damn thing.
I play a Ranger every week, I've been doing that for years. We fight a ton of casters too because that's usually where the challenges really are.
Anyways, you're undervaluing the power of focus fire and your 3rd level spell slot. Your busted fey wanderer does a ton of damage! When you cast dispel magic, you did a recovery to undo the 2nd level spell. What I'm advocating is you should just shoot or cast conjure animals instead because not only do you have a high chance of breaking that concentration but you also have a high chance of killing the caster too and if you killed the caster then obviously that would be a better outcome. Even doing damage and breaking the concentration is a better outcome. The guy died or took a ton of damage.
And even if by miracle the caster still has concentration, your team mate might be next in line to finish the job. Now obviously I have no idea what your initiative order was or what the battlefield actually looked like so in your specific example of casting dispel magic, it might have been correct but in majority of cases it's not.
As for utility casts, sure. Maybe once or twice in the whole campaign. But if I'm wrong and dispel magic comes up so often in utility then I would advocate to try and make scrolls at that point.
I loved the intro, Wonderboy is an amazing song!
That aside, I don't like the subclass. I was very excited for the UA version because of the smite that dealt 3d6 psychic and all the other cool stuff, but this is pretty mediocre.
Gotta disagree on the level 11 ability. If you can trick enemies into damaging an expendable summon, that's 40 damage you "healed". If you can summon it into a choke point that's potentially even more damage you've stopped the party from taking. Obviously that's situational, but unblocked choke points are a very common situation
That's more than you'd save by killing an enemy in most cases.
Also, it triggers your level 7 ability constantly, which allows you to further lock down enemies with fear.
Have you considered that your shadow dances though????
Holy moly, Gator can sing.
I play a Wisdom based Fey Wanderer; it has weaknesses but I've optimized around wisdom using Magic Stone and Shillelagh (magic initiate)
Looked this up because I grabbed this subclass as a custom lineage and uses a spear and javelin and is a sailor lol with polearm master feat it works alright.
With Expertise, and the ability to add both charisma and wisdom to charisma checks, they could make a really fun party face though in a social/intrigue campaign. Optimizing is campaign dependent!
So Fey Wanderer pairs real nicely with Glamor Bard (bard 12/ ranger 8 ideally at level 20)! At level 20, if you where able to get your CHA and WIS to a score of 20 each, and got expertise in all the CHA skills, all your CHA skills would have a +22 to them (since skill checks count as ability checks), 5 (CHA) + 5 (WIS) + 6 (prof) + 6 (expert)! Now if you choose the improved Kenku as your race, you get an ability that allows you give yourself advantage on any skill check that you're proficient in (prof per LR), and if you add the lucky feat on top of that you can roll 3d20 and take the highest out of all of them! But wait, there's more! Then the glamor bard is able to use their enthralling performance ability to charm a number or creatures up to their CHA mod (they make a save against your DC). If they make the save, you can use your reaction to use the ranger's beguiling twist to bounce it another creature within 120 ft, and the creatures that save have no idea you tried to charm them! Then all the creatures you do have charmed instantly fail the save for the supped up command spell you get from bard! Giving you a small group of creatures under your control (more or less)! I know this is a level 20 build, and most campaigns don't tend to go past level 10, but but at least at level 6 (bard 3/ ranger 3) you'll at least have greatly enhanced CHA skills that you would be able to apply advantage on (through Kenku)! Which would make you the defacto face of the party!
weird that you think otherworlds glamour isnt that practical. im playing a 5th level character he prioritized wis and cha, and now he has a +10 in each cha skill
and by the time hes high level (if he makes it there) he will have a + 16 and thats if he doesnt get expertise in any of them
Maybe it’s just that I have decent rolled stats or maybe not. I’ve played and am playing a feywanderer ranger. I started with a variant human and gave her fey touched as her feat (mostly as a backstory reason but also for misty step). When I rolled I got high numbers I put to wisdom and a slightly above average I put towards charisma. It made a very pretty number early on for my charisma skills.
The only instance where damage later is better than damage now is if that damage is extra in addition to what you were already going to do. Like what has become one of my favorite playstyles in the game: Dual Wielding Barbarian. You don't get that cool third attack on round one because more likely than not you're going to take your bonus action to rage. But once turn two comes around you're going to be doing very consistent and high damage for the rest of the fight (and since you're a Barb, long encounters are exactly what you're equipped to do). That damage can be further increased with access to further feats in addition to Dual Wielder, one i've been playing around with is the reaction from Gift of the Gem Dragon. And of course more feats mean more possible utility and flavor for your Barb which is really what they need the most. lol
sure, it's suboptimal damage-wise, but making a WIS ranger using shillelagh you can be pretty SAD. I'd use Eladrin or Leonin to get a bonus action trigger of my beguiling twist
Treantmonks build for it is quite cool
I do agree that its cool.
The good news about Fey Wanderer is that it's still a Ranger
Take a dip in rogue and bard, increase only Wis and char, take magic Stone cantrip to keep up the damage, +22 and minimum 10 on persuasion and deception profit
Magic stone is one of my favorite cantrips but its not that good on a Ranger sadly. I wish it was though.
@@PackTactics Druidic Warrior gets you Druid Cantrips
@@feelingrizzly1515 He means using a crossbow on ranger is better than using magic stone.
@@PackTactics why not take half plate, a shield, shillelagh, polearm master, and maxed out wisdom?
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that's 15base +2dex +2shield = 19ac,
a shillelagh dealing 1d8 +5 with a +5 hit chance not counting extra attack, favored foe, dreadful strikes, etc ...,
And the ability to bounus action whack for an additional 1d4 +5 or teleport wherever you want to go within 30ft.
If you're a leonin you can roar to frighten people, if you're an eladrin you can use your racial teleport to charm or frighten, or you could just use a spell slot to charm person.
@@connormcconnell7805 Because sharpshooter crossbow expert does more damage. Assume the v human crossbow user takes 16 in dex, takes achrery at level 2 ,get crossbow expert at level 4 and sharpshooter at level 4, and the v human polarm user take polarm master at level 1 ,takes drudic warrior take an asi at level 4,both take favored foe at level 1 and fey wanderer at level 3. The crossbow user can do an average of (10+4.5+2.5+3)x2x0.45+2.5(1-0.45x0.45)=20 damage per turn, and the polarm user can only do (4.5+2.5+4)x0.65+(2.5+2.5+4)x0.65+(1-0.65*0.65)2.5=12 damage per turn, assuming 0.6 chance to hit, getting asi add 5% to hit ,sharpshooter minus 25% to hit and archery add 10% to hit. Yes the polarm user has higher ac than acrossbow user, but crossbow user can shoot at a long distance and do 8 more damage, and range is the best defence. The polarm build is only useful if you want to be the face of your party and be a better caster (with your limited spell slot).
This is the first time I've ever heard anyone call the Fey Wanderer underpowered. The Wisdom score is also less of an issue if you are willing to engage in melee with acquiring Shillelagh for a Quarterstaff. You could even take Polearm Master and potentially Dueling to shore up the damage more.
My favorite thing about Beguiling Twist is the potential imagery of using it to cause a Dragon to become frightened of its own Frightful Presence.
I don't think CBE+SS is necessarily optimized for a Fey Wanderer. Maybe you have watched Colby's build on d4, not that it's optimized for damage, but it makes good use of all this subclass's features by being a Shillelagh build.
Fey Wanderer Subclass with Standard Array in OD&D Playtest has +10 in a single Charisma Check at level 3.
Yall are playing rangers without 16 wis, damn player! Its super easy to run 16 (str/dex) 14/16 (con) and 16 (wis). At this point wisdom is ALMOST (almost not quite) as important for rangers as charisma for paladins. I know you can run Ranger without wis and multiclass etc., but full ranger with decent two/three feats, max dex and +4 wis by the end, not too bad.
Fey Wanderer is only bad if you try to make this into a dex build (which this subclass isn't built for, Dex is a suboptimal choice). Wisdom is the primary score that will turn your ranger from MAD to SAD, fueling your save DC, charisma checks, beguiling influence, and shellelagh. This subclass in in the vein of Hexblade and Astral Soul monk where you should care mostly about your one primary score.
You are missing that every Fey you summon essentially has a bonus action charm monster every single turn, and that saving against this Fey charm triggers Beguiling Twist. Your Fey shouldn't even attack at all, Charm enemies then try to grapple them, knock them prone or simply block them. It is concentration free (meaning you can spam Fey on to the battlefield getting multiple charms every single turn). Fey Wanderer is a Wisdom first ranger, this subclass leans to the casting side of Ranger-Gish, not really a striker and you want to make your own beguiling twist opportunities through Cause Fear and Summon Fey. You want a 17 Wisdom to start on point but and max it by level 8. You want Wisdom for many reasons - the Charisma skills bonus, beguiling twist saves and Summon Fey saves. You also generally want a decent charisma (12 or 14), which with expertise and charisma skills from a background makes you the best face. Keep dex at 16 or even 14 if you are going to use magic stone and a sling. You want to take Shadow Touched with Cause Fear at 4th level (this triggers Beguiling Twist), with that and then concentration-free Mirthful Fey at high levels this subclass is an awesome control build. If an enemy saves you can twist it. The great thing about beguiling twist is it is not concentration, so if you cast cause fear and then after a few turns the enemy saves, now you twist it and no longer need to concentrate, so you can cast cause fear again. Also Frightened AND Charmed is awesome because they can't attack you and they can't move towards you and Beguiling Twist-Charm is not canceled by damage. Finally the repeating save at the end of the turn for Beguling Twist is not that big a deal because if he makes his save, he saved against Frighten/Charmed and you can use Beguiling Twist again. You overestimate the value of Conjure animals, it is a good spell, but it is concentration, and you don't even have constitution proficiency. Put up that wall of flesh and you will become a target, it is unlikely to last.
The capstone is a good ability, but feels like it should be a 7th level ability not a 17th level ability. Nice but weak for a capstone
Not great subclass
But hey, at least its Features ACTUALLY WORK PROPERLY
Looking at Monster Slayer and Horizon Walker over there
Thanks for another excellent video
I’m surprised with the limitation on Dreadful Strikes when paladins eventually gets Improved Divine Smite which just adds a 1d8 to all their damage rolls, and clerics gets the same but it eventually gets an upgrade to 2d8. Perhaps it should’ve scaled up in dice size as you leveled up in the class?
For me Fey Wanderer is the subclass to pick if you want to have wisdom as your main stat. Take the fighting style thats gets you two druid cantrips and pick shillelagh and magic stone. Then use magic stone with a sling and sharpshooter. You will need to use your bonus action most rounds for ammo but should do ok damage. In return you get to have a great wisdom score, be good with spells and be the face of the party. You could even pick up expertise in persuasion at lvl 1. You could easily be looking at a +14 persuasion in the mid tier. You can also switch to a shield and d8 staff when the meed arises.
I have played a Seeker of (Kurt) Kurtulmak. If you dont know the kobold god (Kurt) Kurtulmak was tricked and lost by the Gnome God Glittergold. The kobold have been looking for him for years. I played a Horizon walker in the Decent into Advernace and I used the Misty Step to jump onto one of the hell racers cars. We trunned into a biker gang doing good in hell. I named him Aloha because you never know if was coming or going
It seems like you keep assuming that your wisdom will be back but honestly, I feel like this subclasses would be best used with a sheleighly polearm mast build because so many of there features require wisdom or at the very least trying to start with 16 wisdom even if your going a more traditional ranger. It just seems like it would allow you to make better use out of the subclass, possiblity even go 2 levels of paladin since you'll have the chr to grab heavy armor, dualing fighting style and smites (later on maybe take a 3rd level to get conquest paladin fear abilities)
I think you are ignoring the Druidic warrior fighting style, shillelagh and focus on wisdoms d wear med armor. Start with better social skills than any cha based class at that point as long as you didn’t dump cha. Definitely a great skill monkey.
With a decent CHA, you can use it to make a pretty amazing social character. Dip bard and be a social god ranger. That’s all dependent on a very different build than a usual ranger, of course.
I love feywanderer ranger using druidic warrior with magic stone and shilleillagh, and then take the crusher feat. Now, you can start as a cleric1 as one subclass with heavy armor, have more spells and then go full ranger. That combination make it so you can use club, shield, heavy armor and be tank, attacknhard, have great ac and hp and also be the tracker traveler and thanks to fey magic, wisdom stacks on charisma checks so you are charismatic
So you can make a full wisdom to fight, track and talk, and secondary beign constitution so you use high hp and good for concentration spells
It can be a cleric send to the feywild to learn and get lost there and learn to survive and came back with a heavy armor made of giant bug scarabettle and use a stone on a club and a shield made of its old armor
Or an african shaman with a giant shield and medium armor with a club weapon and a mask
There is a secret only those willing to multiclass into samurai now ... A +20 with expertise and high wisdom a persuasive force so strong bard become obsolete
I have a build with fay wanderer and swashbuckler+to wis= 2to charisma checks and charisma to initiative Shure these are small early but useful right away in out of combat we need a face bc no charisma caster
My favorite use of this subclass is to combine it with 7 levels of Samurai, 6 levels of Eloquence Bard and 3 levels of Redemption Paladin, as well as 20 WIS/20CHA for a juicy +27 base bonus to Persuasion (and that's without any further buffs!).
By RAW, you can basically instantly defeat anything that can possibly understand a language by telling it to not attack you.
I mean a lv3 ranger who made persuasion their canny ability and somehow has 20wis/char has a +22 to their check
@@connormcconnell7805 Indeed, at lv 17 - at lv 3 it would be +14, which is still absurd.
Samurai adds another +WIS, Paladin gives a 1/short rest +5 for 10 minutes, Eloquence makes your minimum roll a 10 and later gives you the ability to ignore language barriers entirely, and you can always slap on guidance and some racial buffs for even more overkill.
Thank you for your video
Yeah there's a lot here I don't agree with. Sure if you're using a ranged build then Fey Wanderer is weak, but you can just go melee instead. And you don't have to summon your fey on round 1, it lasts a whole hour. And yes the Conjure spells are stronger than Tasha Summons but they're also considerably more annoying at a lot of tables. Being annoying is suboptimal but you don't touch on these aspects at all!
I feel this is good for a wisdom based ranger
Wow, i wonder how it pairs with feylost background
With 3 levels of fey wanderer and 7 levels of Samurai Fighter with maximum wisdom and a +0 mod in Charisma, and proficiency chosen to be persuasion you will still have a higher persuasion than a bard with max charisma. And put expertise on top and you will have higher than a bard with max charisma and expertise too. Now if you somehow have max charisma too with this build, then honestly at this point you are rolling persuasion for fun because it will be way too high to fail it unless the Dm just says you fail outright
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With fey reinforcments, the last bit is a trap. The best way to use it is to cast before combat and take advantage of the 1 hour duration. You aren't sacrificing damage that way.
I mean, with the base level concentration free casting it will have 30 hitpoints and 15 ac at character level 11+... Even disregarding that it's attacks are melee, with those stats that the odds of it lasting more than 1 minute of combat do not seem promising
As I once learned from a clever kobold, flavor is free. If you are playing in a game in which the DM feels it is appropriate for your character to have a fey themes, you can take a class with good mechanics and give yourself-fey backstory. It is not difficult. Gloomstalker? Came from a gloomy part of the feywild. Beast master? Those beasts come from the feywild. Swarmkeeper? That swarm comes from the feywild. Drakewarden? Oh, guess were my drake is from. Horizon walker? Isn't that a fey portal on the horizon? Monster slayer? They seek out evil fey -- says it right in the description. Hunter? He honed his ferral instincts by hunting in the forests of - you guessed it - the feywild..Outsde of the fact that there wasn't a ranger subclass with "fey" explicitly advertised in the name of the subclass, this subclass was unnecessary. For the record, I picked a swarmkeeper for my fey-themed ranger. His DPR was solid. But I did get tired of saying "Sharpshooter. Hunter's mark. Gathered swarm."
I love your idea for the fey drakewarden! The Drakewarden's dragon just vanishing from the current plane when it's reduced to 0hp always felt really dumb to me [other dragon's don't do this -where is this drake realm that it goes to?], whereas here there's some justification for the disappearance.
I love 3 levels in fey wanderer ranger before going back to a Wisdom based full caster, low con, max wis and cha, and 14 dex for breastplate, and you have the dumbest face build to ever exist that gets all the numbers for extra dopamine. I like to run shiliegh on this ranger build either from the druidic warrior or from druid cantrips if that's your full caster pick so you can take the stupid fun face build and add on an even stupider gish build where you use wisdom for your weapon attacks, charisma checks, spellcasting, and if you want add on a level of monk so you can use it for ac too. You're going to die in melee because even with breastplate and a shield you still don't have great ac and unless your dm decides to throw you a bone in the form of an amulet of health your hp will be bad but it is definitely a build, and one I always like to come back to it for the funny numbers(expertise + 2 ability scores being added to a charisma check go brrrr) and the sword and smile build.
I'd say misty step is a lot better than most ranger capstones at least because near all of em are just "lol uncanny dodge"
Normally you get it anyway but that start-up-pun instant +1, at 5 seconds in ^^
Non concentration summon spells are bad now... a surprise, you can also cast it multiple times before combat, though I wouldn't recommend it, in addition the summon will stay active if you become unconcious or are stunned/paralysed whereas usually the spell will go down due to the concentration rules.
I do think the subclass is still below average for Ranger, but Gloomstalker is so far above average it is a bit unfair to say the 4th best ranger subclass (out of 8) is below average (Gloomstalker, Swarmkeeper, Drakewarden)... Gloomstalker is probably the only above average Ranger subclass now I think about it lol.
Your title is triggering me but I have to wait to watch later, I’ll be back lol
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Summon fey lasts an hour, you can cast it when you enter the dungeon
Summon Fey is a 1 hour duration. And Mirthful procs Beguiling Twist. You could easily have Summon Fey pre-cast and still attack round 1.
Even if you didn't, first round gives you a chance to Charm and Frighten the BBEG. At level 11 you're probably going up against BBEGs with legendary resistance. Have the Mirthful teleport to Minions so they take them out while you get a free frighten on thr BBEG.
so potentially knocking out LRs will make your mages very happy. Especially since there's no LIMIT to Beguiling and Mirthful gets a free charm on their teleport AND it doesn't say that creatures are immune after they have saved against the effect.
Also, Having a Wis 14 and Cha 12 means your Socials are +3 which is on par with any Rogue. Add in Canny for Ranger and you could be the Party Face. You're really trying to sell this subclass short.
Distant Strike will be in use all the time? Not if you don't fight more than 2 creatures and have no use for a 10ft teleport. Stalker's Fury? Doesn't come into play if you miss and let's be honest your AB is so high at pevel 11 that you're rarely missing even with Sharpshooter.
Summon Feybl gets you a free 1 hour use of a 3rd level spell that does decent damage and will proc your 7th level ability as long as there are 2 (not 3) hostiles.
Chance you'll do swarmkeeper next? The forced movement options always seemed quite interesting even if not close to something like ghostlance.
Maybe next month. Beast master is might be first though.
That single level into Undead warlock, though.
I didn't know rangers could go past level 5...