The British public didn’t support this war. We protested on deaf ears and it went ahead anyway. Politicians need to pay for their crimes! And the bbc need to pay for promoting the war to the public.
Kabul Government cant stand on its own feet because they are so corrupt. Corrupt because of the warlords who became the Kabul government after the 2001 invasion. This warlords start to fill their own pockets of the $120 billion in American government money since 2001 invasion.
The BBC worked along with UK goverment to sell the war as they constantly showed twin towers being hit every 5 mins for several months. When Iraq was there next target the UK goverment needed to give evidence before joining US new war, they had to kill UK top WMD Expert Dr Kelly and made it look like suicide wrist cut in a park, and the BBC and all journalist helped cover an obvious murder of the expert that was gonna give evidence that said there was no WMD in Iraq.
Even if there were an Afghan on the panel, you can guarantee that with the BBC, you would never have anyone explaining the Taliban viewpoint. The Taliban spokesman in Qatar, Suhail Shaheen, seems articulate and well able to argue his corner. People like him would always be excluded by the BBC.
@@azar1354 before the US invasion Afghanistan had finally been united under a single governemnt since the Soviet invasion in 1979. I consider the Nato invasion as snatching away 2 decades of peace from the common Afghan people. The Insurgency has only intensified now it never ended.
@@azar1354 ¿What about the Kandahar masacre conducted by a U.S. soldier?¿What about the daily bombings this nation is conducting daily in cities crowded with civilians in Afghanistan. Remember: afghans are humans too.
Imagine sitting at home with PTSD after doing how ever many tours and seeing your friends blown to pieces? Anyone who supported this pointless occupation bears as much responsibility as the crooked politicians who sent our peers to their deaths. Shame on you and your crocodile tears.
Pointless occupation? Supported? You need to rewind the tape my friend and remember what happened. Everybody is a expert and captain hindsight after events. We wasn't mean't to be going into to another war occupation. It was about taking out the person responsible for 9/11. Osama bin laden and al-qaeda e.g the terrorists. The world was scared if we didn't neutralise the threat possible other attacks could happen. He was the threat. Things got twisted and we ended up fighting the taliban for 20 years. Of course all governments are corrupt and we was lied to about weapons of mass destructive in iraq. That is why chances of going into another war in my lifetime are unlikely to happen soldiers on the ground because of the mess left in afghanistan iraq and syria.
Today, under the banner of socialism, Vietnamese capital is flourishing! Communist Vietnam opens its economy, not like North Korea! They signed a series of FTAs, CPTPP, and Vietnam's socialist model is completely new! The whole world is gawking at what is happening in Vietnam? What magic wand has brought GDP over 500 billion USD in 2020? Our VN will try to have a GDP of 1000 billion USD within 10 years
@@matthewmatthew9485 bin laden has been dead for 10 years. You can make all the excuses you want. Afghanistan and Iraq have to figure things out for themselves now. US/UK intervention is and was a failure.
The fact is that our presence in Afganistan infuriated the afghan people and the Taliban was the ultimate winner. We should have never gone into that country the way we did. We became an invading force. Now let’s pick the ashes.
You are 100000% right. And look at all of these experts totally disconnected with reality and simple fact that attack on Afghanistan was another incompetent illiterate U.S president who tried to cover up for his own failures. Sadly the victims are Afghanistan people. Who will Afghan government rally when they lost control over so much territory? One can't help wondering how all these people, including journalist, can in clear consciousness talk so much nonsense. Ahh… Public inquiry. I can tell them right away. Send evil duo Bush + BLiar to jail.
The Western nations have always invaded nations and still occupy many nations that are under their control while their populations are starved and their nations are completely robbed of their resources under the guise of humanitarian aid, human rights, and democracy. The Afghan people are aware of Western intentions, hence why the Taliban won.
What's the difference between killing terrorists to spread liberalism vs killing infidels to spread religion? Both failed at using reasoning and rational arguments to convince the other side, so they resolve to violence.
@@kylebewley7790 They don't believe Bin Laden did 9/11. In fact in some parts of Pakistan and Afghanistan, they teach in schools that the Mossad and CIA were behind the attack to create an excuse to remove a legitimate Islamic government support by the people. In fact, to this day, Osama bin laden considered a hero who fought the Soviet, built schools and hospitals.
No, the two conflicts only look similar on the surface. I lived SE Asia for more than a decade and while I've not lived in Afghanistan, I have lived in Jordan and Sudan. Having met a number of Afghani people in those countries and learning the ins and outs of the social/political dynamics involved in the both the Afghan and Vietnam conflicts, I can say the two conflicts are VERY different. And what has gone wrong in each has equally been different.
Corrupt Kabul Government and its corrupt officails should be charged with embezzlement of $120 billion of USA govt money in the last 20 years from 2001. Or better yet Taliban should just hanged this corrupt officials. The corrupt Kabul officials have been propped up by the death of thousands of young Americans soldiers since 2001 in Afghanistan and this officials have gotten rich due to they filling their own pockets of that 120 billion dollars
Kabul Government cant stand on its own feet because they are so corrupt. Corrupt because of the warlords who became the Kabul government after the 2001 invasion. This warlords start to fill their own pockets of the $120 billion in American government money since 2001 invasion.
It’s called that because people don’t know history. this is a lie. The Persian, Macedonians, Umayyad Caliphate, the mongols and other conquered and held the territory now known as Afghanistan for centuries.
This is one reason people are tired of so-called “experts”. It reminds me of all the economic “experts” saying that all was peachy one week before the economic meltdown of 2008. The experts never pay any price for their wildly disastrous predictions and policy positions.
We kind of managed to do the worst of all possible worlds. We could have left them to it in 2002 after the Taliban were driven from power and Bin Laden fled into hiding. Various warlords and local figures could then hopefully have formed a power sharing government and some western aid could have helped clean up the country. Special forces could have carried on hunting Bin Laden.. We could have pulled out completely after Bin Laden was killed and accepted that was mission complete. We could have kept the supply of aid and arms going though to help stop a taliban takeover. Or we could have stayed there with just a small force not on the front line, kept up the air support, military advice, special forces operations at a fairly low cost which would probably have kept the taliban back. But staying for 20 years, spending all those trillions and leaving all those weapons fall into taliban hands seems like the worst outcome possible. So many dead soliders and civilians. The two worst mistakes were fighting to support a government that was deeply unpopular and corrupt. The other was after 20 years the Afghan government forces were still not capable of fighting the Taliban off, why? The parraels with Vietnam and the Soviet Afghan war are so obvious.
@@lw3646 well they obviously werent invading to just kill Bin Laden, but to create a proxy govt for their interests in middle east. And it obviously back fired on them. Truly, the true terrorists are the US army, navy and marines. Not the Taliban. And surely they will pay a price for this with great humiliation
The reason being is that the former Western Empires no longer have the capacity nor the will as much as their child, the US does. The US is a continuation of Western imperialism if not of the British Empire. The West only follows the US because they want a portion of the loot.
Nothing went wrong. The “War” wasn’t supposed to be won…merely sustained. War is, and has always been, profitable…especially for the elites and their governments. Greed..is good. - G. Gecko.
Tactical low yield nuclear weapons should be used against dubai Saudi the taliban and is.. Fuck em you want to cut girls clits off and force marriage on them at 13... You want to ban music there should be a nuclear option here...
In Vietnam we also have peace , stability and most importantly we have the fastest growing economy in the world ! we don't want many political parties !we have Myanmar as an example of power struggle and bloodshed ! Poor , lose school , underdeveloped !
"We will be perfectly happy to leave Afghanistan in three years times without firing one shot". Never expect leaving without firing a shot after invading the land of undefeated.
@Ritik PAL who is stopping you? Comeon, send you forces here. We are desperately wating for your troops, and btw you haven't been able to control the kashmiri freedom fighters till now. With all the apartheid, you seriously have the guts to think you can control Afghanistan? 🤔 Dude wake up.
@Ritik PAL 60 thousand Afghan Warriors invaded India with a population of over 30 million and ruled it for over 2 centuries. Careful what you wish for.
“pulled the rug out from underneath the Afghan people.” The Afghan Taliban are Afghan people. The many Afghan people who support the Taliban are Afghan people. Pretending otherwise is what gets Britain drawn into debacles like this.
@@stevecaldwell8740 The English people are British. The Welsh people are British. There are many British people. That fact does not make the English less British. The Afghan Pashtun are Afghan.
Lessons can be learnt and improved upon only if we realise the mistakes. The war on Iraq was based on a flawed theory of weapons of mass destruction. PM Tony Blair put forth a report which was actually a thesis written by a student. UK took to the streets that time against attack on Iraq. Till date the lessons are not learnt. UK can go on accusing USA for an heisty withdrawal from Afghanistan but the fact remains that the goals of the campaign were lopsided and are not met at the end of 20 years of fighting. Lessons are hard to learn especially when we remain in denial of the mistakes and portray our actions as just. The media plays it's own role in portraying the situation as per the wishes of the powers controlling them.
Avganistan is ` graveyard of Empires` . Only one man conquered this teritory That man was Alexnder the Great 2000 + years ago. Everybody know this fact .And when you leave foreign country to finish your inner business what do you expect?
@@jijorassad709 No. It is the mentality which led to the German invasion of Poland, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Greece, USSR ... and to the American attacks on Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Vietnam, Yemen, Cuba, Laos, Peru, Guatemala, Cambodia, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Lebanon, Grenada, Iran, Panama, Bosnia, Sudan, ...
What went wrong in Afghanistan? Why do you still ask this stupid question after 20 years there? Why did NATO follow the US bombed and invaded Afghanistan in the first place?
@yu "Why did NATO follow the US[,] bombed and invaded Afganistan in the first place?" The 9/11 attack on the US led to Article 5 of the NATO charter being invoked: an attack on one member being an attack on all.
I would like to hear people from Afghanistan and taliban also giving their opinion in this interview. I don’t feel comfortable with only hearing the Western view on an Eastern country which has 3 trillion US dollars of untapped resources in their ground. Making it look like the West wants to help the people in Afghanistan, feels like a cover up just to justify all the tax payers money that has been spent since 20 years. There are countries in the world where people live in much worse conditions, where people are literally dying from hunger, why not helping them first ? (BTW Those countries have no resources in their ground)
" I would like to hear people from Afghanistan and taliban also giving their opinion in this interview." Ha! ha! That is not how the media works. It is always one-sided; even the BBC
@@BlueMax333 I agree. As a western living in India, I have no more access into the television apps of my native country. I can tell you from experience, the news we have in the East is completely different and often opposite from the news in the west. It seems like globally we are psychologically manipulated to be against each other. Sometimes I meet people from Iran, Iraq and Kuwait. I always rejoice in that and take out time to ask them questions about their country and history. It is amazing to hear how their experiences are completely different from what the media tells us. In my humble opinion, the west speaks about and acts in Islamic countries like it belongs to them. Modern colonisation I would label it. If certain countries don’t want to follow the western regime, then they should have the right to do that. Leave them alone, living in the way they have been living since centuries. Who are we to go and dictate their life style. Just because we westerners have the possibility and power, that does not mean that we have to dictate other countries. Western thinking and life style is completely different from the East . I think that both should be equally respected. If we cannot live together in peace then better to live separately in peace. I think, because of their different life style, they still do have all those resources available. I rejoice for them. I really do. We In the west, because of our life style, we have consumed almost everything and now we are in trouble. Although, I think that scientifically we have the ability to make a car drive on other resources like water or plant based oils, we have the skills, but of course, in a capitalistic system… it won’t happen. It seems like the problem lies there in.
@@mreynaert9997 I grew up in Kerala before I came to the UK in my early twenties. Have travelled in many countries, including an overland expedition from England to Leh. I still remember the hospitality and help that we received from the Afghans during difficult times. In the last couple of hundred years, the power and the influence of the western countries rose along with their pride and self-righteousness. Their leaders wish to impose it on others. Over the centuries, cultures and ideologies evolved differently in different parts of the world. For me, such diversity is to be experienced and admired.
@@BlueMax333 That was very interesting! Thank you for sharing with the rest of us your personal and honest thoughts.❤️ So, where would you like to live the rest of your life and raise your children? What country of the world would that be? Would you consider living in Afghanistan?
spoken like a true brainless, masochistic hippie. do you in any seriousness think Tony Blair, for all his many faults, is the chief reason for afghan woes? please grow up
@@aajaanipaye6147 not relevant to Afghanistan im afraid. it's all well and good being aware of the faults of western leaders, but if it blinds you to the responsibilities of the Taliban then you condemn the afghan people to a life under their slave rule
General Lord Dannet must have big balls to say TALIBANS will not be in full control of Afghanistan. How's he going to defend that statement in 6 months time?
Everyone said in 2014 that ISIS is on the doorstep of Baghdad. And a significant western military air campaign put an end to that relatively quickly. The only simple thing about Afghanistan is this; no group or organisation has the power to control the whole of Afghanistan. It will always be spread across between the goverment, Taliban and warlords. Majority of whom are anti Taliban. Unless the west is prepared to re engage in Afghanistan in the way we did in Iraq and Syria and provide total air support to Afghan forces but commit to 0 combat troops then we can significantly reduce the Talibans expansion and take back so much of the land that our boys spilt their blood for
I can not believe Rory Stewart still wants to continue Airstrikes after 20 years of doing the same thing!!! Madness. The Afgan government were left out of peace negotiations, what did people expect?
What Afghanistan really needs is a generation of brutal, unjust rule by the Taliban, get their hunger for merciless theocratic oppression out of their system permanently. Maybe then they'll be ready for democracy and civil liberties.
@@GeorgePennellMartin I doubt that would happen.Just look at post communist countries where the ood population are missing the old goverment.People in Afghanistan would just accept their rule.They are too tired after 20 years of fighting.
Funding factions in the Afghan civil war was a mistake. Going there was a mistake. Staying there was a mistake, and now leaving is going to be a mess. People opposed these actions at the time they were made. It doesn't take hindsight to know that the world's most powerful country is consistently making decisions not in line with ending global suffering. Edit: America's first major involvement in the region was against those educating women. It's laughable how this war is justified.
And yet your losses were 6 times as great while we were there twice as long. Now what remains of the Russian military is being badly mauled in Ukraine.
Space. Can't you see the ufo/uap (bs narrative changing again) threat narrative unfolding before your very eyes? It's perfect in that no one can possibly confirm it (that is anyone that can still form an independent thought like "Wouldn't anyone capable of getting here be able to wipe us from existence in a heartbeat?" Those pesky guys are dumbed down and gone now. Eg 50% of students in the UK got A's today. Lol) but yeah, that's the new thing to choke you with just how low and evil the vast majority of our species are. Space friend
@@user-kq5qp6dh8l I don't know if you've been out lately but the world is becoming China with the control measures etc they've no need to "invade" friend so no. They don't have to
@@ottomeyer6928 like I say we are becoming China with the social scores etc and the fact we can't compete economically. What would be served by China coming all the way to the UK,a tiny island with very little natural resources. Just no. And obviously yeah you're right, chine, Russia, America etc, there's a list of people that would have us in a row but don't forget we're a nuclear power so that is also a deterrent that maintains status quo
People never learn from history...open your books and look back 200 years....afghanistan is and always has been a grave yard for troops from any country...
The Taliban IS the Afghan people, just not the Afghan people that agree with us. We can not help those who refuse to help themselves. If the don't want the Taliban taking their country over then they should be able to fight them and win. What is happening is they are not fighting the Taliban, they are laying down their arms and allowing them to take over.
Well that's what the Chinese thought when they let the communist to take reign over them. And yet at that time it's already pretty clear what would be the case for the Chinese people. We may never know the afghan people in their complexity, but certainly another Islamic fundamentalist regime with disastrous economic and social policies are not to be let loose to run a nation.
It doesn't take a brain surgeon to know the Afghan people are behind the Taliban. The Taliban reached power by the help of the people, and Taliban were relevant even after they got completely crushed by the UN coalition, lost leaders, wealth and weapons. Yet, They rose again by the help of the people. If I was an Afghani, I would look at liberalism and see that it drops boombs from the sky and kills civilians. It threatens to "educate" my daughters and sisters. I would think, nevermind, harsh brothers are better than a deceiving enemy.
@@theoathman8188 I am in complete agreement that the Taliban are indeed supported by most if not discreetly all of the afghan people. But perhaps the very least the occupation has eliminated any possibiliy of the Taliban to harbour any terrorist actor in the likes of Bin Laden. I can only wish that the taliban has it's own pragmatic leader who can shield and protect the integrity and sovereignty of the afghani people and yet also look forward for the future. You can still preserve your culture and gear up a competitive economy. Nothing good comes from isolation.
'We never thought we'd slip away in the night like we did at Bagram'. Sorry, but many of us thought exactly this would happen as it had in Cuba, Phnom Penh, Saigon and elsewhere.
@Muhammad Saad I think you forgot THE FACT that its REALITY on the ground which counts. Nonetheless there is no doubt these empires are guilty,but its Afghans who pay the price .
@Muhammad Saad do you know why Americans were fighting British? They were fighting for independence. In Afghanistan its occupation of another state by America. You can't compare them
@@imgoingonamarch in case you missed it, they used. It didn't work, in their own words the used the mother of all bombs many humans died, but not the Taliban.
General Dannant, those are your values and other people have their own values. No matter how you sugar coat it you are speaking for yourself. They are not your slaves.
Please look at a map of Afghanistan and surrounding countries. Then try to figure out why western nations ever thought they could invade it and turn it into a democracy.
Jack Smith nah, 10 years ago the occupation wasn't getting anywhere, but the taliban was still weak. since 2017 or so it's been very clear that afghanistan was being abandoned and handed over to the taliban, when the US negotiated with them with the total exclusion of the afghan government.
@@Ass_of_Amalek American troops peaked due to increased violence 10 years ago. Already 10 years in, most realized it would end up like Vietnam, and it did. Idk where you're from but here in the US, if you weren't deluding yourself with political nonsense, you were almost definitely assuming it was going to be a repeat of Vietnam
Kabul Government cant stand on its own feet because they are so corrupt. Corrupt because of the warlords who became the Kabul government after the 2001 invasion. This warlords start to fill their own pockets of the $120 billion in American government money since 2001 invasion.
There is two aspects to this . 1- NATO got fed up with afghan government officials not getting on with each other for the past 20 yrs . 2- America wants their weapons to be sold ,and if everywhere is in peace then it will have a bad effect on American economy.
Kabul Government cant stand on its own feet because they are so corrupt. Corrupt because of the warlords who became the Kabul government after the 2001 invasion. This warlords start to fill their own pockets of the $120 billion in American government money since 2001 invasion
I’m really loving watching all the hand wringing and finger pointing in the establishment as they act stunned and bewildered as to why their stupid plan didn’t change a single thing.
Love it when a discussion about what went well during an invasion only has people from the invading countries. That right there is what went wrong. Nobody can win in Afghanistan, and we should never have pretended that they could. The war was a pointless sham, and with thousands of our troops and countless Afghan civilians dead we find ourselves in the same position as before the invasion.
In 1839 Britain invaded Afghanistan because they feared Russian influence in the area. Since then I think we can call every single invasion and occupation a disaster.
The American failure in Afghanistan cam, in my opinion, be summed up in a total lack of efforts to stem Afghani government corruption, and contractors.
Nothing to do with the West's politician manipulating billionaire investors in the USAmerican arms market not wanting anything other than a long drawn out maximum profit war then?
To the future RUclips viewer in years to come - this is what western imperialism looked like in 2021. Not a single “real” Afghan on the panel. I’m sure if you asked them, they’d have a different view.
It took over 300 years of Enlightenment, revolutions, and wars as well as millions of lives, limbs, and livelihoods; for Europe and the Americas to become social democracies as they are today. Trying to do that with Afghanistan in merely 20 years is foolhardy. The communist Soviet Union learned this the hard way, now liberal NATO is learning this the hard way.
Nah it only takes a single generation to fix all of these problems but it requires total occupation and control to make it happen, which is a massive geopolitical no go. If we had actually straight up annexed Afghanistan then it would be successful by now but Russia and China would rightfully never allow it.
"Social Democracies They Are Today"??? : ) : ) :) What Planet Do You Live On ? There is not an ounce of Democracy in any of those places, just corrupted politicians that use words like that as they screw the planet.
I've lost count of the times British politicians look back at their failures and utter the immortal words "...far more complex than we ever envisioned." These words can be applied to almost any issue UK government has involved itself with in recent decades - notably, mass immigration and the dogma of Multiculturalism. When Blair's New Labour were in power, we were governed by politicians whose ignorance knew no bounds. The sooner we wake up to understanding this the better off we will be.
Uk gov sold themselves to the zionists since the balfour declaration, theyre in their pockets now, uk will back anything the us envisage; and vice versa
After what happened in 1840 in the retreat from Kabul, the government should have understood the complexities of Afghanistan in trying and utterly failing to force the western system on the Afghani tribal system ..
Nothing went wrong in Afghanistan...in the contrary everything went very well in accordance to the will of the people of Afghanistan...thus stop creating rumours out of nothing...cheerio snowflakes...
@Who Am i the Afghans are surrendering their cities and tons of western equipment that was left to help them defend themselves. the West should’ve just flat conquered that place, they are quite obviously incapable of governing themselves and don’t even have the stomach to defend themselves.
What is went wrong? It is never explained why Britain drew the map of Afghanistan to put many ethics in one by force in made one country that the people don't belong to it. Almost all the problems in the world because of Britain.
SCary to realise that the Afghan people rather prefer the Taliban above an American Western style government? What does that say about how dreadful is so-called western democratic values?
Looking at this interview only a few days later than when it took place, it's shocking how far some of the participants have been out of touch of the reality there. Rory Stewart is the only sane guy there that talked about the topic.
What a "balanced" selection of guests, all support the UK/US government's intervening in Afghanistan, all under the guise of supporting the Afghan people, women or whatever excuse they want to use to legitimize the criminal war against Afghanistan.
Similarly between Indian occupied Kashmir and Pakistan controlled Kashmir and also between Bangladesh and Indian West Bengal.Oh, forgot to mention Indian and Pakistani Punjab! So,the message is very clear,,INDIA WILL BREAK UP!
@Myname Ismyname No it wont.The Pushtoons which have been divided are an individualistic tribal people.They are far from a nation.They have no capacity to unite.Throughout history they have been recruits to any bodies army may they be Alexander/ Darius.Tamerlane/Mehmood of Ghazna/British indian army.So forget it.
Shocking that the former head of the Army of the UK was proudly declaring the Taliban wouldn't be able to capture the country, even as they were rapidly seizing provincial capitals and the Afghan army was collapsing all around us. I really don't know what he was arguing for either, "The UK government needs to give more vocal support?" What difference does that make to the battlefield?
What a black and white version: the millions of "good" afghan people vs the "bad" minority of Taliban tyrants. Isn't history a little bit more complicated than that? Is that the way they teach history in the UK?
And when they are told, "Do not spread corruption on earth," they answer, "We are but improving things!" Al-Baqarah - The Cow - 2:11 (Sura: 2, Verse: 11)
It would be a mistake to simplify Afghanistan into talaban and afghan people. The talaban seems to have enough support from the people to win against the government.
Many lessons in the fall of Afghanistan.. A) Do not depend upon a third party to bring order in your nation. B) Do not blindly trust policies of foreign countries towards your own. They are vulnerable to change, without notice. C) America is not as strong or as much in control as they posture themselves to be. D) God helps those who help themselves
This interview was dreadful…who represented to Afghans point of view ? If the Taliban are so hated in their home land why have they so much support? And if the Americans and their allies are so loved why are the very people who love them attacking them ? The age where self righteous powerful nations force their will on others has gone … go back to your own countries solve your own problems and leave others to their own
The United States spends more on defense than the next 11 countries _combined._ I am ready to put the military-industrial complex on a diet. Source: Peterson Foundation.
There was never any serious British military commitment to Afghanistan. All we did was put down a few bases and patrol their perimeters. The idea that we could militarily control Helmand Province, an area of 58584 square kilometres, with just 4500 troops is laughable.
What went wrong? Everything did. The afghan taliban managed to defeat Nato comprised of western armies with the latest weapons, airforces and training yet they west still got their ass handed to them on a plate.
A Vietnam general, back in the 50's is sitting at a table with a representative of France, negotiating the withdrawel of French troops before they went to war. The general tells him "you'll kill 10 of my soldiers for every one of yours I kill, and I still win this war" How do you defeat that mentality?
I was born into a generation where I was proud of British military victories - over Nazis, Fascists and the Empire of Japan. I was also very proud of our friends in the States, Canada etc. Over the years I stood back in horror at the US and Vietnam - all for nothing. I stood in pride at the Falklands Victory over Argentina. I agreed with removal of Iraqi forces from Kuwait. But the end of the 20th century and the 21st century to date has been shameful. Sure, we had to bring to justice the 9/11, London, Madrid etc terrorists. But there would have been other ways to achieve this than losing so many troops and mass deaths of civilians; and at the same time China has been growing in military power and industrial power, and we've ONLY just noticed!!
Thank you Trump for getting America out of there. And thank you Biden for following through on what the Trump administration did. Rory Stewart blames Biden for his reckless leaving of Afghanistan. Well this agreement was done 6 months ago by the Trump administration. The US wanted out for the last 10 years. So there was a constant push to get the US out of this 20 year war. The Afghan government had all of this time to prepare.
"Thank you Trump for getting America out of there. And thank you Biden for following through on what the Trump administration did." "The US wanted out for the last 10 years." Sounds like Trump needs to thank Obama. Which is the truth by the way. There's no need to keep pathologically defending the annoying mango. We are not going to laugh at you for admitting that Trump was a bit of a prick. Give up.
@@josephkolodziejski6882 Obama left it to congress. So it never came to about. Much of the problem stemmed from the Afghan government pleading for America to stay, appearing on US TV stations, and going to the UN to protest. Trump got fed up, and went behind the Afghan govt back, and made deal directly with Taliban, which was unheard of considering that the Taliban are a terrorist organization. Which angered the Afghans of course. Shockingly, the Biden administration followed through with Trump's agreement. Biden feels the same way that Trump feels, that 20 years is too long for the US to be there. I feel sorry for the people of Kabul though. NATO should keep some troops there to keep that area under control of the west, since the west put some much money and time into the area of Kabul.
About 5% of us troop were in Afghanistan, first of all if the US threw everything they had it would of been over 19 years ago 2nd of all its kinda hard fighting people that look like their civilians, if they were able to kill anyone on sight it woulda been over 19 years ago US troops died trying to help their government who can’t do shit, so don’t make a joke about my country because our soldiers died over there, now it’s time for them to take control of there own country Let me be clear I’d US wanted to whip them out the Us military can along with every country in the Middle East
@@khalidkhan-om8ud I was not talking about who was created first. I said 70 percent of Pashtuns live in Pakistan. Don't change the topic. Even today by Consensus and unanimous decision will create and increase Pakistan's geographical area if you talk of who belongs to whom. It will lead to amalgamation of two nations.
@@khalidamin5594 What topic are you talking about? You started by saying British didnt learn a lesson from first afghan war.What lesson were you expecting them to Learn?
Pretty odd when he get saying we need to be more vocal in our support, what difference would that make to the battlefield? More cheerleading? Then when he started saying the Taliban couldn't capture the whole country even as it was happening before our eyes it really got embarrassing.
Afghanistan war was only about building the TAPI Pipeline. Now that this pipeline has been built and will transport Oil & Gas from the Caspian Sea to Western markets the US troops can leave.
Will not it take a few moments for the Taliban to blow it. However it seems senseless to build a multi million dollar pipe line and leave to terrorist groups.!!!
I didn't realize we went into Afghanistan to save women and girls, let's invade all the countries where women and girls are having a tough time, how about Saudi Arabia next.
@@tonygorilla8928 You can say it was a dump, because they didn't have exactly the same things as in Europe or America, but that's irrelevant. How can any progress or liberalism thrive spontaneously, when 4 major wars occurred in Afghanistan for the past century, all due to foreign interference. The culture is tribalistic and backwards sure, and the point in my comment is that western interventions prevented that from changing. In the 60's/70's, there wasn't any Sharia law. Women in the cities even walked around without hijabs. Britain invaded in the late 19th century and tried to colonize, British elites dictated how Afghans should live without considering their culture or voice, resulting in rebellions. Russia invaded trying to 'support' the communist government, but only worsened the tribalism by encouraging Afghans to fight and kill other Afghans for the sake of communism. This encouraged the brith of extremist warlords (the Mujahideen), who would later brutalize and divide the country between themselves. Then came the Taliban, who were the victims of the Soviet invasion, raised in Pakistani madrasas, ran with Saudi and American money. I won't even bother going into the US invasion, because that didn't even have a war aim until at least two weeks after the initial bombing campaigns started. The culture in Afghanistan was never going to be liberal like in Europe, but the tribalism was worsened and entrenched when constant invasions and fighting is all several generations of Afghans have known.
Interviewing politicians in power.. you'll never get a straight answer or be none the wiser.. but interviewing a shadow sec is a total waste of time.. esp her 🙄
The British public didn’t support this war. We protested on deaf ears and it went ahead anyway. Politicians need to pay for their crimes! And the bbc need to pay for promoting the war to the public.
Yes
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Kabul Government cant stand on its own feet because they are so corrupt.
Corrupt because of the warlords who became the Kabul government after the 2001 invasion.
This warlords start to fill their own pockets of the $120 billion in American government money since 2001 invasion.
The BBC worked along with UK goverment to sell the war as they constantly showed twin towers being hit every 5 mins for several months.
When Iraq was there next target the UK goverment needed to give evidence before joining US new war, they had to kill UK top WMD Expert Dr Kelly and made it look like suicide wrist cut in a park, and the BBC and all journalist helped cover an obvious murder of the expert that was gonna give evidence that said there was no WMD in Iraq.
@@danielleetaylor wow what kind of a democracy is that
This is the problem. Not a single Afghan on this panel. Imperialistic mindset.
Even if there were an Afghan on the panel, you can guarantee that with the BBC, you would never have anyone explaining the Taliban viewpoint. The Taliban spokesman in Qatar, Suhail Shaheen, seems articulate and well able to argue his corner. People like him would always be excluded by the BBC.
@@azar1354 as if the West and their puppets are any better then the Taliban
@@azar1354 before the US invasion Afghanistan had finally been united under a single governemnt since the Soviet invasion in 1979. I consider the Nato invasion as snatching away 2 decades of peace from the common Afghan people. The Insurgency has only intensified now it never ended.
@@azar1354 get out your bubble
@@azar1354
¿What about the Kandahar masacre conducted by a U.S. soldier?¿What about the daily bombings this nation is conducting daily in cities crowded with civilians in Afghanistan. Remember: afghans are humans too.
Imagine sitting at home with PTSD after doing how ever many tours and seeing your friends blown to pieces?
Anyone who supported this pointless occupation bears as much responsibility as the crooked politicians who sent our peers to their deaths.
Shame on you and your crocodile tears.
Now CCP is rising
These guys are ostrich head in ground.
Pointless occupation? Supported? You need to rewind the tape my friend and remember what happened. Everybody is a expert and captain hindsight after events. We wasn't mean't to be going into to another war occupation. It was about taking out the person responsible for 9/11. Osama bin laden and al-qaeda e.g the terrorists. The world was scared if we didn't neutralise the threat possible other attacks could happen. He was the threat. Things got twisted and we ended up fighting the taliban for 20 years. Of course all governments are corrupt and we was lied to about weapons of mass destructive in iraq. That is why chances of going into another war in my lifetime are unlikely to happen soldiers on the ground because of the mess left in afghanistan iraq and syria.
Today, under the banner of socialism, Vietnamese capital is flourishing! Communist Vietnam opens its economy, not like North Korea! They signed a series of FTAs, CPTPP, and Vietnam's socialist model is completely new! The whole world is gawking at what is happening in Vietnam? What magic wand has brought GDP over 500 billion USD in 2020? Our VN will try to have a GDP of 1000 billion USD within 10 years
@@matthewmatthew9485 bin laden has been dead for 10 years. You can make all the excuses you want. Afghanistan and Iraq have to figure things out for themselves now. US/UK intervention is and was a failure.
Sad for Afghan people, and hope peace would come to this land soon.
says a chyneese
The fact is that our presence in Afganistan infuriated the afghan people and the Taliban was the ultimate winner. We should have never gone into that country the way we did. We became an invading force. Now let’s pick the ashes.
You are 100000% right. And look at all of these experts totally disconnected with reality and simple fact that attack on Afghanistan was another incompetent illiterate U.S president who tried to cover up for his own failures. Sadly the victims are Afghanistan people. Who will Afghan government rally when they lost control over so much territory? One can't help wondering how all these people, including journalist, can in clear consciousness talk so much nonsense. Ahh… Public inquiry. I can tell them right away. Send evil duo Bush + BLiar to jail.
The Western nations have always invaded nations and still occupy many nations that are under their control while their populations are starved and their nations are completely robbed of their resources under the guise of humanitarian aid, human rights, and democracy. The Afghan people are aware of Western intentions, hence why the Taliban won.
What's the difference between killing terrorists to spread liberalism vs killing infidels to spread religion?
Both failed at using reasoning and rational arguments to convince the other side, so they resolve to violence.
Right or wrong what’s the alternative? Let Al-Q get away with 9/11? No chance.
@@kylebewley7790 They don't believe Bin Laden did 9/11. In fact in some parts of Pakistan and Afghanistan, they teach in schools that the Mossad and CIA were behind the attack to create an excuse to remove a legitimate Islamic government support by the people. In fact, to this day, Osama bin laden considered a hero who fought the Soviet, built schools and hospitals.
What went wrong in Vietnam? Same answer …
Not even remotely true.
@@D-throne the endings were the same
No, the two conflicts only look similar on the surface. I lived SE Asia for more than a decade and while I've not lived in Afghanistan, I have lived in Jordan and Sudan. Having met a number of Afghani people in those countries and learning the ins and outs of the social/political dynamics involved in the both the Afghan and Vietnam conflicts, I can say the two conflicts are VERY different. And what has gone wrong in each has equally been different.
@@JosephFuller nope. It’s the same. American imperialism.
@@MsColl90 As a broad stroke yes, but when looking into the history, people, cultures and other important details; the two are vibrantly contrasted.
Afghanistan is called the graveyard of empires for a reason
Corrupt Kabul Government and its corrupt officails should be charged with embezzlement of $120 billion of USA govt money in the last 20 years from 2001.
Or better yet Taliban should just hanged this corrupt officials.
The corrupt Kabul officials have been propped up by the death of thousands of young Americans soldiers since 2001 in Afghanistan and this officials have gotten rich due to they filling their own pockets of that 120 billion dollars
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Kabul Government cant stand on its own feet because they are so corrupt.
Corrupt because of the warlords who became the Kabul government after the 2001 invasion.
This warlords start to fill their own pockets of the $120 billion in American government money since 2001 invasion.
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It’s called that because people don’t know history. this is a lie. The Persian, Macedonians, Umayyad Caliphate, the mongols and other conquered and held the territory now known as Afghanistan for centuries.
General Lord Dannatt was so wrong in hindsight this interview makes him sound like a complete fool.
"That will not happen!" A matter of days later it happens....
The whole panel looks like fools now
This is one reason people are tired of so-called “experts”. It reminds me of all the economic “experts” saying that all was peachy one week before the economic meltdown of 2008. The experts never pay any price for their wildly disastrous predictions and policy positions.
listening to Gen Dannatt saying that the Taliban won't be able to overcome the Afghan Army is incredibly naive for a man of his experience
Aged like milk
@@josharnold3450 even opened milk lasts for more than a week. So this aged worse.
It's so worrying that people so blind are considered such experts.
Fire power is nothing compared to the will of the people who want to win the war
The West destabilized an already unstable country and walked away. Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan are some examples.
We kind of managed to do the worst of all possible worlds. We could have left them to it in 2002 after the Taliban were driven from power and Bin Laden fled into hiding. Various warlords and local figures could then hopefully have formed a power sharing government and some western aid could have helped clean up the country. Special forces could have carried on hunting Bin Laden..
We could have pulled out completely after Bin Laden was killed and accepted that was mission complete. We could have kept the supply of aid and arms going though to help stop a taliban takeover.
Or we could have stayed there with just a small force not on the front line, kept up the air support, military advice, special forces operations at a fairly low cost which would probably have kept the taliban back.
But staying for 20 years, spending all those trillions and leaving all those weapons fall into taliban hands seems like the worst outcome possible. So many dead soliders and civilians.
The two worst mistakes were fighting to support a government that was deeply unpopular and corrupt. The other was after 20 years the Afghan government forces were still not capable of fighting the Taliban off, why?
The parraels with Vietnam and the Soviet Afghan war are so obvious.
@@lw3646 well they obviously werent invading to just kill Bin Laden, but to create a proxy govt for their interests in middle east.
And it obviously back fired on them.
Truly, the true terrorists are the US army, navy and marines.
Not the Taliban.
And surely they will pay a price for this with great humiliation
NATO didn't withdraw, the US did and the rest just followed.
US is NATO, just like black hawk down. After gothic serpent the US withdrew, the world followed.
The reason being is that the former Western Empires no longer have the capacity nor the will as much as their child, the US does. The US is a continuation of Western imperialism if not of the British Empire. The West only follows the US because they want a portion of the loot.
@@achillesrodriguezxx3958 US created Nato
Nothing went wrong. The “War” wasn’t supposed to be won…merely sustained. War is, and has always been, profitable…especially for the elites and their governments. Greed..is good. - G. Gecko.
I'm sure military contracts went well but we also spent trillion of dollars in Afghanistan with diminishing returns.
@@TheCurlyW The infrastructure that US built in Afghanistan will be usefull in the future.The game has just begun.How can you say its a waste.
Tactical low yield nuclear weapons should be used against dubai Saudi the taliban and is.. Fuck em you want to cut girls clits off and force marriage on them at 13... You want to ban music there should be a nuclear option here...
Enough !!
How much blood shed women children not just in Afghanistan .
That's why Daniel 2: 44 is coming
In Vietnam we also have peace , stability and most importantly we have the fastest growing economy in the world ! we don't want many political parties !we have Myanmar as an example of power struggle and bloodshed !
Poor , lose school , underdeveloped !
"We will be perfectly happy to leave Afghanistan in three years times without firing one shot".
Never expect leaving without firing a shot after invading the land of undefeated.
Alhamdulillah, never come back or this time we will come back after you inside your land.
@Ritik PAL who is stopping you? Comeon, send you forces here. We are desperately wating for your troops, and btw you haven't been able to control the kashmiri freedom fighters till now. With all the apartheid, you seriously have the guts to think you can control Afghanistan? 🤔 Dude wake up.
@Ritik PAL
60 thousand Afghan Warriors invaded India with a population of over 30 million and ruled it for over 2 centuries.
Careful what you wish for.
@J but the American failed to defeat it. Let that sink in dickhead
“pulled the rug out from underneath the Afghan people.” The Afghan Taliban are Afghan people. The many Afghan people who support the Taliban are Afghan people. Pretending otherwise is what gets Britain drawn into debacles like this.
There are many Afghan people. The Taliban are pashtun.
@@stevecaldwell8740 The English people are British. The Welsh people are British. There are many British people. That fact does not make the English less British. The Afghan Pashtun are Afghan.
Lessons can be learnt and improved upon only if we realise the mistakes. The war on Iraq was based on a flawed theory of weapons of mass destruction. PM Tony Blair put forth a report which was actually a thesis written by a student. UK took to the streets that time against attack on Iraq. Till date the lessons are not learnt. UK can go on accusing USA for an heisty withdrawal from Afghanistan but the fact remains that the goals of the campaign were lopsided and are not met at the end of 20 years of fighting. Lessons are hard to learn especially when we remain in denial of the mistakes and portray our actions as just. The media plays it's own role in portraying the situation as per the wishes of the powers controlling them.
Well said, except the WMD was lies on purpose and not a 'theory'
The invasion plan has been there for a while. The American just waited for find an excuse to invade Iraq.
@Ja Ekh Not even nuclear weapons, but chemical weapons which the USA has
The British went in, stayed, left. The Russians went in, stayed, left. Now the Americans went in, stayed, left. Pattern?
Avganistan is ` graveyard of Empires` . Only one man conquered this teritory That man was Alexnder the Great 2000 + years ago. Everybody know this fact .And when you leave foreign country to finish your inner business what do you expect?
You missed it, the british went In 1839 ish, stayed and ran away.
An hostile Alien force from outer space can easily take over the world- except Afghanistan.
@@livianegidius9772 Alexander never conquered it. He was another foreign occupier who fought Pashtuns and left
@Ja Ekh Alexander didn't conquer but in included the Afghans into his empire via marriage through his wife Roxana.
Mind your own business don’t interfere in other countries and don’t try to impose your culture every where..
That mentality is what lead to pearl harbor
Especially that last part of your comment that’s the most important thing Us and west need to learn
Then why did the taliban protect al qaeda?
@@jijorassad709 No. It is the mentality which led to the German invasion of Poland, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Greece, USSR ... and to the American attacks on Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Vietnam, Yemen, Cuba, Laos, Peru, Guatemala, Cambodia, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Lebanon, Grenada, Iran, Panama, Bosnia, Sudan, ...
What went wrong in Afghanistan? Why do you still ask this stupid question after 20 years there? Why did NATO follow the US bombed and invaded Afghanistan in the first place?
They're doing this for the more ignorant people you condescending ass.
History will not see it kindly
@yu "Why did NATO follow the US[,] bombed and invaded Afganistan in the first place?" The 9/11 attack on the US led to Article 5 of the NATO charter being invoked: an attack on one member being an attack on all.
@@pf12-x6x Excuse me, What has Afghanistan to do with the 9-11 attack?
I would like to hear people from Afghanistan and taliban also giving their opinion in this interview.
I don’t feel comfortable with only hearing the Western view on an Eastern country which has 3 trillion US dollars of untapped resources in their ground.
Making it look like the West wants to help the people in Afghanistan, feels like a cover up just to justify all the tax payers money that has been spent since 20 years.
There are countries in the world where people live in much worse conditions, where people are literally dying from hunger, why not helping them first ? (BTW Those countries have no resources in their ground)
" I would like to hear people from Afghanistan and taliban also giving their opinion in this interview."
Ha! ha! That is not how the media works. It is always one-sided; even the BBC
@@BlueMax333 I agree.
As a western living in India, I have no more access into the television apps of my native country. I can tell you from experience, the news we have in the East is completely different and often opposite from the news in the west. It seems like globally we are psychologically manipulated to be against each other. Sometimes I meet people from Iran, Iraq and Kuwait. I always rejoice in that and take out time to ask them questions about their country and history. It is amazing to hear how their experiences are completely different from what the media tells us.
In my humble opinion, the west speaks about and acts in Islamic countries like it belongs to them. Modern colonisation I would label it.
If certain countries don’t want to follow the western regime, then they should have the right to do that. Leave them alone, living in the way they have been living since centuries. Who are we to go and dictate their life style. Just because we westerners have the possibility and power, that does not mean that we have to dictate other countries.
Western thinking and life style is completely different from the East . I think that both should be equally respected. If we cannot live together in peace then better to live separately in peace.
I think, because of their different life style, they still do have all those resources available. I rejoice for them. I really do.
We In the west, because of our life style, we have consumed almost everything and now we are in trouble. Although, I think that scientifically we have the ability to make a car drive on other resources like water or plant based oils, we have the skills, but of course, in a capitalistic system… it won’t happen. It seems like the problem lies there in.
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I grew up in Kerala before I came to the UK in my early twenties.
Have travelled in many countries, including an overland expedition from England to Leh. I still remember the hospitality and help that we received from the Afghans during difficult times.
In the last couple of hundred years, the power and the influence of the western countries rose along with their pride and self-righteousness. Their leaders wish to impose it on others.
Over the centuries, cultures and ideologies evolved differently in different parts of the world. For me, such diversity is to be experienced and admired.
@@BlueMax333 I fully resonate with your sharing. May you always be well and happy 🙏🏻❤️🌈
@@BlueMax333 That was very interesting! Thank you for sharing with the rest of us your personal and honest thoughts.❤️
So, where would you like to live the rest of your life and raise your children? What country of the world would that be?
Would you consider living in Afghanistan?
What went wrong in Afghanistan? Well....... about 20 years ago we had a prime minister called Tony Blair, the rest writes itself really no?
spoken like a true brainless, masochistic hippie. do you in any seriousness think Tony Blair, for all his many faults, is the chief reason for afghan woes? please grow up
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YES,2nd in Chief,after Bush.
@@CG-or1re he was also the one who had knowledge of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, i hope u know rest of the story
@@naathnaath6377 so where do the Taliban come into the ranking?
@@aajaanipaye6147 not relevant to Afghanistan im afraid. it's all well and good being aware of the faults of western leaders, but if it blinds you to the responsibilities of the Taliban then you condemn the afghan people to a life under their slave rule
General Lord Dannet must have big balls to say TALIBANS will not be in full control of Afghanistan. How's he going to defend that statement in 6 months time?
He just has his statement to defend. Afghans are defending their lives
Like they defending past 20 years 😂😂
Everyone said in 2014 that ISIS is on the doorstep of Baghdad. And a significant western military air campaign put an end to that relatively quickly. The only simple thing about Afghanistan is this; no group or organisation has the power to control the whole of Afghanistan. It will always be spread across between the goverment, Taliban and warlords. Majority of whom are anti Taliban. Unless the west is prepared to re engage in Afghanistan in the way we did in Iraq and Syria and provide total air support to Afghan forces but commit to 0 combat troops then we can significantly reduce the Talibans expansion and take back so much of the land that our boys spilt their blood for
@@hsmxlls Afghanistan is the Taliban and the Taliban is Afghanistan,,YOU HAD BETTER ACCEPT THAT AND FAST!
@@rehansiddiqui2862 that’s your opinion. Just remember what they would do to your mum or your sister if they come back to power
I can not believe Rory Stewart still wants to continue Airstrikes after 20 years of doing the same thing!!!
Madness. The Afgan government were left out of peace negotiations, what did people expect?
What Afghanistan really needs is a generation of brutal, unjust rule by the Taliban, get their hunger for merciless theocratic oppression out of their system permanently. Maybe then they'll be ready for democracy and civil liberties.
Rory Stewart somehow always reminds me that he is either possessed by the ring or just lost it recently. Must be a close relative of Gollum.
"This is what winning looks like" by Ben Aderson
@@GeorgePennellMartin I doubt that would happen.Just look at post communist countries where the ood population are missing the old goverment.People in Afghanistan would just accept their rule.They are too tired after 20 years of fighting.
@@GeorgePennellMartin not everyone wants a democracy. You can’t just force others to accept American ways
Funding factions in the Afghan civil war was a mistake. Going there was a mistake. Staying there was a mistake, and now leaving is going to be a mess. People opposed these actions at the time they were made. It doesn't take hindsight to know that the world's most powerful country is consistently making decisions not in line with ending global suffering.
Edit: America's first major involvement in the region was against those educating women. It's laughable how this war is justified.
And yet your losses were 6 times as great while we were there twice as long. Now what remains of the Russian military is being badly mauled in Ukraine.
I know a frontline uk solider who faced the Taliban:
Conclusion from the frontline:
A very formidable enemy.
Death or glory men
Now the Brits and US looking for another potential conflict adventure.
Space. Can't you see the ufo/uap (bs narrative changing again) threat narrative unfolding before your very eyes? It's perfect in that no one can possibly confirm it (that is anyone that can still form an independent thought like "Wouldn't anyone capable of getting here be able to wipe us from existence in a heartbeat?" Those pesky guys are dumbed down and gone now. Eg 50% of students in the UK got A's today. Lol) but yeah, that's the new thing to choke you with just how low and evil the vast majority of our species are. Space friend
How about China? For an invasion
@@user-kq5qp6dh8l I don't know if you've been out lately but the world is becoming China with the control measures etc they've no need to "invade" friend so no. They don't have to
China? good luck
@@ottomeyer6928 like I say we are becoming China with the social scores etc and the fact we can't compete economically. What would be served by China coming all the way to the UK,a tiny island with very little natural resources. Just no. And obviously yeah you're right, chine, Russia, America etc, there's a list of people that would have us in a row but don't forget we're a nuclear power so that is also a deterrent that maintains status quo
People never learn from history...open your books and look back 200 years....afghanistan is and always has been a grave yard for troops from any country...
That just isn't true.
imagine leaving a comment when you're so uneducated and ignorant to the topic. incredible.
@@fatdaddy1996 It has consistently been true within the last couple of centuries.
The Taliban IS the Afghan people, just not the Afghan people that agree with us.
We can not help those who refuse to help themselves. If the don't want the Taliban taking their country over then they should be able to fight them and win. What is happening is they are not fighting the Taliban, they are laying down their arms and allowing them to take over.
Well that's what the Chinese thought when they let the communist to take reign over them. And yet at that time it's already pretty clear what would be the case for the Chinese people. We may never know the afghan people in their complexity, but certainly another Islamic fundamentalist regime with disastrous economic and social policies are not to be let loose to run a nation.
It doesn't take a brain surgeon to know the Afghan people are behind the Taliban. The Taliban reached power by the help of the people, and Taliban were relevant even after they got completely crushed by the UN coalition, lost leaders, wealth and weapons. Yet, They rose again by the help of the people.
If I was an Afghani, I would look at liberalism and see that it drops boombs from the sky and kills civilians. It threatens to "educate" my daughters and sisters. I would think, nevermind, harsh brothers are better than a deceiving enemy.
@@theoathman8188 I am in complete agreement that the Taliban are indeed supported by most if not discreetly all of the afghan people. But perhaps the very least the occupation has eliminated any possibiliy of the Taliban to harbour any terrorist actor in the likes of Bin Laden. I can only wish that the taliban has it's own pragmatic leader who can shield and protect the integrity and sovereignty of the afghani people and yet also look forward for the future. You can still preserve your culture and gear up a competitive economy. Nothing good comes from isolation.
@@theoathman8188 you are 100% right
Taliban are supported by public.
'We never thought we'd slip away in the night like we did at Bagram'. Sorry, but many of us thought exactly this would happen as it had in Cuba, Phnom Penh, Saigon and elsewhere.
Its true that Afghanistan is called the graveyard of empires ,BUT its Afghans who are filling those graves in millions .
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@Muhammad Saad I think you forgot THE FACT that its REALITY on the ground which counts. Nonetheless there is no doubt these empires are guilty,but its Afghans who pay the price .
@Muhammad Saad do you know why Americans were fighting British?
They were fighting for independence.
In Afghanistan its occupation of another state by America.
You can't compare them
This shouldn't be called 'What went wrong in Afghanistan, it should be called 'What went right in Afghanistan.
Taliban installed with a lot of weapons and infrastructure handed over by Afghan army.Just give an impression that you lost.
Why would anyone ask Lisa Nandy about anything, let alone put her on a panel of experts?
I found her highly articulate, Daniel Linehan.
@@coreycox2345 She has no experience of doing the things she is talking about. She is all gong and no dinner.
@@danmuygallo Well yes. But that is the best response to an invitation that is all gong and no dinner.
You can't impose your will on others even when you use 50 different countries and 150k soldiers with every war hardware imaginable.
Now that's the true lesson learnt.
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Should’ve tried a few H-bombs
@@imgoingonamarch it needs guts to do that, but it's just for show to have one
@@imgoingonamarch in case you missed it, they used. It didn't work, in their own words the used the mother of all bombs many humans died, but not the Taliban.
General Dannant, those are your values and other people have their own values. No matter how you sugar coat it you are speaking for yourself. They are not your slaves.
The question that should be asked is: what went right in Afghanistan?
That is a much more difficult question to answer.
Ill answer ... Nothing
There's a meme out there that says the US spent 18 years and $2.2 trillion to replace the Taliban with... the Taliban.
This aged well
Please look at a map of Afghanistan and surrounding countries. Then try to figure out why western nations ever thought they could invade it and turn it into a democracy.
"What went wrong in Afghanistan"? Simple: USA going there in the first place.
Yeah, the Soviets did just fine!
It started with the russians
@aSky Were you ever a Citizen soldier? Walk the talk before cutting down our country and their efforts.
9/11?
@@edc1569 Afghanistan wasn’t responsible for that
Everyone should watch “Bitter Lake”
by Adam Curtis , this documentary, predicted exactly this !!!!!!!
Everyone predicted it like 10 years ago
Well said 👍
Jack Smith nah, 10 years ago the occupation wasn't getting anywhere, but the taliban was still weak. since 2017 or so it's been very clear that afghanistan was being abandoned and handed over to the taliban, when the US negotiated with them with the total exclusion of the afghan government.
@@Ass_of_Amalek American troops peaked due to increased violence 10 years ago. Already 10 years in, most realized it would end up like Vietnam, and it did. Idk where you're from but here in the US, if you weren't deluding yourself with political nonsense, you were almost definitely assuming it was going to be a repeat of Vietnam
Kabul Government cant stand on its own feet because they are so corrupt.
Corrupt because of the warlords who became the Kabul government after the 2001 invasion.
This warlords start to fill their own pockets of the $120 billion in American government money since 2001 invasion.
Man these people are completely delusional!
ITS OVER! deal with it!
There is two aspects to this .
1- NATO got fed up with afghan government officials not getting on with each other for the past 20 yrs .
2- America wants their weapons to be sold ,and if everywhere is in peace then it will have a bad effect on American economy.
What went wrong, well first mistake was going there to being with.
Kabul Government cant stand on its own feet because they are so corrupt.
Corrupt because of the warlords who became the Kabul government after the 2001 invasion.
This warlords start to fill their own pockets of the $120 billion in American government money since 2001 invasion
@@zachariasemet2433 it one trillion
Yes absolutely
There is always someone left to fight.
Marcus Aurelius.
Yeah but its only the Taliban that want to fight. Afghan forces are running accross the border at every opportunity available...
Enough people have died in afghanistan there needs to be a political settlement not airstrikes
Political settlement essentially means Taliban rule, the present violence proves that.
I’m really loving watching all the hand wringing and finger pointing in the establishment as they act stunned and bewildered as to why their stupid plan didn’t change a single thing.
Love it when a discussion about what went well during an invasion only has people from the invading countries. That right there is what went wrong. Nobody can win in Afghanistan, and we should never have pretended that they could. The war was a pointless sham, and with thousands of our troops and countless Afghan civilians dead we find ourselves in the same position as before the invasion.
The most sane comment here.
In 1839 Britain invaded Afghanistan because they feared Russian influence in the area. Since then I think we can call every single invasion and occupation a disaster.
Close to my house in Kandahar. Afghanistan. there was a British soldiers graveyard. In 1991. peoples turn it to houses
The American failure in Afghanistan cam, in my opinion, be summed up in a total lack of efforts to stem Afghani government corruption, and contractors.
They were just following the American model. Keep the maggots poor as dirt and let the rich rise to monarch levels of power
Nothing to do with the West's politician manipulating billionaire investors in the USAmerican arms market not wanting anything other than a long drawn out maximum profit war then?
@@public.public That's why I wrote of contractors.
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$1000 Marker cup for US Army in Afghanistan is legendary corruption
Rambo 3. That's what went wrong. The US government should've watched the movie before the Afghan invasion.
lol, best comment in this comments section.
The US Government funded the "mujahideen" / holy warriors back then
"Who are you?"
"Your worst nightmare!"
To the future RUclips viewer in years to come - this is what western imperialism looked like in 2021.
Not a single “real” Afghan on the panel. I’m sure if you asked them, they’d have a different view.
They would indeed.
The only victim of this bloody war.
Innocent Afghan People....
It took over 300 years of Enlightenment, revolutions, and wars as well as millions of lives, limbs, and livelihoods; for Europe and the Americas to become social democracies as they are today. Trying to do that with Afghanistan in merely 20 years is foolhardy. The communist Soviet Union learned this the hard way, now liberal NATO is learning this the hard way.
This ^
Imagine trying to inject wokeness into a conservative society by force. The arrogance
Nah it only takes a single generation to fix all of these problems but it requires total occupation and control to make it happen, which is a massive geopolitical no go. If we had actually straight up annexed Afghanistan then it would be successful by now but Russia and China would rightfully never allow it.
@@hippogaming5022 annexation does not work either. the british empire found out the hard way.
"Social Democracies They Are Today"??? : ) : ) :) What Planet Do You Live On ? There is not an ounce of Democracy in any of those places, just corrupted politicians that use words like that as they screw the planet.
At last, a voice of sense and reason - Rory Stewart. If only he was listened to years ago, if only, if only..... 😢😢😢
I've lost count of the times British politicians look back at their failures and utter the immortal words "...far more complex than we ever envisioned." These words can be applied to almost any issue UK government has involved itself with in recent decades - notably, mass immigration and the dogma of Multiculturalism. When Blair's New Labour were in power, we were governed by politicians whose ignorance knew no bounds. The sooner we wake up to understanding this the better off we will be.
Uk gov sold themselves to the zionists since the balfour declaration, theyre in their pockets now, uk will back anything the us envisage; and vice versa
Those words are exactly what is taught at these politic university, where these politicians come off these assembly line like "oven baked ready"
After what happened in 1840 in the retreat from Kabul, the government should have understood the complexities of Afghanistan in trying and utterly failing to force the western system on the Afghani tribal system ..
Islam is the truth.
Invading in the first place rather than going after the Saudis. That’s what went wrong.
19 of 15 were soudies yet its all Iran Iraq blah blah
Nothing went wrong in Afghanistan...in the contrary everything went very well in accordance to the will of the people of Afghanistan...thus stop creating rumours out of nothing...cheerio snowflakes...
The will?
What went wrong in Afghanistan? Washingtonians took the wrong advice. They listened to themselves. Thus they lost.
It's a failed state what did they expect to happen no wonder 80% of the country wants sharia ie a form of stability
@Who Am i the Afghans are surrendering their cities and tons of western equipment that was left to help them defend themselves.
the West should’ve just flat conquered that place, they are quite obviously incapable of governing themselves and don’t even have the stomach to defend themselves.
What is went wrong? It is never explained why Britain drew the map of Afghanistan to put many ethics in one by force in made one country that the people don't belong to it. Almost all the problems in the world because of Britain.
Insult a people's culture, you will get trouble.
Wow. This did not age well.
too much shock and awe, not enough hearts and minds?
Never trust politician’s!!!
Or the BBC
Who did you vote for?
SCary to realise that the Afghan people rather prefer the Taliban above an American Western style government? What does that say about how dreadful is so-called western democratic values?
At least there inclusivity is now a bigger priority in Afghanistan!
In a single word:Everything!
Plenty of blame to go round....
Looking at this interview only a few days later than when it took place, it's shocking how far some of the participants have been out of touch of the reality there. Rory Stewart is the only sane guy there that talked about the topic.
Lord Dannet is in cuckoo land, if 20 years and 150,000 troops couldn't help, what makes him think support now will make a difference!
What a "balanced" selection of guests, all support the UK/US government's intervening in Afghanistan, all under the guise of supporting the Afghan people, women or whatever excuse they want to use to legitimize the criminal war against Afghanistan.
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The Durand Line, it divides members of the same ethnicity into two (30 million in Pakistan and 15 million in Afghanistan).
Pakistan put 13F from Afghanistan and 11F long fence along 2600 kilometers border so nobody can come inside or outside
Similarly between Indian occupied Kashmir and Pakistan controlled Kashmir and also between Bangladesh and Indian West Bengal.Oh, forgot to mention Indian and Pakistani Punjab! So,the message is very clear,,INDIA WILL BREAK UP!
What about it. Indonesia to Iran the region is full of multi ethnic states.
@@rehansiddiqui2862 but why we hide the role of So called Great Britian.
@Myname Ismyname No it wont.The Pushtoons which have been divided are an individualistic tribal people.They are far from a nation.They have no capacity to unite.Throughout history they have been recruits to any bodies army may they be Alexander/ Darius.Tamerlane/Mehmood of Ghazna/British indian army.So forget it.
"thIS iS nOw A bATtlE oF wILLs" says man unaware people die when they are shot
yep... the two aren't mutually exclusive.
Shocking that the former head of the Army of the UK was proudly declaring the Taliban wouldn't be able to capture the country, even as they were rapidly seizing provincial capitals and the Afghan army was collapsing all around us.
I really don't know what he was arguing for either, "The UK government needs to give more vocal support?" What difference does that make to the battlefield?
What a black and white version: the millions of "good" afghan people vs the "bad" minority of Taliban tyrants. Isn't history a little bit more complicated than that? Is that the way they teach history in the UK?
And when they are told, "Do not spread corruption on earth," they answer, "We are but improving things!"
Al-Baqarah - The Cow - 2:11 (Sura: 2, Verse: 11)
It would be a mistake to simplify Afghanistan into talaban and afghan people. The talaban seems to have enough support from the people to win against the government.
Yes that General is an idiot
Also afghan people should not be confused with the aghan government
Many lessons in the fall of Afghanistan..
A) Do not depend upon a third party to bring order in your nation.
B) Do not blindly trust policies of foreign countries towards your own. They are vulnerable to change, without notice.
C) America is not as strong or as much in control as they posture themselves to be.
D) God helps those who help themselves
Can't agree more
What went wrong in afganistan ?
EVERYTHING.
This interview was dreadful…who represented to Afghans point of view ? If the Taliban are so hated in their home land why have they so much support? And if the Americans and their allies are so loved why are the very people who love them attacking them ? The age where self righteous powerful nations force their will on others has gone … go back to your own countries solve your own problems and leave others to their own
The United States spends more on defense than the next 11 countries _combined._ I am ready to put the military-industrial complex on a diet. Source: Peterson Foundation.
The US spends $0 on defense....just look at the Mexican border.
There was never any serious British military commitment to Afghanistan. All we did was put down a few bases and patrol their perimeters. The idea that we could militarily control Helmand Province, an area of 58584 square kilometres, with just 4500 troops is laughable.
Excellent analysis by Col.Christopger Kolenda 👍👍👍
What went wrong? Everything did. The afghan taliban managed to defeat Nato comprised of western armies with the latest weapons, airforces and training yet they west still got their ass handed to them on a plate.
General Dannatt was staggering off the mark there....
I know, shocking how poorly he read this situation as the Taliban were rapidly capturing the country and the Afghan forces were being overrun.
A Vietnam general, back in the 50's is sitting at a table with a representative of France, negotiating the withdrawel of French troops before they went to war.
The general tells him "you'll kill 10 of my soldiers for every one of yours I kill, and I still win this war"
How do you defeat that mentality?
I was born into a generation where I was proud of British military victories - over Nazis, Fascists and the Empire of Japan. I was also very proud of our friends in the States, Canada etc. Over the years I stood back in horror at the US and Vietnam - all for nothing. I stood in pride at the Falklands Victory over Argentina. I agreed with removal of Iraqi forces from Kuwait. But the end of the 20th century and the 21st century to date has been shameful. Sure, we had to bring to justice the 9/11, London, Madrid etc terrorists. But there would have been other ways to achieve this than losing so many troops and mass deaths of civilians; and at the same time China has been growing in military power and industrial power, and we've ONLY just noticed!!
Rory Stewart hit the nail on the head. We just pulled the rug out needlessly.
What did the rug achieve in 20 years besides gathering dust??
Pulled the rug out from beneath a corrupt regime that wouldn't have lasted five seconds without 'Western' patronage and military support, yes.
The rug ran away under the dark of the night that too the biggest base of bagram as one person said
This didn't age well
Thank you Trump for getting America out of there. And thank you Biden for following through on what the Trump administration did. Rory Stewart blames Biden for his reckless leaving of Afghanistan. Well this agreement was done 6 months ago by the Trump administration. The US wanted out for the last 10 years. So there was a constant push to get the US out of this 20 year war. The Afghan government had all of this time to prepare.
"Thank you Trump for getting America out of there. And thank you Biden for following through on what the Trump administration did."
"The US wanted out for the last 10 years."
Sounds like Trump needs to thank Obama.
Which is the truth by the way. There's no need to keep pathologically defending the annoying mango. We are not going to laugh at you for admitting that Trump was a bit of a prick. Give up.
@@josephkolodziejski6882 Obama left it to congress. So it never came to about. Much of the problem stemmed from the Afghan government pleading for America to stay, appearing on US TV stations, and going to the UN to protest. Trump got fed up, and went behind the Afghan govt back, and made deal directly with Taliban, which was unheard of considering that the Taliban are a terrorist organization. Which angered the Afghans of course. Shockingly, the Biden administration followed through with Trump's agreement. Biden feels the same way that Trump feels, that 20 years is too long for the US to be there. I feel sorry for the people of Kabul though. NATO should keep some troops there to keep that area under control of the west, since the west put some much money and time into the area of Kabul.
@@LifeProducersofNewJerseyLLC Well explained thank you.
The shadow secretary doesn’t know US said we haven’t been in Afghanistan to secure it.
If only Western regimes sought advice from the Russians.
hahaha. because russia didn't do the exact same thing... no no.... lol.
@@anyaisakova112 A Russian General said, ' how do you fight people who see paradise at the end of a gun '.
Russia..you are joking...
What went wrong in Afghan? US invaded the wrong country for 9/11…
Vietnam: we should learn lesson
Afghanistan: we have learnt lesson
Iraq: we have to unlearn and relearn
About 5% of us troop were in Afghanistan, first of all if the US threw everything they had it would of been over 19 years ago
2nd of all its kinda hard fighting people that look like their civilians, if they were able to kill anyone on sight it woulda been over 19 years ago
US troops died trying to help their government who can’t do shit, so don’t make a joke about my country because our soldiers died over there, now it’s time for them to take control of there own country
Let me be clear I’d US wanted to whip them out the Us military can along with every country in the Middle East
British never learnt the lesson in first Anglo Afghan war.
They did.They imposed the durand line and finished the Afgan empire forever.
@@khalidkhan-om8ud Afghan Empire? It's Nationalism/ Chauvinism/Jingoism. Colonial terminology. Move on! 70 percent Pashtuns live in Pakistan, 30 percent in Afghanistan.
@@khalidamin5594 The Afghan empire was established in 1747 which is a historical fact, Pakistan came about 200 years later.
@@khalidkhan-om8ud I was not talking about who was created first. I said 70 percent of Pashtuns live in Pakistan. Don't change the topic. Even today by Consensus and unanimous decision will create and increase Pakistan's geographical area if you talk of who belongs to whom. It will lead to amalgamation of two nations.
@@khalidamin5594 What topic are you talking about? You started by saying British didnt learn a lesson from first afghan war.What lesson were
you expecting them to Learn?
Lol that old general doesn't has a clue what's up or down
Pretty odd when he get saying we need to be more vocal in our support, what difference would that make to the battlefield? More cheerleading?
Then when he started saying the Taliban couldn't capture the whole country even as it was happening before our eyes it really got embarrassing.
Afghanistan war was only about building the TAPI Pipeline.
Now that this pipeline has been built and will transport Oil & Gas from the Caspian Sea to Western markets the US troops can leave.
So dark
Will not it take a few moments for the Taliban to blow it. However it seems senseless to build a multi million dollar pipe line and leave to terrorist groups.!!!
And with western markets you mean India?
@@ChrisTian-yw7jc When did India become western )) LOL
@@hprincely Well, since the pipeline goes from Turkmenistan to India...
well this hits differently now... Rory Stewart actually sounds optimistic
What a difference a week makes. Lord Dannet - couldn’t have been more wrong.
He was suffering from wishful thinking it looks like...
I didn't realize we went into Afghanistan to save women and girls, let's invade all the countries where women and girls are having a tough time, how about Saudi Arabia next.
Lmao you just proved hypocrisy of US
Short answer, 120 years of foreign intervention from Britain, Russia, and USA.
Afghanistan was always a dump. Tribalism and religion plays a much more important role in this mess than foreign interventionism.
@@tonygorilla8928 You can say it was a dump, because they didn't have exactly the same things as in Europe or America, but that's irrelevant. How can any progress or liberalism thrive spontaneously, when 4 major wars occurred in Afghanistan for the past century, all due to foreign interference. The culture is tribalistic and backwards sure, and the point in my comment is that western interventions prevented that from changing. In the 60's/70's, there wasn't any Sharia law. Women in the cities even walked around without hijabs. Britain invaded in the late 19th century and tried to colonize, British elites dictated how Afghans should live without considering their culture or voice, resulting in rebellions. Russia invaded trying to 'support' the communist government, but only worsened the tribalism by encouraging Afghans to fight and kill other Afghans for the sake of communism. This encouraged the brith of extremist warlords (the Mujahideen), who would later brutalize and divide the country between themselves. Then came the Taliban, who were the victims of the Soviet invasion, raised in Pakistani madrasas, ran with Saudi and American money. I won't even bother going into the US invasion, because that didn't even have a war aim until at least two weeks after the initial bombing campaigns started. The culture in Afghanistan was never going to be liberal like in Europe, but the tribalism was worsened and entrenched when constant invasions and fighting is all several generations of Afghans have known.
@@КнязХанибал Islam is the truth.
@@johnnydeclanbarnes116 Care to elaborate?
@@КнязХанибал Islam is the truth that's why they won, eschatology, prophecy
Interviewing politicians in power.. you'll never get a straight answer or be none the wiser.. but interviewing a shadow sec is a total waste of time.. esp her 🙄
A simple 20 year warning. Never try another 9/11 again.
What went wrong in Afghanistan? Mind your own business, not other people's!