Not everyone at Discord hates their job. Tons of people are in a good position with a good team. But there will be people that have very negative experiences as shown in the video. Don't harass Discord Staff about whether or not they hate their job. It's annoying.
life is never all this comfortable and shiny and convenient you people cry too much on the Internet don't like the job? fucking clench your balls, leave, and work your ass off somewhere else. and i don't get this "can't afford to leave [the job]" expression. you want good money? be ready for burnouts and a ton of stress. can't take this stress? don't even apply for such job, you are not ready for it. and all the above is the direct consequences of your beloved capitalism.
honestly i just hate how these idiot managers come into a company and made it mega corporate and destroy EVERYONE'S opinions on the company + the company itself
@@crafterrium8724google proposal about trying to drm the web,youtube blocking adblockers (which are practically required to not get viruses at this point,its not even funny anymore)are examples
I hate how everything is becoming mega corporate lately. Everything I once loved for not being managed by a soulless corporation is now starting to stop caring about literally everything other than maximizing their profits by all means possible
Fun little worktips for everyone; 1. If they're always hiring, they're always firing. 2. HR is not there to protect you, they're there to protect the company. 3. Talking about your salaries to other co-workers ISN'T illegal, whenever a company says it's illegal, they're hiding shit. 4. You can quit without giving notice. ("Despite work etiquette and standards, no laws require employees to give any notice whatsoever - let alone two weeks - before quitting. While breached contracts may impact compensation or trigger a lawsuit, there aren't any legal protections for employers when employees decide to leave." ~ Business News Daily) 5. Always join a Work Union. Many corporations are going Anti-Union in order to exploit workers. 6. You are not built to work, your personal life comes first always.
I don't know any bad discord servers? I am a weeb, and all the anime or more niche things like Danmei (Chinese BL novels, I am bi and a fanboy) servers I've been in are super fun and positive! Then again, I've only ever used it for DM's with friends, server for biggest Dutch anime convention animecon, some virtual convention's server, danmei server, etc. I don't know how any servers outside of fandom are. Or maybe I've just been lucky. But all the ones I am in are nice and positive and friendly with good vibes. So, I'll happily keep using it :3 Also because 99% of everyone at any con you go to will of course have discord or maybe insta as default social, and I like making friends and being able to keep talking to them after the convention LMAO
@@ukeyaoitrash2618big gaming discords have mods that say some really gay shit or smth but they ban ppl for existing i got banned from the terraria discord for someone shit talking and i said "im autistic, so what?" and i got perma banned for hate speech game discords are all shit places to be, have a arguement with someone? you get banned even if you didnt start it, just because you said "cunt" somewhere someone inspect elemented me saying the N word and got me banned for racism from like 4 discords, i appealed and they just said no, even though i have proof that i NEVER talked to the guy and that guy sent me messages
@@ukeyaoitrash2618 Agree. I'm a fatfur, have interest in some old niche games and some other stuff that's not really too obvious. I have some good friends there and people I just really enjoy talking to every now and then. Almost all the servers I'm in are fairly positive and the platform is pretty great, though it obviously has it's bas sides, like really any other platform and there's things that sucks about it but like.. Other than that? Nah, Discord is pretty cool. Oh, maybe also outside of horribly outdated support thanks to which I lost an entire account locked up with 2FA without recovery codes BUT with all proof required that I own the account, like I know password, I have constant access to my email attached to the account, same with phone number, literally everything else like that. I'm suuree that's noothing though! It's not like they don't care at all! :D
I remember when updates were nice and exciting (I even kept around that one server of mine that randomly got video chat enabled in it like 5 years ago or something) and discord was something I was proud to promote (this was before I started caring about free software & co, of course). Then they out of the blue banned my account, after I was a loyal and hardcore user who even reported bugs to them and suggested improvements! I now have to use discord for some things, but I use it exclusively on my phone on an alpha version from 2 years ago that still works damn, and doesn't have the horrible UI it got when I updated it once to see what was new; it's genuinely better than the newer versions while being ALPHA and years old (the only thing that sucks about it is I can't update my "About Me" because it's from before that functionality was added in, so I can see it and cringe at it but not change it. Also my status sometimes doesn't seem to actually load after opening the app sometimes, until I go to the status editor). I just hope I won't have to update when their horrible removal of discriminators finally comes around to me (pretty much my entire DM list at this point is lowercase#0000s, even accounts newer than mine, so I think I am excluded from the update as long as I don't log in on a newer client, until they manually force it to happen). Now I see their banning of wrongthink and all the other stupid things they're doing, and I gotta say, if you unironically use discord by choice in 2023, there's something wrong with you.
And they're still sitting there thinking the removal of discriminators is widely accepted by the userbase, as well as the stupid microphone button they somehow think was a smash hit of an idea. I've probably seen voice messages used like twice... we're all waiting to be able to remove it. But hey it's ok we have P2W reactions now, whoopee! I swear these ideas are created by 1 guy and it's final immediately.
6:11 Zach is actually the guy from almost every single old Discord commercial. He's the guy voicing all of them. If anyone was the "face of the brand", it should be him. Go look back at when he first quit and see the amount of people complaining that he's not in the ads anymore.
I don't agree. Having a growth mindset is exactly the opposite of what is described here: reviewing ideas together and constantly working on ways to improve. The word may get misused, but its primary meaning is good - constantly trying to improve.
@@arrly The concept itself is nice, but can be easily exploited. Any criticism or reporting of behavior can be twisted into you just not having a “growth mindset”.
@@Zappr You would be surprised how great these companies are often to work at. I've 100% found more corporate companies better than smaller companies, and often the bigger companies have the bigger growth mindset. Look at the glass door reviews for Meta, Google & Apple, they are seen as some of the best places to work. Just look at some of the 'Day in the life of Google employee videos' - it's insane.
@@3_pancakes767 But that is not what is happening here right. Basically all the reviews say that they love the pay. These companies often only hire the best of the best and they get compensated very well. They get much higher pay on average, this is because even though these massive corporations have over 100K employees, the proportion of the profits (salary) that go to the employees is still really small. Personally I love corporate jobs, more secure, better benefits & better pay.
> Everyone is burnt out and most of my IC colleagues scheduled 1:1s on the calendar specifically to spend time CRYING with each other. I personally experienced HAIR LOSS from the stress that was building up. Holy...
@@drm.himself America is the extreme example of capitalism failing. I'm in germany and it's not that bad here, but I don't know if it just takes longer for us to get to that point
The unlimited sick time is a con because there’s no such thing as unlimited sick time. Instead it’s that the more sick time you take, the more they hold it against you. So in practice, at places with unlimited sick time, people take less of it, and managers form toxic attitudes around employee sick time.
Similarly with unlimited vacation time - it usually means "we haven't actually planned for how much vacation time people are going to take" and ends up meaning that if you take a week off from work, you'll need to spend the next two weeks working twice as hard to catch up.
@@fluffycritter Also, having no limit to PTO means there's no "use it or lose it" to consider hence people often just don't take any PTO in the first place. And you bet it's "unlimited" until you try and take what someone else considers too much. We'll see what happens then, shall we? It's absolutely dumb and here in the UK it's been quietly and unceremoniously dumped by pretty much every organisation that tried it. it's not workable.
@@halfbakedproductions7887 unfortunately most states in the US also don't require employers to pay out accrued PTO when an employee leaves, so that's kind of a non-argument for the most part. Some employers are "kind" enough to pay it out anyway, though.
I'm sure someone pointed it out already. But actually unlimited sick days is a downside depending on the company. It's a psychological tool used by some companies to guilt trip employees into taking fewer sick days than they should. There is a proper way to do unlimited sick days, but for some reason I doubt discord is doing that
@@BrainletReviews and the waiter comes up behind you after every plate and reminds you that now there's less food for everyone else, you greedy bastard. And then they kick you out after 3 refills
Let this be a lesson to services like this out there: DO NOT GO CORPORATE. You might as well incinerate all morality you have left in the fire if you take a fat check when a company wants your service.
The thing that worries me most about this toxic work culture is that it's very obviously leading to negative effects on Discord as a whole, like corporate-fueled changes that make no sense or feel highly unnecessary (i.e. the username change, the Trust & Safety team being useless in general). It's effectively making the platform worse and it's making me wonder if there's another land of videogame and art servers I should consider jumping ship to in the next couple years.
This has to be the most truthful and honest reviews I ever saw. feeling great after discord banned my account for the wrong reason and after making a 200 word essay about exactaly what i was doing. i got a responce from a bot "we will not reinstate your account", to put is softly, I dislike discord for this reason, apperantly this happened to 5 people that were with me at the time and all got this reponce, the reason behind this is that we were working on a website and we were working out the registrar for the website and we kept posting phone numbers and ips in the chat all that belonged to servers that we own, and apperantly after testing things in vmware we got banned for "hacking", you yourself can test this theory by making a discord account and posting random ips and addresses and phone numbers and chat, and then report them to discord (you can't anymore because they removed the trust and safety option), you will get banned and you will never get your account back LIKE EVER!
I wouldn't recommend trying that out. Discord is also has history of automatically banning every other account that has logged in from the same IP/device, if they delete one.
This does explain a lot. Good reminder though, that whenever a product (or an update) gets forced through thats lukewarm or just plain bad, at a big company its almost always management’s fault for forcing it. The poor people stuck building the stupidity do not deserve your ire, they are literally just people.
The funny thing is, you can tell when they hired FAANG managers, the entire platform vibe changed & these big sweeping changes started to be put in motion. HR is not your friend, in any company.
simple, discord wants to be in FAANG so they begin to function like them and hire people from FAANG to obtain the same result. It's a dream for FAANG managers, they're switching to a younger company, a name who hasn't got dirt on it yet, something hip and cool, and they'll keep applying the same method to generate profit, sacrificing their workforce for more benefit, as is the FAANG norm, just like doing extra hours and work on the weekend has become a norm
"Unlimited sick days" can be a negative, depending on how management handles it. When you have limited PTO, it accrues in a measurable amount that you can see on your pay stub every two weeks, and you tend to have less resistance to using it because you have actually earned it and have a "right" to it. And, when you leave the company, you can often get paid for any PTO you earned but didn't take. However, if you have "unlimited", it basically means you don't "earn" anything, and so you have no "right" to that time. Good management won't care as much how many days you take off if you're getting work done; bad management will track every day you ask for, require you to justify it with personal, none-of-their-business information to prove you "need" it, and deny it if you use "too much" (which could be less than you might have earned under a traditional system). And, of course, when you leave the company, they owe you nothing. (Your mileage may vary; I've worked plenty of jobs where I've had no issues using "unlimited" PTO, and jobs where management was a nightmare getting access to accrued PTO.)
my dad's job recently switched to an unlimited sick days policy and he was annoyed with the policy change.. as someone who knows nothing about business and all that stuff i was confused on why my dad was upset with the whole change.. but now i know why lol
Man, I can’t thank you for saving my career choices, I was so close to joining discords company to work there, but thank you for doing to big boi research.
Basically, look at the politics of the company. I hate to say it, but if they offer any "gender affirming care" or anything LGBT related then it's going to be a toxic unhealthy cesspit to work at and will 100% run you into the ground. I have been in IT for a long time, and the best jobs I've had were ones that did not partake in the political virtue signaling.
@@Itsjustayrs Except companies with that virtue signaling active never actually help workers in need; case in point literally this video and the subject of it. It's just a draw that they use to exploit you even more. If you can't see through the virtue signal BS I can't help you.
@@antikommunistischaktion Yeah I have a feeling that we have very different political opinions but I've got to agree here, only providing those benefits to trans employees is a huge red flag, if you only support minorities when it's popular to do so then you aren't an inclusive employer, you're just virtue signalling. Like what benefits do they have for other groups that are often discriminated against when they're looking for work? Do older, pregnant or disabled people also get benefits when it comes to healthcare? Do parents, especially single parents, get any extra considerations? Probably not lol.
Makes sense, discord as a company is just a massive discord server where the admins have egos the size of the Sun and will ban anyone who doesn't cave to their demands
If we can't directly fix it, the best we can do is make it more tolerable. Everyone, whenever you are in contact with the discord team, like customer support, please leave nice messages for them. Its a little bit of effort, but it goes a long way. Lets put smiles on these faces in places where all they want to do is cry. Let's be the light of this anti-life world.
Now guys, with this explained, keep in mind discord is no more than just another social media. You'll never know when or if discord will get a "Twitter ---> X" treatment. Discord can get better, it can also get way worse. If you've made any special connection with someone, if you've made good friends on the platform, make sure to have a way of contacting them outside of it.
4:07 Interesting about the "doesn't know how to use periods" thing. The dude saying "unlimited sick days" that you highlighted earlier had the same problem.
For people who haven't worked at FANNG, it's at least 10x more toxic than the current Discord. The managers who came over from FANNG? Those are just the tip of the iceberg. The best managers will take your work and present it as "our" work. The good managers will leave you alone and only ping you when things are on fire. The bad managers, who just got wiped out in the layoffs, are the ones who boss around wasting everyone's time.
3:08 If my boss told me this i would scare the sh*t out of them with a financial threat Because the employees have the power Not the company They just need to work together to get better treatment
Good luck when your financial stability is on the line. Developer jobs, especially ones with competitive pay, are in high demand and you are very much replaceable. There's a lot more nuance than "well if it were me I would just stand up to them!"
Employees have the power? LOL If you are an exceptional expert at your job, maybe you have some power as the company really needs you. Everybody else is expendable tho, because there is always somebody desperately looking for a job. And if you try to use your power, you're a trouble maker and no company likes those. Maybe if all employees banded together .... but that's just wishful thinking.
0:56 - Discord's Reply: "Mental health days are covered under our flexible sick leave policy, so we hope you'll utilize this when you need some space." AKA: "Hey we hope you itilize this so we can find out who you are!!!" Which is a form of further entrapment and guilt-tripping for needing time off. Disgusting.
2:10 Unlimited sick days/ vacation days are typically done by companies to avoid paying for them at the end of the year or when a employee leaves the company. It also is more a of a formality for on-call employees, my brother for example is always on-call so no matter if it's a holiday, sick day, or a vacation, if something happens, he has to spend his time fixing it.
I interned at a Fortune 500 company doing software development. The culture was so great compared to what I’m hearing about discord, especially in regards to being able to give opinions and feedback on the products. Even as a lowly intern the higher ups and vps would always want to hear our ideas and feedback.
I hope one day employees wire themselves and expose companies like this just to force them to change. Suck and tired of companies lying out their asses to avoid responsibility.
2:08 - From what I've heard from a friend who also has this benefit at their work... But the benefit itself seems great until you have coworkers that you work with in your team take advantage of it, causing more work for you and makes it difficult if they are required. So yeah, they probably have this as a con due to it causing burnout as mentioned earlier.
@@homelessrobot I disagree harshly with this. Unlimited sick days should be the norm. If colleagues come in sick they probably won't perform as good as normal. Then others will have to make up for them either way. Even better when they infect others as well. Then you have more people sick plus those that are sick will be sick for longer. If someone is sick they should stay at home, if they aren't they can come to work. Setting a set amount of sick days doesn't magically make people healthier.
@@klausklebbi3772 this incorrectly supposes that the primary use of sick days is recovering from genuine illness. This can be the case if you have a limited number of sick days, and have to actually prioritize their usage for when you cannot avoid taking them. However, generally people who have no shortage of sick days will take them just to get away from work. If someone is sick they should definitely stay home. But outside of some window of 'presumptive' sick days, sick leave should require a doctors note at least. Especially in a relatively high stress work environment. Once you reach a certain threshold of 'sick teamates', the whole damn team is sick and might as well stay home. I am sure there are some organizations within which you don't need to consider the usage of sick days as defensively. But I think they are relatively rare.
thanks, this is actually really insightful into the company. Hopefully they will start to get better after this becomes a general concern for Discord users
Unlimited sick days or unlimited PTO can be a Con because generally in the tech world that means you need to ask your boss each time and they can deny it, there is no set amount you are entitled to so generally people end up taking less than if there was a number given to them. Of course it can be good if you have a lenient boss who approves your time off requests, but it completely depends on your boss. So if you get a shitty one that denies your requests all the time it's bad.
"Unlimited" sick and even vacation days are negative because the company plans to never approve your requests for time off. Managers are basically incentivized to keep the number of days used to a minimum. A fixed number of days is slightly harder for a company to fight against.
My experience with Discord was good for almost 8 years, then they without explanation banned and deleted my account. No email with a reason, no response from support, and the only thing I learned is that their Trust and Safety team don't know why I was disabled, but they enforced the punishment anyway. I actively fought for 30 days to get a response, and all I got was "You either broke the ToS or the Community Guidelines". Which in my eyes mean that they don't know why the system flagged me, and they don't care. I am still trying to understand what they claim I did. Why would I wake up one day and think "Lets destroy this account that is almost as old as Discord, where I have all my friends and servers"? I don't even know if my account was compromised or not, and if it was, that apparently doesn't matter. The feedback forum is almost daily seeing new threads with similar stories, users that are banned without knowing why, or getting banned because someone report them as underage even though they aren't. It isn't surprising that some of the employees feel the workplace is horrible. It is probably not very fun to be on the receiving end of angry users. I for one hope Discord is kicked down several pegs so they have to actually care about the users.
I got falsely banned from discord and they just send a automatic reply. It’s funny how they pretend they care even though they don’t. At this point we should find a new platform.
I was enjoying the video until I realized that my attention span has reached its maximum of 4 minutes and 55 seconds, had to close out of the video and pull up subway surfers to keep myself entertained. Good work, not enough subway surfers.
Someone who works for a living here. Unlimited sick days / vacation days can in fact be a massive downside to a job, because they might say that the days are unlimited but you need manager approval to actually use any of them, so if such a system exists many people end up being able to take less time off than if they had a specific amount of sick leave / vacation days.
If theyre truly hiding layoffs, especially in California, thats 100% illegal. Try checking out the WARN database, which companies are legally obliged to report layoffs to 60 days before they occur. There is a minimum size for reporting, so unless they're skirting the edge of the requirements that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
In that one fake review's defense, "unlimited sick days" often means "there's no cap, but if you take too many - i.e. one - we're gonna give you the stink eye and start finding excuses to discipline or fire you"
Honestly as poor a workplace Discord seems, I can understand "Unlimited sick days" being a con. Imagine you get assigned a project you REALLY don't wanna work on, so you take a sick week, get paid, and proceed to come back to a seething group of developers who know fucking EXACTLY what you did.
You know that people actually underuse sick leave right? The only people that would do this are already hated by other employees because they're higher ups and sociopaths.
Thing is it's probably not engineers in the worst situation there either and unable to leave, unless they hugely over leveraged themselves (which, financial services are legally not allowed to let someone do? But that's a different problem), they can very quickly get a solid position somewhere else for maybe only 5-10% less. Almost all the rest of the non management staff will be having a really really bad time.
Holy buzzwords in those positive reviews. If only upper management cared about their employees as much as they cared about putting the most basic stuff behind Nitro.
Good video and very interesting about Discord what a shit company to work for. One thing though, IC means individual contributor (as in they're not a manager).
"cannot afford to leave" is either a lie or these employees are incredibly wasteful with their money. $190k+ (anything above 175k puts them ALL above the top 10% of earners in the entire US) is minimum 3x more than the average salary and there are tens of millions of people living below the average salary, these people should in no way be struggling with their money and if they are, it is entirely their own faults. 190k a year is enough to comfortably support my family (3 people) for atleast 2 years
honestly, i feel bad for the people who work/worked at discord. From a person who worked at different places because of stuff, being a wage slave is not fun at all.
This is going to sound messed up but hear it out. With this kind of environment, can you imagine an employee getting so frustrated that they're getting treated like garbage; Not only them but their friends/colleagues, that the employee will end up committing bloodshed (possibly fatal) against the managers/higher-ups for positive change? Yeah it sounds insane but it's a possibility that can unfortunately happen nowadays.
2:08 - Having unlimited sick days be a con is actually likely to be that when you have a limited amount of sickdays, you know you're entitled to take all of those, but when you have unlimited, it's much more subjective, and likely that HR will reprimand you/pass you over for a promotion/bonus/etc due to taking too many days off, even if the amount would be lower than what you'd take if you had been given a normal amount of sick days
Not everyone at Discord hates their job. Tons of people are in a good position with a good team. But there will be people that have very negative experiences as shown in the video.
Don't harass Discord Staff about whether or not they hate their job. It's annoying.
I love how discord higher ups have made this new, shiny mindset!
#YesmanMindset
life is never all this comfortable and shiny and convenient
you people cry too much on the Internet
don't like the job? fucking clench your balls, leave, and work your ass off somewhere else.
and i don't get this "can't afford to leave [the job]" expression. you want good money? be ready for burnouts and a ton of stress. can't take this stress? don't even apply for such job, you are not ready for it.
and all the above is the direct consequences of your beloved capitalism.
i like ur content, continue to do more
Please make other types of videos, almost all of them are about discord... I can't take it anymore 😭
i liked working at disco but quit to go along with my art career
Pro tip: HR is not your friend and nothing is ever confidential with them. Their role is to protect the company from you, not the other way around.
Treat them like a live grenagde: throw it at what you don't want to see anymore, not at your feet
THIS
they manage human resources like people are a commodity and are trying to get the most work with the least amount of pay
@angolaproductions2011 FOUND YOU AGAIN LMAOOO
HR made me hate men but add "wo" before the word "men".
"it would have been 4 stars a year ago" we can all relate to this for most companies.
all jokes aside this is accurate 😭
honestly i just hate how these idiot managers come into a company and made it mega corporate and destroy EVERYONE'S opinions on the company + the company itself
true true
I would agree to this except several years ago.
@@crafterrium8724google proposal about trying to drm the web,youtube blocking adblockers (which are practically required to not get viruses at this point,its not even funny anymore)are examples
You don't understand. With "burnout is our top priority" they mean that it is their top priority to burn out their employees
LMFAO (sorry)
You think looking for a solution is our priority.
We think making more people burnout is our priority.
We are not the same.jpg
lmao
I hate how everything is becoming mega corporate lately. Everything I once loved for not being managed by a soulless corporation is now starting to stop caring about literally everything other than maximizing their profits by all means possible
its almost like everything is becoming anti-consumer nowadays
Sadly at the beginning of a company's life its all just marketing, Jason Citron is a businessman
Cyberpunk beginning?
I love capitalism
@@drintrovert4564 More like anti-human...
Fun little worktips for everyone;
1. If they're always hiring, they're always firing.
2. HR is not there to protect you, they're there to protect the company.
3. Talking about your salaries to other co-workers ISN'T illegal, whenever a company says it's illegal, they're hiding shit.
4. You can quit without giving notice. ("Despite work etiquette and standards, no laws require employees to give any notice whatsoever - let alone two weeks - before quitting. While breached contracts may impact compensation or trigger a lawsuit, there aren't any legal protections for employers when employees decide to leave." ~ Business News Daily)
5. Always join a Work Union. Many corporations are going Anti-Union in order to exploit workers.
6. You are not built to work, your personal life comes first always.
7. Top 1 priority of a company is to make money for its owners.
@@asiamies9153you may even consider this the 0th point, as it’s the basis of the first 6
unions have grown to become a huge cancer, at least here in EU :)
Note: Most of these apply only to US
It's funny seeing Americans be scared talking about their salary.
So, even discord behind the scenes is like an average discord server. No wonder they don't see anything wrong with their platform.
xd
LMAO
I don't know any bad discord servers? I am a weeb, and all the anime or more niche things like Danmei (Chinese BL novels, I am bi and a fanboy) servers I've been in are super fun and positive!
Then again, I've only ever used it for DM's with friends, server for biggest Dutch anime convention animecon, some virtual convention's server, danmei server, etc. I don't know how any servers outside of fandom are. Or maybe I've just been lucky. But all the ones I am in are nice and positive and friendly with good vibes. So, I'll happily keep using it :3
Also because 99% of everyone at any con you go to will of course have discord or maybe insta as default social, and I like making friends and being able to keep talking to them after the convention LMAO
@@ukeyaoitrash2618big gaming discords have mods that say some really gay shit or smth but they ban ppl for existing
i got banned from the terraria discord for someone shit talking and i said "im autistic, so what?" and i got perma banned for hate speech
game discords are all shit places to be, have a arguement with someone? you get banned even if you didnt start it, just because you said "cunt" somewhere
someone inspect elemented me saying the N word and got me banned for racism from like 4 discords, i appealed and they just said no, even though i have proof that i NEVER talked to the guy and that guy sent me messages
@@ukeyaoitrash2618 Agree. I'm a fatfur, have interest in some old niche games and some other stuff that's not really too obvious. I have some good friends there and people I just really enjoy talking to every now and then. Almost all the servers I'm in are fairly positive and the platform is pretty great, though it obviously has it's bas sides, like really any other platform and there's things that sucks about it but like.. Other than that? Nah, Discord is pretty cool. Oh, maybe also outside of horribly outdated support thanks to which I lost an entire account locked up with 2FA without recovery codes BUT with all proof required that I own the account, like I know password, I have constant access to my email attached to the account, same with phone number, literally everything else like that. I'm suuree that's noothing though! It's not like they don't care at all! :D
People not allowed to give their opinion is probably one of the main reasons why we get bad updates
And why business need to be monitored and recorded. The only people that hate freedom of speech and opinion are higher ups and the rich elite.
true
That actually makes sense.
I remember when updates were nice and exciting (I even kept around that one server of mine that randomly got video chat enabled in it like 5 years ago or something) and discord was something I was proud to promote (this was before I started caring about free software & co, of course). Then they out of the blue banned my account, after I was a loyal and hardcore user who even reported bugs to them and suggested improvements! I now have to use discord for some things, but I use it exclusively on my phone on an alpha version from 2 years ago that still works damn, and doesn't have the horrible UI it got when I updated it once to see what was new; it's genuinely better than the newer versions while being ALPHA and years old (the only thing that sucks about it is I can't update my "About Me" because it's from before that functionality was added in, so I can see it and cringe at it but not change it. Also my status sometimes doesn't seem to actually load after opening the app sometimes, until I go to the status editor). I just hope I won't have to update when their horrible removal of discriminators finally comes around to me (pretty much my entire DM list at this point is lowercase#0000s, even accounts newer than mine, so I think I am excluded from the update as long as I don't log in on a newer client, until they manually force it to happen). Now I see their banning of wrongthink and all the other stupid things they're doing, and I gotta say, if you unironically use discord by choice in 2023, there's something wrong with you.
And they're still sitting there thinking the removal of discriminators is widely accepted by the userbase, as well as the stupid microphone button they somehow think was a smash hit of an idea. I've probably seen voice messages used like twice... we're all waiting to be able to remove it. But hey it's ok we have P2W reactions now, whoopee! I swear these ideas are created by 1 guy and it's final immediately.
6:11 Zach is actually the guy from almost every single old Discord commercial. He's the guy voicing all of them. If anyone was the "face of the brand", it should be him. Go look back at when he first quit and see the amount of people complaining that he's not in the ads anymore.
+1. It was always a blast watching them if he was in it.
Those old Discord ads, while they are old, seem TIMELESS. I miss that guy.
Discord started falling when zach stopped voicing the commercials
The more I look at it, the more the name "Discord" is fitting for this company.
Lmfao
For anyone not getting it, 'Discord' is another word for 'Chaos' or 'Disarray' to my knowledge.
Don't you just love wordplay?
@@Indigo_Indignation Thank you
The “growth mindset” approach is such a toxic and annoying thing for any group. I can’t imagine how bad it is over there at discord.
I don't agree. Having a growth mindset is exactly the opposite of what is described here: reviewing ideas together and constantly working on ways to improve. The word may get misused, but its primary meaning is good - constantly trying to improve.
@@arrlytrying to squeeze every last penny out of employees can be described as profit growth mindset, which is growth mindset and that fucking sucks.
@@arrly The concept itself is nice, but can be easily exploited. Any criticism or reporting of behavior can be twisted into you just not having a “growth mindset”.
@@Zappr You would be surprised how great these companies are often to work at. I've 100% found more corporate companies better than smaller companies, and often the bigger companies have the bigger growth mindset. Look at the glass door reviews for Meta, Google & Apple, they are seen as some of the best places to work. Just look at some of the 'Day in the life of Google employee videos' - it's insane.
@@3_pancakes767 But that is not what is happening here right. Basically all the reviews say that they love the pay. These companies often only hire the best of the best and they get compensated very well. They get much higher pay on average, this is because even though these massive corporations have over 100K employees, the proportion of the profits (salary) that go to the employees is still really small. Personally I love corporate jobs, more secure, better benefits & better pay.
> Everyone is burnt out and most of my IC colleagues scheduled 1:1s on the calendar specifically to spend time CRYING with each other. I personally experienced HAIR LOSS from the stress that was building up.
Holy...
dayum....
Is it that hard to find a job in America? Over here we're still growing and don't have enough workers.
@@drm.himself i don live in america and i never lived. but seeing the situation. i thik so.
@@drm.himself America is the extreme example of capitalism failing.
I'm in germany and it's not that bad here, but I don't know if it just takes longer for us to get to that point
@@mo-s-the problem is that USA has almost no restrictions with a lot of things
The unlimited sick time is a con because there’s no such thing as unlimited sick time. Instead it’s that the more sick time you take, the more they hold it against you. So in practice, at places with unlimited sick time, people take less of it, and managers form toxic attitudes around employee sick time.
100x this
Similarly with unlimited vacation time - it usually means "we haven't actually planned for how much vacation time people are going to take" and ends up meaning that if you take a week off from work, you'll need to spend the next two weeks working twice as hard to catch up.
You also can't get paid out for earned PTO under a system like that
@@fluffycritter Also, having no limit to PTO means there's no "use it or lose it" to consider hence people often just don't take any PTO in the first place. And you bet it's "unlimited" until you try and take what someone else considers too much. We'll see what happens then, shall we?
It's absolutely dumb and here in the UK it's been quietly and unceremoniously dumped by pretty much every organisation that tried it. it's not workable.
@@halfbakedproductions7887 unfortunately most states in the US also don't require employers to pay out accrued PTO when an employee leaves, so that's kind of a non-argument for the most part. Some employers are "kind" enough to pay it out anyway, though.
I'm sure someone pointed it out already. But actually unlimited sick days is a downside depending on the company. It's a psychological tool used by some companies to guilt trip employees into taking fewer sick days than they should. There is a proper way to do unlimited sick days, but for some reason I doubt discord is doing that
This is it, the sick days are NOT unlimited. You will be shamed for taking "too many" and eventually told you can't take any more.
So it's basically the "all you can eat" buffet approach
@@BrainletReviews But everyone stares at you everytime you fill your plate lol
@@D1mly oof
@@BrainletReviews and the waiter comes up behind you after every plate and reminds you that now there's less food for everyone else, you greedy bastard.
And then they kick you out after 3 refills
Let this be a lesson to services like this out there: DO NOT GO CORPORATE. You might as well incinerate all morality you have left in the fire if you take a fat check when a company wants your service.
Why do you think most companies go corporate? To expand and make more money or to sell out to a bigger company. They don't give a damn about morality.
The thing that worries me most about this toxic work culture is that it's very obviously leading to negative effects on Discord as a whole, like corporate-fueled changes that make no sense or feel highly unnecessary (i.e. the username change, the Trust & Safety team being useless in general).
It's effectively making the platform worse and it's making me wonder if there's another land of videogame and art servers I should consider jumping ship to in the next couple years.
TeamSpeak always exists...
Guilded
You can always switch to Matrix or IRC
matrix (element)
Guilded exists.
If being a server moderator was a nightmare, imagine actually being an employee of discord.
@Aama-ys8qn I'm just glad I quit discord a long time ago.
@@KaiBannon same
I was never a server mod lol cant relate
This has to be the most truthful and honest reviews I ever saw.
feeling great after discord banned my account for the wrong reason and after making a 200 word essay about exactaly what i was doing. i got a responce from a bot "we will not reinstate your account", to put is softly, I dislike discord for this reason, apperantly this happened to 5 people that were with me at the time and all got this reponce, the reason behind this is that we were working on a website and we were working out the registrar for the website and we kept posting phone numbers and ips in the chat all that belonged to servers that we own, and apperantly after testing things in vmware we got banned for "hacking", you yourself can test this theory by making a discord account and posting random ips and addresses and phone numbers and chat, and then report them to discord (you can't anymore because they removed the trust and safety option), you will get banned and you will never get your account back LIKE EVER!
discord doesnt care about the users and employees
@@SylverViper its sad, I had that account since 2018 and the past 2 years were the worst years on discord
I wouldn't recommend trying that out. Discord is also has history of automatically banning every other account that has logged in from the same IP/device, if they delete one.
@@Katanium I'm glad u told us about this
If you live in the EU you can request your data up to a certain point after the deletion in accordance with the GDPR.
This does explain a lot. Good reminder though, that whenever a product (or an update) gets forced through thats lukewarm or just plain bad, at a big company its almost always management’s fault for forcing it. The poor people stuck building the stupidity do not deserve your ire, they are literally just people.
Praying for all the employees and hope y'all find better days soon!
The funny thing is, you can tell when they hired FAANG managers, the entire platform vibe changed & these big sweeping changes started to be put in motion. HR is not your friend, in any company.
simple, discord wants to be in FAANG so they begin to function like them and hire people from FAANG to obtain the same result. It's a dream for FAANG managers, they're switching to a younger company, a name who hasn't got dirt on it yet, something hip and cool, and they'll keep applying the same method to generate profit, sacrificing their workforce for more benefit, as is the FAANG norm, just like doing extra hours and work on the weekend has become a norm
Note that most of the current employees have their name set to anonymous (except for the fake ones)
set to anonymous?? what??
@@MH_VOIDinstead of their name at the top it literally says "Anonymous review"
NTTS has that kind of voice that makes me feel comfortable
thats creepy ngl
it makes my tummy feel good
@@azel..... negawatt
Wait here are three (four?) answers RUclips. Not one.
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Considering how badly managed and out of touch they've been with the service itself over the years, this is hardly surprising.
Thank you for making this video, we need more videos spreading awareness of internally toxic companies
"Unlimited sick days" can be a negative, depending on how management handles it. When you have limited PTO, it accrues in a measurable amount that you can see on your pay stub every two weeks, and you tend to have less resistance to using it because you have actually earned it and have a "right" to it. And, when you leave the company, you can often get paid for any PTO you earned but didn't take. However, if you have "unlimited", it basically means you don't "earn" anything, and so you have no "right" to that time. Good management won't care as much how many days you take off if you're getting work done; bad management will track every day you ask for, require you to justify it with personal, none-of-their-business information to prove you "need" it, and deny it if you use "too much" (which could be less than you might have earned under a traditional system). And, of course, when you leave the company, they owe you nothing.
(Your mileage may vary; I've worked plenty of jobs where I've had no issues using "unlimited" PTO, and jobs where management was a nightmare getting access to accrued PTO.)
my dad's job recently switched to an unlimited sick days policy and he was annoyed with the policy change.. as someone who knows nothing about business and all that stuff i was confused on why my dad was upset with the whole change.. but now i know why lol
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Man, I can’t thank you for saving my career choices, I was so close to joining discords company to work there, but thank you for doing to big boi research.
Basically, look at the politics of the company. I hate to say it, but if they offer any "gender affirming care" or anything LGBT related then it's going to be a toxic unhealthy cesspit to work at and will 100% run you into the ground. I have been in IT for a long time, and the best jobs I've had were ones that did not partake in the political virtue signaling.
@@antikommunistischaktion like most companies
@antikommunistischaktion what does being lgbt have to do with this wtf they just wanna help workers who are in need...
@@Itsjustayrs Except companies with that virtue signaling active never actually help workers in need; case in point literally this video and the subject of it. It's just a draw that they use to exploit you even more. If you can't see through the virtue signal BS I can't help you.
@@antikommunistischaktion Yeah I have a feeling that we have very different political opinions but I've got to agree here, only providing those benefits to trans employees is a huge red flag, if you only support minorities when it's popular to do so then you aren't an inclusive employer, you're just virtue signalling.
Like what benefits do they have for other groups that are often discriminated against when they're looking for work? Do older, pregnant or disabled people also get benefits when it comes to healthcare? Do parents, especially single parents, get any extra considerations? Probably not lol.
I applied for a software engineering job at Discord at some point. Guess I'm glad I never got in.
Thank god youre not in
you dodged a missile
@@personwhodoesthings3075 antimatter bomb*
@@antikommunistischaktion my mom*
@@personwhodoesthings3075 no, he dodged a nuke
3:20 "Seems to be no light at the end of the tunnel"
That is such a brutal title.
Makes sense, discord as a company is just a massive discord server where the admins have egos the size of the Sun and will ban anyone who doesn't cave to their demands
IC is individual contributor, not contractor. It means anyone who's not a manager.
If we can't directly fix it, the best we can do is make it more tolerable. Everyone, whenever you are in contact with the discord team, like customer support, please leave nice messages for them. Its a little bit of effort, but it goes a long way. Lets put smiles on these faces in places where all they want to do is cry. Let's be the light of this anti-life world.
Every little bit of kindness helps
Cringe
@@UrMom-qf6dbbro your name is urmom, you cant say anything is cringe
@@permacoo3760 i know im sorry we all cringe is unavoidable but i didn't say the commenter wrong tho
Au contraire, send them rude messages to try to get all of them to quit! Help the evil company collapse!
Now guys, with this explained, keep in mind discord is no more than just another social media.
You'll never know when or if discord will get a "Twitter ---> X" treatment.
Discord can get better, it can also get way worse.
If you've made any special connection with someone, if you've made good friends on the platform, make sure to have a way of contacting them outside of it.
Imagine if Discord just became D
@@JewelWildmoonDeez nuts
im gay but nobody will know because this will get lost within the forest of comments
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Sounds like good internship opportunities. I can't wait to book one on ones to cry with my fellow employees. Great bonding potential.
4:07 Interesting about the "doesn't know how to use periods" thing. The dude saying "unlimited sick days" that you highlighted earlier had the same problem.
For people who haven't worked at FANNG, it's at least 10x more toxic than the current Discord.
The managers who came over from FANNG? Those are just the tip of the iceberg.
The best managers will take your work and present it as "our" work. The good managers will leave you alone and only ping you when things are on fire.
The bad managers, who just got wiped out in the layoffs, are the ones who boss around wasting everyone's time.
I bet when discord sees this they wont be happy that someone is finally shedding some light on this.
Feels bad for actual passionate workers
3:08
If my boss told me this i would scare the sh*t out of them with a financial threat
Because the employees have the power
Not the company
They just need to work together to get better treatment
Good luck when your financial stability is on the line. Developer jobs, especially ones with competitive pay, are in high demand and you are very much replaceable. There's a lot more nuance than "well if it were me I would just stand up to them!"
@@zbrodie not if everyone knows how it is like to work there
If it gets on the news and all of social media and court then discord is boned
Employees have the power? LOL
If you are an exceptional expert at your job, maybe you have some power as the company really needs you. Everybody else is expendable tho, because there is always somebody desperately looking for a job. And if you try to use your power, you're a trouble maker and no company likes those.
Maybe if all employees banded together .... but that's just wishful thinking.
@@fonesrphunny7242 discord is making their employees cry
I think it wouldn't be too hard
Unionize
Bruh I was watching discords "35 reasons to work at discord" and got this recommended for me
0:56 - Discord's Reply: "Mental health days are covered under our flexible sick leave policy, so we hope you'll utilize this when you need some space."
AKA: "Hey we hope you itilize this so we can find out who you are!!!" Which is a form of further entrapment and guilt-tripping for needing time off.
Disgusting.
2:10 Unlimited sick days/ vacation days are typically done by companies to avoid paying for them at the end of the year or when a employee leaves the company. It also is more a of a formality for on-call employees, my brother for example is always on-call so no matter if it's a holiday, sick day, or a vacation, if something happens, he has to spend his time fixing it.
I interned at a Fortune 500 company doing software development. The culture was so great compared to what I’m hearing about discord, especially in regards to being able to give opinions and feedback on the products. Even as a lowly intern the higher ups and vps would always want to hear our ideas and feedback.
wow,i kinda wanted to work at discord when i was older,thanks for making this video. Never working there when im an adult.
I had a target of working at Discord, but after watching this video, I've changed my mind.
That 'bye bye, I love you, muah' at the end made me smile and like the video. Thank you.
Wow! The companies who apparently care the most about their employees actually give the least shits! Who could’ve guessed! 😂
The more you virtue signal the more you have to hide.
I hope one day employees wire themselves and expose companies like this just to force them to change. Suck and tired of companies lying out their asses to avoid responsibility.
These big companys aren't your friends
2:08 - From what I've heard from a friend who also has this benefit at their work... But the benefit itself seems great until you have coworkers that you work with in your team take advantage of it, causing more work for you and makes it difficult if they are required. So yeah, they probably have this as a con due to it causing burnout as mentioned earlier.
yeah it seems like a net negative for everyone involved.
@@homelessrobot I disagree harshly with this. Unlimited sick days should be the norm. If colleagues come in sick they probably won't perform as good as normal. Then others will have to make up for them either way. Even better when they infect others as well. Then you have more people sick plus those that are sick will be sick for longer. If someone is sick they should stay at home, if they aren't they can come to work. Setting a set amount of sick days doesn't magically make people healthier.
@@klausklebbi3772 this incorrectly supposes that the primary use of sick days is recovering from genuine illness. This can be the case if you have a limited number of sick days, and have to actually prioritize their usage for when you cannot avoid taking them. However, generally people who have no shortage of sick days will take them just to get away from work.
If someone is sick they should definitely stay home. But outside of some window of 'presumptive' sick days, sick leave should require a doctors note at least.
Especially in a relatively high stress work environment. Once you reach a certain threshold of 'sick teamates', the whole damn team is sick and might as well stay home.
I am sure there are some organizations within which you don't need to consider the usage of sick days as defensively. But I think they are relatively rare.
Their own Human Resources team not being reliable totally adds up to Trust and Safety not being reliable.
thanks, this is actually really insightful into the company. Hopefully they will start to get better after this becomes a general concern for Discord users
Unlimited sick days or unlimited PTO can be a Con because generally in the tech world that means you need to ask your boss each time and they can deny it, there is no set amount you are entitled to so generally people end up taking less than if there was a number given to them. Of course it can be good if you have a lenient boss who approves your time off requests, but it completely depends on your boss. So if you get a shitty one that denies your requests all the time it's bad.
i was actually considering working for discord a while ago. i'm glad i found this video. it saved me so many braincells.
I wonder what would happen if employees tried to form a union
You know exactly what would happen
Probably stuff worse than what Starbucks is doing to their union attempts
They'd commit suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head 37 times
@@eneco3965 Don't forget several blunt injuries to the head and lacerations on all major arteries, all while the cameras were mysteriously turned off
Some dumb republicans would say that's communism or whatever
2:49 "faang, which means facebook, amazon, apple, netflix, google. It's and acronym!" xD God bless you! :D
Even worse than i though, toxicity is everywhere...
Literally watched this after the "35 reasons to work at discord".
They talk
But they do nothing
They're hiring people to write positive reviews
Instead of actually getting better
RIP discord
Does the site have the ability to report these kinds of reviews? If not then a new review site is needed.
Shills are certainly very common
NTTS just throwing the BIGGEST BANGERS at us
"Unlimited" sick and even vacation days are negative because the company plans to never approve your requests for time off. Managers are basically incentivized to keep the number of days used to a minimum. A fixed number of days is slightly harder for a company to fight against.
8 minutes until the quip about engagement, idk man you seem pretty entertaining to me. editing and gags on point & easy on the eyes.
My experience with Discord was good for almost 8 years, then they without explanation banned and deleted my account. No email with a reason, no response from support, and the only thing I learned is that their Trust and Safety team don't know why I was disabled, but they enforced the punishment anyway. I actively fought for 30 days to get a response, and all I got was "You either broke the ToS or the Community Guidelines". Which in my eyes mean that they don't know why the system flagged me, and they don't care.
I am still trying to understand what they claim I did. Why would I wake up one day and think "Lets destroy this account that is almost as old as Discord, where I have all my friends and servers"? I don't even know if my account was compromised or not, and if it was, that apparently doesn't matter. The feedback forum is almost daily seeing new threads with similar stories, users that are banned without knowing why, or getting banned because someone report them as underage even though they aren't.
It isn't surprising that some of the employees feel the workplace is horrible. It is probably not very fun to be on the receiving end of angry users. I for one hope Discord is kicked down several pegs so they have to actually care about the users.
Great vid. I love how you stay on top of topics like this. Keep it up.
I got falsely banned from discord and they just send a automatic reply. It’s funny how they pretend they care even though they don’t. At this point we should find a new platform.
I was enjoying the video until I realized that my attention span has reached its maximum of 4 minutes and 55 seconds, had to close out of the video and pull up subway surfers to keep myself entertained. Good work, not enough subway surfers.
I genuinely love the product I've gotten more social and open but I feel bad for everyone working there
Someone who works for a living here. Unlimited sick days / vacation days can in fact be a massive downside to a job, because they might say that the days are unlimited but you need manager approval to actually use any of them, so if such a system exists many people end up being able to take less time off than if they had a specific amount of sick leave / vacation days.
This sounds like my last job in a call center. For the exact same reasons.
this video is so driven from hate. good job.
Discord staff getting the communication we get from discord support
I used to think just the platform itself is really toxic but I guess _even_ the company itself is toxic, wow...
I feel really bad for the discord employees. I hope it gets better for them
If theyre truly hiding layoffs, especially in California, thats 100% illegal. Try checking out the WARN database, which companies are legally obliged to report layoffs to 60 days before they occur. There is a minimum size for reporting, so unless they're skirting the edge of the requirements that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
the people who dislike are probably the discord higher ups
In that one fake review's defense, "unlimited sick days" often means "there's no cap, but if you take too many - i.e. one - we're gonna give you the stink eye and start finding excuses to discipline or fire you"
Well, it's called DISCORD, y'know?..........
🤯
Watched this, and before it, got an ad for Glassdoor.
I'm surprised the discord team have not gone on strike
If you don't have a union that's probably hard
Idk if they have one, but it seems like it's not that powerful
Honestly as poor a workplace Discord seems, I can understand "Unlimited sick days" being a con. Imagine you get assigned a project you REALLY don't wanna work on, so you take a sick week, get paid, and proceed to come back to a seething group of developers who know fucking EXACTLY what you did.
You know that people actually underuse sick leave right? The only people that would do this are already hated by other employees because they're higher ups and sociopaths.
I feel bad for them. Being a software engineer was never worse.
Thing is it's probably not engineers in the worst situation there either and unable to leave, unless they hugely over leveraged themselves (which, financial services are legally not allowed to let someone do? But that's a different problem), they can very quickly get a solid position somewhere else for maybe only 5-10% less. Almost all the rest of the non management staff will be having a really really bad time.
SCHEDULING JUST TO CRY WITH ONE ANOTHER! HOLY!
Holy buzzwords in those positive reviews. If only upper management cared about their employees as much as they cared about putting the most basic stuff behind Nitro.
Good video and very interesting about Discord what a shit company to work for. One thing though, IC means individual contributor (as in they're not a manager).
Petition for NTTS to _dictate_ I mean be the new CEO of Discord
Wait you do have a point, CEOS are just mini kings / dictators of their little companies / kingdoms
So discord higher ups are exactly like Discord Mods but with money and most probably families.
Hey, I was a good mod.
"cannot afford to leave" is either a lie or these employees are incredibly wasteful with their money. $190k+ (anything above 175k puts them ALL above the top 10% of earners in the entire US) is minimum 3x more than the average salary and there are tens of millions of people living below the average salary, these people should in no way be struggling with their money and if they are, it is entirely their own faults. 190k a year is enough to comfortably support my family (3 people) for atleast 2 years
pro tip.. dont come to work.. none of you.. tell the boss that you will not work (not a single one of you) untill they get theyre shit toghether
honestly, i feel bad for the people who work/worked at discord.
From a person who worked at different places because of stuff, being a wage slave is not fun at all.
This is going to sound messed up but hear it out.
With this kind of environment, can you imagine an employee getting so frustrated that they're getting treated like garbage; Not only them but their friends/colleagues, that the employee will end up committing bloodshed (possibly fatal) against the managers/higher-ups for positive change?
Yeah it sounds insane but it's a possibility that can unfortunately happen nowadays.
I'm a Discord Partner and most of the staff connected to that program are all gone now... (Fired)
It's sad
2:08 - Having unlimited sick days be a con is actually likely to be that when you have a limited amount of sickdays, you know you're entitled to take all of those, but when you have unlimited, it's much more subjective, and likely that HR will reprimand you/pass you over for a promotion/bonus/etc due to taking too many days off, even if the amount would be lower than what you'd take if you had been given a normal amount of sick days
Bruh sounds like HQ is in itself a discord server lmao. Except for the constant horniness but we'll have to wait for those allegations.
LOL yooooooooooo that HR thing, yeah thats everywhere.
HR is there to protect the company, not you.
some manager defo put 'unlimited sick days' as a con
ay yo you read my review. damn I didn't think you'd venture to the glassdoor.
Gives me motivation to work with Discord now 🤓
yes 🤓lets work at discord!!
Gives me motivation to hack the "boom" button in the Discord HQ
Currently having a panic and anxiety attack and your video for suggested to me before I searched your channel hopefully this distracts and helps me 😅😢
I would like you to please clarify that anyone can post on glassdoor. They don't verify that you did actually work there.
Man, the lack of workers rights and employee protections in the US is appalling...