Brilliant testing! This kind of test is exactly what I was looking for weeks! But I'm still not convinced what device I should buy. Microsoft is going to present in October the Surface Pro 6. Propably a reason to stall the buy. My main field of use is taking notes at university lectures and I would like to be able to draw also exactly geometry objects.
Brandon S I tested the Surface Go and it has an awful writing experience... the digitizer is not as responsive as the Surface Pro it does (btw it is even worse than the iPad 2018). On the other hand I want to use an OS which doesn't regulate me to use only Apps for the Microsoft Store as Windows S-Mode. For example I would like to use Eclipse IDE and math programs.
So now that Microsoft hasn't made any updates to the Pro6 which would you buy now? Sure the i5 is the new base. Still the same exact form factor... same screen, garbage cameras, and raking you over the coals for all accessories, etc. I find it hard to justify the Pro6 or other Pro models. Seems very much like Microsoft doesn't want artists using their machines while other manufacturers are catering to them.
@@maxlpower4985 la go de surface si se puede actualizar al windows pro o al normal si no recuerdo bien. Pero definitivamente si te vas a dibujar mil veces te recomiendo la lenovo por la tecnologia de su PENCIL.
I just bought a Lenovo Yoga 930C and waiting for it to be delivered. I hope it's going to be a good combo laptop and drawing tablet. They added a garage for the pen so they fixed one of the major gripes about the Miix 520. It looks like the drawing capability should be pretty good based on what I see here assuming their range of computers behave similarly. Thanks for the review.
Teoh, the surface pro did have a very annoying issue that also manifested a bit different than from the example that you showed. The line would hop and skip .. for example -if you drew a dotted straight line , every dot would appear very different, in different positions and it also acted different depending on what part of the screen you drew on.. it was very hard to do accurate work in many situations... This issue was present over a year since launch but FINALLY it has been fixed with some of the latest Windows updates... So if you had the latest updates, you wouldn't see it. Perhaps only if you dived deep into testing before the updates.. Great review as always! Keep up the awesome work!
Teoh Yi Chie : thanks for the reply. It was released on 8/8/18 via the regular Windows update on the surface device and I think it was "Surface - Firmware - 429.0.1.10" (in that days update package) that fixed it. The link below shows the enormously large (and long Microsoft thread about the issue) answers.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/forum/surfpronew-surfdrivers/surface-pro-intermittent-pen-inaccuracy-when-hand/28ef8566-0003-4c68-a964-6c2562423eb0 from what I've seen - most people are happy now. This includes myself! (I upgraded from surface pro 3 and was originally very disappointed)
Super helpful video, thanks!! Btw I've found a second handed Lenovo Miix 520 for $600. That's half price I would pay in a newer Surface Pro with similar specs and accessories. Is the Miix 520 still worth it comparing to others 2-in-1? (I'll use for graphic design and programming)
Great video - exactly what I was looking for! Teoh, would you rather go for a miix with higher specs or for the surface pro 6 with i5 and 256gb ssd spending the same money?
llenovo miix 520 a bajado bastante en amazon. Te ahorras bastante e incluye ese lapiz que es una maravilla frente al de la surface. Te lo recomiendo yo la tengo y me ha simplificado bastante la vida en la carrera no cambiaria por nada mi lenovo miix. Estudio diseño grafico incluso un compañero tiene la surface pro 2017 y pudimos corroborar lo del video. Realmente depende tus necesidades si apuestas mas por diseño externo y por un poco mas de bateria y menos ruido sin importar dinero escoje la Surface pro. Pero si quieres rendimiento y la tecnologia wacon que es un util para profesionales escoje la lenovo
For Artists it's very obvious that the Miix is better, but for me as an ordinary student I prefer the Surface with a better battery, no fan and a better screen.
I'm in the market for a detachable windows tablet. It's sad there are very few choices left. The manufacturers lost interest. In canada, there is the surface pro 7 and the 520 at a discounted price. Not a true apple to apple comparison. Is the Surface pro 7 worth the $550 difference? Lenovo 520, $1100 cad, includes pen and keyboard, 8/256 GB, 8th gen i7 Pro: incredible value, includes pen and keyboard, good performance, more money left over for accessories Con: fan noise, thick bezels, discontinued, dated model, battery life, screen resolution Surface Pro 7, $1650 cad, pen and keyboard, 8/128 GB, 10th gen i5 Pro: best in class, screen resolution, silent, 10 th gen cpu Con: price poor value, battery life less than SP6, dated design, pen and keyboard sold separately
@@sitoudien9816 Well, if you use a lot of USB C devices then it may make sense to get SP7 for that port. But for price and value, SP6 is good simply because it so much cheaper now. SP6 i5 256GB is US $800 while SP7 is $400 more. Not having USB C to save $400 makes more sense to me. You can use the saving to get the Surface Pen, maybe even extended warranty.
What's the actual difference between the Miix 520 and the 510? I'm on the verge of buying a 510 for a good deal. I assume I can buy the Active Pen 2 later if I do not like the plastic against glass with the included Active Pen 1? Or are there replacement nibs for the Pen 1 with softer feel? Thank you for all your reviews!
Thank you for answering. I'm looking at the lower spec 510 (i3, 4GB, 128GB). I tried out Sketchbook Pro on my ordinary laptop with an old i5 which should be equivalent in speed to the 6th gen i3 in the Miix 510 and it was super fluid even with large brushes and canvas, so I'm kind of hopeful that the i3 will suffice. But screen and build quality should be the same 510-520?
Thank you, and I'm sorry to be bothering you, it's just rare to find someone who has experience with all these cool art devices. One last question, if you have the time. Would you recommend the Miix 510 (i3,4GB,128GB) or the Surface Book 13" (the original 1, not 2, with i5,8gb,128gb) for drawing? Prices would be 320 USD for Miix 510 and 530 USD for Surface Book, so not super big difference in price but still some.
Hi, Do we need screen protector(not only for miix 520 and surface pro, but for any 2 in 1 device that supports pen input) if we are using pen intensely or even moderately or lightly??
You don't really need screen protector. The pen tip is plastic against glass so it's not going to scratch. A proper flip case that protects the front is good enough. When wiping, it's best to dust off the screen before wiping in case there are hard dust bits.
The metal touching offset issue has been greatly improved since some recent firmware update, so much that it's almost a non-issue now. The offset was really unbearable before this, so much so that many of us had to use alternative 3rd party pens, and some people are still affected, and the SB2 has it too. Your original SP2017 pen review sadly overlooked this. If reviewers like you reported about this issue earlier, we could have had a fix much earlier, instead of more than a year later.
You can if you want to. There are free antivirus software you can find at Download.com. Actually Windows already has built in antivirus called Windows Defender and firewall already. You may want to read up on Windows Defender and see if it is sufficient for you
@@teohyc thanks for quick reply. If I can find a good deal on eBay w pencil I'll look into it. If it is about the same price for a used surface go or pro 4 or 5.
Hi. I am a developer I use Android studio I use Adobe studio, movie editing, and my project mostly web based and apps. can this laptop run the tools I'd be using ?
M...well i am looking for something for dawing and soft gaming. I travel a lot so i am planing to sell my laptop and other things and just have a device like the Surface. Can someone help me? Greetings from Chile
Btw, you can improve battery life and memory usage by using tablet mode in combination with proper WinRT/UWP apps, since they will automatically suspend in the background while switching between apps. This is why we should urge developers to get away from Win32, since it is holding back Windows battery efficiency compared to iPads and Android tablets. It's also, why I only draw in Sketchable, Sketchbook UWP, and Concepts.
I can't say since I've not used the Asus before. But those flip type laptops are not that suitable for drawing. Their screens are for finger input only. Does not work well with stylus
Soy diseñador grafico y creeme que no ayuda en nada que sea una de la otra. Mil veces me sirve la tecnologia del lapiz. Pero si me gustaria que tuviera un poco mas de bateria la lenovo
Time stamps:
01:00 - Bottomline
03:06 - Build quality & design
05:58 - Screen
08:17 - Processor
11:30 - Pens
14:04 - Pen driver
16:39 - Surface Pen strokes
21:36 - Active Pen 2 strokes
23:56 - Battery life
24:47 - Conclusion
Teoh Yi Chie thank you!
Hi :)
What keyboard model is this? The one from Logitech. Thanks
i5 or i7 , 8/16 gigs
Your video is the only one to answer many of my questions. Thanks!
Brilliant testing! This kind of test is exactly what I was looking for weeks! But I'm still not convinced what device I should buy. Microsoft is going to present in October the Surface Pro 6. Propably a reason to stall the buy. My main field of use is taking notes at university lectures and I would like to be able to draw also exactly geometry objects.
I'm looking forward to the new Surface Pros too. Hopefully more powerful and even better battery. And larger screen.
Brandon S I tested the Surface Go and it has an awful writing experience... the digitizer is not as responsive as the Surface Pro it does (btw it is even worse than the iPad 2018). On the other hand I want to use an OS which doesn't regulate me to use only Apps for the Microsoft Store as Windows S-Mode. For example I would like to use Eclipse IDE and math programs.
So now that Microsoft hasn't made any updates to the Pro6 which would you buy now? Sure the i5 is the new base. Still the same exact form factor... same screen, garbage cameras, and raking you over the coals for all accessories, etc. I find it hard to justify the Pro6 or other Pro models. Seems very much like Microsoft doesn't want artists using their machines while other manufacturers are catering to them.
@@maxlpower4985 la go de surface si se puede actualizar al windows pro o al normal si no recuerdo bien. Pero definitivamente si te vas a dibujar mil veces te recomiendo la lenovo por la tecnologia de su PENCIL.
I just bought a Lenovo Yoga 930C and waiting for it to be delivered. I hope it's going to be a good combo laptop and drawing tablet. They added a garage for the pen so they fixed one of the major gripes about the Miix 520. It looks like the drawing capability should be pretty good based on what I see here assuming their range of computers behave similarly. Thanks for the review.
Teoh, the surface pro did have a very annoying issue that also manifested a bit different than from the example that you showed. The line would hop and skip .. for example -if you drew a dotted straight line , every dot would appear very different, in different positions and it also acted different depending on what part of the screen you drew on.. it was very hard to do accurate work in many situations... This issue was present over a year since launch but FINALLY it has been fixed with some of the latest Windows updates... So if you had the latest updates, you wouldn't see it. Perhaps only if you dived deep into testing before the updates..
Great review as always!
Keep up the awesome work!
Is there a name to the update or it's just through the regular Windows update within the OS?
Teoh Yi Chie : thanks for the reply.
It was released on 8/8/18 via the regular Windows update on the surface device and I think it was "Surface - Firmware - 429.0.1.10" (in that days update package) that fixed it.
The link below shows the enormously large (and long Microsoft thread about the issue)
answers.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/forum/surfpronew-surfdrivers/surface-pro-intermittent-pen-inaccuracy-when-hand/28ef8566-0003-4c68-a964-6c2562423eb0
from what I've seen - most people are happy now. This includes myself! (I upgraded from surface pro 3 and was originally very disappointed)
Is the Lenovo yoga 530 a better version than Lenovo miix ? Pen performance
Super helpful video, thanks!! Btw I've found a second handed Lenovo Miix 520 for $600. That's half price I would pay in a newer Surface Pro with similar specs and accessories. Is the Miix 520 still worth it comparing to others 2-in-1? (I'll use for graphic design and programming)
I'd love to see you review the Levono Flex 14. The Ryzen 5 AMD version is recommended
Great video - exactly what I was looking for!
Teoh, would you rather go for a miix with higher specs or for the surface pro 6 with i5 and 256gb ssd spending the same money?
Probably Miix. It's more worth the money compared to Surface Pro.
@@teohyc Nooo way bro - Surface Pro 6 with i5 is the better option.
llenovo miix 520 a bajado bastante en amazon. Te ahorras bastante e incluye ese lapiz que es una maravilla frente al de la surface. Te lo recomiendo yo la tengo y me ha simplificado bastante la vida en la carrera no cambiaria por nada mi lenovo miix. Estudio diseño grafico incluso un compañero tiene la surface pro 2017 y pudimos corroborar lo del video. Realmente depende tus necesidades si apuestas mas por diseño externo y por un poco mas de bateria y menos ruido sin importar dinero escoje la Surface pro. Pero si quieres rendimiento y la tecnologia wacon que es un util para profesionales escoje la lenovo
For Artists it's very obvious that the Miix is better, but for me as an ordinary student I prefer the Surface with a better battery, no fan and a better screen.
How long have you had it? Is it still running well? What one do you have sp5 or sp4?
Thanks for this video! 🌸
Hi teoh. Thanks for the review. Do you think the i7 version miix 520 has worse battery life compare to the i5?
More powerful processors usually has lower battery life.
I jusr got SP6 and lovin it :-)
Wonderful comparison, is there any trouble connecting to external monitors? thx
No problem. You will need to get the right adapter.
Excellent video, thank you!
I'm in the market for a detachable windows tablet. It's sad there are very few choices left. The manufacturers lost interest. In canada, there is the surface pro 7 and the 520 at a discounted price. Not a true apple to apple comparison. Is the Surface pro 7 worth the $550 difference?
Lenovo 520, $1100 cad, includes pen and keyboard, 8/256 GB, 8th gen i7
Pro: incredible value, includes pen and keyboard, good performance, more money left over for accessories
Con: fan noise, thick bezels, discontinued, dated model, battery life, screen resolution
Surface Pro 7, $1650 cad, pen and keyboard, 8/128 GB, 10th gen i5
Pro: best in class, screen resolution, silent, 10 th gen cpu
Con: price poor value, battery life less than SP6, dated design, pen and keyboard sold separately
SP6 is more worth the money. It still has the quad core which is reasonably powerful. And the price is lower since the SP7 is out.
@@teohyc Thanks for responding. SP6 has no USB c. No modern port is a deal breaker.
@@sitoudien9816 Well, if you use a lot of USB C devices then it may make sense to get SP7 for that port. But for price and value, SP6 is good simply because it so much cheaper now. SP6 i5 256GB is US $800 while SP7 is $400 more. Not having USB C to save $400 makes more sense to me. You can use the saving to get the Surface Pen, maybe even extended warranty.
What's the actual difference between the Miix 520 and the 510? I'm on the verge of buying a 510 for a good deal.
I assume I can buy the Active Pen 2 later if I do not like the plastic against glass with the included Active Pen 1? Or are there replacement nibs for the Pen 1 with softer feel?
Thank you for all your reviews!
520 has two time processing power. It comes bundled with Active Pen 2
Thank you for answering.
I'm looking at the lower spec 510 (i3, 4GB, 128GB). I tried out Sketchbook Pro on my ordinary laptop with an old i5 which should be equivalent in speed to the 6th gen i3 in the Miix 510 and it was super fluid even with large brushes and canvas, so I'm kind of hopeful that the i3 will suffice.
But screen and build quality should be the same 510-520?
Screen and build quality are similar
Thank you, and I'm sorry to be bothering you, it's just rare to find someone who has experience with all these cool art devices.
One last question, if you have the time.
Would you recommend the Miix 510 (i3,4GB,128GB) or the Surface Book 13" (the original 1, not 2, with i5,8gb,128gb) for drawing? Prices would be 320 USD for Miix 510 and 530 USD for Surface Book, so not super big difference in price but still some.
sounds like the Lenovo could do with the thermal paste being redone?
Great review! I'd love you to try the up zbook x2 g4. It looks great! I'd love to hear your thoughts
Hi,
Do we need screen protector(not only for miix 520 and surface pro, but for any 2 in 1 device that supports pen input) if we are using pen intensely or even moderately or lightly??
You don't really need screen protector. The pen tip is plastic against glass so it's not going to scratch. A proper flip case that protects the front is good enough. When wiping, it's best to dust off the screen before wiping in case there are hard dust bits.
3rd. Another useful review. Thanks again, Teoh.
Welcome :-)
The metal touching offset issue has been greatly improved since some recent firmware update, so much that it's almost a non-issue now. The offset was really unbearable before this, so much so that many of us had to use alternative 3rd party pens, and some people are still affected, and the SB2 has it too. Your original SP2017 pen review sadly overlooked this. If reviewers like you reported about this issue earlier, we could have had a fix much earlier, instead of more than a year later.
Btw, it's touching metal while palm rests on screen, that was the issue.
Would you recommend installing an antivirus software for surface pro ?
You can if you want to. There are free antivirus software you can find at Download.com. Actually Windows already has built in antivirus called Windows Defender and firewall already. You may want to read up on Windows Defender and see if it is sufficient for you
Awesome ☺️💕 love your channel
Thanks :-)
In 2019 what would be better for drawing lenovo or sp5?
iPad if you don't really need Windows
@@teohyc thanks for quick reply. If I can find a good deal on eBay w pencil I'll look into it. If it is about the same price for a used surface go or pro 4 or 5.
Very good !! Thank you I am going to Buy a Lenovo !
Hi. I am a developer I use Android studio I use Adobe studio, movie editing, and my project mostly web based and apps. can this laptop run the tools I'd be using ?
It can run but it's should be underpowered by today's standards. More importantly, why not get a laptop? Do you really need to use the stylus?
tq bro
dope!
Thanks! For what i saw, the Lenovo is better. Why u don't change?
I already have the Surface Pro. No point selling and buying again.
The Lenovo lacks pen tilt support, and is also heavier.
M...well i am looking for something for dawing and soft gaming. I travel a lot so i am planing to sell my laptop and other things and just have a device like the Surface. Can someone help me? Greetings from Chile
i might sell my msp13 for one of those
You forgot to mention that the Lenovo lacks pen tilt, unlike the Surface Pro.
Podrías explicar esto por favor
Btw, you can improve battery life and memory usage by using tablet mode in combination with proper WinRT/UWP apps, since they will automatically suspend in the background while switching between apps. This is why we should urge developers to get away from Win32, since it is holding back Windows battery efficiency compared to iPads and Android tablets.
It's also, why I only draw in Sketchable, Sketchbook UWP, and Concepts.
This is also why I recommend using Edge instead of Chrome.
I thought things were supposed to be using standardised charger ports like usb-c, not these horrible proprietary ports.
Hi, I'm wondering, maybe Asus Vivobook Flip 12 can be good drawing?
I can't say since I've not used the Asus before. But those flip type laptops are not that suitable for drawing. Their screens are for finger input only. Does not work well with stylus
The Surface Pro is also significantly lighter than the Lenovo, which is important for tablet usage.
I believe the i5 7300U is also a cuad core processor, all i5 processors are
It's a 2x core 4x thread processor ark.intel.com/products/97472/Intel-Core-i5-7300U-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-3_50-GHz
Also, the Lenovo comes with only Windows 10 Home, while the Surface Pro comes with Windows 10 Pro, which is included in the price.
Soy diseñador grafico y creeme que no ayuda en nada que sea una de la otra. Mil veces me sirve la tecnologia del lapiz. Pero si me gustaria que tuviera un poco mas de bateria la lenovo
I Love Lenovo-. . . . . . That is final . Now I decided Thanks_ guru ... . ....